Been seeing a gal, 9/10 by any standard (I only mention that becuase I know she has unlimited options), expressed extremely high interest from date 1.
- She Initiated a kiss and holding hands half way thru date one
- Hooked up date 2
- Bought me a gift by date 3 and talked about where she wanted to travel to together
- Date 4, we watched a movie, hooked up, she helped me pick out furniture for my house, she cooked for me and we made plans to hangout today.
Last date was Thursday, today rolls around and I haven’t heard from her even 4 hours after the planned date time. Just zero contact since Friday.
Should I continue waiting for her and not reach out? My assumption is always that there is another guy she met but it’s so far outta left field, as fickle and fleeting as I know women are. I’d be hard fetched to believe she found anyone better on paper.
Not to toot my own horn but I’m 6’2, bodybuild, drive a brand new McLaren and have my own house at 27. I just can’t see how she’d be so inclined to be open to meeting anyone else, let alone finding better (on paper, I know its all about how a guy makes her feel emotionally regardless of accolades)
JPCantell 10h ago
The answer to this question is always the same:
WOMEN.
A 9 is still a woman.
Take her off the pedestal, don’t chase women, even if mentally.
AbusiveFather1 3d ago
You just answered your question. You can be 6’10”, drive a Veyron and have multiple estates and still get ghosted (especially by a 9/10); there’s always a bigger fish. The fact that you’re on the internet posting about this shows who has more power in your dynamic. The fact that she was talking about a future with you already doesn’t mean that you’re special, it means that she’s excitable - for the highest bidder, and there’s plenty of bidders.
Any woman will move mountains and skip funerals for her number one choice man - you know this.
Does this mean you can’t inquire with her? No, it’s totally normal to ask what happened, unless you want to keep up a facade of an unassailable alpha, which won’t help your case if she’s already decided that there’s a better option.
PS. What do you do for a living?
Jocbro 2d ago
Yeah I’m gonna wait a couple days and act like nothing happened if I haven’t heard from her. Once the desire has shifted there isn’t much you can do I have learned. Something shifted here perception of me, though I’d wager to say she likely didn’t find a “bigger fish”
I’m in the pharmaceutical world to keep it vague (nothing illegal lol)
AbusiveFather1 2d ago
Exactly. Maybe not even a bigger fish but with their options they just keep wanting something new or different
Off topic: any financial/career advice for a broke guy working entry level healthcare jobs?
Jocbro 2d ago
Get a sales job - stick with it and doors will open
ncstaterepted 2d ago
were you dating her or plating her? either way, u may have been too available. date 4 was thursday, next date is on sunday. you planned the date before finishing the other date. this was your 5th date in how long? chicks crave not knowing where they stand with you. if you are hitting 5 dates in a short amount of time it signals that you are appreciating spending time with them. unfortunately that removes the challenge for her because she knows where she stands, and now she can't appreciate spending time with you.
i find that when things happen fast, from meeting to hooking up, the girls will initially love bomb (gift by date 3). you can entertain this as sex talk but be careful taking any of it seriously (nobody's ever f***d me like that before, omg, you're different, etc).
the next move after love bombing is future faking (you and her talked about traveling together on date 3). again, a gift on date 3 is kind of extreme and looks like love bombing, so i assume this is future faking.
picking out furniture for your house is almost nesting, a subgenre of future faking (we'll move in together).
she is not lying as much as she is addicted to the honeymoon phase of that first broken heart she has, and she is trying to recreate it every single time. she is unhealed and will be bailing for new tingles as soon as the honeymoon phase feeling is gone. generally she will bail with extreme prejudice as she does not want anything to do with the feelings that come near the end of a relationship. also, if she is confident that you are appreciative of her time, she may believe that she can flutter in and out.
i would wait for her to reach out and if she does invite her over for netflix or to cook dinner and have drinks at your place. if shes compliant and comes to hook up, wait for her to initiate again, then invite her over. if this positive cycle keeps repeating, you can think about ignoring that red flag action of standing you up and doing dates again or keeping her as FWB.
tldr; she was really into you, was loving the vibes and honeymoon phase, love bombed you, future faked, pretty much started fake nesting. perhaps your availability to her combined with cooking you a meal and fucking you made her think of doing that every single night for the rest of her life and she got ThE iCk.
Jocbro 2d ago
I kind of disagree. I was highlighting prominent points of showing high interest on the dates but it wasn’t much of a focal point.
I asked her to help me decorate cause I needed furniture and that was the extent of it, with travel plans it was mentioned in passing I.e a place in a movie and she said “we should go there one day”. I’ve got a small music studio in my house and she said “you need a record player” and next time she came over she brought a record player
My assumption is there’s another dude in the picture somewhere..
AbusiveFather1 2d ago
Of course, there’s always somebody else
Jocbro 2d ago
Always is no doubt
ncstaterepted 2d ago
Of course there's another dude in the picture, I said she's addicted to the honeymoon phase. How long had you known her by the time of the 5th date? Date 5 was scheduled 3 days after date 4. Did you know her for more than two weeks?
Jocbro 2d ago
Ive known her about 3 weeks now. would be a very short honeymoon phase
ncstaterepted 2d ago
ok 5 dates in 3 weeks. not sayin this is your situation, but i have had this happen to me a lot. its with girls who go to bed fast (street to seat, first or second date). they come in hot and heavy, they love bomb, they future fake, and they constantly want your time/want to hang out. if you don't make it easy they beg, fight, show up, etc. usually as the guy we are very happy to have this hyped up sexual partner who always wants to see us, and don't want to lose it, so we acquiesce to the demands to see us. too much pussy is better than no pussy. or maybe you really like the girl but are "playing it coy" but you actually do want to see her.
if you see her too much, it kills the hunt and mystery of the honeymoon phase. she is on the high of chasing you, getting to know you. i find the girls ask lots of questions and want to know everything about you. they start to mirror your behavior, they get interested in your hobbies. it is really easy as a guy to be totally floored that a girl is so interested in you and start sharing a lot. but she is using every ounce of information to vet you, and she is remembering it.
by seeing her too much in the honeymoon phase, you risk signaling that you are too available and not dealing with other women (as she is definitely dealing with other men). you also risk oversharing too much information and ruining the slow reveal that drives her crazy.
this ruins her honeymoon phase, and what usually happens here is the girl wants no accountability or feelings about what just happened. all she knows is she's not getting the tingles anymore from you and there may or may not be another guy giving it to her. i have seen these love bomber girls hard ghost at this point. i have heard angelic excuses like "i want to be chaste and really work on myself before giving my heart out" which means she's down to orbiters and is searching for chad. but usually they want 0 accountability and easy disappearance. not worth even reaching out to them. in fact they come back and always mention how appreciative they are that you let them go without a hassle, as no other man does that. one came back and told me she was scared of ME because of how other men have behaved and the way i acted made her fall in love again. LOL
but as this may or may not be your situation, there's nothing wrong with a check up message to her. i would avoid anything past 1 message if she does not respond, and if she does not respond then try what i wrote in the top post which is no contact, let her reach out.
since you are a top tier guy, it is probably even less congruent that you have a lot of time for her.
personally, for my next girl like this, i will be more disciplined with myself in how i allocate my time, even if it's free, even if i'd love to see her. kind of sucks but it is what it is.
AbusiveFather1 2d ago
How did this play out? Did she text you out of the blue after a few months and you just invited over for sex? What’s the story
ncstaterepted 2d ago
it had to be 8 to 10 months of no contact. she was graduating and saw me walking around and with her girlfriends she texted me that i looked hot. so i immediately invited her over to find out. she ghosted again and went across the states for the summer. she reached out saying well im home now, nice to know you though. thanks for all the experiences and everything. i said hey doors always open babe love to see you. she kept texting, i texted very rarely and never first. then eventually she flew out to visit me, stayed over, sex vacation. she revved it up to right where we left off, love bombed, told me how the best thing i did was no contact and leave her be. one of our post sex moments she was just gushing and that came out. "you're perfect, you know how to handle me, you're perfect me, especially how you let me go. you're like a cave man and when i come around you dominate me but then you can let me go too. it meant so much to me how you didnt get mad, you didn't come looking for answers, you didn't go crazy or stalk me or get violent. i thought i hurt you." she came around a few more times but i discouraged her form making any permanent life decisions for me and now she's in another state doing big things but i feel she'll come around again. every time, including most recently, she just fades away suddenly, from hot hot hot to 0.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 2d ago
There's always the possibility (however improbable) that something actually happened to her, or that it just slipped her mind. I don't see a problem with a short "you ok? what happened to you?" text, but nothing else until she replies.
BTW, that's 1 "should I?" @Vermillion-Rx
On paper doesn't matter as much as her feeeeeeeelings.
You said it yourself. There might be some hobo midget who makes her tingle in all the right ways. A man can check every block a woman says she wants, but still lack the chemistry with particular women.
Hell, it might not even be a different dude. There's always the possibility that something about you just set her off in all the wrong ways, and she suddenly wants nothing to do with you.
Hell dude, maybe she found shit about you on that Tea app before it got compromised or whatever.
Bottom line: unless she contacts you, you'll just never know why she flaked.
Jocbro 2d ago
Yeah, that’s one of the toughest parts of dating now—no closure or feedback, so you’re left guessing.
From our dates, I’d pegged her at a 10/10 interest level. She seemed genuinely into it—clear but not over the top. Felt like a great match.
My best guesses: she’s either testing me, there’s someone else, or we were both waiting on the other to confirm the date yesterday. I haven’t been overbearing—just a one text a day stuff like a pic of my dog or a dinner spot. So her no-show really threw me off.
I’m thinking of waiting until Wednesday to text her like nothing happened—something simple like, “What’re your plans this week?”
What do you think?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
@Typo-MAGAshiv
I don't feel right giving Jocbro a "should i" flair
Look, Jocbro, you know how to fuck
I'm not penalizing you because I'm never uise the forums And clearly can fuck
Consequences of asking basic should i questions in AskTRP
Would normally be the case in AskTRP
Please try to answer your own akstrp question In the future, which is one of the new AskTRP rules
I know you haven't really used the forums but you are required to try to answer your own AskTRP in the posts
That being said I'm not flairing you but just take note of the forum rules
Personally I think either this girl just heard back from her ex or thought you were outside of if her hypergmous maximum attainability
Some women are too insecure to keep you and it's not about your SMV but the fact they tell themselves they can't have you.
It doesn't matter if they are honest it only matters if they are delusional enough to ruin it for themselves
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
You should* not i should
Or whatever i typed in tired
Jocbro 2d ago
I’d like to believe that it’s cause I’m “too high value” lol have a feeling that is not the case unfortunately..
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
I think you lack aor of rapport man
I think women view you as a fuck doll
I'm just being honest man and it's not entirely you but your history suggests some heavy fuck doll influence and lack of rapport
As to whether that's why she did it, I don't know. But that's my impression
Jocbro 2d ago
I don’t know bro. I don’t even initiate sex on the first date. Hell, I’ve got one gal I’ve been on a dozen dates with, no sex.
I look good but I’m not usually someone a girl would date for sex alone I feel like.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
Oh man.....
Dude
Your time and investment has some serious need for resolution
You seem both empty and passive at the same time
You need to calibrate and have clear directions
Jocbro 2d ago
I don’t care about sex anymore frankly, I can get it any day of the week. It’s a quality conservative gal but yes at this point I’m having a convo. We’ve done everything except sex
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
I hate to inform you that you can stop playing the game but the game still takes turns whether you like it or not
You're employing a female sexual strategy
Jocbro 2d ago
Yeah I get that. But I’ve slept with over a hundred women and am trying to just try other strategies. Nothing to lose. Women are all garbage to a degree
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2d ago
Right but you're still in the game regardless
The game doesn't skip turns just because you're tired of the gameplay
12 dates And no sex is mentally penalizing you in her brain
Jocbro 2d ago
I’m well aware I just don’t care honestly lol it’s always like “hey I’m going to bar if you wanna join”
superhitops 2d ago
Women with healthy brains are expected to look for man that are serious with them, and expect such man to put some feelings in the table.
Awalt, of course, but before jumping into conclusions, It wouldn't hurt show some initiative and gauge the answer: anything but an enthusiastically agreement to move forward should meet a cold hard 'next'.
Attention to oneities feelings.
Jocbro 2d ago
What do you think of texting her wednesday and saying “Hey, figured something came up Sunday. All good—if you’re still up for hanging this week, let me know.”
superhitops 2d ago
Man, I don't like giving this type of advice, but even a straightforward autistic answer is better than yours.
The autistic answer "I was butt-hurt because of Sunday, wanna check if I'm still on my chance" is still better than any passive aggressive way.
Be straight forward and have the next date planned. I don't know details man, maybe she was waiting this time you took initiative because it was supposed to be "the night" but you, full alpha, would never call first.
Seriously, redpill is about WOMAN behavior. Not about "you must be alpha". Many "red pilled betas" are scoring a lot by knowing the rules.
Musicgoon78 3 2d ago
This is all speculation. But you could be the AF and she might be looking for her beta provider. Some girls will instinctively know that you're just there to smash. They will keep a few backups in case they get hurt.
Without more context it's really hard to say. Wait to see if she reaches out, if not, find another hoe.
mattyanon Admin 2d ago
Don't reach out.
She FLAKED.
That means it's over unless SHE jumps through huge hoops. Don't chase.... what are you chasing after, a girl who flakes? Have some self respect.
Delusion.
It doesn't have to be better, just enough to sweep her up in the moment.
Good work, but maybe she wants something different THIS WEEK.
Dude.
Seriously.. listen to yourself.
You know how women are.
Here's your mistake: you are too invested too quickly. And she isn't.
Find other options, big boy.
Bozza 2 2d ago
Sometimes it be like that.
It's always frustrating when you have those ones that on paper seem to have gone really well, and then they ghost. But girls are fickle and sometimes they pull shit like this for whatever reason.
Regardless, she flaked with no warning or apology, which is very disrespectful. Unless she comes back and apologizes, move onto the next one.
First-light 1 2d ago
She is 9/10 and attracted by fairly surface things. She doesn't need to be accountable, she is pretty enough not to worry.
Odds on its another guy but you never know, could just be she had to do something else and could not even be bothered to tell you.
Its going to need to be a great excuse if she is to save this one (if she bothers to try of course).
Anyway sorry to hear of your bad luck.
Jocbro 2d ago
Thats dating for men these days - we have feminism and simps to thank for that
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MrSupreme 2d ago
I think the comments on the travels and stuff could be her scanning you for beta bux and hooking herself up with a sugar daddy deal. Maybe you didn't give her those vibes, just the regular sex and dating guy, no yachts or planes. She may have just prioritized her search for the ATM guy, but you could be still on rotation for some detached sex.
Flaking on the plans is definitely disrespectful, get yourself another woman too, to make up for it and if she comes back then definitely empty your balls on her and leave, that respect is not coming back anyways so might as well not show any kind of consideration for her. But that next date may not happen.
Jocbro 2d ago
Yeah agreed. The travel talk was very much in passing, not sugar daddy vibes at all
The disrespect was obvious. I’ll wait for her but I’m not pushing anything.. I have 4 others in weekly rotation, 3 were outta town so coincidentally had more free time which I filled her with
No-Stress-Cat 2d ago
"Souvent femme varie, bien fol qui s'y fie." - King Francis I
(Women are fickle, whoever trusts them is a fool)