I'm 26, I was born with a very small skeletal frame (my wrists are less 6 inches around). Most of my life I weighed 110 lbs at 5'7. I've been hitting the gym HARD for 3 years, 5 days a week. Calorie surplus, enough protein, everything. Now, most of my newbie gains are gone. I've gained like 70 lbs and I still don't look like I lift. My biceps are still under 14 inches. Most people that I've met at the gym get to my size in 6 months. It's humilliating.
My background is in Biology and I remember reading a study in college where they got like 100 new lifters and put them on a 3 month training program while monitoring their nutrition. Some lifters gained 5 lbs, some gained 30. My point being that genetics vary wildly and unfortunately I was just dealt a bad hand. I just happen to be on the far low end of responders.
I don't want to be small forever. Life is unfair but that doesn't mean we have to like it. Should I start taking steroids ? Should I get silicone implants ? Inject synthol ? I'd like to know what you people think.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago Stickied
Alright dude you already asked this under a different username, you're just being an askhole at this point and you've been flaired accordingly
You are also required to try to answer your own question in AskTRP somewhere in the post
SpecAl123 Can't think for myself 3w ago
This is my first post in here...
Vermillion-Rx Admin 3w ago Stickied
It is not.
Edit: you absolutely did, admin doesn't owe you an explanation. But beyond that here are your posts:
First-light 3w ago
Try to find what you are good at physically. We all have weaknesses that it is good to work but in the end even if we do not go with our strengths, we miss out. Even if you did get massive muscles on a naturally small frame, your organs would just be overloaded all the time. Putting crap into your body like implants won't make it better and further overloading your organs with the effects of AAS to just attain marginally better results will further stress it. AAS are about improved margins they can't change fundamentals and they come at a cost -financial, health and constant stress tinkering variables that would just naturally be OK if you were not messing with yourself.
Find a sport that suits you and strength train for it. Then you will have a great body that looks and feels right. Lifting to get big is not for you. Your body is telling you that. Be your best self not someone else's idea of best. Get to like yourself.
SpecAl123 Can't think for myself 2w ago
I get that but isn't this forum always talking about how important lifting is and how you need to be muscular to get respect ?
First-light 2w ago
Maybe I am a bit of an outsider there. Just seems to me that there are a lot of guys not weight training for muscle bulk gain who doing just fine in life, fine with other men and fine with women. There are some jacked guys with lots of plates, there are some who are henpecked husbands and some who are incels. So I end up thinking its not really that big a deal how jacked a guy is.
I think its got more to do with how the man see's himself. Getting muscular is one way to fairly earn self respect. You can't buy a great body. I think that is the crucial thing here. If a man feels he is improving himself by hard work, that will be a huge confidence boot. He has earned his body. If he felt intimidated by bigger guys, he will feel more confident. If women never noticed him for anything, at least he is noticed for achieving muscles (which are a manly thing) and then he feels good and he starts talking confidently with women. But this is all for a guy who doesn't have enough elsewhere in life to be proud and confident about so that the muscles matter to him.
From what you say, in your case, you have done the hard work but the rewards have not come, so you have not increased your self respect as much as you had hoped -which is pretty tough and I do sympathise because you made the commitment and did the work.
I am a bit concerned how much excess baggage you have put on your frame. You are not your best self carrying 70lbs. What if you were to lose it and become a weight class power lifter? That I would get. Then if you really want we can talk about AAS. Cruise and blast test? add winny cycles that won't add too much weight? add deca to offset the dryness of winny or try BP157 and TB500 instead because of shorter detection windows? What about PT 141 and/ or cialis to offset deca dick if you get it? what to do for your liver and your HDL Cholesterol? Its a pandora's box. But all the messing your body about might be worth it if you were winning even on a personal level. Women would get it too if you started to win on a public level. What a guy looks like is not as important as if he is a winner. Success is really all you want to achieve for yourself and for women.
I had a good illustration of this the other day. One of my daughters (a pretty and popular girl who is a reigning regional endurance running champion) crashed out of the big local road race that she had been tipped to win. She had a vomiting bug and could not stop throwing up at the road side one mile from the finish. A crowd of local women supporters and a paramedic were with her by the time I got there. The first thing she asked me when she could speak was how her boyfriend got on. "He won the whole race" Everything changed. The women (most of whom I don't think know the guy as he is from the next town) started to congratulate her like she had won. Later on her social media were photos of her with the bunch of flowers he was given when he got his medal and cheque. The guy is not jacked, not tall, not rich, wears glasses, acts Beta by buying small gifts and texting several times a day to check how she is and he has pretty terrible acne too but he is a sound guy who applies himself and succeeds. Just about every woman in town was jealous of her by the end of the day even though she was vomiting at a roadside in defeat.
They win when you win. But when you try hard its nothing to them without success (because they do not gain benefit as per Briffault). So you need to find something where you can succeed if you are doing this to achieve gains with women.
What you have proved to yourself is that you can dedicate yourself and try. This is a huge personal win and will set you up for better things, now go and get a public win somewhere where you are naturally capable.
SpecAl123 Can't think for myself 2w ago
Do you have any AAS recommendations ?
First-light 2w ago
Use least harmful substance that will achieve your aims. But seriously, will they help you more than a small amount? Is the idea of being really muscular practically attainable for you even with AAS.
If you must; buy all your gear before you start including and an AI and Nolva and Clomid for PCT. The supply chain of illegal drugs cannot be relied on, so lay in a store. You may hate this and want hop off at some unexpected point, so have PCT to hand even if planning blasting and cruising. Run a test base. Start at a sensible level, do blood work before and during. Start low and go slow. Work out from bloods what test dose works for you as TRT because you may blast and cruise and you may well find yourself on TRT anyway as a result of this anyway if you take it too far or are just unlucky. Then find out what works as a small blast. Find out at what level you need to control aromatisation. Add to later cycles the least harmful compounds you can to achieve your goals. These will be the usual suspects. Unless your biology is freaky, the usual suspects will be your best friends. Primo and Var for example are not that harsh if you keep the cycles short and at reasonable doses. Avoid the harsh compounds. Better still avoid AAS. I have.
As with all things in training, what you actually want is gradual incremental success. Just because the champions do massive things to stimulate the last unexploited drop of their potential, you do not need to do those things. Keep it steady and regular and you will get regular gains, Blast a gram of test, some harsh companions and 6 ius of HGH a day and all you have done is skipped all those easy steady gains that might have come to you long before you needed to reach for harsh stuff. You also need to understand that your tendons won't keep pace with your muscles if you go too fast. All you need is regular small gains. There is a reason the usual suspects are usually used. They get results and limit harm. Most people who reach for AAS are greedy by nature and they overreach. Just look at the freakshow of people who used too much. You only get one body. Make it the best it can be, not what you think someone else's idea of what it should be is.
Liking yourself for who you are will be much more powerful in your life than any AAS.
mattyanon Admin 3w ago
Sure, but you've still put on 70 lb of muscle - that's more than 99% of other men in the world.
I think you're focusing on the negatives. It's always tempting to blame bad genetics, but everyone has pros and cons and life isn't fair - all we can do is crash on with what we've got.
SpecAl123 Can't think for myself 3w ago
I have not gained 70 lbs of muscle. I've gained 70 lbs of bodyweight. People can only gain about 35 lbs lbs of muscle in their lifetime
mattyanon Admin 2w ago
urgh, get rid of that bodyfat
SpecAl123 Can't think for myself 2w ago
But then I'd be small again
Musicgoon78 2 3w ago
It's sounds like you've got a lot of work to do. Not with your body. But with your thoughts process.
First off, your suggestions are fucking gaytarded. Let just say that you get silicone implants or synthol. You're going to look like a fucking moron. It's not going to get you laid or respected. In fact you'll probably be the laughing stock of whatever community you live in.
People will know you're severely mentally ill and insecure and definitely steer clear of you.
Now, your attitude sucks. It's awful! Ditch that victim mentality. You're doing great by lifting. Continue that. You need to work in some social skills. Start going out by yourself and doing fun things that you like. While you're there, talk to people. You need friends. Ones that will tell you that synthetically altering your body is a dumb idea.
Women and men don't think alike. Keep this in mind. Men are more visually based with attraction. Women like personality and dominance. You've got to work on your social skills and fix your attitude bro.
No-Stress-Cat 3w ago
Who let the fembot in? She seems to be getting shorter and younger with each post. Lawl.
SeasonedRP 1 3w ago
After the newbie gains, when you hit the intermediate phase, training hard doesn't matter nearly as much as training smart. You need to figure out how to adjust your routine to make further gains. Without knowing anything about you or your routine, your emphasis on "HARD" suggests you're probably taking your main sets on the compound lifts to failure or near-failure, grinding out the last few reps, and probably doing too much overall volume. That works for newbies but as you get more advanced, it impedes your recovery, and thus you don't grow or get stronger. I see this all the time in commercial gyms. Silicone implants and synthol are stupid, and steroids would be a waste and likely not as effective as you think because it's doubtful that your training and recovery are dialed in such that you're near your potential.
joyboy 2w ago
Dude you probably still look good. I have similar stats as you but i get complimented on my physique frequently. If you have a small frame you probably have a snatched waist too so your shoulder-waist ratio is good and aesthetic. Stop being so hard on yourself