Coming out of a relationship from 21-26 and now playing the field for ~3 years it's clear to me that the type of women I'm most attracted to/stimulated by (HB8+/charming/outgoing/adventurous) have been going from guy-to-guy since the ripe age of 16. At first it bothered me a lot, but as I heard the same slutty stories over and over & as my own partner count grew, I started to become more and more desensitized to it. Currently I rank them on a scale from slut to mega-slut and find that I defacto avoid the mega sluts simply because of the fact that they fail on other criteria.
The concept of any woman being special has been torn to pieces, some just have more to offer/are more compatible with me than others, but on a fundamental level they are all capable of the same degeneracy/hamsterization. I still vet them, with the understanding that the only purpose of it is to screen for a high probability that they fall in line with my expectations of them.
I've adopted a very practical mentality which is to maximize what I'm getting out of my commitment (as I see plating just as a means to an end).
Only consider top tier attractive women for commitment who treat me like a king, agreeable, stay in shape, kinky/unlimited sex, loyal etc. I make my boundaries/expectations clear and if they start to slack for whatever reason in terms of the return I get on my commitment, I just start spinning plates again until a new girl appears who meets my standards and repeat.
All of this btw is with the goal in mind of some day having kids. Marriage is off the table so will figure out how to slightly tweak things when the time comes.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
AWALT = all women have same biological hardware, evolutionary drivers
AWALT ≠ same software. Women have different upbringings, values, goals, and characterstics
You don't reconcile your commitment off hardware, you reconcile your commitment off of compatibility, chemistry, and shared values (software) while understanding that you need to stay in good shape and frame for her AWALT (hardware)
Lot of you guys don't understand what AWALT is and isn't
GeorgeIII 1 1w ago
Well said here.
I’d add that the main way you reconcile AWALT is: you don’t give out commitment easily.
If women really are all that way, then you know committing is only worth it when you find that rare (but not only one) gem who makes sense for you.
Why would you commit to an ordinary woman, if you can only commit to one at a time)?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1w ago
Yup
Also, what is an ideal match for one man may be a horrible match for another
Guys get too in the weeds about what is a mystical gem criteria.
mattyanon Admin 1w ago
It looks like you're reconciling it pretty well. No marriage is a good start.
Musicgoon78 3 1w ago
What's to reconcile? She's a human female. Once you date enough you're going to realize that women have the same sex drive as men, but easier access.
Most of the guys around here have unrealistic expectations that the girl for then will have a notch count of -12 and be a complete nymphomaniac with them only.
Sexuality and monogamy are complicated with many nuances. You can strive for perfection, but sooner or later you have to accept some things that are less than perfect.
First-light 2 1w ago
Good reply.
"I want her to be very beautiful and very chaste. I then want her to throw it all away and be a mega slut for me, treating me like a king, even though I am of lower SMV and do not personally hold any values that would encourage chastity"
Hugo_The_Great 1w ago
Yep I was 100% one of those, mainly because I lost my virginity at 21 and then was in a 5 year LTR immediately after and really lacked any frame of reference for the stuff most hot young women do.
Saw someone on TRP write that 90% of hot women have large bodycounts. Especially true for the extroverts as they're constantly offered dick since like 14 years old. The 10% that don't are super shy/religious/constantly in LTRs and you'll never come across them in the dating/hookup scene.
First-light 2 1w ago
She would have to have a good reason not to want to be like that.
AWALT is one way of putting it. Women will get away with what the hive lets them get away with. You would need to give her enough motivation to not be like that. Finding an equal trade in the SMV is integral to this. Overall it has to be an attractive offer to her long term and she needs to be someone who has a long term view to herself. Someone who is less slutty may well have a more long term view but then you still have to make her a good deal long term -offer her a future she wants to buy into and be able to deliver it.
It still might not work out. Particularly because people can develop in different ways as life goes by. But then if you have not married like you suggest and if you have done all you can to protect your wealth and future access to your kids you have done your best and won't be any more burnt than you have to be in this current social climate.
You do your honest best and whatever happens, happens.
SwarmShawarma 1w ago
I'd say today hive plays a role of a mommy daddy family, but have only one purpose: to be an enabler.
I am trying custom approach to that.
She ought to provide me the hive members on a silver platter for sex. She doesn't have to and still will get sex and "human to human respect", but no promise of anything more.
I reserved a right to ask for any friend.
There is many surrounding reasons and topics but the core is that.
Over the years I have seen many topics covering how hive is fucking with men lives. I thought, can I exploit hive instead of being exploited. That was the only obvious solution. Like anything else it doesn't have to work, but it's value added and brings some fun if not done in a dramatic manner.
First-light 2 1w ago
What in your experience is the key to succeeding with this approach?
SwarmShawarma 1w ago
Itbis like buying used car and HOPING it won't break even after you run checks, took it to mechanic.
It won't work for every woman, she has to be invested, I'm trying to be easy about it but demanding (go figure), require sacrifices for not completing the task, essentially many adjustments, separately I provide rewards and incentives (think about candy crush, social media etc), I'm trying to keep a positive ratio of good and bad interactions, keep it fun and positive about her performance in 3sex, keeping it fun and positive about 2sex but also picking her nice attributes and making ridiculous (not true) lighthearted comments about them but keeping overall comments very positive (where these features are a part), being honest - sometimes brutal- but avoiding plowing on sanctities like church and family but rather flipping it slowly (church: I'm a god, god is a personification of many good men, I'm the god but there might be another god for you if you want to find another one better suiting yourself - this idea was formed from a former experience and women being absolved from sins by cucks-priests...)(I don't try to subvert her belief in family but rather encourage ultimate trust, despite there being some small traumas, as me - maybe becoming a family should get the same highest trust but at the same time I will call out negative traits in her family not as something bad but something that her parents would like her to learn from if they could talk to her honestly without the ego defences, but I let her know to excuse them for being just people that are not perfect but the best she can find)...
I'm making hive demands blunt. No excitement, no comments about how cute they are, but I am blunt that fatties etc don't get pass, but don't exclude them completely, well I don't even exclude her gay friend to suck my dick to keep it in danger zone, as gays are part of the hive).
Key... They are all key.
I just don't talk about 1 \quite important key now which is part of her sacrifice if she does not perform. Its not hard but is significant.
The way I want it is: She should have a healthy family bond, but If I'm going to end it I should experience many side benefits even if emotionally it will hurt.
I'm aware that her family might also be fucked but that is the risk I'm taking as there has to be something she can anchor to, and if her family is much fucked then that would proly not work anyway.I have also a plan to make her parents never work against me if that would progress further , but that is a far and a very uncertain plan.