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PM_me_nicetits 8y ago
Moving to a new city. Right next to the downtown area. Building a circle from scratch at 30. I work graveyard 1am-10am during the week.
lambocinnialfredo 8y ago
Just got out of a 5 year LTR. Out of practice so looking for advice/comments:
Last night my friend and I met up with a coworker of his and her friend. My friend goes up and starts talking to the friend so I’m talking to his co worker. We had met before and had some chemistry but she was semi standoffish last night. Closed off what have you
Then friend goes and gets a drink at the bar and offers me one. I accept and he asks me to come with him, I assumed for help carrying drinks. Then he keeps talking to me at the bar and I didn’t realize till afterwards but he was terrified of talking to the girl he had feelings for. It was already later in the night (as he had played bar tag with them idk why) so when we went back we couldn’t find them.
Basically, what started promising ended up super awkward. I want to get back with her in a different situation and connect better but I’m not sure the next move. I do have her number from the first time.
My thought is to just pretend nothing was weird, assume she was standoffish because she was nervous, and text her today either something flirty along the lines of “was fun talking to you for 2 minutes last night” or just a text trying to hang out one on one somewhere nicer.
ambientwhisper123 8y ago
I likely know the answer to this but I'd like it confirmed to shake off the last of that 'I don't want to offend/be a creep shame conditioning thing'
I was having a massage in Vietnam, a reputable one not the happy ending kind. And the girl was giggling like a school girl at everything I said. Called me handsome man (unconscious blurting out the truth) in broken English and there was a bunch of excess touching (I get she's a masseuse, just trust me) she was really, really into me.
I tried my best flirting back, there was resistance in my mind at each stage but I was calm and tried to experience it fully to gauge where I'm at with this thing. The most I was able to work up to other than verbal flirting was grabbing her hand and comparing it to mine, this escalation was also met positively, they have freakishly small hands.
If I'm not painting the scene effectively you may have to just assume that it was on the table, I'd never consider something that ballsy without clear signage. Basically I felt like if I took the chance, I could have fucked her there and then. Or if the logistics wouldn't have worked for that then at least some more intimate touching. I could have grabbed her to kiss her or/then placed her hand on my dick if that went well.
Thoughts? I know because of the red pill that she was sending out extreme iois, and that she wanted it. But something was stopping me even though I knew It'd likely be successful. I don't think it was fear of rejection unless it's quite buried from my consciousness. More didn't want to be inappropriate...even though with what I know now that it would have been appropriate given the signs. The concept of 'you're the man, you need to escalate and take action for things to progress' thing hasn't settled fully.
Context: (not a humble brag) very attractive guy with a bit of a shitty past so don't yet have the confidence that brings. I understand that what I was thinking was a hell of a power play but I'm trying to settle into myself. I feel as if with the attention I get I can get away with things like that, it just hasn't clicked into place yet that I can and that's what I'm trying to achieve. It seems more uncommon for a girl to not check me out than otherwise.
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Greekwl 8y ago
New rp student here.Long story short,my main issue with women is that unless I find them interesting,which I rarely do,I cannot keep up a conversation for the life of me.I had some great long term relationships,but I have a huge problem getting casually laid.Any book or post recommendation with simple 1-2-3 steps on that would be appreciated
Thanks in advance
2shark8 8y ago
22-year old here. Taking the pill for about 2 years now, since the break up with my first real gf. Had some ons since then, but none of them really mattered. Anyways im having this issue, of wanting really bad to fuck girls, but at the same time hating that same fact. I also stoped mastrubating a year ago, and didnt have sex since last july. So that makes matters much worse. Anyways, my problem is that i want to fuck everything that moves, and then once the opurtunity presents itself and girls give me clear iois i just tell myself to not fuck her and reject her, because im affraid shes gonna reject me anyway. I know its hard to understand but its starting to really fuck up my life. I try to make my work and lifting and money my priority. The girls come secondary, but the urge to fuck is really strong lol. Also im introverted and never make a real attempt to hit on girls, but they like me anyways. I have some girls who are dtf right now a 6 and 7-ish, but i dont want to kinda do that to myself, like i want the best, not someone who chases me, get it? I think the dry spell really fucked me up, and the last time i had sex i had to stop because my head was fucking with me, didnt even cum..i dont really understand my problem, but im curious if anyone had anything similar?
takethedive 8y ago
If you really are the best, everyone will chase you.
If that happened, would anyone ever be good enough? The thirsty 10s? What makes them different from the thirsty 7s?
Better a 7 who's head over heels for you and can't get you out of her head than a 10 who's disengaged, unavailable, or otherwise distanced from you, even though you seem to believe that this would make you want her more.
And for the record... The only numbers that matter are 1 (would bang) or 0 (would not bang). Anything else is just ego stroking.
2shark8 8y ago
You have a point. Thank you.
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mancityforlife21 8y ago
I went to meet a friend at this high end restaurant in a 5 star hotel, saw some 8/9s hitting on old pilots at the bar. It made me mentally puke and I kept feeling angry until I read the post about different stages of redpill and realised I'm stuck on stage 2.5 (anger before swallowing the pill)!
How did you swallow the pill and positively direct this anger?
cave_in_ 8y ago
Yesterday made a little party in my flat as I have new flatmate, who is my good friend. But this is our only second or third party together. He (25 y.o.) invited some girls, about 7, some boys and I (22 y.o.) some boys and 2 girls. But the meritum is - he is average looking, short and shy, even in this party i had to do some things like calming down people cause he was too shy. And he ended up with two girls literally falling on him - ended with one on the bed, as it is morning i dont know how it was. But this is impressive and it lets me down cause we have familiar game and I am taller and was clothed better, but even with it, any IOI’s from women and their sexual sign of interest when hitting them up, and he ends party getting laid. What the fuck i am doing wrong?
blearx 8y ago
Not sure how to exactly phrase this. I feel kinda sad at this point. Every girl I had somewhat of a connection with (gf, just friends, etc.) It all just ends up with arguing and eventually break up. I want to know what im doing wrong. Can someone help me out or coach me through texting game? I feel really hopeless. Chee
MusicSports 8y ago
I've noticed that lots of girls hang around girls similar or exactly the same to each other. If a girl hangs with fat chicks she eventually becomes a fat chick, girls with certain attitudes etc. Like as if they would disagree on anything they wouldn't spend any time together.
Can someone help me on this thought. Become friends with a girl you don't mind being around with a body you really like, and meet and fuck her friends. Can someone let me know what they think of this? I could see it backfiring but if you friendzone her first and your value is high enough, I don't see how this wouldn't be great access to a group of girls with body types that you like. Playing devil's advocate to myself I figure it'd be easier to find an activity you like that gets girls with the body type you're interested in going to it and just become the best at that.
DrownRanger47 8y ago
How can I overcome laziness?
lovs2spuge 8y ago
I am a new guy attempting to swallow TRP and like you, I struggle with laziness. However, today I am renewing my gym membership after not going for ~2 months. What helped me is constant, positive, self-reassurance and the strong desire that I NEED to improve my life.
Also, having discipline is absolutely imperative.
"Doing something you don't want to do, when you don't want to do it."
When I was going to the gym, there were days I would feel sore or tired and skip out. This time around, I will not make that mistake.
Once I get into a routine and develop a system, hopefully this sheer power of will will translate into other areas. Hopefully it will for you as well.
DrownRanger47 8y ago
Thanks for the tips and good luck in your journey of self-improvement!
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ambientwhisper123 8y ago
Sheer force of will. First you consciously choose to be productive whenever you would otherwise choose to be lazy. Then you start to create a groove/habit for being productive rather than being lazy.
There is always choice that happens in your mind to be lazy, you just may not notice it at the moment.
Also motivation is a lie, you need to always choose to do what needs to be done. It isn't always automatic.
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Is there a set of principles for this subgroup and your ideas about life? I'm 23 and I'm coming to a conclusion now that the majority of humans are selfish, ignorant creatures. I joined different sporting clubs in an attempt to.be a part of a group and better myself, but even there none of the guys gave a shit about getting to.Know me or.hang out despite my attempts to know them. They were just motivated by there own personal glory.
Anyone got some general points to.share with me?
Xion-Rhonin 8y ago
22yo still swallowing the pill. Switched up everything when I started. Lift 4 days on 1 day off with huge improvement of my mood, work life and social life. Watch a bunch of RSD videos, avidly checking the thread. Always been an extrovert so approach works for me. I just can't close, early in nights going out I speak to groups make a bunch of new "friends" but when I know she's interested I still can't close. I feel that it's I'm to pushy or sometimes to hesitant. How can I secure the close?
Also looking for some book recommendations.
Ccarlial 8y ago
I am neither shy nor anxious, but when i speak to people i don't know i draw a blank on what to say. I am pretty much anti-social, and I generally feel a lack of interest in what most people say, unless it is directly related to my passions. I usually only put effort into relationships that directly or indirectly benefit me, and don't find much enjoyment in conversations. Does anyone have suggestions on building conversational skills. I have already read the books on the side bar.
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mironm 8y ago
Met a girl at an event, she has a boyfriend. He seemed insecure, always kissing her and I got impression he irritates her.
We went out twice, second time at her place, she cooked me a dinner. I didn't do kino since she intentionally kept a space between us, but in the end I tried to kiss her, got rejected.
She seems to have more male friends, as a beta orbiters, I guess. I think she really wants me only as a friend as well and actually I am fine with that, because I had a good time and could train communication.
So I am thinking of befriending her (if she would want to meet again, after my move), because I could benefit from it having more social interactions and I am not in love with her or something I just needed to try, to not feel bad for not trying.
Is it a good idea to befriend her?
I had always opinion there are no male - female friendships and think it is a general opinion here, but I think I would really benefit from having her as a friend and if I would have some strong feelings towards her I would for sure break a contact with her.
Ananonguy88 8y ago
I have a plate. I acquired her by cucking a guy from my workplace, she worked there too. Yep, I'm changing job in next month, so I kinda have it under control. Lately she left the guy and moved alone into a flat (she wanted to move into my place, but I said fuck no). I assumed from the start that she is a hypergamous hoe I did not expect exclusivity from her. Also I'm not the first one she cheated on with, but she became obsessed with me enough to leave the guy in my case. Chemistry was amazing, she's was willing to fuck, I had semi-controlled oneitis for her. I introduced her to my circle of friends. She's this kind of slutty girl so she would talk openly about propositions of swinging with a couple of my friends, or getting into a threesome with my best pal. I never tried such stuff so I was like "well, maybe, we will se how this turns out". I was talking with my pal about that and he was also semi ok with it but not sure. One night she tried to blackmail me when we were out together saying "I'm not coming to your place tonight without him" which I responded something like "then fuck off, go home", because this was simple blackmail shit test. I could go for threesome but not the way that would make me look like a submissive bitch. The problem occurred when there was only me and the pal in a pub and we invited her to talk and chill with us. She started hitting on him openly, completely ignoring and disregarding me. Immediately I chilled and distanced myself which resulted in them both flirting and ignoring me as I held little chance to participate into their convo. I held frame nevertheless and distanced myself for the rest of the evening even when she noticed my discontent and tried to get touchy with me. In the end we all came back through subway, I asked her if she wants me to walk her home which she refused. At that point I had IDGAF attitude and told my bro to walk her home then because it was late at night and he lived closer to her station. I won't protect low value pussy from a pal, I let them go. Not much longer he texted me that she tried to invite him into her flat but he refused because bros before hoes. He had no reason to lie because I already told him that at this point IDGAF as one should demote the bitch for such behavior and go next. Bro and respect points nevertheless. So now she is reaching out to me again, as I started limiting contact. I confronted her that hitting on my pal in my presence and trying to fuck him while sending me home was shit move and we will be just friends from this point, but she went really emotional and still keeps nagging, texting and calling me. We even had sex 2 times after this but it was not as great as before.
The problem is that she is still needy towards me, and down to fuck (she also wants to fuck the pal tho and probably over 9000 different men too), but she is disrespecting me and I'm not sure If I should turn a blind eye on that for exchange for pussy. I also no longer feel this cool chemistry and thirst for experimenting as she basically cannot perform it without putting me in a role of a bitch cuck.
Basically, am I insecure and unreasonably jealous/easily offended expressing scarcity mentality and fear of polygamy and adventure, or am I avoiding becoming a fucking cuck organizing dates for her with my own pals she will fuck then behind my back. But what did I expect from the start as I knew she's a hoe. Maybe someone can set my mind straight in this mess.
takethedive 8y ago
Your intuition is well founded.
She's a waste of time. You shouldn't have fucked her again. Cut off contact and don't fuck her anymore.
"Never dig through the trash once you've taken it to the curb. It's noisy, all the neighbours see you do it, and what you threw out is never as valuable as you thought it was."
Ananonguy88 8y ago
Thanks for reassuring this. That's what I needed from a third person view.
Oxspit 8y ago
Is this thread still alive? If so, I have a question on the fitness field.
I have seen Jeff Cavalier speaking about how Bulking and Cutting is a myth, and it makes sense (evolutionary even), but I've been told it's bullshit. If somebody can tell me what their experiences on this are, please let me know of them; thanks in advance!
spnger4life 8y ago
I am afraid of people pointing out or noticing my pursuit of women. I am a little embarassed about people around me finding out I am dating. I feel like if they find out theyd want to meet her or ask questions which Id rather not answer. For now I tell people Im not dating, but even around family Id rather have them not know so much. It seems irrational to hide it but I cant help but feel like I have to. How do I get rid of the embarassment feeling?
RotBoy 8y ago
How do I amass respect and command in my friend group? I've been a super bluepill bitch up until a month or two ago when I was shown this subreddit. Im not sure if Im doing it wrong or if my friends are just reacting negatively to my changes, but I keep getting a lot of shit and getting in arguments, usually where 13 people gang up on me in a groupchat and overwhelm me.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
Crabs in a bucket will try to pull you down. And perhaps stop trying to win arguments. Never complain. Never explain. Never apologise.
thebyrdedone5084 8y ago
Im a 23 yo grad student at a 14000 sized college in the south. Im 6' 2" black and chubby but played offensive line all through highschool so frame os that of a big guy more than fat. Facial hair makes me look 30 if its a goatee or 25 in a moustache. I can be imposing until i open my mouth and talking to females of all races isnt a problem. I have more free time this semester and want to start gaming girls here. Is the my age gonna be a problem with 18-22 yo college girla or should I try to hit up locals at the local bar scene? Im starting to apply rp principles and dress better also. I have my own apartment off campus and my own car.
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srcockusjr2000 8y ago
Hey guys I'm a 17 year old, obese, virgin, and I just recently discovered TRP. For the most part it makes sense, but it's a lot to take in at once. I've been working on losing weight for a couple months now, I'm watching my diet and I work out 3 times a week. Im still shy as all hell around girls my age so my question is what small steps can I take to improve my game. Thanks any advice helps.
iknowthewhey 8y ago
How much weight have you lost? You need to go on a serious diet with obesity. Check out leangains for a good guide to dieting. Now that you are going to gym the priority should be strength for now. Workouts should be focused on the core lifts of bench, squat, and deadlift. At least one of the exercises should be performed each workout.
I don't know what your habits are like but cut out all video games and porn and keep TV to a limit. Read books, anything you like really doesn't have to be self-improvement.
The shyness will go away naturally as you work on yourself. It is a symptom of lack of confidence. I wouldn't work so much on trying to get girls right now as trying to get in good shape and getting your mind right. Girl's simply won't be attracted to you if you're obese. Get your life in order and then it's time to start gaming girls.
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Self-honest 8y ago
Make sure she knows you're not taking it seriously.
Mr-Ed209 8y ago
Where do the more experienced dudes meet their women?
It seems half the problem is just having access to girls for the most part
LavaPipe 8y ago
anywhere they want besides where they make their money
notastupid_question 8y ago
My main problem is social anxiety (I suppose) I am shy as shit and cannot talk to new people, besides I am introvert. I work a 8-5 job. Lift 5 times a week. I have 2 closest friends who are not redpill nor alpha.
I dont usually go out to parties, social stuff go out with people to bars, I have nobody to do that.
So wtf, how do I even talk?, I feel this barrier between and my coworkers (ugly, fat women in their 40-50s and old guys) what do i do? any help would be greatly appreciated.
Trooper_1868 8y ago
If you like edm, and your fav artist is playing go for it.
Or any type of music for that matter. Be there to enjoy the music and you will eventually meet people who know people who know people. When you can feel the activity (music, art, whatever you want to do,) people can sense this and will gravitate towards you.
daymi 8y ago
Go out by yourself, for yourself. Don't be like me and wait until you're middle age to do it. Go out now, explore the city.
Don't explore the computer. Explore OUTSIDE (or, in winter, inside other venues), be present, be curious and really look at your surroundings.
You know the people at work usually seem really bland? Usually they do that on purpose, it's a gray mask in order not to stick out in a bad way.
Over time it will get your mood down. To get your mood up, go somewhere where the action is. You don't have to go for long, just start going out twice a week at 22:30 and plan being back home at 01:00 - it's FINE.
In the beginning, you don't need to go out of your way to talk to anyone, just be present (in the middle of the bar, not in the corner). It will get your mood up just to suck in the atmosphere (especially if there's a good band playing). Over time you'll think what the fuck were you doing not going out.
Are you shy because you don't trust yourself or just because you can't be bothered to talk? I'll go first: I was shy because I didn't trust myself, I had bad self-confidence and I thought that I was better than other people (as compensation I guess).
You know, without assertiveness a man gets nothing. It's different for women, but for us, we must speak up to get anything. Job, girl, hobby, even the god damn dole. Speak up now or regret it later.
Yeah, redpill friends are rare :(
Go alone. I had loser friends for a long time, I kept calling them to go out and they always had an excuse. You know what I did? I went alone. Fuck it! Turns out you meet a lot of new people that way.
Remove the filter from your mouth. I'm serious. Don't think too much.
Just talk about whatever you want (within reason). Best is to say hi, then ask people about where they are from, do they come here often, how did they meet each other, how long are you here, when does the bar usually open/close, know any other good party spots, hey do they serve food here / is it good / which is good etc, what do you think of the band, can you play an instrument, is it that great every week, I wonder whether it stopped raining yet, I think this music is impossible to dance to, hey let's play table football, can I join you in table football. Please don't only memorize the examples, it should come naturally to you after a while.
The most unbelievable pull I had was on the dancefloor I got a girl's rapport, she got bubbly, dancing, she made sure to "introduce" me to her friends (pointing...), then following me alone outside to in front of the venue and finally talking to me when I didn't say a single word until we were outside (that was like 15 min). Only gestures and listening and nodding. Not a single word.
On the other hand, if you can speak other languages, switch languages in the middle of the conversion. It's fun.
Or talk about really weird stuff you always wanted to talk about like how come that some people hang rugs on walls etc. If you forget a name, replace it by "you", "man" or "honey". Later on, talk about the important things in life like what did you want to be when you grew up? What are your dreams now? Why the change? Compliment people if they do something worth complimenting, it'll stick - and it makes you both feel good. Also, you wouldn't believe what kind of unfrigid conversations you have with strange girls in a bar. shakes head, grins
Beware! Before you know, you'll even have fun!
Go out. One venue after another until you find a few great ones (you will). Then become a regular. Congratulations, you have a social life now.
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Beerdrguy 8y ago
I may not have read enough to know if my answer is right.. Every time i hear a woman say all men are the same, i have given them the response "if all men are the same, why dont you just pick one".. So if AWALT, just pick one, or none, is the answer i have given myself. Any veterans out there that might have a different answer or perspective, i would like your input.
iknowthewhey 8y ago
You have a complete misunderstanding of the term AWALT. AWALT does not mean all women are the same and that's an autistic way of looking at it. All women have similar tendencies and will cheat on a man who acts like a huge beta in the relationship. That is an example of AWALT.
Beerdrguy 8y ago
I probably am autistic. Ok so if they all have the same tendencies, that means they will all cheat if you lose frame. I keep reading about guys eventually losing frame but then becoming focused again. How do u break the cycle and make sure you stay alpha.
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AWALT is a bell curve distribution. So of course you can find outliers and the spectrum dictates that some are over/under median, but they're all on the same graph.
All guns are loaded. Basic rule of firearm safety. Treat all guns like they're loaded. Why? Because the consequences of assuming a gun is not loaded, pointing it at your head, giving the cylinder a spin and Russian Rouletting yourself is unwise. Just like assuming she's harmless, special, or shits rainbows. You really better check and see for yourself every time you handle a new gun how many chambers contain lead, then decide whether it's worth the risk to pull the trigger.
Are all guns loaded? No. Will every gun kill you if you pull the trigger? No. But each has the capability to kill you so don't marginalize the potential risk. All guns are like that.
Beerdrguy 8y ago
Awesome explanation, thanks.
gmangini 8y ago
As I've been reading TRP, I've come to realize I am a beta. I'm a 22-year-old virgin, who's switched his major plenty of times, and has yet to have a HB7+, or held a job that wasn't a complete student level low earning position. I, however, always lifted weights, sought knowledge, and continuously aimed to improve my life though discipline and self-improvement. Yet I always lacked that confidence around women and assertiveness around others. I always argued to myself, mainly to combat my cognitive dissonance, that I often display alpha traits--I'm not beta! But I continually display beta traits by never saying no to people, being quieter in groups, shy in approaching women, not standing up for my political views when others attack them in front of my face.
Have any of you perpetually lied to oneself? How did you feel once you understood the problem?
My last story is basically me approaching a girl I had in one of my classes through FB once the semester ended. I asked her for her number, and a date. Keep in mind, she is overweight (huge ass) and not as attractive. I asked her out at night, thinking with my dick, and without hinderance succeeded in scheduling an ice skating date.
She messaged me on the date, and I rain checked to a future date with a lame ass excuse realizing I had completely fucked up. She followed up, and I, like a complete beta, ghosted her. I followed up with a text, apologizing 2 months later, like a beta, with no reply from her end. Now I'm starting classes again, and am terrified that she may be in my classes. I literally walk around observant of my surroundings to avoid contact with her at all costs.
How ridiculous am I being? What the fuck is wrong with me, TRP?
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
Take a Big Five Personality Test. I suspect you might be high in neuroticism. You (like me) see every glass as half full and getting emptier by the minute. And just like having a temper, understanding the underlying psychology is the first step to managing the effects.
gmangini 8y ago
Thanks for your advice. I agree that understanding the following problem is the first step to solving it. I do have neurotic traits, but generally I believe I'm a very relaxed person. I believe, however, that I am more afraid of offending others, and often care too much in social situations--especially awkward ones. I avoid social situations and might have a case of social anxiety, even though people who know me would never guess.
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Arabian_Wolf 8y ago
29 years old.
Friends growing apart due to marriage, rut, old unsolved problems and me trying to not fall back to old, omega days.
I’m being picky about hanging out with people after self-improving through reading quality books and lifting, I don’t have the patient for most people around me, it feels lonely although I’m pushing myself as much as I can (1 year imperfect monk mode and unemployment), applying to jobs and got two interviews last week, hoping for the best.
Plan to travel before getting married, hate how modern marriage in richer countries is all about consumerism and image, I’d like to settle down in a farm or with a small cafe/restaurant the traditional way, as I’m also having the babymake itch.
Any advice for a late bloomer like me?
danger_n00dles 8y ago
Hello guys I need some advice: Im currently 21yr Polish male, I'm still living with my parents (very religous), small town. I really want to spin plates but I need to keep the cover of "righteus man" because I'm a beekeper who sells his products from home to home. If ppl see that I'm a player they will not buy from me wich is a big deal. How do I keep the cover of "nice guy" when simultaneously spinning plates? Second question linked to first is: where to lay so nobody would know? My house is off the table, I'm preety average height 6,1 (184cm) and most of girls i pick up are 5,11 - 5,10 so back seat of my car ususaly wont do because its too small. Thanks for any advice on my problems and writing, I didnt have much practice writing since school days.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
So, your entire town is your workplace. And the best advice is never mix work with your personal life - don't shit where you eat.
As for your second question. Where are your hives? In forests and meadows away from town? Perfect place to lay down a blanket in the long summer grasses?
danger_n00dles 8y ago
That's an interesting idea, I'll try it when the winter is over, thank you for the help.
QuantumGainz 8y ago
Anybody got any good tips for approaching girls in gyms? There’s a few girls who I’m always holding really strong eye contact with and get smiles back but usually I can’t be arsed to approach coz I’m too into my workout. But now feel I might be missing out on a couple of opportunities here
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
What will produce the greatest long term benefit - hitting the weights or hitting on two gym bunnies?
QuantumGainz 8y ago
Yea I get that but the two aren’t mutually exclusive
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TruthSeekaaaaa 8y ago
Suffering for a Woman I didn't Like
I was in a "relationship" with a woman 16 years older than me that literally suck my life out, unfortunately not with blowjobs. Initially I was impressed by her but after know her for a little while I found out she was completely different. 3 months passed and I feel more alone than ever, she gave me something big only to destroy it few hours later, it was exhausting. Yesterday I called her, telling her again how many things I miss and she doesn't provide. As usual, she blowed up and we definitely break up (gladly). I didn't love the woman, not even close, I only like a few aspects and hate all the other ones. And yet, I still hope for her return even if I don't want her to return, since the loop will resume. I guess this is not the case, since I feel this time is different, but well, the hope is still there. I gotta admit I have some personal issue, I tend to idealize girls and become attached to one without any single reason and fight till the end to make things work. This isn't right obv and this is a huge problem of mine that I have to tackle. I have pretty much all bad memories of the woman, but I'm still thinking her all day. I don't feel abandoned, I feel a huge void, I've invested a lot and I received pretty much nothing. Probably I'm feeling angry, not sad, because she treated me so badly countless times. I recognize this is most likely and ego issue and no love is involved. What do you think beside I'm still far to be unplugged?
daymi 8y ago
I'm not an expert, but I've felt the huge void in the past and no one but you can fix it. You have to understand, really understand, that it can only be you who fixes it. Others can't and women can't and don't want to fix it. It is difficult work that you have to do if you want your life to improve. Do things that show you that you can act and not depend on specific people. I volunteer with some huge projects (from time to time) which ensures that I won't meet the same people again next time usually - so I act for the sake of the action (i.e. for me) and not for them.
At first I always went to others to busy myself with their feelings so I don't notice me suppressing mine. But that was a HUGE waste of my time, it does nothing - and if you get with BPD women it makes your life worse. A lot of the suppression was entirely unnecessary - once you stop, the feeling evaporates. Suppression is a little like not thinking of a pink elephant. You just thought of a pink elephant, right?
Stop it now. Work on your needs, by yourself. As men, we have to be ... stable on our own. Trust yourself more. It is fine if you have needs. If too many of your needs are not met, NEXT. I know that there were good parts (in my case she knew how to do it), but they have to be enough. Were they enough? Maybe she even gaslighted you insinuating that you aren't good enough and if you left her you won't find another good woman. I left, I found a much better one 10 days later (by coincidence, but still...).
TruthSeekaaaaa 8y ago
I'm receiving a lot of support, I mean a lot. Yesterday, I literally cried because I received a ton of calls and msgs from friends. Anyway my issue is still the same, I autoattach to the first girl I see for a few weeks. This morning I woke up and I tried to recall what she did for me and I didn't find a single thing. This is saddening me because whenever I wake up I hope to see her msg and I think about her all the day. I think about how can I make her happy and so on... Right now, as I'm writing those things, I slowly realize how I'm ridicolous
daymi 8y ago
It's good that you reach out to your friends. They will be there long after current girl is gone.
Yeah, it was so difficult to stop it. But it can be done (easiest if you date multiple women in the same week; not always - nobody can do that all year long; I mean schedule them in the same week on purpose) and you'll have the opposite problem after some time (which is also bad... sigh).
iknowthewhey 8y ago
Run far and away from her. She is going to manipulate you emotionally so you must cut all contact with her.
TruthSeekaaaaa 8y ago
I ran away but I hope to see her msg, but at the same time I dread it because she was very hard on me with no single reason. She got huge emotional blocks and our relationship never took a flight because she set a lot of rules. We can't do this, we can't do that etc. The huge issue is that she constanly break the rules. I mean, she didn't want to commit and she has a lot of emotional baggage I know, but you can't show love and after a few hours attack me in any away. I felt drained at best. That woman sucked my energy so much that before I broke up, I got a 3some but my cock was flacid all the session :(
iknowthewhey 8y ago
BLOCK her messages. Get ahold of yourself. You have a whole life to live. What are your hobbies? Music, sports, writing, I don't care what they are just go do that and get completely lost in what you're doing so you don't have to think about her.
TruthSeekaaaaa 8y ago
Ty for the tip and you are 100% right. I'm doing ok I guess, I fill my free time with many activities/friends
gutsy_retard 8y ago
Any merchant naval officers out there with TRP advice on plate spinning home and abroad? My issue is that 'Texting' as a whole is a poor choice of communication, especially where frame is concerned. Thus I have literally broken contact with every plate back home. Because it becomes pointless messaging them for no good reason once every month. I tried a broadcast list on whatsapp for every fun country i visit, but even that seems like pile on, which I dont think helps maintain frame. Those of you in LTRs can also tell me your experiences thus far!
Also, the language barriers are insane in some countries. Its hard not to be tempted to take an easy road and go to hookers (dime a dozen at each port) when you can barely get beyond ascertaining that the girl you are trying to pick up, does not in fact know english.
Would also appreciate inputs on various fitness and self improvement methods employed onboard where often we have to manage with just a shambolic treadmill for a gym, and whatever reserve books stock we have brought along with us.
Mathew_F 8y ago
Is it even possible to hit on gym employees? I see this girl on a daily basis and we lock eyes quite often but I can’t tell if it’s because of interest or she’s just “monitoring the gym” if you will.
avonv 8y ago
I’ve been there. To me the best strategy is showing up regularly, and chatting with her casually each time to get to know her better. If you do this well enough, progress to getting her # /IG / snap... then make a move. But do it outside of the gym.
The idea is to not be like every other guy who just asks her out with no tact. If she’s attractive, believe me she probably gets hit on 30 times a day. The gym is filled with testosterone / good looking guys. Be different than them and demonstrate you’re better.
Mathew_F 8y ago
That was my plan but I don’t know how to initiate that first contact, I just discovered TRP and was a super beta male before.
binarynightmare 8y ago
Read up on IOI's (indicators of interest), and see if you can check some boxes based on your limited interaction. If still unclear, approach her in a socially acceptable way to see if you can provoke a few (IOI's) out of her.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
How much to you like the gym? Because if the relationship goes sideways it will be you finding a new gym and not her.
In33dmon3yz 8y ago
Rule no 1 dont shit where you eat bro
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Quit attempting to mold yourself into what you think women are looking for.
Instead, mold yourself into the man you'd like to see when you look into the mirror. Then see which women line up for a ride.
You can't negotiate attraction. Someone who hates strawberries but loves peaches will never love strawberries.
TheProphetPhysiquiel 8y ago
As a student in a high school, if you're going around hitting on all the girls and girls are getting disinterested all the time, word will spread. You've got to be careful in such a closed social environment like that, I'd say try to game girls at other schools and with girls at your own school, let hookups/relationships come to you, rather than you try to make them happen.
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As another HS student I agree. Most high schoolers are immature as fuck and the it’s likely that word would spread. Shit spreads fast in high school. I’m glad I’ve only got 4 months left and then I’m out of HS...
Michael_Negron 8y ago
Weird age to be honest, at that age your best bet is to meet girls in more social settings (sporting events, parties, et ). Don’t seem to “pushy”, with the info you’ve posted, I’d say back off a bit. Change up your strategy.
Captain_pants4 8y ago
Try not to think about girls and just focus on having fun, like you’re in a room full of guys and you have to entertain yourself without the element of sex. I’m not saying that you should ignore the girls that show you IOIs but you also don’t need to jump up with your dick out every time a girl smiles at you. Girls are attracted to guys who appear to be fun and having fun, even not in the presence of women. If you do get An IOI practice being fun, teasing and flirting, but don’t immediately go to ask her out, as you may come off needy. And then go back to having fun without her. If you’re lifting 4 times per week then muscle is probably showing, which may be why you’re getting the IOIs to begin with. If you don’t have muscle showing then you’re not lifting right and you should focus on that. If you’re looking good and the rejection only comes after you open your mouth then I’d work on not appearing so needy
Ratroo 8y ago
Keep lifting. And keep trying. You may not notice the changes now but they will compound over time and you will thrive in college. Just be consistent. With high school girls you'll have to lead, be confident and take action and they'll be dtf or they'll let you know they aren't.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
Just spit balling an idea here: Are you rushing too fast? In other words, are you rushing through the rapport building phase? If a woman/girl doesn't know you from Adam, it will take time, maybe hours of talking, to build up a level of trust. Or she will need to know you via a friend of a friend. Joking around is one thing, but having enough trust to follow you to some place is another.
Self-honest 8y ago
I was killing it back then, before I even had a clue. Give us some details. What are your interactions like from IOI to rejection?
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Self-honest 8y ago
Dude, sounds good. Are you asking them out in front of other people. If so, it might be better to invite them over the phone to preserve their plausible deniability.
Trowawayantifap28 8y ago
Did not want to cluster the mainpage and waited for this.
My very best friend since 12 years is in absolute Blue Pill Nirvana.
Married, 2 kids. Wife has turned to 120kg since they first met. Sex maybe 2 times a year. She is a dominat nature and my friend is a doer. He does everything while she sits on the couch and eats a shitload of feta cheese at 11pm...
He does not want to leave for the kids, which i can understand to some degree, so i tried to explain to him he needs to alpha up. She would actualy respond well to this based on her past.
But i am only a student hear and far from teaching.
Did anybody have a similar experience and has some advice how to help him out.
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This is asked all the time on askTRP.
here's my answer....You can't fix someone if they don't believe they're broken....
The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Business men, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
Read this love letter.
Trowawayantifap28 8y ago
Yeah this quote is quit fitting... thanks
binarynightmare 8y ago
The amount of mental, physical, and emotional recomposition needed to go from blue to red is not trivial, and no pep talk from you or anyone else is going to convince him he needs to change... it's a decision he has to commit to on his own.
That being said, be a good friend, and live your life in a way that's a walking endorsement for TRP.
LavaPipe 8y ago
Turning your friends into red knights is often way too much work and takes the focus off of your mission. You don’t need to be teaching anyone how to be a man besides yourself and kids if you ever decide to have any.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
Leave him alone. Just be a good friend. If you friend is naturally submissive, it will be hard to make him change. Sure, you could make him do things, but he won't translate that into doing things when you aren't around.
Trowawayantifap28 8y ago
Thank you for your reply. There is just the problem, that if we meet, he goes on a 3 hr rant about all the bad stuff she does and is. I listen to this and always believed she is all at fault. But now that i dipped into trp i realize is is at least 70 his fault. So hard watching him get destroyed. But as you said. I tried and he understands the words but not the deeper meaning...
KnowBrainer 8y ago
What is the TRP philosophy of cheating as a male? Are we not supposed to even get into relationships so it's a non-issue? Or... Don't do it, or do it but don't feel guilty because she is too...
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Self-honest 8y ago
You do whatever you want to. Use the TRP toolbox to make it happen.
darchetype 8y ago
For me personally I follow the golden rule: if I'm in an exclusive relationship I wouldn't want her to cheat on me so therefore I won't cheat on her. But really it just comes down to your own morals and since TRP is amoral by nature, it's up to your discretion.
FirstNamesMusic 8y ago
It's Easy. If you introduce her to others as your "friend" not exclusive. If you add girl in front of that it's exclusive.
binarynightmare 8y ago
If, as a red pilled man, you find yourself in a committed relationship, you need to keep your word and integrity in fidelity, while being fully prepared mentally and emotionally for her biological instinct to not return the favor. It's also nice to be strong enough to keep this mindset while also enjoying the good times.
COCAINE_ADVOCATE 8y ago
Cheating inexorably means having to lie. Lying isn't being true to your potential (it creates uncertainty and hides yourself, which IMO is a loss of frame). Therefore I believe cheating is actually against (my) RP philosophy. I think cheating and lying about it is a feminine quality, actually-- it breeds chaos.
Women know that monogamy isn't a given, which is why they repeatedly ask for commitment and have the expectation that it should be reinforced after a man gives her that commitment. But a plate should know she's a plate.
But I'm sure a lot of guys would feel differently.
Trooper_1868 8y ago
Its easier to hold frame when you are telling the truth.
KnowBrainer 8y ago
I respect that view. I think you're spot-on. If you're sneaking and lying, you're not being the apex predator of the food chain.
Matematik150 8y ago
18 y/o virgin here. I have almost everything in check. I am very muscular (200lbs for 6 foot), very big social circle and a goal. The only problem is that becuse i started going out at 17(games fucked me up) i am kinda clueless when it comes to girls. I met a skinny girl and we both want to have sex. My friends say thats a no no becuse i am a 7/10 (or something), and she is a 5.5/10(for me 6). I just want to get it over with so I have more balls when it comes to BH8 or HB9. My questions is : 1.,Do i have sex with her? (to get over the V card) 2.,Does having sex with "ugly" chicks lower your SMV?
darchetype 8y ago
Yes, of course you should bang her. But you're already off to a bad start from trying to seek validation from your friends and from us. Follow your heart brahski.
Self-honest 8y ago
Do you want to have sex with her? If the answer is yes, then you should do it.
AllgBeamtenrecht 8y ago
those HB numbers are ridiculous and scream insecurity. make it 123.
3 - fuck her and show her around 2 - fuck her and keep it a secret 1 - no fucky
dont let other people tell you how and who you bless with your semen. that's a crab in a bucket mentality.
Matematik150 8y ago
Wow i never thought of that. I will implement this in my RP yourney
Trooper_1868 8y ago
More simple for computer nerds Binary code.
1 - yes 0 - no
:)
majorketone 8y ago
If you want to have sex with her do it. I would if I was in your shoes. A 6 is above average so don't worry about it.
Michael_Negron 8y ago
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I've been approaching many chicks lately, how do i stop getting excited when I've opening them, they don't get excited so it feels needy and weird on my behalf.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
Stop cold opening and just start conversations with people you find interesting.
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The many chicks I approached were interesting
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Because of their looks or because they were actually engaging in behavior and activities you found interesting?
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Body Language, Style, Accent.
alxjones 8y ago
make some kind of flip. tackle this idea. music is readily open and accessible to almost anyone. artist drops song and I like it and it’s free and available, flowing, great. i’ll listen to my hearts desires when and where I want. now same artist makes it exclusive. (ie. doesn’t come out until x, donate to download, etc) now I want it, and it comes with a price. it’s almost a little sweeter to have at that point. try this with your attention or something. the tricky part is making that opening. but once it’s open, now you make the flip. ask them gauging questions, when they ask you, be exclusive with your answer. idk. something like this. for an idea
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could you give me an example of a convo like that?
alxjones 8y ago
idk a good way always seems to be to flip it on to them. they say, “how are you” you say “you first”
imagine it’s like a game of basketball. the idea is to get rid of the ball
im_not 8y ago
I’ve been in a LTR for 2.5 years. We are both 27. She loves me unconditionally and I feel like there’s no other woman out there who would make a better life partner than her. My only concern is the commitment itself - the proposal, the planning, the wedding, the marriage. I don’t want to give her up because she’s the best one I’ve ever had but I’ve also been sitting on the pot unsure how to take this to the next stage.
Part of me wants to fuck the hot 23 year olds again, but I don’t think it’s worth tossing aside what is the best partnership I’ve ever had. The other part of me wants to stick with her forever, but I worry that I’ll miss out on a key part of my life purely because I gave in to societal marriage pressure that I’ve been deep down trying to avoid.
Bear-With-Bit 8y ago
I'm in my late 30s. Several years ago I married the love my life. Sure I was a full-blown bloopie but I was Cypher but a different Cypher, the one with his memory erased and living the best kind of Matrix plugged-in life as an actor, just like he wanted. As far as blue pill beta goes, I was fuckin happy.
Fast forward three months into my marriage, my wife wanted a divorce. Let's just say I'm so glad I didn't knock her up and for non-contest divorces.
My point isn't like everyone else here who's yelling DONT GET MARRIED BRUH. It's actually the opposite. Marry her. Go the whole fuckin nine yards. And stop reading trp.
Because you're straddling the fence here, buddy, and it aint no good for you. Pick a direction and run towards it like hell.
TheReformist94 8y ago
Just fuck on the side,don't get caught out of respect. Remember that if she found someone better than you she wudnt bat an eye lid. It's just socially acceptable for women in society and TRP to branch swing as it's one at a time but not for us to hold branches despite sexual strategy being amoral. Just weigh up what's at cost and if it's worth risking.
alxjones 8y ago
sadly, the part about it being socially acceptable for broads to branch swing does come off as an ugly truth
AlKhat 8y ago
The side bar will help you with this
Iron Rule of Tomassi #6
CasaDeFranco 8y ago
Is that predicated on current society context alone?
I would argue that this rule is correct but would you suggest that (nostalgia aside); women in previous generations could love a man (or more so than women do today)?
My mother is a good example of this, and grandmother cared for my grandfather before he passed away. That said, these are biased individual observations so I'm hesitant to suggest the rule only applies to today.
Il_Dio_Messaggero 8y ago
That's familial bias mostly. It's impossible for a girl to love unconditionally, hell, dogs release more oxytocin when seeing their master than a girl with a moderate n-count seeing her BF.
Older generations of girls were bound by more practical reasons, and by practical I mean financial. Once technology made femininity and fidelity optional, and Big Daddy Gov't supplied the cash to inundate a girl from failure...HEN NIGHT EVERY NIGHT.
FirstNamesMusic 8y ago
Read up on oneitis.
Also, this type of situation is tough. I myself do not know how to remedy.
Basically if you get married you must never break frame or else you will be stuck in relationship hell, losing respect, passionate sex, and your helper.
On the other hand, not getting married means having children is more complicated and the kid will have a higher chance of growing up fucked up.
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im_not 8y ago
I’d either marry her or break up with her. I guess it’s the commitment of being with her forever that scares me not the legal definition
killabeesindafront 8y ago
Emotions are irrational and that is okay. The reality is that you don't have to eat the entire cake. Eat a slice, enjoy the slice, and have another. If you eat none of it, nothing will really happen but if you eat the entire cake it will taste amazing while you eat it but you will feel sick afterwards.
FirstNamesMusic 8y ago
The legal definition should scare you. Once married, lest her attraction to you ever wane, she can take half or more of your assets with little effort.
The non legal part is pretty easy, just do whatever you want to do. If she's on board great, if not, great.
Self-honest 8y ago
Can you not achieve that level of relationship without marriage? Marriage is just a contract that can fuck you over. If she truly loves you she wouldn't want you to compromise your future security for her own. If she truly views you as her best option, she would stick with you no matter what. If she would rather choose to marry someone else for the security then she values that more than you, it's her choice.
Rollo_Mayhem3 8y ago
love is ideal never perfectly realized but simply strived for...you know, like reaching for the stars...rethink the concept of love...its romantic...but who does it really appeal to, WOMEN...men have been conditioned to accept this social contract...
askmrcia 8y ago
This all sounds good on paper but the problem is from the woman's perspective. Everyone in her family and social circle will think of it as weird for the girl to stick with a guy for years and never getting married.
Everyone is going to be asking about weddings and bullshit. So what I'm getting at is that it's a huge social image for the female.
Now if the girl doesn't care then yes you have a point. The problem is the girls that don't care about being married while sticking to one guy indefinitely is a very extreme minority.
Self-honest 8y ago
Or... are the guys that are worth sticking to indefinitely while foregoing marriage a very extreme minority?
LazyHandjob 8y ago
Have y’all considered doing a threesome?
LeoMessiD10S 8y ago
Just a question regarding books. After you've just finished a book such as The way of the superior man, 48 laws of power, the obstacle is the way...(TRP related books), Do you write a summary for refreshing what you've just read and internalize the info? I usually underline with a pencil what I found to be the most important. Sorry for my english, I'm spanish.
Exptx 8y ago
I type up my highlighted (in your case underlined) excerpts of the book, then format the notes so they’re easy to read, and use them as reference material and to refresh myself with concepts in the future. I reserve this process only for those books which have the most impact for me and personal value.
LeoMessiD10S 8y ago
Thanks! Will start doing the same
alxjones 8y ago
ooo I like this as well. gonna be using this for the meditations by marcus aurelius and Jordan Peterson’s new book
WelfareWarriorZ 8y ago
Advice on plating women over 30. I am 25 and I just had a ONS with a 31yo HB9. Her personality is very good and I can see her moving up rank. She is moving to my city soonish so that's why I am considering the thought. Applied solid TRP knowledge from lurking and it finally paid off big with her.
FirstNamesMusic 8y ago
It's literally no different than any other girl. You just do your thing.
Self-honest 8y ago
Borderline oneitis from a one night s
You learn this shit by applying it, not by lurking. What did you do?
Just keep fucking her. Have another one night stand with her. Then another.
Also, over 30 ranks up to FWB max. You're 25, she's hitting the wall. Danger. She wants to lock somebody down.
Fuck other women.
WelfareWarriorZ 8y ago
Got it. I have other girls who are younger that are good to go. I guess what I meant to say is I applied TRP caused by lurking (just trying to credit you guys lol). Thanks for the advice breakdown.
iknowthewhey 8y ago
You seem to be too into her. A woman having ONS's at age 31 is not someone you want to be messing around with. "Accidental" pregnancy is likely to happen. Go for younger girls, this girl is damaged goods.
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DreamGrl8 8y ago
Does anyone else who is an 8+ have difficult time getting 8s or 9s on Tinder to actually go on a date? My theory is that even if I am high SMV, high SMV females just get wayyy too much attention online where the odds are in there favor because many high value girls don't even resort to online use, especially at the age range I am trying to date (25 to 29 year olds primarily).
Also, does game change as girls age and mature and have fucked their share of Chads and wised up? I know AWALT and their basic judgments and motivations are the same , but does our game need to change in response to their increased experience, wisdom, and their potentially self-deceptive, "more mature motivations" ?
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AlexDr0ps 8y ago
This sounds like my (and everyone else's) high school relationship. The first one, where you think you two are going to be together forever and tell your grandchildren that you met in band when you were 16.
Get the fuck over it dude. You don't want to spend your life with the first girl you date. Because of the way you feel about her, it doesn't sound like you have read much on here. Start with The Rational Male. The first chapter is about ONEitis, which is what I am diagnosing you with.
It's good that you're angry. She's probably taking Chad's massive 8 inch cock while you're sitting here thinking about her. You will not get her back. You shouldn't try. Go destroy some weights in the gym, make yourself big and sexy, and you will drown in pussy in college. Learn to talk to women and apply game. I promise you there are about a million girls hotter with better personalities than her. But you can't let a woman make you who you are. Man up
Thrawy126 8y ago
When you are sitting at a desk, how do you seem confident? I always try to straighten my back, but I think it makes me look tense af.
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Manspread. Those big balls need breathing room. Lean back. Be comfortable. Take up space.
alxjones 8y ago
this. Lobster-size yourself S P R E A D W I D E
killer15356 8y ago
hey bro. Just wanted to say that this should be the least of your worries. Just lift, approach, and repeat then all the little things will come naturally.
killer15356 8y ago
This girl (hb 7)on the bus gave me an IOI and I approached and got her number. I set up a date with her also. But every time I try to tease her uing sarcasm or exaggeration she doesn’t understand it and I end up having to explain myself. This is the 3rd girl that I’ve gamed that is like this. It’s just annoying, so how do I tease girls like this?
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
When 3 women have the same reaction, the problem is with you. Maybe your "teasing" technique is too complicated. Keep it simple. And if she still doesn't get it, stop using the "teasing".
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Phone conversations are for logistics only.
theromanshcheezit 8y ago
18yo freshman in college and recent lurker of this sub.
I’ve read most of the posts on the sidebar in order to get a feeling of what this sub is all about and I couldn’t be happier to see a group of men (and possibly women) coming together to help others become more assertive, dominant and successful in their dating and personal life.
My question is: I’ve been talking and dating around since last semester and have been in many instances where we were making out in bed, dry stroking, and getting very very very close to having sex, but as soon we get to the point in which sex is almost inevitable, the girl stops me either with “I’m on my period.” (Which I think is a lie), “I‘m not ready for this yet.” or “I’m celibate.” (Yes, the last one did happen).
To give some context, I’ve only been practicing game for about 3 months and I’ve seen tremendous progress but it seems like women still don’t want to close with me.
Any insight on what could be the problem?
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
It sounds like you are hitting Last Minute Resistance and then quitting at the first objection. I don't mean you should keep charging ahead but you need to take a couple steps back and rebuild again.
Women are weird creatures driven by complex emotions that even they don't understand. A sexual encounter with a new partner is (usually) a significant event, so their brains are trying to calculate if you are worth the pregnancy risks. For you it is just an fuck, but for her it is everything bet on red. After that emotional part of her brain has calmed down, the fun can continue.
And even after all that, sometimes she just isn't in the mood.
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ramfex21 8y ago
My LTR of 4.5 years knows that I am not really keen on marriage. She plays it off like she doesn’t care, but every now and then she makes little comments like ‘ I guess I’ll never have to worry about trying on a wedding dress’. Do you guys think this is going to lead to eventual trouble as many of she friends are slowly getting engaged.
I don’t want to get married... fuck that shit.
Also, do many red pill men condone cheating in LTRs? ( it seems many women don’t have a problem with cheating themselves) We have sex like once or twice a month.. im 24 BTW. I see so many ripe girls out there and it gets me a little edgy like in wasting my time... any thoughts would be appreciated.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
One or twice per month! That is not 'normal'. If that pace is being dictated by your partner, she has already given up on the relationship entirely. You won't need to worry about cheating because at the first opportunity she will be gone.
FinancialMagus 8y ago
If you are only having sex 1-2x per month pre even engagement, id move on or figure out how to reframe and get that to as much as you want. It'll be once per year after a few years of marriage (at least together) if it's already that low. Are you both in shape and exercising/lifting (you)?
iknowthewhey 8y ago
I don't see the big deal with cheating. A lot of people think they are the moral police and say don't cheat. TRP is amoral and cheating on your LTR is one of the best ways to keep your LTR in check as long as you can get away with it.
Your definitely in for trouble and she will likely cheat on you or move on once she truly believes you won't get married. At this point, it sounds like she is trying to manipulate you into marriage.
RedditArgument 8y ago
Are you happy? If not, who are you trying to fool?
Sex once or twice a month is idiotic unless you have a really low libido.
thenewmanintown 8y ago
When someone in the monk mode, should he try to improve his game in addition to the mode or should he just focus improve himself and market value without game?
LavaPipe 8y ago
Personally I’d recommend passively trying to improve your game
Burrr 8y ago
Is it generally a good idea to reconnect with a girl from your blue pill past?
MrCarepig 8y ago
Its like eating from a dirty, 3 day old crusty plate. Better to just get a new, clean one. will help with abundance mindset.
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No. Your attraction to them was founded on bluepill principles.
As others have said, cultivate a healthy reputation.
[deleted] 8y ago
I’ve thought about this before. If she re initiated contact then fucking go for it. Otherwise I’d stay away. It’s a good bet you had oneitis for her and you’ll just go back to your beta bitch ways.
Michael_Negron 8y ago
Has to be her to re-initiate the contact.
FriendlyAdvisor-v2 8y ago
No. She’ll probably try to shit test your frame and make you BP. You can if you want. But be careful.
binarynightmare 8y ago
Read up on rule 5 of the 48 Laws of Power - "So much depends on reputation, guard it with your life."
As it explains, in this situation, you have a undesirable/unattractive reputation to these women, which will impact how they perceive anything you verbally or non verbally communicate. In other words, even if you do everything right, it can still be 'wrong'. The chapter also explains some tactics for rebuilding a destroyed reputation.
But the long story short, circling back to these women, assuming for sexual oppurtunity, is going to prove difficult - and probably hints that this hypothetical 'you' might not fully embrace abundance mentality.
Fradier 8y ago
I think about this alot. I feel tempted too but then again I think it would be more work to pull that girl from the past than it would be pull a new girl. If you are going to make sure you are 110% confident in everything you do
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MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8y ago
"There's this one girl..." Please read the article of same name near the top of the AskTRP sidebar.
Self-honest 8y ago
If that damaged your self confidence to the point that it needs rebuilding you have a lot of work to do my friend. Why did it damage you?
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Self-honest 8y ago
All girls will "BS" you forever. It's called a "shit" test for a reason.
"Who said I wanted a girl from the same school?"
Just laugh at her. That's how she operates.
TizTheWiz 8y ago
Had the opportunity to talk to a solid 9 but goofed it. I've been lifting and working on myself and while my confidence has risen I'm still intimidated by 9s and 10s. Any advice from rp veterans?
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
Why is this '9' so important? Do you see how you are putting her on a pedestal? Would you care if you "goofed" talking to a 4?
Relax. Stop overthinking. Oh, and based on the SMV ladder, almost every man has women out of their league. Women fuck sideways and up the ladder. Which means the best counter strategy for men is sideways and down (but not too far).
You are intimidated because your monkey brain thinks you are not equal or greater than her. Maybe that is true. Maybe it's not. It really doesn't matter.
Michael_Negron 8y ago
What’s the setting? (Gym, work, etc). Uhh, treat them how you treat a 5-8. Be confident (if you get flat out objections, move on). If you get their attention, keep it, ask them about themselves. Look at it this way, she’s use to BP’s treating her like a god, praising her at every chance, and here you are being not blue pilling; that’ll spark her curiosity. Also how did you goof it? Find where you went wrong and improve on it.
TizTheWiz 8y ago
Setting was university, today was the first spring weather day in months so everyone was outside being social. I goofed cause when she was sitting with her sorority and left, I could have caught her alone but pussied out. Ironically enough I got a 5/6s number not even an hour later and barely even tried. I'll work on it and try again ????????
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 8y ago
When you're spinning two plates, you'll find talking to another prospect, even a long shot, becomes less intimidating.
Something else I have learned over the decades: An average looking woman who is really into you is much better to have around than a bratty, high-maintenance 9 who always seems to have one foot out the door.
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Alright, so I'm a senior in college, last semester before I graduate. There's this girl in one of my classes I'm interested in, and I wanna know the best way to approach her. But first a little background about myself: I'm 22 and I consider myself at least above average in terms of looks. I'm relatively fit and I lift. I got over my fear of talking to girls I like some time ago, but now it's just an issue of location. I don't really go to a lot of social gatherings because of my busy schedule and difficult major, and I live on campus so I'm really just scouting out the girls on campus. Naturally there's not really any good opportunities to talk to them though, since most people on campus are busy doing something or going somewhere. Anyway, if I were to talk to the girl after class, I wanna know how to do so without it seeming creepy, since we literally don't know each other and we aren't at any sort of social gathering. I just wanna know how I can maximize my chances with a girl in this kind of situation. I'm not really a "player" so I don't just go girl to girl until one says yes. I also have pretty high standards which makes it even harder for me since it really limits the pool of girls that I'm interested in.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
You've got a terrible case of one-itis. That's not good. Move on.
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I move on if it doesn't work out with the girl I want, that's just how I am. Wouldn't be happy if I did it any other way.
binarynightmare 8y ago
Are you sure? Typical for newbies to overestimate their physical attraction. Find objective ways to double check.
I think you know this is an excuse. I remember being in college and hanging around campus, rarely if ever was I too busy for a conversation.
This sounds like a rationalization I used to use for girls who didn't want to give me the time of day, I would respond by convincing myself they were below my standards and that I'd rather be going home alone anyways.
Hi, what did you think of test/assignment/hw? Sorry, I'm greg4581 btw, I don't think we've met.
This isn't rocket science, and the fact that you go to the same class is a warm introduction.
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There's nothing truly objective about physical attraction, but I've had girls unrelated to me say I'm attractive (especially my eyes) so that's good enough for me. Plus, I'm always told confidence goes further than looks in most cases.
Not so much an excuse, more like I just don't wanna blow it cause I've only got one shot.
Let me put it this way: I've had several girls profess their obvious interest in me over the years but I turned them down. Most of them were 5's or 6's. Looking back though, I sort of regret turning away from one girl in particular, so my standards may have lowered a little since then. It's not really something that can be helped, it's like my sex drive only craves the best.
Yeah that part's simple enough. The hard part is coming up with a suitable activity to invite her to without coming on too strong and putting her off.
binarynightmare 8y ago
Nice conversing with you. Please know that I'm offering more of a socratic 'question all assumptions' role than I am critical or absolute argument.
I do I call the vanilla ice cream approach. Imagine there's a stranger, and for whatever reason, your mission is to get him to eat a bowl of ice cream you offer him. this mission is important to you, and you only get one first impression, so you start to over think what flavor of ice cream to buy... out of fear that if you pick the wrong flavor - peanut butter cup, or mint chocolate chip, or any other creative flavor, it might be the reason that he says no. The best approach here is to offer him vanilla ice cream. And while it's true that he might still say no to eating ice cream, it won't be because of the flavor you picked.
When you invite this girl to do something, think vanilla. No ice skating, fancy dinner reservation, trip to the Smithsonian, zoo, etc. Eliminate the possibility of her declining the invite because you guessed wrong at her idea of a good time. Everyone is at least neutral to netflix, or grabbing a drink, or getting an evening coffee.
If I had more time to rant, this is where I would talk about the great disservice romantic comedies have done to men's perception of how to arrange a first date. (I'm looking at you, Will Smith, in Hitch, with your skidoos and museum.)
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Likewise, and thanks for the advice, your analogy helps. I just have one more question: If she does decline, how do I know if she really means it or if she's just testing me? Should I push a little more or just forget about her at that point?
binarynightmare 8y ago
If she does give your her number and then decline, i would categorize her as a 'cold lead', essentially forgetting about her as a primary opportunity, but circling back about once a week or every two weeks with a casual text invite to do something on campus - lunch, party you're already going to, open social club, etc.
The idea in post rejection/flake follow up is to invest minimal brain and emotional energy in her until she shows enough interest to warrant more.
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Coregod109 8y ago
Hey TRP I recently discovered TRP and have read allot and for the most part it clicks.
But I also see lots of posts about not only reading but doing. Now my question is if you guys have any tips or tricks to create routine and internalize the TRP mentality?
Also I'm lifting, Journaling and try to be more proactive and get a IDGF attitude but I feel myself slipping every so often. Just my lazy side winning from the side that wants to be the better man any tips on controlling this? I think meditation might help but have allot of trouble doing and maintaining this.
Edit: removed typos
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I was gonna ask this same question, I feel I don't know how to start making real progress.
Ccarlial 8y ago
As far as meditation goes, the 'Headspace' app is a good way to start, and build consistency.
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
is a damn good idea. Even if you don't read it again, you'll remember it better, and you'll be able to systematize it and make connections.
Describe events and interactions, successes and failures. Relate them to RP concepts. Also you can see interconnections between various principles. Example: Handling shit tests and the Women are children theme (subject of my very first post about a year ago). How are they related? Shit tests are basically women-children trying to get on even footing with you. Usually you can just ignore it; almost never a good idea to engage, because then she will wrestle-with-pigs on your ass. It's better if you think she's just cute.
What I'm doing with most of my posts is looking back over my life and seeing how TRP explains just about every significant moment. It's eerie.
I'm 52 and I've got this shit down. My wife is like a marionette, and only since TRP can I see the strings.
pintintin4 8y ago
I've been a red pill (well trying my best) man for about a year and a half now. I've lost weight, know women for what they are etc. I know all the right stuff but have trouble implementing all of it at the same time as in one thing will suffer if I focus on something else. I have an addictive personality and am working through these issues. My main addiction atm is porn/masterbation. Been on a few streaks of nofap but none seem to go further than a week. I feel like my dopamine receptor thing is all to wack and would greatly appreciate some words of wisdom for a man slightly off path.
Thanks ????
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
Porn is to the crack cocaine of erotica. Over the past few decades porn producers have boiled erotica down to the most stimulating elements and cranked them up to 11.
New strategy. Break the problem into two parts. Get off porn before worrying about no-fap. New rule - you can fap as much as you want but you can't use porn. After 3 months, evaluate where you are.
Self-honest 8y ago
Decide that you want to fuck some bitch and go make it happen. While not jerking off to porn.
Sarky1992 8y ago
Any advice with dealing with female co-workers? I work as an accountant and our department is full of girls in their twenties. I just recently had a meeting with a TL and a senior (both female, in their twenties) where the problem was that I've helped with an issue where the first point of contact should have been the senior (I'm the other senior there). What happened is that someone from a different department came straight to me for advice, basically ignoring her. I gave this person an advice and that's it. Still they tell me I should've just pointed to the senior and not said a thing. I told them - trying to use logic - that I only gave an advice, and that no decisions were made, that they will have to make that anyway. I'd say that basically the senior was upset that she got skipped and people asked me for help. After I told them my side of the story they just kept on repeating the same stuff. Part of me wanted to continue the argument and repeat what I said in a calm way but the larger part of me said that you don't really care about what they say and you just want to get out of the meeting room and do anything more productive. So I just said 'Ok' 3 times and they let me go. I don't know if there was a better way to handle it.
Vitamin_Red 8y ago
Unrelated, but do you have an advice on accounting as a major? How stable of a career is it, the pay, your personal experiences, etc.
Also, is it a wise chlice to major in it if you are a minority (black especially). Seems to be an extremely white dominant field.
FinancialMagus 8y ago
I'd suggest building relationships up and down the accounting department even in silos you don't have a lot of direct access. Compliment people, show some interest, say hi and smile and generally be cordial. This will work for about 95% of corporate America situations. The other 5% you either fucked up or the person you are dealing with is a psycho and do your best to avoid them including a new company if really needed. If people like you, they generally won't get upset at you and you can even let the manager know that you think so and so may need more coaching and wasn't sure how to approach them so came to you. Most people will appreciate that.
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You're paid to follow instructions, not have an opinion.
Your logic was founded on flawed presuppositions.
Make your money. Go home. Find ways to make money without answering to someone else.
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Sarky1992 8y ago
Thank you. I like the option to say I made the decision for my own reasons and ending the drama there. They might escalate and try to create more drama, but it's still worth it if I don't have to listen to them crying about nothing for minutes.
SnowMonkeyCracker 8y ago
Don't try to "use logic" in a bureaucracy; it will only drive you insane. If senior management want something done a certain way, give it to them. So next time some asks for advice, politely say, "I would love to help but questions like that need to go to X".
Sarky1992 8y ago
Thank you. While I understand your point, this is just something that is not me. Unfortunately I have little to no respect towards these co-workers. I've been doing the job longer than them and I'm a lot better at it. (That is why people come to me with questions instead of her). So next time someone skips them I'll just do as I see fit. If that upsets them again and they want to do a meeting about it again, then as KimJong suggested I'll say I did it my way and don't attend the meeting. I accept that this could cause more drama and I could end up being fired but I'm kinda looking at other possibilites at the moment anyways so.. I'm good.
FinancialMagus 8y ago
Who cares if you don't respect them? Corporate America game is a real skill. If someone has the ear of upper mgmt, even if they are idiots, try to go out of your way to have a cordial relationship and praise them to others when they do actually deserve it. I've had some of those schlubs end up getting me some key projects with board and CEO visibility because they saw me as an ally even though I laughed at their incompetence internally
tinydickbigballs 8y ago
I've been RP aware for the past 3 years since finding this sub. My SMV is for the most part, high. I was in a top fraternity in university that put me in good social groups. I'm successful in work and am getting post grad job offers for great companies. I have a superb physique and worked as a model, my style is good. I alpha male with most of my groups and most guys follow my lead and ask for my advice. I get laid plenty but it is probably only based off of looks and status... this leads me to my question.
My social skills are extremely lacking. Well, let me rephrase that. I have pretty great social skills and am extremely gifted at being able to read people's intentions and their non verbal cues. This leads me to think I'm not on any sort of autism spectrum. I just can't hold conversations, especially with women. I'm great at interviewing and networking, so my conversation skills aren't really bad, but I just don't know what to talk about in a laid back social setting. I approach women, escalate, and get laid, but I think this all comes from my looks and status. If I was an average looking guy in a room of strangers I'd have no luck. Am I just autistic or is something else going on? I'm extremely narcissistic and really don't care about having conversations with people, but it is a means to an end and I'd like to improve.
[deleted] 8y ago
Use FORD, avoid RAPE.
You don't care to talk about yourself, because peoples' opinions of you just don't matter to you. But you're aware enough that you know you need to be able to engage. So realize people love to talk about themselves. use that. Ask questions, flow the conversation. Keyword.
Like anything, it takes practice. Shoot the shit with random everyday people you encounter. Banter. Weather, small talk. You'll note there is an ebb and flow to it.
Michael_Negron 8y ago
You answered your own question [narcissism].
tinydickbigballs 8y ago
Yes, you're right. But even when I try, I can't have decent casual conversation. I don't know if it's because deep down I don't care or what.
I'm still succeeding and reaching my goals but I can't have a casual date at all because I can't sit down and talk for an hour. It's fine I like active dates anyway but I would like to improve this aspect of myself.
Michael_Negron 8y ago
Need to change up your questions, ask more open ended questions, find questions that you have some knowledge about so you can banter better. Do your homework, if your going on a date with someone I’m sure you’ll be insta friends. If she post pics of the beach or stupid typical Basic girl shit like “missing vacay” etc ask her things she about where’s she’s been, ideal vacation spots, etc etc or if she post gym pics, ask questions that can’t be answered with a yes or no.
Even if you don’t care, pretend you do, also you may be primary talking to girls who have shit personality.
AllgBeamtenrecht 8y ago
ok guys i think i fucked up here. to make it short, i was too much of an asshole to my LTR, too cocky, too indifferent.
she kept it up because she sees me as high value but it is messing with her. she had a total breakdown some days ago. "why are you with me?" "i feel so lonely, you dont see me at all..." sobbing, falling into a kind of depressive state not only when she is with me, but in general. it really gets to her, she cant even eat properly anymore. she is questioning everything now and became ultra-insecure.
i think i stressed TRP too much and tried too hard to push my masculine polarity on top of my already narcisstic personality. i KNOW she is throwing a comfort test in my direction, a very big one. and i am willing to oblige because i love her and want to keep her and hate to see her fall into pieces like this.
gentlemen, how do i comfort her, how do i make her feel "special", in a self-respectable way? i will not buy her flowers or gifts or say romantic things, because that is not me and i don't think it is helpful.
any ideas?
SeaRepeat 8y ago
I tell you my uncle secret, give her a small romantic episode ... I mean some slow dancing and shit like that ,,, gonna balance her feelings, without much investment ... then go back to the old days and repeat when needed.
Woodie327 8y ago
GIVE her a good dicking. It's not how they feel, it's HOW MUCH.
AllgBeamtenrecht 8y ago
i am with her since two years and the sex is and has always been exceptional. fucking doesn't do it here, unfortunately
FirstNamesMusic 8y ago
Dawg, you just have to say why you're with her once. Just say some gay shit, like "I really enjoy your companionship, blah blah etc etc." Once.
If she keeps up the act after that she's just shit testing your frame.
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
Have you ever seen Taxi Driver? I'm talking about the part where the 14-yr-old runaway (Jody Foster) is turned into a prostitute by the pimp (Harvey Keitel), then she starts having doubts about the life and wants to go home, so he totally plays her and tells her how special she is, how she's his girl, lights candles, slow dances LOLOLOL. And she's back.
Naw I'm just kidding you don't have to do that. Let me tell you two stories, one is about me the other about my nephew.
Goddam I wish I could go back and get back the untold hours I spent trying to comfort this woman when she did the shit you are talking about. You have to do a little bit, just state your case, tell her what you gave up to be with her etc., and if she's not calmed down (I'm talking about 5 minutes or less), you give her the look that says "babe you're asking for too much here, this crying and shit is getting real old." Don't say that, just be done talking and give her that look.
If you keep going with the comforting she's just going to want more and more of it. Not fun. I did all that comfort shit for a few years (so stupid), then I switched to the above. She's happy with it.
Other story, this is for /u/im_not also: my nephew was a real stud, got with a beautiful sorority girl in college. They were together for a few years after college and I saw her get more and more depressed as he kept putting off the wedding. There was HUGE normative pressure from her family, and his friend group wasn't pushing back--I was the only one in his life asking him "WHY are you getting married?" He had no answer.
She moped around, she cried, he comforted her, she cried some more. Finally he gave in, they got married. At the wedding I hallucinated that he had a pie plate mask with eyeholes cut out, and she had blood dripping out of her mouth. I had to leave the room.
Then, within 18 months, it was HIS turn to get depressed; then they had a kid, she kicked him out of the house. A year later, he's dead of a drug overdose. All because he gave in and comforted her, with the ultimate comfort, the big wedding, the kid, the house.
altheman0767 8y ago
This felt like a black mirror episode.
420KUSHBUSH 8y ago
Good God man that last story was so rough. My condolences
whatsthisgarg 8y ago
He went from stud to dud, dad to dead. I think I'm allowed some gallows humor here.
420KUSHBUSH 8y ago
Aye, don't take life seriously