TRP is focused on the intersexual dynamics aspect, but I haven't ever seen a solid approach on how to have kids which has been the goal since the dawn of time until recent history. Most in TRP are understandably against marriage, or having a kid with a woman, because after all men don't have the same infrastructures and rights to keep their women in check and family together. But if you really want to have kids then whats the approach?
The only thing close to an answer I've read, is the idea of surrogacy overseas where its cheaper, but its still very expensive per child, legally convoluted, and most likely robbing the child of a mother. Moving overseas to find a wife to impregnate isn't it either, I don't want my kids to be growing up as third worlders.
adam-l Moderator 10h ago Stickied
Some problems don't have solutions.
It's as you describe: having a kid with a woman is extremely risky. Having it "alone" deprives it from a mother, and is more probable to seriously mess with its psychology than not to.
Women, of course, don't have the capacity to understand that depriving a child from its father, or from an intact family, messes it up. They are slaves to their reproductive strategy, and their whole existence is run by it, to the detriment of their offspring.
Being conscious of the risks is something that generally only men can do.
The fact is that there's no other model for raising healthy children than the traditional family (husband, wife and mistress - the latter because the traditional family is boring as fuck), and that a traditional family is not feasible in a society that shits so much on it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2h ago
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Musicgoon78 3 9h ago Stickied
Having kids is a huge risk in Western society. Also, you already exist. You don't need to prove your existence to anyone by having kids.
So the first question to answer is, why do you want kids? Is it for you or are you just following societal pressure?
Second is that you *have to have game and abundance in order to have a successful family. If you can't manage a soft harem, you can't lead a family in my opinion.
We can sit by and play "what if" for several years on this subject. If you want children or a legacy, you absolutely need to be the head of the household and you need a wife that you can personally manage well. This requires a lot of experience dealing with female nature. Take it from guy that got baby trapped and massively fucked over. I learned the hard way.
cundardunfinished 11h ago
No it doesn't, that's because there isn't an answer in the world we live in. You can search and find a lot of discussion of this topic, personally I don't think the creative solutions make as much as or as practical as just rolling the dice on a traditional family. Your biggest risk is divorce rape but that can be offset somewhat by timing (not marrying during your prime earning years) or your wife having good income.
The problem with overseas is like you allude to you will have motivation to move your family to the U.S., which adds a ton of risk to you as to what your wife's motivations are. Let alone the Americanization that can take place after she arrives. I would rather deal with a typical American woman (yack), devil you know and all that.
Sometimes I'm a little jealous of friends that let one slip through when they were younger . . those kids re out of the house now. Meanwhile I have to decide which 18 year chunk of my life I'm gonna sacrifice
First-light 2 4h ago
The only solution is to take a well calculated risk. Reduce your risks but accept them. Men were born to take risk. Previous generations had war and famine, dangerous animals and bandits. We have the a cucked up state. Our risk today is actually less life threatening, its just really unfair. The unfairness is what bothers us most. you just have to accept it and minimise the risks.
All these pussies who write about how its just too dangerous are no better than the liberal women aborting their children in case they have their precious lives "ruined". Get out there and play the game boy.
Other ideas that might help in the present climate; Knock up more successful women who have more of their own assets, maker her buy half the house for example. What I never did but would recommend to a man in the right circumstances is actually lean into the cuck shit and do plenty of child care. If you are an equal or better still a main carer, she may not be able to throw you out of your house.
Do you want to be a genetic loser? Do you want other men's seed to inherit the earth? Ok, so play the game boy. Don't be scared, you will pass through the fire.
Durek_The_Bald 3h ago
Gender dynamics, and the rules of attraction, desire, and need, follow the same basic principles, regardless of the context. They are also largely what makes a family structure functional or dysfunctional.
The concept of "divorce rape" (losing a majority of your assets, and being relegated to 2nd class parent) seems to mostly be an issue in the Anglosphere (USA, Canada, UK, Australia). And even there, there are critical questions that need to be asked about the general framing of divorce typically peddled in the redpillosphere - like, for instance, how there's no protection in a prenup, because they "get thrown out of court on a regular basis".
As for "keeping your woman in check, and your family together", you can't control other people. You can only vet, have game, and make sure your ride is a good one to willingly be onboard by someone who's also a joy to have onboard. Even if there was a law that forbade your woman from leaving you, it doesn't mean you would have a good marriage, and a functional family unit. Appeal to force isn't what's going to fix your life, and make you safe (and it's the polar opposite of game).
Whenever marriage and family (and btw, you don't have to be married to have a family) is discussed in the redpillosphere, I'm always reminded of the basic nice-guy script described by Robert Glover:
"If I do everything correctly, I can have a problem free life".
It seems like the minute marriage and family is the topic of discussion, guys in the redpillosphere immediately default to their lingering nice guy scripts - only with a nihilistic spin to it: "Don't do it! It's not problem free! It's not risk free!"
Well, there's nothing in life that's risk free, and problem free. Especially when it comes to the most precious things in your life - like your kids. Your kids can get sick and die. Your kids can grow up to live unhappy lives. You might get a divorce - there's about a 50% chance of it. Life is about being prepared for risk, and dealing with problems in a healthy way when they arise. Life is not about bubble wrapping it.
You need to be secure in the knowledge that you can emotionally and legally handle the outcome of a breakup of the family unit. Or else you won't have game.
Emotionally: This is where all things red pill come into play.
Legally: Highly dependent of where you live. Consult with a lawyer before even starting a family, so you know what's going to happen to you if it doesn't work out, and what steps to take to minimise the impact.
Incel slog. Ignore it.
Correct. And besides, importing a wife doesn't absolve you of having to deal with female nature.