Answer: MGTOW is probably the way forward for someone like myself. Tough pill to swallow but it is what it is. Life isn’t fair.

When it comes to women, they say that "you can love them or you can understand them" If you understand them, you certainly can't love them on your terms. Relationships meet in the middle. No one gets it all on their terms. You have to see the other side of things too. If you are going to have relationships with women, you need to compromise your values and give them some of that they want.

The red pill is bitter. This is the bitterness. The rosy notion that a man and a woman are the same and she will be your companion in life and treat you equally is just a lie. You were born with a dick. Things don't come to you when you wail. It would be easier to be a queer and get pursued by men or at least just ask for sex and get it without strings or effort. Chew that pill and swallow it like a man.

Equality is just some bullshit notion some liberals dreamed up in some universities. It is against nature. Go to an athletics meet and see what happens. There is no equality past the starting line. The starting line is actually just fairness, the winner takes his prize fairly. Separate fairness from equality in your mind. Fairness is something humans are naturally calibrated to feel is just and right. People do not feel happy when things are not fair. Equality is just a liberal social construct -hollow.

Women like getting stuff. It makes them feel secure. They need to feel secure more than men do because they are weaker physically and emotionally. The acceptance of the bullshit notion of equality has given women a lot of stuff they like politically and financially. So they will usually back it (at least in any debate) but what they actually want is benefit -the impersonal benefit that the idea of equality brings from all men paying into society and the benefit they want from a personal relationship with an individual man.

Be aware that you are looking at women from the male end of the telescope. You think they are "self harming" but this is far from how they see it. Get friendly with Briffault's law. This really is an essential part of the red pill view of the world. Yeah its bitter too. Women seek benefit from relationships with men. So they ideally want a higher value man than they are, they want a successful rich man. They want him to take the lead and curate exciting experiences for them. They want to be courted, treated and adored. They want to be protected by him from fear of the word, from insecurity and loneliness. They want him to take the lead in negotiating business and social things. This is the opposite of self harm, this is getting stuff.

I have raised a number of daughters from a number of mothers and I can tell you that they all want these things. Your job as a man is to give them some of this in return for some of what you want form them, in a FAIR way not an equal one because that would just be unfair to you both as you are not fit to give equally of the same things.

Now women might like to be shown you are bigger and stronger than them. The odd kinky one might even like to be smacked, strangled or bitten or something (I think its too risky to indulge them in this current legal climate in case they suddenly decide its not fun any more) but they really don't want to be abused (remember they are weaker and more needy, abuse hurts them deeper than it hurts you). They want to feel that their man is big and strong and so can care for them and will probably treat them for making him feel so big and strong.

They will promise to obey you at the altar but actually they mean "curate my life for me" They will actually be all too fast to tell you they don't want or like something later on. I recall telling my ex wife at the end "You promised to obey me and I never once called that promise in, but how many times did you just do what you wanted knowing I would not like it?"

Forget any notion of equality. If you actually get into a LTR with a woman you will find that her weakness makes you treat her as special. You have to treat them all a bit like your daughter. My current lady complains when I help teenage daughters who can't yet drive places or work for money but say to her "But you are a grown up, you should do it for yourself" If you didn't treat her a bit like your child, Briffault's law would soon get her to pack up once the infatuation passed. But this is not her abusing herself or you abusing her, its actually her taking advantage of your thirst to get what she wants -a curated life, personally, lovingly curated for her.

In the end there is no such thing as equality. Women have the magic wombs and men dance to the tune of their neediness and sometimes their greediness. Understand the red pill just lets you navigate the pitfalls of their greed and the law's unfairness, making things safer, making you seek more fairness from women and from society.

Per the AskTRP rules you also need to try to answer your own question in the post somewhere

Also it's called hypergamy. They want a partner of greater value than themselves. That's how women are. If you can't accept that than MGTOW is more appropriate

Because that goes against my values.

You mean biology and evolution goes against your values? K.

It's a feature, not a bug.

You're not wrong per se, but the negative/pessimistic spin you put on it is coming from a place of lack of success with women. You're making water being wet out to be some sort of morally outrageous thing. It has nothing to do with "self-harm", and everything to do with what actually makes women content in life. So if you want to talk about "values", what sort of "value" is painting them as victims because they don't adhere to your image of what they should be like? Kind of a self-centered, passively-aggressively controlling "value", don't you think?

"Power.

This is a much misused term amongst both red pillers and their critics. When a woman defers decision making to a competent male (which is probably what you're talking about) she is doing so out of her own volition. Because she's into him, and life is easier that way. You can't make a woman submit to a man. If she does, she's doing it out of her own volition - because she's into the guy, and life is just easier when you're not responsible for the outcomes of decision making. And at anytime she wants, she has the "power" to withdraw that referral.

Look, we know the meaning of Briffault's Law around here. It sort of comes with the territory (TRP). And along the same lines, we also know that human beings (both men and women) are inherently gynocentrically wired. So to claim that women are of lesser power than men in relationships - even when they choose to defer decision making - falls on it's own ridiculousness. It sounds like you've been drinking the feminist cool-aid on that one.

Values, happiness, MGTOW etc.

I'm sorry you're so unhappy you wish you were gay, Really, not trying to shit on you for it. It's not a good place to be. But it should tell you two things that maybe you could start working with, rather than against: 1) You do want romantic/sexual relationships with women in your life, and 2) your "values" aren't in line with reality, and how people actually are wired. Therefore your "values" (or rather, ego-protective measures) don't serve your happiness.

There's nothing wrong with going MGTOW. But it's probably better if you based that decision on your own lived experience of what women are like when they actually fancy you, rather than on theoretical stuff you've picked up from outrage content on the internet.

I suggest you lift heavy stuff, pursue whatever you want to pursue in life (you have to do that anyways, whether or not you write off women), ly off the anger content, and get started on the side bar and the referenced litterature. Any life decision coming from a place of resentment is probably not a good decision happiness-wise.

Bro....

First of all stop referring to girls as "They". That's some black pill faggotry.

Now if you want to throw in the towel that's completely fine. It's your human right to give up or be miserable or live like a hermit. I find it rather sad.

The truth is women want to submit to a strong man. That's the price of admission my brother. The vast majority of guys are ok with that. Equality isn't realistic.

When there are feminine roles, you won't be able to fulfill them and she won't fulfill the masculine roles. It's a balance. You each play complimentary roles to each other.

I'm going to say this because men these days don't really understand this concept:

A relationship isn't a power struggle!

You don't have power struggles with your friendships do you? That wouldn't be a friendship. If a woman gives you a power struggle that's a shitty woman. You can look for someone that suits you. They are out there. You can stay on your high horse and put a very negative spin on a beautiful thing called love. I choose not to be so fatalistic. There too many negative and uncreative people in the world. And that mentality is corrosive and abusive.

However. It is your life and absolutely your right to give up and hop on that express train to Negative-town.

Ever really dig into and observe the age old hot girl likes the bad boy? This is especially prevalent among young women 18-25 age range. They complain he treats her like shit, doesn't ever seem to care, always doing what he wants, etc. But they keep going back to him. Why? He has established himself in an authoritarian position in whatever dynamic exists between the two of them and he isn't going to negotiate for some kind of equal treatment or whatever else you want to call it.

For as much shit as women love to give us about thinking with the small head, they are much worse at this age thinking only of the tingles between their legs when they're around a man like this that they find attractive.

Still want to argue about nature?