Does anyone have actual real world experience with what works with modern women? Not the old hags, the ones in their early 20s. Id say late teens but they are doomed beyond comprehension.
If MGTOW is 100%, I’m at 95%. I'm so drained and at my wits end on the search for a decent gal. I’ve been on red pill forums since I was 16, and I’ve lived it. But let’s be real—most of the “experts” here and on youtube have little real-world experience. Rollo Tommassi for example. He is considered the god father of red pill. Dude is average at best in every regard, he has been married his entire adult life. He breaks shit down to a science but you can not convince me that guy has tested any of his "theories" first hand. If you throw shit at the wall it is bound to stick, and disgruntled men who have zero success with women eat it up and disguise black pill as red pill. Its all womens fault etc.
Yes, red pill makes some valid points—women are naturally drawn to looks, money, and status, the same way guys like certain physical traits like big tits, nice ass and a pretty face. But to act like every woman is the same is just lazy. They’re human, unpredictable, and don’t all respond to a script or a super "masculine personality".
I’ve dated when I was broke, out of shape, and living at my parents—and I still had success. I’ve also dated after leveling up in every way: 7 figures a year, bodybuilding wins, businesses, hair transplant, luxury lifestyle. None of it made dating easier. It changed the caliber of women that chased me, not the outcome.
Ive had over 500 first dates, 150+ sexual partners, and spent 5 of the last 10 years in relationships—I’ve done it all. These days, I only sleep with women I actually like. Otherwise, it’s just not worth it. The effort isn’t exciting anymore. Sex without connection is like driving a Lamborghini every day—it will always be fun but the novelty of it wears off and its not as exciting when you actually have access to it.
The strange part.. The women I don’t care about chase me. The ones I actually like.. It always fizzles out. It’s not that I pedestalize them or act differently—I’ve tested every theory. I don’t need to think about being “non-needy,” I just naturally am after years of consuming red pill content and knowing how modern women are. Still doesn’t seem to matter. I treat every single girl the exact same and the outcome can be wildly different. Some have said they love me, some have wanted a relationship, some have showed up at my house when I didnt respond, some asked me to get them pregnant - others have ghosted me, made it impossible to make plans, or just straight up said they werent feeling it. I have quite literally seen everything on the spectrum and I myself have not changed my personality to fit any one girl.
At this point, it feels like we have almost no control over a woman’s long-term interest. If you stay non chalant in a relationship then you’re “not affectionate enough.” Show interest? You’re “too available.”
It is a numbers game but here is my experience of what the numbers look like:
- meet 20 girls
- 10 of which actually show up on the date
- 5 of them are just not worth seeing, 2 of them are not into me, and 3 of them I go on a second date with
- of the 3, 2 fizzle out and one becomes a plate
- for every 10 plates I have, one is relationship material
- for every 5 that are relationship material, maybe 1 has her shit together and the feelings are fully mutual.
That is literally 1000 women to find a decent girl as a conservative guess.
So my question is this:
If you take away looks, money, and status—what’s the replicatable formula that attracts and keeps good-quality women interested long-term? Assuming all other things are on point.
JPCantell 2d ago
You think you’re not being needy, but you are, because your inner game is off. You’re performing for women to keep them. Take them off the pedestal.
superhitops 4d ago
Sidebar is good, valid and you got it wrong. MGTOW is just one way to deal with the knowledge that redpill brings.
A woman will be down to whatever satisfies her hipergamy. Many famous rich guys eating shit sandwiches are example that it is much more complicated than we wanted. It can be looks, it can be money, it can be you being the best rapper, dancer, athlete, the oscar winning actor or just the most criminal on the block. What the woman you want are vetting for? Have you 'somehow' discussed that during dates?
Second: awalt is that woman share a lot of traits, no unicorns, no oneities, one of a million, etc. However, they are not carbon copies of each other. This is oversimplification. You treat all woman the same? Bogus. It is stupid to treat a decent woman like a street hoe.
There is a huge difference between basic good human treatment and pedestalizing a woman. Treating a life partner that adds value as a good asset that she is has nothing wrong to it. Actually, decent woman must expect good treatment and you should not make the pikachu face when that comes up.
If I am to say, your vetting is awful. Decent woman won't accept being plated and will run. Vetting by abusing for "submissive woman" will filter what? Brain damaged crazies with shitty self steem. If you mistreat woman and they don't leave, you should be the one leaving. I'll give this one to you though, you are doing it. Keep doing and don't settle for shit.
Also don't expect woman to not have woman traits. Dogs bark. Damaged dogs don't. Shit tests will be there. Comfort tests too. Etc.
For an LTR, beta traits are mandatory. You simply cannot demand a traditional wife without filling your side on a traditional gender role. "I want a wife who cooks and cleans and takes care ofnchildren. Also, she must foot the bills 50/50 and have her own 401". Very unrealistic. The beta bucks is part of traditional gender roles, and it is ok , as long as you are the alfa fucking. Balance is key.
It is a man's job to find sex. It is a woman's job to secure a relationship. But... the same way woman must give you an starting point for sex, you must be OPEN to the idea of an LTR. If you are plating woman, well, plates break and no one gives a shit. But game is different for LTR.
Finally... I do hope you have more in life than circling around woman. The main point of redpill is to get out of this matrix.
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MrSupreme 4d ago
i think you have to try and answer your own question in the post as a rule, i'm not a mod though.
You have a humblebrag about your success, don't you think you're the one having the real word experience with what works?
"Ive had over 500 first dates, 150+ sexual partners, and spent 5 of the last 10 years in relationships—I’ve done it all. These days, I only sleep with women I actually like. Otherwise, it’s just not worth it"
How many people can say that while acting like an average frustrated chump? You're doing just that. If you want to see real guys that just can't make it work then just try and help another guy and see what they're going through. But you're not gonna find it in yourself if what you're saying is true, if what you're living is not a fulfilling life then set some goals and priorities, and change your course.
What i think is making you uneasy is not meeting your love life goals, which is apparently finding a decent woman to settle down for longer than a few months and maybe think of living together, having a kid, going on vacation, having mutual friends and be a full-time couple. Or something like that, you get the picture.
You have the traits, you have success, you have money, looks and status, you have game, where the hoes at though? At this point, I have begun thinking that the type of girl you and many men are looking for are probably outside your country, some southeast asia or latin american shithole (like where i live) where women are still somewhat more conservative and family oriented, less liberal and broke enough to prioritize getting pregnant by a foreign/rich guy over virtually any other type of contact with men.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed Contributor 4d ago
You have not made peace with the simple fact that even if you do find a quality woman, she can choose to throw all that away at any point for any reason and there is fuck all you can do about that choice other than leave. You can do everything "correct" on your end and it still does not fucking matter!
And in not making that peace, like so many others, seek guarantees that do not exist.
All you can do is massage the odds, not control them. The only thing you can reliably replicate is your ability to GTFO when a woman goes bad. That's it.
Now, you don't have to make your peace with all that if you don't want to. It's your life. Ice skate uphill all you want.
ncstaterepted 4d ago
Well said, you really encapsulated the essence of the end game
iamnotneptuno 4d ago
Which one?
Sexual relationships naturally are meant to benefit first the offspring (which is like the whole point) and then the female (because she can produce more offspring). Male, nobody gives a fuck, we’re interchangeable.
And then the modern world turns that up to 1000000.
So it’s on you if you’re still into the one true love fantasy given the reality.
There are of course exceptions, but exceptions by definition don’t match rules, so it’s pointless to ask for a rule to apply.
Durek_The_Bald 3d ago
You're forgetting "game" - whether that's intentional game, or just the natural inner game that comes with having shit to do, not giving too much of a fuck, and not being "on the hunt" for anything that has to do with women.
Also, there's something to be said about having a "high maintenance" radar that sets of early. Some women - although you're wired to want to stick your dick in them - have something creepy about them. I'm talking about women who spend a lot of time and effort on stuff like nails, hair, make-up, and clothes, and whose body language and general behavior is overly feminine.
Should be mentioned though, judging by your numbers, I don't have anywhere near to the pulling power you do. So maybe it's just my rationalisation hamster trying to protect my ego from the fact that I wouldn't have a shot with these women anyways - and so I've always gone for 6-7/10 and "seems down to earth".
Jocbro 3d ago
7 is the sweet spot. Looks and personality is a tipping scale... once in a blue moon I pull an 8 that is good quality but there is always some need for constant validation. Any 9 or 10 ive pulled has always been extremely entitled... not even in the money sense, just dedmands constant texting, dropping everyone else etc
Musicgoon78 3 3d ago
The answer is personality and social skills. Looks money and status help, but they won't keep a woman around and they won't get you an actual quality girl.
Let's break this down further: What you lead with is what women are going to take.
Looks will get you laid. Undoubtedly. You will be put in the fuckboy category. You're getting used for sex, which I personally am ok with. It can get old if you want more.
Money, well this one is easy. You lead with money and you'll attract gold diggers. They will use you for your money. It's transactional, not genuine desire.
Status: you work hard to build your empire, your brand, your social circle. A pretty girl swoops in and wants to piggyback off of your hard work. She did absolutely nothing to earn or deserve that. This is not a quality woman, this is an opportunistic woman that uses you.
Now look brother, you have only focused on the external and superficial aspects of TRP. You've swallowed half the pill. You're missing that connection with somone.
If you're not happy the big question is what would make you happy? What do you truly want? I'm going to be honest and just say that the biggest spergs are going to push for money and looks. Your personality is what a woman truly wants and what will keep her coming back.
I had another guy I knew that had a fancy sports car. He would offer women rides in his car. They saw money that he had. When you know a girl only likes you for your money, it eventually chips away at your sense of self.
So let me ask you this: if I gave you only a T-shirt and jeans, aflio phone and you had a budget of 20 dollars a day and a hostel to sleep in at night would you be able to find a few medium or long term girls to date?
If you did, these girls would want you for you, not what they can get from from you.
MGTOW is right above the black pill. It's not a path to happiness.
Once you figure out the non superficial things you want, the rest of your life will become easier and more fun.
Jocbro 3d ago
I don’t lead with anything flashy on dating apps—I actually hide that I have money.
The thing is, my personality has changed over time. You can't fake who you are, and how I talk to people now is just my default. After all these years, I find it hard to approach women with much enthusiasm. I come off very neutral—not out of bitterness, that’s just how I am with everyone.
A lot of my friends say I look unapproachable—not in a cool way, more like I always look annoyed.
I’ve also realized I don’t show affection to women at all. Not on purpose—it just never crosses my mind.
I almost wish there was a way that I could get feedback on my personality lol
Musicgoon78 3 3d ago
Here's a short term fix that helps with your retention rates of worthy women https://www.forums.red/p/theredpill/323624/painting_a_picture Now look here brother, women want a strong man, but not a robot.
I see that you can make money and get fucking swole. So c'mon bro.... Don't make excuses. You can change your habits to be more charismatic. I have an almost certain belief that you have the drive to accomplish this and will.
I would check out Charisma On Command on YouTube. It's a great resource for you. Definitely use it. You got this brother. You know it and we do too!
If you're interested, join our discord channel. You can talk over the internet to like minded dudes and make some friendships. That will help you open up and loosen up.
Jocbro 3d ago
Sounds good bro - whats the discord?
Musicgoon78 3 3d ago
I'll DM you brother. It's more interactive than this shit. Download the discord app if you don't have it.
ExConvictNowMillionaire 1d ago
Mind sharing? Sounds interesting.
Musicgoon78 3 1d ago
I need to message a mod. The link I have isn't working.