DISCLAIMER: MID-TO-LONG POST. I HADN'T WRITTEN ABOUT THIS GIRL BECAUSE NOTHING WAS HAPPENING UNTIL RECENTLY. I TRIED TO KEEP IT DETAILED. FEEL FREE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING.
I (37) met this trio of women from the building adjacent to mine on the 3 building residence I live in. They live on floor 3, Mother (+60), two gosh darn hot daughters, one is 30 (HB8) and the younger one is about 27 (HB8.5). I had seen them around, always together coming from the gym and around nighttime during my workouts. One day they come to me, we start chatting, I notice they are inquisitive about my romantic status mostly after a few conversations. Around the 3rd encounter (very sporadic always, until this January 1st, I'll explain later) I notice the younger, very hot surgeon girl just doesn't show much interest in chatting and I'm left with the Mom and the 30yo. They end up asking me for my whatsapp and instagram. Very sporadic and they initiate always. I've been around so much bullshit that I don't expect anything anymore. For me,so far,t It is never what I think it is until her mouth wrapped around my dick, or my dick is in her pussy. If it is not in that frame, then they're just playing around with expectations. I am 99% right lately with this.l
This post will be about the 30yo girl, let's call her Farrah, this girl held public office as a councilman or something for 4 years, her family founded a small time political party, and she is very self-centered, likes to talk about herself a lot but I do work around that by talking about myself, and she goes with that flow actually, so there's plenty of conversation on both sides. As a lawyer and "politician" I know these people are full of shit and like to lie liberally, on their personal life, who knows. As I said self-centered, somewhat wealthy, very beautiful, has used botox once, somewhat discreet, used to attention from thirsty betas. Christian family, never alone, always with her mom and sis, everywhere. haven't seen her with another man but me :). And doesn't seem to be a party girl. Very traditional and simple, like most people where I live, this is not America so try to see this in that context, no hookup culture, ONSs, even D.apps have low use.
I am always gaming, as I have only a few women as loved close friends, so I never showed interest in anything but getting in romance and sex, but her mom is always around, and this girl starts liking my instagram stories and sending me stuff on the DMs, like "looking thin" (I've lost weight), when I cook something great she tells me "invite me! give me some". Her comments when we met by chance are always "you smell good, you look so thin, looking good" and stuff. Clarity low and bullshit high though.
One of my first convos early on was me calling her "Bella" (like a soft "cutie"), she replied with a blushed face and after a few words she said "NEXT" in caps, and of course, I wasn't butthurt but I could see the bullshit attitude and her just being awkward for a beautiful woman. So I started talking about my brother who is a successful dentist and a loser, and told her I'd introduce him to her, she just said "Ok".However, the amount of clarity with this girl (and anyone below 30 lately) is of about 2%. After this first convo, I branded her a BS girl and decided to not chase, and let this story unfold, because I just lost all interest. Serious, well-intentioned girls? Not this one.
I retreat, I kept dating someone else for a few dates, then ditched her and focused on some work stuff (Success and $$$!) until Half december when I started my vacation. During all this time (since late september), Farrah kept the DMs, liking my stories and asking me to invite her when I post my cooking, but I always reject after her bullshit, having understood she wants to be an idiot and probably sees me as Beta Billy idiot for some reason I haven't projected.. As long as I'm active on Insta, she shows up. But as I said, sometimes things are not what they seem, and the amount of clarity with these bitches lately is extremely low. Recently she asked for my whastapp because she wanted to invite me to her church group and I declined saying I have my own individual spiritual practice.
For December 31st I made this particulary successful Lasagna, the whole process was on my IG stories and she commented again, I thought It was a good idea cause I felt very proud and eager to share the big ass lasagna. Her mom is a nice and happy person too.So on December 1st I take some to her building's main door. I thought it would be just giving her the lasagna and back home, I love cooking and I legit wanted to share.
VISIT 1: To my surprise she invites me in, and I get on the short elevator ride. I instantly, as if possessed by the gods of sexual and romance intuition (and fucking scarcity too) caress her face and tell her she looks sleepy (she had taken some time to arrive), she just smiles and says she was just getting ready. We get in the apartment and I sit down, get served coffee,candy,fruit, water and stay there for about 3 hours. The apartment smells of incense and sweet honey, as a woman's apartment should hehe. During this time, I was just in the living room, talking to her and her mom, little time alone with her , but as I understand this is a (more than average) christian family I thought this was their protocol for meeting the girl's mom, so I already know I'm not getting much time alone with Farrah. However I notice the mom likes me, because we keep talking about spiritual and esoteric stuff which I'm into, so I stay just to show off (and practice) my conversation and social skills with a group,under some pressure, not thinking I could be in her room with her or something (sadly). I show off my new tattoos, talk about work, and basically all they asked for, iike I'm getting scanned by this traditional christian family, part of life. I don't mind, I can get along with anyone and they're still great neighbors, so there's plausible deniability too.
Highlights of the visit: I'm not shy about Kino , so I keep touching her shoulders, sitting closer to her in the living room, her leg and after an hour they are laughing a lot at the jokes and all I say. When alone with her at the table and the mom is washing the dishes I get close, she shows me something on the cell phone and I grab the phone and her hand to see closer, and I notice a very brief,soft and shy caress on my hand. The mom walks in and interrupts. This lady is pleasant,happy, it is her apartment but the cockblocking skills are 9/10, and the timing is 10/10. Fuckin hell. We actually agree to another visit, just to get my container back.
We talk some more on whatsapp at 2am because of the political turnmoil here (Venezuela), she just laughs at my jokes and remarks, plenty of "jajajajaj", which is nice anyways, not boring is good. THe following day she mentions she is talking a walk with her mom and I tell her to try the seafood there and tell me how it was. She replies with "Ujum", I was out shopping, so when I get home 3 hours later I ask her "What is Ujum?" and she tells me, that "yeah we'll see.We should go with you". I reply with "I agree, I'm free this week". And that's it.
Yesterday night (December 6) , I go to pick up my container again, and again I get invited in, this time she seems a bit more distant but IDGAF, and keep on my Kino and eye contact, she never acts uncomfortable. This last visit is more and more interesting, and not in a black or white way, just grey, which is why I write this post. More conversation with her and the mom, lots of laughter and convo about politics. Again I get invited some dinner and I agree, delicious too. Dinner was fast and we talk some more. Questions and attempts to tease are frequent, but always end up in me making them laugh, for reasons, I am used to pressure and being under fire. I should be the fucking politician hehehe
I sit close to Farrah on the big U shaped couch. This time the mom is in the kitchen for a bit, so we just talk with my deep eye contact and Kino. This time, I do my kino but she gently just cuts it, not uncomfortably, and sometimes moves away slowly. I decide not to go too thirsty and chase too hard because of the cockblocker nearby and no privacy really. But I kino,anyways. As this is 2026, she abruptly stops listening to me for some work stuff on the phone, which she shows me the texts of,it is a client asking for some paperwork, and at the same time jokingly asking her to marry her and to keep all his property. She tells me the type of guy she has to deal with and I just tell her "wow,you must deal with a lot of those hehe". Convo gets interrupted by cockblocker.
She sits further,next to her mom that had walked in, and we talk. After dinner the mom leaves for about an hour and we chat alone in english (im a teacher),which she seems interested in, and she has a big smile while hearing me talk, she understands but speaks little. Then, she starts asking about my "girlfriend", and I ask her "why? lol", and I avoid talking about her or my "womanizing" vibes, which they both had told me I give. I am not at all, I've been failing since 2020 lol. But I keep the mystery and avoid talking like a prick,mentioning i am not like that. While alone, I keep kino and she gently moves away, I choose to mess around with her and take off her hair claw and mess with her hair (I felt like pulling it a little and maybe grab her by the neck, but too sexy for the lack of privacy). So we just look at each other, and she changes the conversation, with her hair all over the place, and goes into my instagram on her phone, she wants to look for my exGF and I mention I don't keep pictures of exGFs on my insta. I tell her to stop stalking my account (she tells me she loves doing that) and she starts liking old pictures, telling me how great I looked a while back (my prime). Then she starts talking about her ex, she mentions 3 serious LTRs and talks about the last one, where after on-off for 6-7 years he wanted to marry her and move to the US, but the was focused on her career, didn't want kids and marriage and was losing interest in him as well. But HE chose to break up,and she is now butthurt, wanting revenge and him to suffer.Yes she used those words, she wants him to chase her and she wants to reject him lol. Keep reading, more on this.
I immediately felt the need to switch the convo, because of the friend-zone vibes I was getting, so I start talking about little old me, and what I'm looking for, like I'm not closed to meeting girls, I focus on my career, I haven't found anything serious since my LTR (she doesn't know i'm divorced), and I mention my fiery 4 month relationship, my last girlfriend. I mention that since 2018 I haven't had a serious GF agreement, just to throw in, now that we're alone, that I don't commit easily, I have a hard time just falling in love and giving my affection until the girl deserves it, specially mentioning I don't care about listening about ex-bfs. We talk more, I kino some more, I know I must let her hamster work things out for her and I leave after saying bye to mom. When I leave I am distant, because I felt the friend zone vibes and I felt way repelled by that,ugh, so I just say bye and leave. The following convo (translated to eng) was 30min after I got home:
ME: Hello I really liked the conversation today, I got to know you a bit more Buuuuuuut I think I don't want to be in a Friend-zone, it is not my thing and I get those vibes from you
HER: ❤️❤️❤️❤️ ??? I don't understand
ME: You tell me if that's the case, I respect that but it isn't my thing
HER: You've been hitting on me?
ME: No, not yet I've refrained from it so far because of that (friend zone)
HER: Then I don't understand
ME: I just want you to understand that the only dumb/silly/stupid/ (translation) thing about me is my little face :) But I observe and read people a lot, I read you buddy
HER: But I didn't know there was another intention
ME: Not from me As I've said, I have refrained from it because I don't give my affection so easily I'd rather you know this now before it turns uncomfortable For my part,it has been nice I think it is inappropiate if only one person is interested
HER: I don't understand (they keep telling me this though, I am speaking spanish here,very clearly so) You don't have intentions of anything else?
ME: For now, my intention is to know yours Before I put too much emotion on things It's not hard for me to be kind and friendly at all
HER: As I told you I am in a process (about her ex, more on this later) Not hard for me either (to be friendly) And I love sharing with you My intention is normal,to get to know you, be friends, i don't know
ME: (on the sharing thing) I share that feeling, it is nice Well I will let you know me (on her intention) That is why I text you
HER:❤️❤️❤️❤️
ME: If your invitation stil holds, we can go for that walk (to the place with the seafood)
HER: Of course
ME: But put a date on it, because these days I've been busy with errands
HER: It'll have to be soon (at this time it was close to 12:30am, and they were sleepy when I left but I reminded them about my container which they had forgotten all about lol, main reason for the visit, so I guess that's what the brief texts were about)
ME: Of course. Good night -END-
(Emojis, jajaja's, whatever, text lately has become a shit show. What used to be good indicators are now bullshit. Specially those hearts lol.When in person,when push comes to shove, it is like they said nothing)
My question: What are your insights? What am I missing here? I feel many things but this is kind of sudden too, from this chick and this type of wooing or whatever the fuck is going on.It seems to me after last night texts that I have reframed the whole thing, which I always try to do anyways, because of Rian Stone anyways. Specially if the initial frame, whether hers or mine, is shit. . I am focused on my career, and I know she is too, so meeting and just spending a few hours together a week doesn't sound bad. BUT, I need to get rid of the cockblocking.And I also know that, should this next outing happen, it will be with the chaperone mom. It is good pracice for me,and I don't think i'm wasting time since I've spent much time alone these last few years. But my intention is to fuck her right now after that walk, there is either no next date or a date just with her and me, where I can lead properly, if the mom is there is because she is her anti slut mechanism. I will answer my own questions now:
-My insights:
-She told me about her revenge intentions, they broke up around July. Thanks to him for leaving a hurt girl who is now looking for revenge sex it seems, because that is why I am offering right now for her wounded ego.I must take advantage of this somehow, and I already stated I'm not looking for a GF right away, i'm not in a hurry so yeah, this looks like a nice opportunity. -During the convo, I mentioned that I didn't know women lie (jokingly) and she told me she is not 27 but 30, and she said women lie a lot, I asked how they balance it out and she didn't know how to reply for a second, so she just said by being nice. -I have noticed a lot of plausible deniability, and now I know why (recent breakup that is getting older too) -They are a christian family, she was a small time public figure for 4 years, polititians are trash but i've not met many, and honest-to-god hard workers are the only trash I've known so far lol. Everyone seems trash to me lately anyways. So I do not believe she is into the Cock-carousel ways and also, it is not common at all in my country and city. Hookup culture is very american and we're far down south in the caribbean, pretty boring actually, as I could be more succesful in that environment, she, her mom and 70% of the people I know keep telling me I sound and look like I'm not from here (I don't feel i is in a good way yet,given my results) sigh -My initial thoughts about the friendzoning was "this is just a bored bitch, fuck this, i have better things to do". Then I decided to give the girl a chance to talk, cause I was just about to cut it all off, as I am used to doing lately, since all i find is big NOs situations everywhere. I need to change that perspective, and give emotions a chance to develop.
-What am I missing? the things you will tell me. I hate the lack of clarity and sperg levels of plausible deniability. So I'm the one having to state the obvious. I agree I should lead the conversation more, but since I have already shown interest from the beggining and her first convo was the words "NEXT (like the tv show)" then what the fuck does she expect lol. I'm not lying about refraining from going all in, and I was right about it after hearing ther exbullshit story. I need to isolate this chick, and have her just for me, alone, at least in public because 30 seconds in the elevator are not enough.

Musicgoon78 3 10h ago Stickied
JFC... Learn to summarize bro. I started skimming and then simply stopped. If you have success with other women why the fuck do you have to write out this encyclopedia about this girl?
I can tell by this wall of text that I didn't read, that you're making a big deal out of stupid shit. Here's my answer: if it's not quick and relatively easy to get with this girl find another one. I don't think any woman is worth this type of writing investment.
Some of the guys in here have lives and don't want to feel like you gave them a chore to read this drivel.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 10h ago
Exactly.
MrSupreme 9h ago
Indeed, It got too detailed for sure. Haven't written in a while and I really need to summarize.
Other women are nowhere to be found right now, only work and home. Nothing else,sadly. Scarcity is the real bitch here.
GeorgeIII 1d ago
A bit of word vomit, but thanks for the detail anyway.
One thing that struck me from what you wrote is that there wasn’t any mention of her dad (correct me if I missed it). Assuming he isn’t in the picture for the usual bs (divorce, mom wasn’t happy, mom got P&D’ed), you should assume nothing about them being Christian, not riding the carousel, etc. Think about all the dumb single moms in the west who call themselves Christian, yet do nothing that Christian people are supposed to do. And sadly for you OP, that includes thinking this chick hasn’t been on the CC.
I’ve never been to Venezuela, but if they are really supposed to be more traditional, think about it: a single mom whose daughters are around wall age and don’t even have BFs, let alone husbands. This doesn’t add up to traditional at all. In fact, if you hadn’t mentioned that it’s LatAm, I would’ve guessed you were in the US. That goes for the dating apps too. And anything about being remotely chaste.
As for the mom cockblocking you. First, if Farrah really wants to be alone with you, she won’t make it that hard. She’s 30 fucking years old, and has already had a BF, she isn’t 12. I don’t think this is really going anywhere, and you probably are in friend zone territory.
There’s also another potential issue here with the mom, related to the above. If she is a single mom and feels bitter about it, she is likely to sabotage whatever her younger, hotter daughters have out of envy. Which also doesn’t help you.
Last, your text convo is WAY too overt. That was exactly the opposite of plausible deniability. A smarter play when you sense FZ vibes would be to just pull away and not say anything. The way you did it looks butthurt, and just not smooth at all. Now she knows you are interested and doesn’t have to have sex with you to keep that interest.
I’d probably drop this scene. There might be some cultural stuff I’m missing, as I am based in the US. But this looks like a pretty typical waste of time situation for you. You don’t even seem to be getting the benefit of a non-western girl, as there’s too much single mom, empowered woman bs.
MrSupreme 1d ago
Let's just say I can sort between the US (english countries) based stuff in TRP and what I, as a latino in LatAm have lived after discovering TRP 10 years ago. Some things are just not found here, like the cock carousel girls.Sure,they like to act like mean wild girls that have a bodycount of +200 at 25, but after digging and getting to know them, they've never had ONSs, only a 2 year relationship at 22.Getting female friends in my friend group has been enlightening.
And sorry for the mess hehe, been a while since I write something here.
I'm still devoting some time to my cock before I start work again.But the scene where I live has been fucking awful, I even stopped thinking that the problem is me, and found out how awkward this place has turned into, i won't go deep on that.
No expectations from this girl,I am glad to be out tbere and at least doin something with someone.Once I'm alone with her, I'll be fully free to do whatever i want, and i will judge much better on the situation. Sometimes they just need to be asked out,like I have to do now.
GeorgeIII 1d ago
Just to be clear, as long as you are only trying to fuck, riding the cock carousel isn’t necessarily a problem. It’s just that if she was a CC rider and she isn’t jumping on your dick quickly, then you know it’s time to move on.
Sounds good OP. Let me know how it goes. All of it. How it goes when you isolate (or that you don’t manage to and why).
And I’m definitely interested in hearing about why she is still not married, and where her dad is. This could be a great red pill learning moment about foreign women. People in RP and passport bro circles tend to be naive about non-western women, so I’d love to hear about how this one goes.
MrSupreme 22h ago
I will, she agreed to go out this weekend for that walk a few moments ago.
GeorgeIII 1d ago
And one other thing: I don’t recommend engaging someone that much on Insta. I personally am too much of a sperg on text, and texting more just opens me up to chances to make a mistake. Plus, you lose mystery and things to talk about if you DM too much. Though it seems like your cooking posts are at least sort of working.
Remember, Insta for girls is the equivalent PornHub for guys. We men watch porn for the release of hot women without dealing with actual women. Women go there for attention from men without having to deal with actual men. How many girls are trying to engage you by sending nudes or porn of themselves? Probably not many, and for a good reason. It doesn’t help them. Instagram isn’t 1:1 the same and useless for men, but remember who really benefits the most on Insta. Hint: it isn’t men.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 11h ago
Many guys will have this issue thus why the common advice for newbies is to stick to texting for logistics only when possible.
And good observation on social media - it is literally a form of porn for women.
MrSupreme 1d ago
Insta is trash, but it gives you presence if you look at your account like marketing, I am trying to move it a bit more and see what comes out. I ended up in this girl's home just by posting my lasagna stories
Give it a try maybe.
SpiritualEnema 1d ago
Clarifying the status of a relationship (or non-relationship in this case) is the woman’s job. This is where you messed up. I also would not have mentioned not having a relationship since 2018. Her hamster was likely doing cartwheels trying to figure out what is wrong with you. Desirable men have women chasing them for commitment, a seven year gap either labels you as a player, or undesirable.
At this point it’s probably a lost cause. If you choose to pursue this further, although I don’t know why you would, I would be very aloof about your intentions. Let her chase you, if she even wants to anymore.
MrSupreme 1d ago
I am very close to just doing that, but I need to isolate first, need some time by myself with this one, and getting her out of her confort zone too. Aloof,yes.Uninterested on some fine ass,nope
Vermillion-Rx Admin 23h ago
Bro I can tell you like immediately without even seeing the rest of the post that she either isn't interested enough, you fumbled something very basic, and that you should move on
Will follow up to see if I'm right
If you have to make a long post about a woman who isn't your wife or long time girlfriend you are cooked and it's over
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 11h ago
It's so predictable we could just set up a bot that measures how many paragraphs a post has and its word count, and just spit out a generic template response, and it would be correct far more often than not.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11h ago
Don't forget the "she/her" counter if we had one
@redpillschool
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11h ago
Yes the accuracy would be absurdly high
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 10h ago
On posts like these, I give the OP quick, cursory skim, then wait a day or two and just read the comments.
No-Stress-Cat 23h ago
My favorite part of the story:
You sound like a fun guy. Makes me wonder what she would do if she saw you having lasagna with another hot chick.
MrSupreme 22h ago
I'm a pragmatist, partner. Deep fried lasagna is on the list for sure.
First-light 2 16h ago
I don't think you are missing anything. There just isn't anything much there to find.
She is used to attention. She is a politician. Has held political office. She likes to win people over. She was too focused on her career to move to the US with her man. She is self self self. One of your first impressions of her was that she was very self centred. It looks to me like you were right.
If she wanted to she would have.
Same applies to the mother. She has a 30 year old daughter on her hands. If she considered you as a potential son in law, she would be send you two off alone together. This is not an innocent, unworldly 16 year old virgin, who needs protecting from players. This is a daughter who needs a mate, soon.
They like the attention, when they want it. That's all. It is just possible that she might at some point want the attention of your dick but this would be a bad result for you as your mind has already been captured by a smile and you would then be well and truly fucked with. She is never going to love anyone but herself. She is also never going to be doing anyone but herself a favour unless she gets more for the favour than she gives.
Go all in and 80% you get nothing, 10% you get some dates and no sex, 10% you get some sex but her heart is not in it and your get your brain scrambled with oneitis when she cools off soon (judging by the length of your post this is a genuine risk here).
This is a barren field to cultivate. She loves only herself and if she wanted you she would be going out and getting the thing she wanted not avoiding your repeated attempts.
pofkaf 1 11h ago
Jesus Christ. You have strong one-itis. The fact that you wrote a novel about this particular chick indicates that. And everything you wrote comes off as very beta. No wonder her interest has fallen off a cliff.
Here's what you need to do.
Soft next her. Do not interact with her unless she initiates...and only then, keep it brief and flirty. This is essential. You HAVE TO soft next her.
Then you have to fuck other women. This is also essential. Fill up your free time with dates and hookups. This has a two-fold purpose: one, it alleviates your oneitis, and two, it signals to this woman that you're desirable.
Then I can almost guarantee that she will reapproach you with steingsr sexual intention. At that point it'll be up to you whether you want to pursue a sexual relationship with her or not. In all fairness, you might have gotten over her by that point. The goal isn't to attract her specifically, but to make yourself attractive to women in general.
Follow these two steps and you'll be much better off. Trust me; I've been there, done that before.
MrSupreme 9h ago
I think there's a difference between Oneitis and just knowing ONE WOMAN in your life. Which is the case here. I had to cut off contact with a girl that just wanted to be around me a week or so ago. Now there's this bitch.
I see no women, literally, anywhere. I MAY approach outside on the mall once a week, if i see someone I like.But taking numbers from cashiers hasn't done anything for me. I start work next week and I won't have much time for this. Dating apps are a dead end for sure.
There's more nuance to this than the usual TRP terms guys. Oneitis? Scarcity makes it so that I barely meet one bitch every now and then. Who the fuck else am I gonna write about?
EDIT: I mean, plate theory? I have one cardboard plate here at a time lol. I've done that before, worked great. Post-covid the market changed a lot.