Went on a date with a girl I met at a bar. Got drinks, paid for it. Went bar hopping. K-closed, kino, hand holding, etc. suggested to listen to music at her place because she lives alone. But she had her friend over so she said she can’t.
Now a week later I suggest a second date. This time cooking food at her place with some wine. She shit tests saying “hmm cooking where exactly”. I tell her at her place as long as she keeps her hands to herself.
She replies saying she doesn’t think we’re there yet. And it’s too early to invite me to her place.
Not sure if she’s interested in fucking but just takes a date or two more, or just uninterested and using me as a provider or for long term prospects.
Either way I’m planning to leave her on read or just a quick acknowledge message.

Jackmoter 5h ago
She doesn't sound keen for your level of investment. You can either slow play her or find someone who will match your level.
Lone_Ranger 3 1h ago
Is she trying to get me to be a provider?
Tbh - this is a stupid question. All women would like all men to be providers.
It's like a woman asking another woman 'I went out on a date with a guy, now he wants a second date - do you think he wants to fuck me?'
If she can, she will pivot you into an orbiter than pays for her and entertains her.
Women let guys fuck them when they believe that is the only way to get A&V from them (attention and validation). They 'pay' a high price (sex) for a guy that they perceived as high value, and they pay a very low price (no sex) for a guy that they think is low value.
Sadly, you have already hurt your chances very seriously by paying for drinks all night long with her. She has already categorised you as beta. Tbh - you did it to yourself.
What I would do now - is this - text her back and say 'You're not ready?? Let me know when you are ready..... you have my number"
And then just leave it at that. no further contact. if she comes back to you (she might), then you know its odds on. If she doesn't, then it wasn't going to happen.
dreams 8m ago
I disagree. I think she wants him to be who he is while allowing her to probe and find out who he is.
Women want both the alpha as well as the provider.
Also, paying for drinks is okay. It doesn't mean too much really, unless it comes along with unbridled domination on her part.
If she knows you're in control of the relationship but you opt to pay for the drinks because that's the socially acceptable thing to do, that's cool. But if she's already dominating the relationship and you choose to pay for her drinks you just sink even lower.
While the brunt of your advice is on track, I'd adjust the anger levels down a bit.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Even if she was. Just say you two aren't compatible and wish her well.
This is such a waste of time. You didn't give her tingles drop her and move on.
universitythrowaway 1d ago
Appreciate it. Trying to find the perfect balance of tingles and comfort because I’m trying to push for more plates and not ONS. Should have done more of that on the first date
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
No problem
Also I haven't seen a should I question in a few posts so flair removed, thank you
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Uh....
No. Its more of a vibe not game or qualifications necessarily
Hard to explain. Having a great right vibe and fun is a lot more important than attraction/rapport concepts in my opinion
The right vibe will naturally increase attraction and rapport basically simultaneously
universitythrowaway 1d ago
Interesting. I notice that my vibe is like this with existing plates, kind of carefree and fun and teasing. Even with friends or female colleagues I flirt with.
I’m trying to achieve the same with girls on the first date (trying to be in the mindset as after you fuck the girl).
Any specifics you recommend for vibe?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1d ago
Definitely not giving a shit. Act like you already have them because you don't care
Tease, banter. Willing to subconsciously walk away
First-light 2 1d ago
"Hmm" and "exactly" are red flags in my opinion. They reek of superiority. They say that she is wondering whether to condescend to agreeing to be entertained by yet another so so quality thirsty male who is after her great hotness.
If she was polite or keen she would say "Oh where are you thinking of doing that?" If she then said "not ready yet", well, OK that's the deal with her, quit if you like but in this case she seems smug and superior and that suggests maybe she is to avoid.
Even if that is disregarded, there is still the fact that a woman who won't introduce you to her friends is not close to wanting you yet, (if there will be a yet).
universitythrowaway 1d ago
Thanks man. Seems like classic disinterest or playing hard to get. Going to go separate ways
GeorgeIII 23h ago
Others have already pointed out the low ioi stuff, but I’ve got something else here.
One other thing I noticed from your post: both after your date and later for cooking, you suggested her place. I see 2 issues with this.
1: Logistics. Even if her friend staying with her was a lie, she might just have a messy place or isn’t ready to have you over for some other reason.
2: Asking to go to her place for a 2nd date after she said no to you coming over before. You actually might still have been in the game. But you were done for sure once you asked the 2nd time. It makes you look too eager to go to her place, not enough plausible deniability, trying too hard to get in her bed, whatever.
See if you can figure out your logistics. She might just not have been ready for you to come to her place.
No-Stress-Cat 21h ago
Doesn't want you to come over? Red flag. The place is probably a dump, and she don't want you to see her 3 kids from her 3 baby daddys. That's why the friend is there: babysitting.
mattyanon Admin 9h ago
Don't buy drinks all night. First round sure, after that she can chip in. If not, she makes no investment. No investment = less attracted.
Girls don't want a second date if she feels she "won". She got everything, you got nothing, why would she want to change that or risk it?
You need girls investing time and some money.
Good, but the problem is you've gone from leading with paying for drinks all night to "right, now you do stuff", and she'll hate that because she's gone from winning to paying.
See, when you start paying, it is extremely easy for her to do the "make him wait for sex" game. And why not, she can play that game with 10 guys, fuck three others, and perpetually profit.
And that's the trap... "just one or two more dates".
Look, you can do so much better for yourself here.
Don't try to go from beta provider (buying drinks all night) to "now you do stuff for me". You can't lead with, and sell yourself as a provider and then expect her to do a 180. You put yourself in the provider category, and then you are asking her to provide. It just doesn't work.
Forget gratitude, it doesn't exist with women or in sex.
Better plan:
Tell her "I'll get the first round, you get the next round" as you're getting the drinks. This sets up expectation without friction and leads her into getting the next one. Don't quibble every round or every penny, but she should be contributing financially.
Girls who want to fuck you do not expect you to pay. Girls milking you for every cent will pretend that paying is part of seduction, but it really truly isn't. If she won't buy a drink or two, she has no plans to fuck you.
In her head she may feel "it's a guy's job to pay", this is her brain in provider mode. If she's in hot alpha fun sex mode, then she will not expect your money, so don't put her in that mode.
If she won't pay at all...... it's simple....... fucking NEXT. It's not a shit test, it's a non-starter.
So... first date.... no meals, shared drinks.
Second date "cook for me", so if you're playing the alpha game and you're happy for her to say "no" and ditch her. If that's acceptable to you, then do that.
If you want to fuck her, best to have a middling second date with the option of sex - ie drinks with option of your place. The absolute best plan is to meet at a bar near your house, but "just drop by my house to drop off my coat/bag". Get her quickly in and out of your house so it's easy to go back there later.
In short: don't provide. She must invest. Ditch any that won't. Smoother transition to bed.
Lone_Ranger 3 1h ago
this guy fucks. This is the best response I've seen on this post. OP listen to him.
dreams 20h ago
Is she trying to get you to be a provider?
Possibly.
You can't know for certain because there are many variables at play. What if she's a virgin? What is she's only slept with guys that she has dated? If you know she's a whore or would put out with other guys (you have to know the signs or probe her indirectly and find out), then she isn't attracted to you enough yet. It could be physical or it could be mental.
If this girl said it's too soon for that, that means pussy is on the table but prove to me you are worth fucking for free. If you can prove it to me, I'll spread my legs... if not, then I'll relegate you to provider/friend.
It's up to you to decide whether it's worth the hassle of bedding this woman. You can view it as a waste of time or you can use it as a playground for you to try to up your seduction skills. Sometimes it's easier to work with a clean slate (new girl) then it is to attract a woman into fucking you (if she already doesn't want to fuck you). Sometimes it's not.
If you have game you can turn the tides. This comes from understanding communication and what the intent is behind her messages. Communication is just a medium to exert your own power or to get dominated. When she says something like hmm cooking where exactly, you respond your place, she says it's too early for that, you say I don't think it is but okay (implying that your data points up till now with our women is that we should be fucking and if she doesn't see it that's on her.. in directly testing her and saying her calibration is off). This will push her to want to shit test you again/requalify you to see if you really are the alpha or if you just lied. It will may her more receptive to your next date and the plans you will lay out. Remember, any shit tests/communication sent your way are an opportunity for you to show that you are worth fucking.
Read up on power talk and hone up your skills.