For context — I’m 6'2, fit, make close to seven figures, drive a supercar, own my house, and I’m often told I'm handsome (can verify all of this if it sounds like BS). I get that all of that’s superficial, but it’s what women typically say they want in an “ideal man.”
Still, I’ve got dozens of texts (unprovoked) from girls saying they had an amazing date and wanted to see me again… only to ghost or cancel right after making plans.
It’s not like I’m retarded socially or talk politics — first dates are light, fun, and easy.
I’ve even had one girl (later found out she was bipolar) confirm second date, then disappear the next day.
I don’t get it. Intimidation seems too easy an answer — and I doubt most of these women are meeting guys who check more boxes.

Seagram7 1mo ago
The Red Pill is a harsh uncomfortable truth. The biggest Red Pill is looking at yourself in the mirror and really seeing yourself. What you listed above isnt a bad boy that women want to satisfy their feral lust with, it's a provider's resume. The height and looks are just an added bonus and makes you even more marriage material, not the one night stand type. These women are probably at the wall and want to settle down and you are not giving off that vibe. You want a one night bang and these women you choose to date want a relationship. At their age, they dont want or have time to play the dating game without some sort of comfort that this is going somewhere.
thespectator Should i (x1) 1mo ago
Kinda hard to tell without more details but if I had to guess you're not escalating enough. Always push to get things back to your place (assuming the date is going alright).
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1mo ago
I think it might be similar, but not quite that.
You know how a woman might be really hot, but you can tell that she's a high-maintenance pain in the ass? It's likely that you're the male equivalent. They aren't "intimidated" or "scared", but rather feel it won't be worth the effort.
Are you showing this shit off? Are you picking them up in your supercar? When you take them home, is your house all fancy and shit?
You might be making them doubt their ability to hang onto you, and so they aren't bothering to try.
When you lead with your wallet (and before you say that you don't, if you're taking a supercar on a date then you are), you'll only attract gold diggers, and simultaneously repel women who feel "unqualified" for lack of a better term.
Do you have a more modest vehicle you can drive on dates or to meetups?
Can you dress in decent, but not top-of-the-line clothes? Like maybe shit from Kohl's?
Can you act down-to-earth and be fun?
Consider yourself lucky.
Putting aside this particular post, and giving some food for thought based on your entire history here:
OK, remember that time your GF left because you were messaging exes? Did you learn from that?
Are you still making an LTR your goal (big mistake), or just being open to the possibility?
Are you getting laid with the women you're talking about in this post? Because if you are, then that's fucking winning dude, and just about anyone here would trade places with you in a heartbeat. Sexual abundance and variety is about as good as it gets. If you aren't getting laid, then work on that.
Something clicked with that last line. Are you just taking them out, chatting them up, and not even trying to fuck? Because women frequently are incredibly unforgiving of a man who doesn't even try to fuck.
Jocbro 1mo ago
I’m not pushing for a relationship. I have at least 2 that are pushing for one but I’m not feeling all that
No I’m not pushing for sex or escalating on the first date, which I’m going to work on
I do have a more modest vehicle, I wear basic clothes minus my AP watch..
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 1mo ago
A lot of women take it as an insult if a guy doesn't try to fuck. They wonder if the guy was even attracted to them, or if the dude's gay, or if the dude is just a wuss.
You're always better off trying.
If she wants it, you get laid!
If she rejects you, you know not to waste anymore time on her!
Escalate, escalate, escalate has always been pretty basic RP stuff.
Lone_Ranger 3 1mo ago
The more I read about it, the more I am convinced of this:
The problem is 'dating'. That is the issue. The problem is the game. The dating game is just retarded for men. The only way to win this game is to stop playing it.
Modern 'dating' is fucking retarded. Just step away from it. From the way that you self describe, you do not need it. High value men do not need the dating game to score, or find women for fun, sex or LTRs.
The issue with dating is that it is broken. The only candidates that you will find in that pool are broken females, ones that like validation and attention. They are not there for what they say they are there for (to find a date) they are there to find a way to make their phone go bing. They are looking for digital interaction. They are lonely and bored, and they want to sit on their sofa and have their phone go bing all night long.
TLDR: step out of the dating game, go out into the real world, and if you are the man you say you are, you will be getting offers non-stop. Instead of wasting your precious time, energy and life force on playing the retarded dating game online, go out into the real world and slay.
Thank me later.
Oh - and to be clear - I do not mean go out IRL and start number hunting.
First-light 2 1mo ago
Totally agree. Dating is retarded. Don't take women out, feed and entertain them just because you like the look of their profile and they like the look of yours. This applies to men of all value levels.
In his case he is also dealing with hardened sluts and he is just a hardened Chad. Both sides are too numb to make a real connection or to see potential past the top trump stats of comparing profiles. Girl needs to promote herself as hot. Guy needs to promote himself as successful. This is just bullshit as the sole formula for success at higher levels. People still need to actually find people they can relate to. Lower value females may be turned for a long time by shallow wealth and a toned body. However, if there is real high value on both sides, they still need connection as much as anyone else. He may be meeting female versions of himself -hardened characters sorting through the dross with a cool head, they know the moves to make and they can then filter ruthlessly.
If he wants more, he may also need to ask what does he bring beyond a toned body, a fast car and 7 figures. Women are never satisfied with their status quo. Once you have promoted a woman to those levels, you will need something else. If he has had 1000 first dates and still isn't getting what he wants from dating he must conclude that either he is looking for what is not on offer from dating or he needs to change his approach because he is at least part of the problem.
Lone_Ranger 3 1mo ago
IMHO - there are no 'hardened chads' that go on dates. Going on dates is inherentely S wordy and beta. It's cos playing as a provider for some hoe that does not deserve provisions. Going on dates is bascially giving them what they want, buy not getting what you want.
going on dates is basically not something that any self respecting man should do. If a woman wants to fuck a dude, she will fuck a dude. If she doesnt want to fuck him, she will go on dates with him. Don't be that dude.
throwaway415 1 1mo ago
theyre not even turned on by it. they are turned on by good looks and game.
girls will fuck wealthy and successful guys not because they are attracted to them but because they want to benefit from their wealth. those same chick's will fuck broke dudes behind his back because they look better and/or have more game.
remember Lester from Casino? thats who they are attracted to. theyre not attracted to Sam Rothstein, just his money
I know a lot of folks here dislike this guy as he has somewhat of a bad reputation for repackaging common red pill ideas and monetizing them without giving credit, and occasionally being wrong about shit, but I think he sums it up fairly well here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x0b_ytUw-5M
tl;dr: women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas
af, bb
throwaway415 1 1mo ago
women are biologically incapable of recognizing a genuinely high value male. What they think is "high value" is being a tattooed loser thug. That's why everywhere you look you see these broke single moms with 12 kids and 12 different baby daddies, most of whom are either dead or in prison.
There's a difference between genuine value and SMV value to women. A guy who is successful and intelligent has objectively high value, but that has nothing to do with his SMV value to women. They'll pick a broke tyrone in the hood over him because he gave them vagina tingles.
If you lead with money, you'll just get gold diggers who will treat you like a sucker.
The only thing you have going for you in terms of SMV value to women is your height, facial geometry and physical fitness. Everything else - having lots of money, a supercar, a house, does absolutely JACK shit except attract gold diggers (to your wallet, not you) and I know this from personal experience as I've fucked countless girls when I was broke as fuck, in and out of jail while their rich, successful boyfriend was away from home. As soon as he'd leave they'd call me over. All the money he made working hard, they took and spent buying me food, clothes, and weed. I had a chick even pay for my hotel for months while I was homeless, using her successful rich boyfriend's money.
If you want women to be attracted to YOU and not your wallet, you need to carry yourself a certain way that gives them vagina tingles.
Don't get me wrong - I am in no way endorsing living a criminal lifestyle. I did this for a long time and that lead me to a lot of very bad situations, the effects of which still haunt me to this day. I do not encourage anyone to become a tattooed degenerate thug just to turn on dumb ass bitches whose only value is having a wet hole you can stick your dick in. Just understand that this is what they're attracted to. They want a thug, a gangster, a dude who's dangerous and doesn't give a shit about their feelings. They don't want some guy who caters to them giving them rides in his ferrari and taking them on yachts and expensive nightclubs in Cancun, that dude's a sucker and he'll get played like one while they fuck around with some hoodrat on the street behind his back.
Just gotta carry yourself the right way if you want them to actually feel attracted to you. You gotta have good looks and strong game. Everything else is bullshit
Jocbro 1mo ago
I had an ONS lastnight, I’m back to approaching in person at bars instead of relying on dating apps.
Although everything you said is true, having a high SMV plus money is the most optimal thing. Women won’t love an ugly rich guy but a hot rich guy is undefeated
I’ve gathered that I’m not displaying enough interest. Made a conscious effort to show attraction towards gal I met lastnight and ended up sleeping with her a couple hours later so it’s working so far, will test tonight again
Mountainman 1mo ago
Did you say “let’s go back to my place” or did she? I had a date go suboptimal and was curious. Also nice work
throwaway415 1 1mo ago
I took chicks to my place before when I stayed in a shithole rat and roach infested slum. ive also gone to their place. I've been homeless and had chicks either offer to let me live with them (note: I do not recommend this, this should be a last resort if you are really down on your luck) or pay for a hotel.
if you look good and have good game they will be down and won't care. if a chick ever turns you down because you are broke/dont have your own place its because she was never attracted to you in the first place and was just a gold digger trying to take advantage of you. if she is genuinely into you she won't give a shit if you live in a cardboard box or a van down by the river. she will do whatever she can to help you.
a lot of gold diggers have a broke dude theyre "in love"* with and who they give all the money they get from simps. you never want to be the simp. you want to be the dude she wants to take care of. if youre well off and dont need her help (which really should be your goal) you still want her to have you in this category, because that is the only way she will have any semblance of respect and genuine attraction to you.
even now that I make decent money I still have girls spending money on me, giving me gifts and doing shit for me. this past year ive had girls regularly buying food and cooking me meals, packing lunches for me, buying me clothes, giving me massages, etc. basically going beyond housewife treatment without any commitment. I never told them I love them or ever agreed to be exclusive. I even took a little vacation recently with this girl who rented a nice cabin by a lake and rented a pontoon. she paid for the entire trip and even thanked me for coming, even though I make way more money than her. all I really had to do was drive (never let women drive, trust me)
If you do have money and she is aware of it, I do advise exercising caution when dealing with hood bitches. if shes a square, shes probably safe. but if shes a hood rat, be very careful where you go with her. bitches are known to set dudes up to get robbed and killed.
stick to square bitches if you want to be extra safe
*I put the term "in love" in quotes because their love is fleeting and conditional. if a dude who looks better than you and/or has stronger game shows up they will drop you like a rock and join his team. bitches are hypergamous. these hoes ain't loyal. loyalty is a male trait
universitythrowaway 1mo ago
Really enjoyed reading your comments. I'm in abundance currently with a plate and a few dates here and there but mostly from online dating. Where do you find your girls mostly? And what type of game do you run? What's your style bad boy facially attractive or tatted bad boy/alpha. Curious to see how to get my bitches to spend more on me. They're already very submissive and do things like cook for me. But I'm still the one that pays for most dates or hangouts. Do you find yourself paying on first dates, if you even go on "dates" that is lmao
throwaway415 1 4w ago
I find them everywhere but mostly in the hood lol. I don't really like square white girls and I am especially a big fan of the thick latinas from the barrio. They're a little crazy but also way better in bed, cook and clean without much attitude about it (but will get very spicy when it comes to other matters so tread carefully) and tend to have prettier faces and better looking bodies IMO.
I'm a natural "bad boy" because I have an extensive criminal record (note: I don't recommend this) and grew up in the hood myself, although I don't really walk around trying hard to look or act hood consciously (trying to act extra hard is for tryhard zoomers who have something to prove. I'm OG and already earned my stripes so idrgaf if I look "hard"), and I've stayed out of any serious trouble for many years now.
I don't have any tattoos because I think they're disgusting and have way too much respect for myself to get them. I don't sag my pants, rock any piercings or do any of that wannabe extra hard bullshit. I do rock nice Nikes, loose-fitting (not overly baggy but not that fruity skinny shit) jeans, sweats and track jackets/big hoodies. Some days I wear tight fitting undershirts when it's hot but usually in a loose-fitting t shirt or some variation of a checker patterned button-up like you'd typically see cholos wearing in south central.
I keep my beard trimmed pretty neat, usually fluctuating between 5 o clock shadow/light stubble and maybe medium length at the most. I keep my hair trimmed short and neat, none of those fruity "mop-head", "fade", or "edgar" zoomer haircuts, just a very basic traditional male cut. I do see a lot of these girls hooking up with Edgar types so this may not actually be beneficial to SMV, but idrgaf what bitches think and do what I like which might be contributing to my overall attractiveness.
I think a big part of it is just how you carry yourself and not necessarily any one style of dressing. Chicks from all different walks of life are drawn to your perceived status, but that means different things for different chicks. Square white bitches tend to be drawn to dudes who wear tight fitting clothes, dress shoes, nice suits and shit like that but that's not really my style unless I'm going to court or a job interview. Hood bitches are more drawn to dudes who look "gangsta", baggier clothes, chains (I don't wear these because I personally think looking flashy is gay), hoodies and high-end sneakers, but again, how you carry yourself, how you talk, how you walk, is far more important IMO than how you dress.
Personally I don't recommend dressing or acting in any way that feels unnatural to you. If you don't like wearing suits, don't. I don't outside of job interviews and court dates and think they're super uncomfortable. I'd much rather rock a loose fitting shirt and jeans. Everyone's different but I think most if not all of us have the potential to achieve a high status, and you should cultivate a natural style that suits you and communicates that status to women without feeling forced.
And no, I never pay for dates and calling some of my hookups a "date" would be a stretch. I usually don't even have to ask them to but the bitches usually pay for me and I usually smash on the first night I meet them. My "dates" typically involve going to get a coffee, a walk/drive around a park or neighborhood, or some laid back recreational activity like going to a bar, having a couple drinks and shooting some pool.
Jocbro 1mo ago
I went back to her place. It was very messy lol
throwaway415 1 1mo ago
yeah bitches are nasty as fuck
throwaway415 1 1mo ago
having money might get women to sleep with you, just remember that they aren't attracted to you because of your money. in fact, they actually are less attracted to dudes who spend money on them as that gives beta signals. being beta isn't attractive. girls use betas for money
id rather be rich and let bitches think im broke, or at the very least ensure they understand im not spending a cent on them and I expect them to pay
if you are high value, youre the prize. why would you pay them to give them the privilege of being with you. they should be the ones paying
Jocbro 1mo ago
Logically that makes sense, doesn’t play out that way usually in the dating world where they act on emotion
throwaway415 1 1mo ago
its always played out that way for me
Mountainman 1mo ago
So you have 12-36+ women texting you post first date, and they’re not following up for a 2nd date. In my opinion, considering someone of your success, even if that success was in the time frame of let’s say 18 months, I think you’re going very well no?
I’d imagine that you are converting 2nd dates with that much success, just not as much as you think you should.
The truth is you probably are intimidating or women get the sense that you have multiple options and only wanted her for the night. Maybe you could fix your issue with some pursuing and a strategic double text.
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Jocbro 1mo ago
Intimidated is my only explanation but doesn’t seem that plausible.. I tend to only text for dates but rarely do I push for sex on date one unless chemistry is high
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
As mentioned in another post, you need to try to answer your own question somewhere in the post body in AskTRP
It's a self reflection and independent thought requirement for posting here
Jocbro 1mo ago
I get no dumb questions but what’s the point of the forum if there’s no room for discussing something?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
What are you talking about
You are allowed to ask and discuss your question. You are required to attempt to find an answer based on your trp knowledge in your post.
Self reflection and problem solving is a cornerstone of being a successful man
Jocbro 1mo ago
Yes I agree but they are all hypothetical, not many rich guys present on the forum with first hand experience. Red Pill says dating should be a breeze if you meet even half of my accolades which has not been my experience so I'm asking a real world experience based question
Musicgoon78 3 1mo ago
Did you mention to these girls all the amazing shit you're bringing to the table?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
"TRP says"
I don't know who said that. You are taking short hand generalizations of what women like and turning it into something it's not while lacking other fundamentals of the attraction and rapport process
You are not self reflecting. This is the nth time I've seen you ask some degree of this question.
It's one sentence. Just attempt to answer your question. Your trp understanding is misguided and it is clear you have stopped reflecting because of some kind of misperception of trp and dating
Jocbro 1mo ago
I’ve followed Red Pill for 12 years and read it all.
I’m by the book—attractive, non-needy, maxed out in every category, any more is diminishing returns. Yet still get ghosted frequently. It makes no sense.
After hundreds if not 1,000+ first dates I think I have experience of what a good date is or not
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Yes. It makes sense if you stop zeroing on maxxing everything. Keeping women is, contrary to your belief system, not all about maxxing
The date in of itself, whether she cums 50 times in your bed, how hot and rich you are etc, does not define if a woman sticks around
Based on your specific problem, there is absolute hands down gauranteed some rapport fundamental you are not adhering to. There is a you problem in this equation somewhere
At the end of the day, you are required to follow the forum rules. It does not matter if your attempt to answer your question is accurate or not. The rule is to just best guess answer it. One sentence
I cannot let you not follow the forum rules. I'm not going to signal to other people that some people have to follow it and others don't. It doesn't matter how long you've been in TRP.
The forum rules apply to everyone here.
Jocbro 1mo ago
Delete the post if need be. I can’t find anything in there side bar about rapport
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
I understand it's not in the side bar.
I'm not deleting your post. I'm asking you to follow the posting rules on subsequent posts
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
Well, they're female. Never forget that.
Ok...
Happens to all of us dude.
Women are renowned for making terrible life choices, so I wouldn't worry about the odd girl doing this.
But if >50% are pulling this shit, then it's down to you.
Some questions:
Jocbro 1mo ago
All of the above im doing correctly - not usually touchy though.
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
So all good, apart from the most important one
Jocbro 1mo ago
Do you think it’s that I’m not providing enough comfort with these women?
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
You must be physically escalating.
If not, she'll feel you are not attracted to her and you certainly won't be exciting her.
Another problem you may have is failed shit tests. These are almost always her doing something unpleasant to gain control over you or the situation. The classic is "we're not going to have sex tonight", others include "buy me a drink" and "you're gay".
Failing these tests will kill attraction.
You are failing to escalate. You are acting only if the chemistry is high, which means you are waiting for her to lead rather than creating the chemistry.
Mountainman 1mo ago
I was just touchy on a date and didn’t even get a kiss. “I have no underwear on” and yet she ended the date with a hug. Fml lol
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
The kiss is your job, G
Do you have any idea how many women were dying to fuck me and later told me they couldn't make the first move
That's your job man
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
I read down through some of your posts, and I found this to be interesting:
Here is your problem:
You read the books. You got the looks. You got the bank. You got the game. You got the skills. For what?
CHASING PUSSY
Somewhere along the line you lost your purpose. Is it because you reached the top, reached your goals, achieved your purpose, and got it all?
Now your new purpose is chasing pussy. That's why they're ghosting you. You've reverted to a big, rich, jacked, hot-as-fuck, beta male.
You need to find a new purpose that doesn't involve women.
Jocbro 1mo ago
This just insinuates that I pedestalize women which is totally opposite of reality. I don’t treat women with any special treatment
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
When you get ripped, rich, and skills just so that you can attract women, yes, you are pedestalzing them.
When your goal is to build yourself up to meet the high standards of what the "ideal man" is for women, yes, you are pedestalizing them.
When you say, "Look at me. I did all this to make women want me, so why don't women want me?", yes, you are pedestalizing them.
Women should be the byproduct of Giga-Chadness, not a focal point.
Jocbro 1mo ago
This is under the assumption that’s my motivating factor. The end result is the same regardless so this doesn’t make sense unless I am giving them special treatment
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
You obviously lack basic rapport
It's unclear if you even know what you want in a woman, and if you do know what you want in a woman you somehow meet one that meets your standards you don't express enough give for them to stick around.
Basically the guy who grinded his soul down and when women he wants want him shows negligible amounts of sufficient interest to make her think she matters
Women auto reject. If you don't give a sufficient amount of interest nothing will carry you they will freak out and dip
SwarmShawarma 1mo ago
M9st importantly Being close to 7 fig means you can afford to pay for consult of someone from the sphere.
ApexMindset charges staggering 1k\h but since you think the problem is serious and you can pay, that means you save more m9ney by paying and answering ALL personal questions, rather than sharing you have money, house and supercar, to bunch of strangers (and I don't think its the first time).
Musicgoon78 3 1mo ago
He can afford to buy himself a wife. Then he doesn't have to learn charisma.
Jackmoter 1mo ago
There could be hundreds of reasons - sometimes you have to let go - it's not always about you.
Hypergamy.... You might be one of several guys she's dating.
Ex's..... an ex entered the picture, bye bye new guys.
The list goes on - you could probably get a good list from ChatGPT.