why is getting women considered bad motivation for becoming better (build more muscle, get more money, etc)? i understand if it's for catering to specific women and basically being a more productive slave for them, but why is it bad if your motivation is to have more/better looking women in your life? we have it so good in the 21st century (1st world countries), that even a minimum wage job is sufficient to have all a normal human could need, like good food, a warm bed, at least mid-level healthcare (provided there's no debt/serious sickness/child support in the picture).
personally, as a guy raised in a 3rd world country, life as a working class american is more than enough for me - I never dreamed of a lambo or whatever, I just wanted access to the aforementioned things, so that I could enjoy my hobbies/read books in peace, and the only reason i'd want to level up is if I'd have kids or seek more/higher SMV women.
CleansingFire 3w ago
It always comes back around to sex anyways. Remember selfish gene theory we exist as the expression of shoe strings made of molecules and are driven to survive and propagate by design. Everything else revolves around those two goals. This is why a lack of female companionship is what really kills the souls of incels it signifies being a dead end- a surplus male. I think however that doing things that uplift your family and community can also give a feeling of purpose since it aids your genes in a tertiary manner.
whytehorse2021 4w ago
I never had success putting women first. It was only when I put myself first that I had success.
mattyanon Admin 4w ago
I don't think it's bad.
Working hard on your muscles to get girls is fine.
Nobody fucking loves cardio and dieting for its own sake.
sean_karaya 4w ago
I had this argument here.
I am speaking the following on my own behalf. Even if I speak in imperatives or in second person in the following, it is merely to maintain a flow of text - and is not a command or judgement.
In fact, you have already answered it partially :
basically being a more productive slave for them
Now, for me:
My motivation is my own personal thing. It is not controlled by any external "woman" pantomiming motivation into me. In fact the outward to inward injection of motivation is fighting with my own motivation. Allowing a woman to be the prize for your self improvement is like allowing a sparrow to ride an eagle, which is fatal.
This implicitly allows the woman to be the controller. You implicitly place her on a pedestal.
On the other hand, the other remix of the same idea of letting women be your motivation is, if you do X, then women will come. But that is a parasite, a "winner fucker". That I not a woman I want. Therefore, rubbing it in my face, that fundamentally I am alone, and only can get to cosplay a "relationship" if I compensate in some ways, is the kind of negativity that I dont need in my life.
I will remain a blackpiller/incel/fuck my hand/ insert categorization here - that's fine.
But I will still wake up every morning with a motivation to continue my UAV business, continue with buying real estate, continue parachuting because I like to watch my shadow on the clouds, and continue my adventures with my doll.
again, to recap, this is my personal outlook.
As a reference point, you can compare my ideas, of why it is not motivating for me to think about women, here is OsloMGTOW describing why women who come after you own is not more valued than discarded newspaper.
sean_karaya 4w ago
To mods and tech team: the html parser has gone mad.
That is to say, if i write anything enclosed in angle brackets, i.e. less than and greater than signs, it will try to parse that as an html tag, will mostly fail, and remove it. There needs to be a sanitizer.
While I am happy that the button click to post does not reload the comments component issue has been resolved, here am I whining about the next bug.
pofkaf 1mo ago
Women should never be the focus of a man's life. For anything.
Putting women at the focus of a man's life is actually a turn off for women. Because they think, "Doesn't he have anything better to do?"
You should improve your physique and style to feel better about yourself. You should progress your career so you can buy and experience cool shit. You should develop hobbies because you enjoy learning new things.
Women will naturally come.
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
I don't know why you were downvoted, but have my anti-downvote upvote.
You have a good point, unfortunately, this advice comes at the second half of the game.
Gotta get through the Taking-The-Red-Pill-Forcefully-Up-The-Ass first half of the game first.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Not the downvoter but because guys see a post asking about something against mental point of origin, depending on women for anything at all, which is advised against om TRP, and then downvote
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 1mo ago
A lot of dudes start out doing that shit to get chicks.
Somewhere along the line, many of them realize that all that work has other benefits, and that beyond sex most women are more hassle than they're worth.
That's when those men start doing those things without women as the motivator.
Dxmx99 3w ago
And then, at some point, you think..
Well, fuck, no chick's dig this either way. I like it, but holy shit is that a lonely road.
YSK, don't become obsessive and completely disregard women and wbat they find attractive.
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 3w ago
Not sure I get what you're trying to say.
MrSupreme 1mo ago
I think it is a great place to start,but not as a sole purpose.I started out seeing some pickup vids a while ago,then I wanted to pick up MILfs and that's where I found Roissy and started reading about dark triad.Then the rest of the red pill after that.
Ended up in a whole different place.Women can mark the spot but they're not the prize
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 1mo ago
Part of it has to do with frame and mental point of origin. It's too easy to get your motivations twisted and wind up doing things "for" women, when you're better off doing them for yourself, and let attracting better women remain downstream of that.
EurasianChad 1 1mo ago
Its good for getting you started, but ultimately the biggest reward is internal validation. The complete trust in yourself. The kind of trust that will allow you to ensure that you make the right decisions for your own well being, and eventually the well-being of the people you care about.
Lionsmane8 1mo ago
Reproduction drive is a kickstarter towards your journey of self-improvement.
After a while, you do it for the intrinsic satisfaction.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1mo ago
If you look at RP theory, it's about maximizing your potential, your options in life.
RP asks you , what do you want in life? What is your goal/s?
It also explains the Male/female landscape and removes the false info provided by society. (Red Pill). It does so to make you understand what women are attracted to, what they want, their mating strategies. This is done to allow you to take advantage of that information, to whatever it is you want.
Do you want to slay women, ok, here's how you do it Do you want a trophy wife, ok , here's what you do Do you want a good women to raise your kids, ok here's the info Do you want to ignore women, ok, no problem, red pill is information only, not telling you how to live.
So, yes, if you are doing things, only to attract women, that's not really RP .
If you want to live a life that includes women, RP is showing you what they are attracted to and how to get them.
See the difference?
Women are just an add on to your life. What does she add to "your" life.
You mention, higher SMV women and/or kids
Yes, if you want a hot girl for a ONS, you better be good looking. For a LTR, include have money, or both. RP warns you about hypergammy and getting a woman who's above your SMV for LTR comes with many risks. Shit, any woman in a LTR comes with risks, so be aware and don't mix your finances.
If you have kids, well, you are screwed if she wants to take advantage of you. Best thing we can do in that case is the following.
1) Try to pick wisely. Pick a girl at max your smv, no higher. Take your time vetting her, 2+ years. 2) Stay in shape, live your life the way you want. Don't let her take control and go on cruise control. You are the captain.
That's what RP advises. Does that mean women are bad motivation?
No, it means, be in a position to walk away and get what you want. Its in "your" interest.
*Stay in shape for you. It's good for your physical and mental health. It also attracts women
So, what do you want? Do you like a girl who "lusts" for you? Or do you want to pay a hooker or go in monk mode?
Are you happy, getting an at most, smv 5 girl , who, lets you have sex once or twice a year, her way?
Or, do you want a smv 7 girl who tells you, do what you want with me, use me.
Do you want to coast along in middle class america? Nothing wrong with it, it's what "you" want. If you want to spend more time on hobbies and chilling out, then that's what you want. But, don't complain about not getting things you want is what most guys here would say.
There's also limits. I could have gone into middle mgmt and made more money. But I would have sacrificed any free time and not being around to raise my boys. I made a decision not to and got as high as I can go in technical area. Life decisions, based on what you want , but also when you have a family, it's including them in your plans.
Life is all about personal preference and choices.
But, it's good to have options. RP wants you to keep those options open.
I hope you life an interesting life.
SpiritualEnema 1mo ago
This is one of the best things I’ve read today. Thanks for taking the time to write all that up.
Much better than I could have done myself.