Im 25 yo. Some time ago I broke up with LTR due to me not wanting to have kids and she wanted it at the end, so we were incompatible. Currently new LTR as I don't enjoy spinning plates, and the topic of kids came out. She says she always wanted kids and family, I told her I don't. It is kinda related to my childhood and lack of family values, but nowadays whats the point of having a kid? I view it as egoistic in a sense, many people have kids but they forget it's another concious being put in the blue pilled system in which it will mostly suffer if not guided correctly. Am I overthinking it and riding against the biology here or maybe there is some truth to it and kids aren't that bad? Even then I think you should have almost ideal socioeconomic situation for this, and currently it is so hard to have a house etc. that's like selecting hard mode just for the pressure of it. What do you think?
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Lone_Ranger 3 11mo ago
the entire point of sexual intercourse is to reproduce.
everyone that is interested in sex, is interested in reproduction. without the desire for children, there is no sex.
Musicgoon78 3 11mo ago
If you're not ready, don't do it. I love my daughter. But I was baby trapped. If you have a kid, the kid isn't yours until adulthood. Chances are in these days, you'll get the kid taken from you simply because you have a penis.
Mosomoso 11mo ago
Interesting perspective. However if the kid is taken away from you and raised with values that strongly differ from yours, he/she won't be yours in adulthood either. How do we prevent that?
FatRPNewbie 11mo ago
This is fact. I am Exhibit A.
Despite that, I will remarry and have more kids. OP, you're not wrong in everything you say. My approach going forward will be to NOT be like the parents you refer to.
We are the heroes we've been waiting for.
MrSupreme 11mo ago
Oh man it was in my plans once upon a time. I see a lot of people having kids like they're running out of time, their economic situation worsens a bunch because they couldn't afford it in the first place. I also see it makes peoplevery happy to see the baby grow up and teaching them things and stuff.
I woudln't have a kid if i couldn't afford it And i wouldn't have a kid if a proper functional family is not going to be provided as well.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
My wife and I had a kid just a few weeks ago.
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It was delicious.
First-light 2 11mo ago
Its got to be a personal answer but I was very much for having kids and have had kids with 4 different women.
I don't want any more -I am looking towards retiring from being a provider and doing some more of my own stuff but I recon I have earned my retirement. I am not against the job of being a father. I am very grateful for my kids.
Kids are a stake in the future. They are all you can really leave behind. If that is egotistical then no worries, that egotism got us all here. I think that one is generally happier in the end if one goes with nature than against it. Note however, that you will be likely to be unhappier in your relationships if you have kids. They add a strain to the dynamic and science bears this out. However, without them old age is going to be a very lonely time and satisfaction and love are in my mind more important types of happiness than the fun you can have with a girl friend.
One thing I would advise men is don't worry too much about the money. Its going to cost and you are also going to get by whatever. People are generous to kids and will give them hand me down clothes and such. No kids starve in the western world unless they have criminally dysfunctional parents.
The biggest fear is the way women have all the legal power in anything to do with kids. You are for some reason regarded as the support act not the leader of the show. Knowing what I now know of how the law can bite you over kids and fearing to put myself in a woman's hands, I would be a lot more afraid of approaching having kids these days but in the end, there are still a lot of ways you can protect yourself and they will only come for your money not your soul.
Ideally work for yourself, live frugally and keep your assets private from the start. It is then really very hard to extract maintenance payments of any size from you.
Be aware that having kids will be challenging at times -emotionally and financially. However the other choice is life -lite. You are designed to drink life original strength. You will be OK .
EmpireCrimson 11mo ago
I always wanted kids. I had (and still have) a good relationship with my father, so there was never a good reason not to have kids. Even when I was younger and dating I knew that eventually I would want to settle down and have a family. To your point, you have at least some of your financial affairs in order before having kids. I knew that my parents wouldn't be able to buy me a house or anything like that, so I had to go out and do it on my own. I purchased my first condo in 2004 and lived there on and off until I moved into it in 2014 or so with my wife and two small children. We then worked and saved and got a new home a few years ago.
I love every day of it. I run a small business instead of working for someone else because I enjoy being around my kids. Teaching them, raising them, all of it. Yes, there's even some RP built into the curriculum. Yes, it's hard, but the rewards are priceless.
coolsocks00 1 11mo ago
Kids are great.
You need an income that leaves you room to do the kinda stuff you want even with the kids, and with the potential risk of having to pay child support down the line.
You also need a solid woman. A girl who’s mentally and physically fit and you think will handle pregnancy well. One you’re sure you’d want to get back to banging the shit out of even right after pregnancy. And is a good first mate for your ship.
If you get that far, have kids!
adam-l Moderator 11mo ago
You are not wrong.
https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/hjw6yr/why_there_is_no_biological_justification_for/