Yesterday i was talking to this girl who liked me, we even talked sexual stuff, everything was going pretty well, i was interesting(cool hobbies), agreed and amplified, i sent her my body pic with 12% bodyfat(visible 6 packs) and decent muscles, she found it to be really hot, she's an unemployed skinny fat chick who's never set a foot in the gym(im sure even her dms are full with dudes). Then she asked my height and i told 5'10 (actually 5'8) and it was over, she said she wont sleep with anyone under 6' as her previous bf was 6' skinny dude, brutal slap straight in the face.
i know i wont ever reach the level of success a genetic specimen can reach without putting in any effort, but my effort I've put on for years on end to yield me failures all my life whenever I've tried puts me in depression from time to time, like id go to the gym consistently for 6 months and then it hits and i go into depression for 2 months completely starving myself and loosing all my gains .
I've tried everything guys from cold approaching (40+) to dating apps( got 2 matches in a month) to tried being friends with chicks irl (warm approach), and nothing has ever worked in my entire like till now. a KV no matter of how much i try and improve based on the field approaches i do, don't lead to any tangible results
for context I'm a bald(was Norwood 3 so i shaved it all) 20yo man who needs to man the fuck up but don't know how to do so.
Lone_Ranger 3 1d ago
good lord - this might as well have been written by Ai.
Manofcave 1d ago
for my case it is autism i guess, AI's are also prolly made by autists
Bozza 2 1d ago
I won't lie, height will be a factor. But you need to lay off the black pill bullshit. If you can own it and not give a fuck, women will fuck you.
Manofcave 1d ago
i owned my height, albeit halfway, look where it got me. its the whole premise of redpill to be as close to the truth as possible, i try and i fail, i improve and i fail. i dont ask for success handed to me but i also dont want to fall into depression periodically as its fucks up a lot of months of a good year
Bozza 2 1d ago
How jacked are you? What can you bench?
Sounds like you might be in the shitty lul period between getting started and when the success really starts rolling in.
Manofcave 1d ago
2.5years of lifting, 90kg bench, 13% bodyfat, 72kg bodyweight, 5'8 height, about 21 FFMI
Bozza 2 1d ago
Just keep at it bro. Took me 3 years of monk mode before I even started dating and seeing success - and I'm 6'2", so it's not all about height.
Then I had to learn game to keep the ones who expressed interest, so that was another battle.
All in all, it's taken me 6 years to get where I am today wrt RP. It's not a quick or easy process by any means.
Manofcave 23h ago
its like saying my parents were millionaires but i was always broke. but i see your point to stfu and man up. keep putting in the work and expect no reward, and someday you'll be given breadcrumbs which is probably more than i deserve
MrSupreme 1d ago
Height bitches are the R word.
Find quality stuff, check your inner game cause they smell your fucking negativity, be a happy guy.
Manofcave 1d ago
Yup, but I guess I'm a retard magnet. I might have to seriously change my ways or change my name
JPCantell 1d ago
Don’t answer her questions with straight answers. The issue wasn’t your height. Your issue was you qualified yourself to a bitch by answering her qualification questions. This isn’t a fucking interview where you gotta satisfy her criteria. YOU ARE THE PRIZE. Let that bitch qualify yourself to you.
Her: “How tall are you?”
You: “How tall are you when you’re on your knees?”
Overcome women’s “rules” with a dominant game and frame.
Women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas.
Manofcave 23h ago
best answer so far, i thought i shouldve said im 3'2 lilliput smurf with blue skin but sexual escalation would be better
Musicgoon78 2 20h ago
Your mindset is deeply entitled and narcissistic.
Let's get you down from you imaginary tower princess. Let's have a complete moment of honesty here. You don't want to man up. In fact, by the way you act, you don't want success.
What a fucking privilege. This week my grandmother broke a hip and is in the ICU. My mother is recovering from breast cancer surgery and chemotherapy. My daughter is cutting herself because of her mother's abuse and my car got totaled after a truck hit another vehicle and its tire flew into me. And you are bald? Boo hoo phaggot! Three of my good friends are cueball bald. All of them have hot women in their life. One of them is fat and ugly as fuck. He pulls ass. All of this is simply because the go after what they want.
It's not bodyfat percentage, it's not muscles, it's not hair. It's all about enjoying your life and strongly going after what you want.
I so tired of the whiny little boys that come on here with pathetic excuses and tiny problems expecting us to feel sorry for them and give them some magic answer.
Here's your brutal truth: you got what you went after. You went after excuses as to why you're unsuccessful, miserable and negative. And all the women around you see that like a neon sign. Congrats! You come across as the exact type of person you've strived to be.
The rest of us figured out that getting women is really easy. You just go after what you want. That means sacrificing your entitlement that everyone should feel sorry for you for stupid shit that isn't even a problem.
Come back when you actually want success. You can lie to everyone else, but I'm sick of these "woe is me" man-princess posts.
I don't feel sorry for you and you're being a little bitch, which is pussy repellant for women.
Manofcave 16h ago
If I didn't want sucess i wouldn't even try,eat doritos and drink soda while playing vidya all day, why the fuck would I put myself through all this shit+ risk going into depression as i have gone before. All to have a chance to get what I want.
I get the fair criticism that my mentality is the problem which I agree and thank you for pointing it out.
I literally can't change immutable characteristics of my body and owning them makes me less desirable. Still for my own mental peace I will own my genetic limitations going forward.
Musicgoon78 2 12h ago
Risk? Did you die? You only will get some version of no. I get told no all the time. I've made it to my 40's not once did I come close to death or walk away bleeding when a girl said no. That's just part of a conversation.
Go back and read your response to me and others. You constantly give rebuttals with something negative. This is your love affair with negativity and victimhood.
If you can't have fun when trying to meet women, you aren't going to have success. No one wants to be around negativity.
Manofcave 12h ago
I really don't give a fuck if I'm rejected by one woman, i give a fuck if I'm rejected by all of them
I agree I need to change my negative mindset and i will start small from today to change that
I really think a lot of things are wrong with me and I'm working on what I can
First-light 19h ago
Brutal is a strong word. There isn't anything brutal to be said here. You are 20. There is plenty of time left. Manning up usually involves something along the lines of smiling and saying "It hurts/ will hurt but I don't mind that much, I am going to get on with this and come out just fine at the end" and then seeing it through in that spirit.
You haven't tried anything for years on end yet. You are 20. You have made some experiments. There is lots more to try and more to learn at the things you have tried.
So to man up get a smile on. All of life's challenges go better with a smile.
What kind of man would you like next to you in a tight scrape? A guy full of positive energy, strength and confidence (funnily enough this is the guy women would choose too). Be that guy for yourself. No one else will stand next to you in a tight spot by choice unless you can be that guy to some extent. Until you can attract others to stand with you, you must be that man for yourself. No one else will or can. Master that and they will come.
Guys who have not really suffered much in life and have lived too much in their own minds often fail to realise the value of a smile "Chin up boy, Get a smile on. Play up and play the game". In the 60's the young educators of the world mocked that advice. They thought they knew better than their fathers and grandfathers who had fought in two world wars. School masters stopped saying that to miserable boys. Fathers got told it was almost child abuse. Generations of weak mopey faggots followed. Feel sorry for yourself, few others will. Feel positive, others will stand with you.
Manofcave 16h ago
I'll change my mentality if that's what it takes.
I will be 100% honest, I got a few good years in me I'll learn more and try harder to improve and adapt, if that fails im gonna mgtow and live in the wilderness till I die
First-light 16h ago
Its not a big change that is needed, just practise putting a brave happy face on it. (None of us are perfect at this but it does help both us and others when we manage it).
MGTOW is fine but it is preferable to have had long term relationships with women first. Then you know what you are choosing and know you could stop it if you wanted. It then becomes empowering not helpless. You will get the experience to choose.
You are only 20. At 20, I had done almost nothing in life but study things. I had not even studied the things I would make a living from for most of my life yet. I had never approached a woman or even seriously contemplated getting the courage to try to. I had actually run away from a couple of interested girls mostly because I was too afraid that I would give myself away as a loser, if I actually had more than the most passing of conversations with a female. You are way ahead of me at 20. I turned out OK, you will too.
Manofcave 15h ago
Boss, you lifted up my spirits and gave me a smile. I will make sure to never bitch about on this website ever. Ty boss
I hope God blesses you
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superhitops 8h ago
I think this height thing is a shit test that most guys fail. If she comes with that, and you fail, she saves time and vets you out. You succeed and things may keep going.
And if she is indeed that shallow, no LTR is possible, whatever the result. No unicorm lost. Next.