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So, I’ve been seeing this 20-year-old regularly for close to eight months now. She’s very supportive, feminine, girly, has a great personality, and although she’s not the best-looking girl I’ve been with, she’s still very cute and really loves me—girlfriend material.
The one issue I had with her was related to sex. She’s a virgin and Muslim (I’m Muslim too), and although we avoid PIV, she still takes care of me in other ways on occasion. That said, this was a major issue early on, but because I wanted to keep her supportive energy in my life, but also not force anything on her, we made an arrangement.
Since my last breakup almost two years ago, I vowed to no longer offer exclusivity, and that’s worked great for me. I’m very honest about that fact early on with women, and unsurprisingly, it does turn a few off—but many more respect my honesty. So that’s that.
I told my girl early on that sex is non-negotiable for me and that exclusivity isn’t something I do, and she accepted.
Concurrently, I’ve been seeing another girl regularly (for about five months now). She’s 19, very bright, soft-spoken, has a relaxing presence, and is head over heels for me. She’s down for anything and everything—heck, I sometimes have to tone things down.
This little situation has been going smoothly for a few months now, with a lot of enjoyment and genuine fulfillment (love feels good). Practically zero conflict or toxicity.
However, the 19-year-old is about to leave the country permanently, and the 20-year-old has been hinting at marriage.
At first, it was jokingly—probing, obviously—joking about carrying my children, then asking about my intentions, then steering conversations toward the topic, playing relevant songs, etc.
Tonight, we went for a short night drive, and she came forward much more assertively than usual, saying, "My friends told me that you should marry me," and asking about my stance on marriage.
I told her what I usually say: "I’m not ready for that—it doesn’t even enter my mind." Which is true; I’m neither financially nor mentally ready. It’s a serious matter.
To which she responded, "When you think you’ll be ready, are you thinking of marrying me?"
Now, that’s the question I dreaded. I really like her—she’s a great girlfriend—but honestly, no, I don’t want to marry her. I still long for a girl similar to (but superior to) my previous ex. But I can’t tell her that, so I just said, "I don’t know."
She didn’t get mad or anything, and that’s what makes it hard for me. She’s really supportive and plays the girlfriend role very well. It’d be easier if there were conflict—I could rationalize ending the relationship. But that’s not the case, and I appreciate her for that.
Now, since the one-year mark is approaching, I’d already been thinking of gradually distancing myself from her—gently, slowly. I don’t want to build a life with her, marry her, or have her carry my children. I also don’t want to give her false hope, drag this out, or fool her in any way. But at the same time, I don’t want to hurt her, and I have to accept that I will disappoint her. I know what I want and what I don’t want.
Anyway, this is just a melancholic rant.
What would be a tactful approach to this situation?
I suppose I already know the answer, and it’s true—I do. I’m planning to let it burn out slowly. She’s smart and a woman—she knows what she wants, and she’s probably already put two and two together by now and I sincerely wish her the best, because she deserves it.
Time to take out my fishing rod.
ADDITIONAL CONTEXT: In Morocco, the average girl is hunting for a wedding. Typically, it is the more westernized ones that delay the marriage thing, but most women are itching to get cuffed as soon as possible. And I don't blame them for that. That being said, marriage laws here are becoming more westernized (i.e. lopsided in favor of women) and it is creating massive rifts in society whereby men are getting turned off in larger and larger numbers. Divorce rates have been climbing too. That being said, the girls are more realistic in terms what they can get (and keep), and you can count on them to tend to the house, cook and clean and look after the children. Most are educated and are working. As far as skanks are concerned, They are very different from western girls. That warrants a whole other post.
Jackmoter 2h ago
Just say something mystic and vague like "If the universe intends for us to be together then we will".
AbusiveFather1 19h ago
Side note - this is absolutely haram (I’m sure you know). I’m from a majority Muslim region and the most popular surgery done is hymen repair. We’ve got a bunch of skanks claiming they’re chaste virgins and yet they’ve been giving up the back door since age 15.
Lionsmane8 7h ago
yup very aware of that. this one in particular doesn't give me the backdoor.
which also brings me to the topic: women are not innocent. It's just a matter of degrees.
alchemist 18h ago
Women are multipliers. You give them sperm, they give you a child, give her groceries she'll give you dinner, you give her shit she'll give you a ton of shit.
You seem disenchanted with the whole "baby" talk and "marriage" talk, yet you were the one who planted that seed (jokingly) in her mind. Every joke has a bit of the truth. Women will circle back to the tiniest crumb you gave them and bring it up out of the blue, you best believe.
My man, keep it a buck with yourself, you're able to pull and maintain a 19-year old, yet you settled for a agreeable feminine 6 from what I gather. Nothing wrong with that, but your conscience knows you can do better, and the train has reached its destination.
I'm no Muslim, but I think it's universal that pleasing a man in other ways than PIV is definitely not virgin. I met a virgin one time, she had never held hands with a man, was sweating when I held her hand on a date. Don't pedestalize this woman, see her for what she actually is, actions above words.
Either you try to milk this for a little longer, or you have the talk and depart. Only two routes. Third route is deception, but you already decided that ain't it.
Lionsmane8 6h ago
No, I didn't plant the seed. If you read what I said, she's been the one planting the seeds and dropping hints. I never give false hopes. Especially not with such matters.
I don't. But I do appreciate the good energy and good attitude she brought to me so far in a world that praises women for being insufferable narcissistic bitches.
alchemist 5h ago
Ok, I see that you didn't introduce the topic now, but it's your job to dissuade the topic especially if you're opposed to it. The pink elephant effect. What are you thinking about now? A pink elephant, if I didn't mention it you'd have never thought of it in your life.
I'm not saying you're full-force pedestalizing, but you are still trying to justifying staying with her even after you've come to the conclusion that both your paths don't align 1. and 2. she's not as attractive as you like and 3. she wants to lock down a man because her biological timeline is different than yours.
Again, you give, she follows. Seems like she's leading this convo, it's your job to shut it down. If that's her non-negotiable, it's never going to work. In my experience when it gets to that sort of a talk, it's a matter of 1-2 weeks until either she breaks up with you, or you can't handle the bickering and cut ties.
Analysis paralysis.
Also, out of interest where are you pulling these 19 year olds? I assume you're a good 5 years older no?
Lionsmane8 4h ago
nah and yah, I am not justifying staying with her, rather I am preparing mentally and emotionally for the inevitable fiddling of what we have. I want it to happen without conflict or bad blood.
No, I am 34. I see pretty girl, I talk to her. I talk to pretty girl, turns out she has a good head on her shoulders and a good personality/attitude, then it clicks and they follow through (i.e. makes it easy to see her and move things forward).
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MrSupreme 16h ago
Stay true to yourself, if you know what to do then act accordingly and figure out the best approach to do it. Don't think for even a split second that you have to consider marriage with this girl if you just don't wanna, and I can't say for certain since I'm not a muslim but less than a year sounds awfully early to be having that kind of conversation. Just be loving while doing it, gentle and let her go. And find yourself the fun girl you do see yourself with. but also expect a similar thing to happen in time.
Lionsmane8 6h ago
Yes, even if I had her on the marriage shortlist, 1 year is still too short to consider that.