Hello, fellow RP Broski’s :)
It seems I will be ‘biting the bullet’ and trying out some mental health medication.
Now, now… Before y’all barge in with -hit the gym bro (I already do, bench 2x plates for 12x reps without issue, preach HIT/Sprints and my body is sculpted)
-study stoicism bro (I already do, however, I lead by emotion and not logic, despite being fully aware… Goal of meds is to ‘switch off’ the emotion triggers)
-Use therapists bro (I have… To tap into my ‘narcissistic traits’, it appears I have eons more knowledge than the several I have tried out and they are unable to assist at all with my situations!)
As mentioned, my goal is to heavily suppress and plausibly turn off my emotionally driven side. This has gotten me into loads of unecessary trouble, hence the soon to be utilization of meds.
From research, I am leaning toward taking either Prozac, or Wellbutrin. (Possibly combo of both)
Wondering if any RP bros have recommendations of meds they might be on, along with if they have experiences of utilizing the above mentioned ones.
I hear ‘horror stories’ that it makes a man not go to the gym anymore (I like to think my know how and resolve is far superior to whatever lazy feeling tries to take over, as I know working out is life and I will continue to do so) - along with ones libido becoming null.
Eagerly awaiting your responses.
phteven 11mo ago
Wellbutrin is a fine choice, steady and lightly speedy. Almost like a constant slight buzz, I see it as a life enhancer more than anything else. Useful for ADHD, addiction, depression etc, Only one I've tried that didn't make me lethargic as hell. Got back to my fighting weight after I gained a lot on lexapro.
Loads of people will tell you antidepressants take away your edge, this is the only one that doesn't for me. I feel sharper, there is a reason it is used for ADHD treatment. I can see the argument for "drugs r bad", but if it keeps you off of worse stuff like booze and smokes I'd say it is worth it.
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JamesSkepp Moderator 11mo ago
Your long term goal should be to actually learn how your emotions work and how to take control over them, even for the simple reason they you're not going to be taking Prozac for 10 years and not have side effects, both physical and mental.
At least before you hop on the literal magic pill try a herb called "melissa officinalis", this has been used for hundreds of years and proven to have effect of "smoothing" emotional states.
Go watch a few "mother dog disciplines her puppies" or something to that effect. You haven't learned how to stop the runaway emotions (the more emotional you are the more emotional you become). This is a behaviour that can be learned, all humans can learn this, this is evident by 8bn people not needing Prozac.
Being fully aware of the problem is nice for starters but it's not a fix in itself. Fatties are aware they are fat, gamblers are aware they are gambling. You get the idea.
Musicgoon78 3 11mo ago
My girl got on Wellbutrin. The side effects are mild and it's been shown to increase libido I steady of stunt it. She wasn't horny because of depression so it definitely helped us.
My depression is because of epilepsy. So I don't take any more pills. I already have a pill salad for breakfast.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11mo ago
You don't even mention which disorder you have. This is grossly irresponsible. I have college education on this and don't even have it in me to answer an irresponsible question like this.
Prozac is so bad. Don't even bother. Can't speak to Wellbutrin which does other things in the brain but again, you don't even say which disorder(s) you have, making this an irresponsible post to comment on in relation to medications
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
Wasn’t aware you need to be diagnosed with a disorder… If I were to be diagnosed, it would be ADHD, depression and what I’m now learning is an aspect/form of anxiety/paranoia…
As explained… I want to suppress my emotionally led side, switching off the belief that everyone is trying to ‘get a one up one me’ and thus going straight for aggression, ignoring all the logic/work/study/zen that I have worked hard on over the years.
I have battled with ‘I will fuck you before you fuck me’ ever since I got the power to defend myself from severe, SEVERE bullying!
This approach of being a wild dog off its leash, so to speak, has aided me in life, however, I am at the point where I can no longer be this way.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11mo ago
Getting meds also isn't going to fix your dysfunctional underlying thoughts. You're just going to be slapping a bandaid on your problems at best
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
Brother… I am aware of this.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11mo ago
Are you being serious? What psychiatrist is going to give you psychotropics without a diagnosis. You don't get to request certain meds a la carte like it's Panda Express dude.
Then get a psychiatrist. It's astonishing that you haven't and don't know how getting psychotropic medication actually works
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
Depends on your location… where I am currently, they will give your Prozac, or Wellbutrin as if they’re tictacs. You don’t need what you’re informing.
I have seen several psychiatrists, as per my initial post. As mentioned, maybe it is the ‘narcissist’ in me, but I saw no value to what they were offering.
Example for 1. Appt begins at X time… They were late, 5min, twice, to get me to their office, thus cutting into our session time. Add in sitting down, getting ready, we are now 10min gone into our session.
Despite informing them I did not want to do the - give me a 1-10 response with how you felt since our last session on X (I will debate you for hours why this method is pathetic and offers no solutions/insight), they chose to begin the session, yet again, with this.
Similar experiences with the several others.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11mo ago
It almost sounds like you are talking about therapists.
Psychiatrists sole job is to provide medications. You seem confused.
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
Where I am located… THEY, being your local GP, WILL GIVE THINGS LIKE PROZAC, WELLBUTRIN, ETC… Af if they were tictacs.
Not sure if you’re being stubborn, as you are in this field… But for someone that is, you should have the know that not everything is only ONE WAY!
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11mo ago
Ofc i know that a GP can give you one. But they will not do repeat prescriptions long term and will terminate your prescription after 1-2 times and direct you to a psychiatrist to get more, hence it is a foolish long term decision to not get an actual prescribing psychiatrist. You think you got me but you didn't. Get a psychiatrist
GPs can also only give limited kinds of psychotropics because no shit they are not mental health professionals and don't have the degree for it, and most of them are Pfizer's serotonin re-up take inhibitor crap that fucks with your head because Pfizer has its tentacles in all the doctors offices.
I don't have time for this. If you want no mental health MDs to give you the limited selection they have instead of a professional MD that can diagnosis you more specifically and give you a more beneficial and more targeted medication for your specific problem instead of Pez dispensed Pfizer shit that fucks with your head badly, then go ahead
You don know what you are talking about in the grand scheme of things
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
I think I got you?
Way to make a hypothesis there… I hope, if you’re indeed in the field, you aren’t making those ASSumptions about people.
whytehorse2021 11mo ago
He's making the distinction between a psychiatrist and a gaggle of women calling themselves therapists and nurse practitioners giving out medication willy-nilly because feelz. He's saving you from that BS, if you choose to listen to him.
Sure your GP can give you Wellbutrin to quit smoking. Sure he can give you fluoxetine for panic attacks or Bulimia or PMS. He's gonna start giving you the same 10 question depression survey though. Once you hit a certain threshold he's gonna refer you to a psychiatrist.
Do you have any idea who the people here are that you're talking to? Perhaps you need to go to a few "gurus" and pay thousands of dollars before you realize the value of the free advice given here. We do it because we're sick and tired of men killing themselves. That's it. We're volunteers. This is the suicide hotline for all intents and purposes and why we do this. Now get your head straight and act accordingly.
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
Do you have any idea who I am? No… You’re making some assed ASSumption!
For someone that is writing/preaching long walls of texts, I would have at least hoped you’d have read what I have written in its entirety, along with other comments, but I digress.
Appreciate the over concern about me taking medication… If you aren’t going to offer any input as to what I asked - being those that have taken them, what they might recommend (being meds) and what effects they had.
If you’re not going to provide what was asked… Perhaps you should invoke STFU!
No one views you as a diety, my dude.
whytehorse2021 11mo ago
Yup! Narcissist. 100% untreatable.
Devember 11mo ago
I was eating popcorn skimming theough that thread. Narcissist, troll. They come and go and no one cares .
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
You felt the need to let us know that you were eating popcorn while skimming, (thus you were doing this skimming as a lol/yeh I have some downtime and might as well see what can entertain me)… I hope you find the validation that you’re ’one cool dude’ that you need. Sincerely.
pancakesforbreakfast 11mo ago
So you identified a problem (you make poor decisions while emotional) and want to solve it (numbing your emotions chemically through drugs)
I'm thinking about taking 2 cylinders out of my car because I keep on getting pulled over by the cops for going 120 mph. Is this a good idea?
There are people who medication helps temporarily because the alternative ends up with them snorting meth or hanging themselves. Your problem does not match the proposed solution unless you left out details about the kid you have because you can't stop nutting in BPD chicks.
My read on this is you would be better off reading about CBT and mindfulness. By doing this, you can build the muscle of acknowledging your emotions without being controlled by them.
We're all human bro and have emotions. Even the most logical person makes an emotionally charged decision once in a while. Changing the chemical composition of your brain seems like overkill. The self actualized man feels the full spectrum of emotions. Learn how to make logical decisions even while emotional. It's possible.
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
Thank you for your input. Appreciate it.
I am at the point of ‘snorting meth’ , or ‘hanging myself’ - hence the need/idea to turn to the meds.
Believe me when I say, I am very skeptical, especially with the changing chemical compositions.
I, however, feel I am at my last resorts as I would love to make logical decisions, even when emotional, but it has not been ‘sticking’, so to speak and I revert back to being a dog of its leash.
whytehorse2021 11mo ago
Are you under 25? If so that's probably what's going on. Your prefrontal cortex doesn't fully develop until around that age. It's responsible for inhibition. In the meantime you have to find a catharsis, which is a safe, positive, outlet for anger. Like a punching bag or whatever.
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
35… I have many positive outlets for anger, pent up aggression, etc-etc-etc. I can be dog tired, but if I perceive something in the particular, it sets of an emotional snap, no matter what!
adam-l Moderator 11mo ago
I would suggest to keep searching for a good therapist/psychiatrist. From your descriptions, it seems that you may have quite a few years of therapy ahead of you, and medication might indeed be helpful.
You'll have to somehow fight your paranoia against the therapist/psychiatrist. It's inevitable that it will show up, so that'll be a problem. It doesn't help that many of them are blue pilled schmucks. But keep trying. Together with the other stuff you've managed, there is hope ahead.
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
Still searching and trialling…
I allow myself to be completely vulnerable, when I have my psychotherapy appointments… I just view things a certain way, especially when it comes to a professional, whom you’re paying. Maybe I am movie washed, with how I perceive sessions to be…
NeoSpartan 11mo ago
I would stay away from chemical lobotomies if I were you brother.
Find a hobby you like and stop worrying about things you can't change.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
1) most drugs' side effects are worse than whatever problem they're ostensibly treating
2) Most of these drugs ends up named in those 1-800-BAD-DRUG commercials within a few years of their introduction.
I'd try to stay away as much as possible. Most doctors are over-educated, glorified drug pushers, and just hand out harmful chemicals as if they were candy.
Victor 11mo ago
Idk about you, but in uni, all my friends did pharma made speed(amphetamines) aka Adderall, vyvanse, dexamphetamine and Ritalin(not quite as strong as former amphetamines).
It made us(group of 3-4 people) so focused and driven we literally studied a whole semesters work in a day on the first week in a 20 hour study binge marathon. We split the sections up so each session in 20 hours we'd have 60 hours of notes. We do another session like this the following week, and we learnt everything in two weeks and aced all our exams. We'd spend 40 hours studying over 2 weeks in library, then spent rest of our semester partying and mucking around.
You just go to psychiatrist and say you got AdHD and they will prescribe you it.
Have you seen the movie Focus? The movie is about a pill drug that makes you almost superhuman in terms of productivity and mental clarity.
Well, pharma made amphetamines is the closest thing to that. It's just pricey and annoying trying to book a psychiatrist. You must get a specialist to open you the script.
Only downside is you can become dependent on the drug to be productive at all.
That's a risk you have to be willing to take. Also you will lose many hours of sleep and have shortened life expectancy due to the strain amphetamines does to your central nerves system and heart if you become dependant.
But we are all adults here capable of making our own decisions so I'll put this info out there since no one else has.
Pretty much, this drug is the reason how I am so far ahead of my generation. I'm probs gonna die in my 60s, but my life is epic thanks to this drug
whytehorse2021 11mo ago
Or maybe it wasn't the drug and you just had placebo effect.
whytehorse2021 11mo ago
So there's some science behind this but you need to nail down your specific condition. There are genetic tests available. ADHD is treated with methamphetamines. Depression is interrupted, but not treated by SSRIs like Prozac(fluoxetine). Schizophrenia is treated by anti-psychotics.
Wellbutrin(Bupropion) is actually for treating bipolar personality disorders(cyclothymia) and blocks the nicotinic receptors to help smokers quit. And then we get to the personality disorders...
Narcissism, which it sounds like you have if you think you have "eons more knowledge" than multiple therapists, is considered untreatable. The core belief is one of insecurity that leads to a lifetime of delusional thinking. No amount of medication can fix this. Just a lot of honest therapy, which no narcissist will do because they know more than anybody anywhere ever because they're perfect and everyone else is a loser.
Pyth0ns 11mo ago
Thank you for your post. Is it cool if I DM you some questions?
No-Stress-Cat 11mo ago
Cool. Let us know how that works out for you.