I've been dating this girl for almost a year until we decided to make it official.
She has a lot of red flags but she did try her best to accommodate. We've had our differences, and fights too. After a big fight, we broke up and somehow made up but she had been withdrawing sex. I could smell it so I told her to have a talk. She said she met someone when we took our break but insisted nothing happened. I told her it's fine, we did break up then, if she really wanted to try and make it work, I want things to be clear and sex is just one part of it.
Well, she said what I expected - we just broke up. As I'm typing this, it makes more sense to me that this is the right thing to happen. It was not meant to be a LTR. But she was smart, has good taste, and we did have a great time without anything major happen. She was not LTR material by all red pill standards, but I liked hanging out with her because she was smart, read books, liked the same music and I could talk to her about things that other girls couldn't. Also she has a great body and the sex was amazing too. It'd be a lie to omit that. I always had a feeling it was going to end, and in some ways I'm glad it ended, but I can't help feeling bad now.
I know I'm coming across like a little bitch but I'm truly feeling like shit and my closest friend isn't in town to have a drink with. I just needed to vent it out and I'm sorry if it doesn't fit in here. I'm just trying everything to feel better now and I hate feeling like this, just suddenly remembering things that happened. As I type this out it feels like I'm getting my thoughts in order too. It kinds of put things in order.
I just took my dumbbells and lifted for a while. Now I'm playing some music, maybe play some games. Just anything to do. But I guess I needed to hear somebody tell me that things will be okay. I don't know. I was fine meeting her, but now not so much.
I think I caught oneitis big time. It happens. I was having a big roster and multiple girls for a few years, then when I decided to try LTR again, oneitis returns. I guess it's natural. I'm just writing things down now because it feels like a bad drug trip. I know I'm feeling like shit but I can't get out of it and having someone to guide me would perhaps make it better. Or just trying anything to cope.
If there's anything I learn from this is the importance of keeping yourself in top condition and never get complacent. The stress at work, the constant going to restaurants made me stray from the path. For anyone whom this might help: always keep yourself in top shape and never vent out about your stress to your girl. I made that mistake and I think it greatly contributed to her losing interest.
Like I said, I'm just ranting here. It'd be great to hear some thoughts, or tell me straight that I'm being a little bitch. It would make me feel better. Thank you.
Hugo_The_Great 11mo ago
Funny I come across this today.
I'm in the situation you were when you decided to LTR her. I see similar red flags in my girl. Likes festivals, drugs etc. Reformed hoe at best. But besides that, she's 10/10.
I'm going to establish clear boundaries for the relationship in terms of what I want in exchange for my commitment; her commitment. Which includes: No girls trips to party cities with skank friends, no clubbing without me, no getting drunk without me, be in bed by 11PM, dress modestly (especially when I'm not around), no multiple-day festivals (where you sleep in a tent), no drugs. If she agrees to this and proves to be reliable over a time period, I can see an LTR and drop the other plates.
Other things to keep focusing on for me is fitness, finances, keeping emotions in check & not being so stupid to marry.
benzino 11mo ago
If I were you I would have cut losses here and now. It's easier than dealing with the baggage of a break up. And you tend to catch feelings for whoever you spend enough time with.
But you need to make your own decisions, go with the boundaries for now but you must detach yourself enough that you can walk away at any moment the boundary is broken. Boundaries do not control women, they'd just find a way to rationalize breaking it. It's much better for you to find someone who agrees with your boundaries in the first place
Vermillion-Rx Admin 11mo ago
She had red flags. It was supposed to be temporary. Often when long relationships end we are clouded by the loss of dopamine and oxytocin that person gave us and in the void feel like we can't get that again and also know instinctively that the amount of time it will take to redevelop that with someone else sucks.
You need to just remember that this woman should not have been upgraded. Her exiting your life is a favor, not a loss. You'll feel better when the self blame subsides and you see that this "loss" so to speak is actually an open door to something better.
The chemical withdrawal is the suckiest part of the whole thing, and that too will subside.
benzino 11mo ago
Exactly what I wrote in my journal. Thanks for confirming it.
At least it was fun and I'm not divorced with a kid. I still win.
Any tips for this part?
I've been writing a journal and exercising more to fill my free time, hitting my cutting goals too. I'm on track to become the person I was before we met. Just sometimes I still feel like shit, maybe because of my hurt ego.
MyBoyJob 11mo ago
Happened to all of us champ. We all survived.
No-Stress-Cat 11mo ago
You dodged a bullet, brother. One of your own making.
A lot of men here often play Russian Roulette, yet they don't realize they're the ones who brought the gun and ammo to the table. They think they are special and can navigate through some kind of loophole that doesn't exist, and then wonder what happened when they find a bullet lodged in their brain.
Kudos to you. At least you have the awareness to self-reflect, take time to understand where things went wrong, and learn from your mistakes. That doesn't make you a bitch. That makes you man. This was a good rant.
benzino 11mo ago
Thank you, I hope you don't mind me ranting here in reply to your comment. I felt like writing something down, but a journal isn't good enough this time.
I guess I needed somebody to listen to my story and by looking for that here, I'm more lonely than I thought. But this is just something I have to deal with. Coincidentally or not, this feeling of loneliness started when I first applying RP. I have cut off a lot of friends and some strayed away from me, save for the closest ones. And when I started this relationship, I also cut off the roster, so basically she was the only person I vented to.
Though it doesn't mean I'm blaming RP for this. I think it helped me weed out the people who really care and want the best for me. And it made me realize that we men are more lonely than we thought. Had it not been for this forum where I can talk to people who share the same view, I think I would have felt worse and done something stupid. Now I feel like shit, but I know it's for the best.
Our last fight was because she was going to too many festivals with her single girlfriend in another country and I told her it's not what I expect in a serious relationship. She said I was being unfair and kept doubting her, insinuating that she was cheating when she didn't do anything like that. I told her I was not being jealous, just letting her know what my boundaries are. She was not happy, said that I never told her about that before and we eventually broke up, then made up, then now break up again.
You are right, it makes more sense when I started writing it down. I could have made my boundaries more clear before I started the relationship. Or at least realized that there's no point talking it out with a woman. Either she does it or she doesn't. If she wants to do something, she will find a way to rationalize it.
Perhaps now I go to sleep. I contemplated hitting up some old plates for a drink, but it's been forever since I talked with them, and being rejected now would feel even worse, so I guess it's time to start getting in top shape again and start going out when I feel more confident.
It sucks but it's life I guess.
Again, thank you for reading my rant and I appreciate your comment.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
That's a great analogy, and great insight into what is a lot of men's weakness: hubris.
I'm lucky. I'm way too awesome to fall into that trap.
No-Stress-Cat 11mo ago
"There is no charge for awesomeness...or attractiveness." - Kung Fu Panda
adam-l Moderator 11mo ago
It's normal to feel bad once you break up. It will subside with time and the next girl, bro.
AbusiveFather1 11mo ago
never have "talks" with women
MrSupreme 11mo ago
You're not being a little bitch, I'd say about a medium sized bitch at best. Lift some weights, run a few miles,read a few books, have some drinks. Everything is going to be alright lol. Take your time but get back to gaming and spinning plates soon, that will be refreshing
benzino 11mo ago
Truth. Thank you. It means a lot to hear it
First-light 1 11mo ago
It always gets better. That does not negate how you feel now but its important to see it in context. Its a sort of grief and you need to be allowed to grieve but its not the sort of grief that you get for a dead person who can't be replaced, this ends and everything gets better.
Now you can get back to doing whatever the hell you like to please yourself. Once you are relaxed and happy the next girl will soon enough be along to put an end to all that.
Typo-MAGAshiv Endorsed Contributor 11mo ago
You know what? For all that your post is a bit victim-pukey, you're owning your decisions and the consequences of them. Thumbs up overall.
Now for some feedback.
Red flags are dealbreakers. As in, this is a line in the sand past which you do not proceed.
Some men's red flags will be other men's yellow flags (for example, I married a divorcee). What might be a red flag for commitment can be a green flag for a ONS or short term fling (such as a busy single mom who just wants some dick).
The important thing is: if she had red flags to you that you saw as red flags, why did you give her commitment? Usually the answer is scarcity mindset, but mull this over a bit.
I'd also advise reading (or rereading) HumanSockPuppet’s Guide to Managing Your Bitches. Make sure you aren't granting upgrades to the unworthy.
Breakups are permanent.
Read (or reread) Rooting Through Garbage.
Taking a woman back is almost never a good idea.
Rarely a good idea.
1) you're playing to her strengths. Women usually beat the crap out of us verbally due to instinctual manipulations and emotional tricks. Unless you're really, truly in tune with that shit and on top of your game, you're better off not even engaging.
2) this has been said many ways: acta, non verba. Demonstrate, don't explicate. Women talk, men do. One of the 48 Laws of Power is "win through your actions, never through argument" (likely paraphrased, done from memory).
Sounds like trickle-truth. You're fortunate; most women would just keep it to themselves.
But this is another reason not to go back after ending things.
Sounds like a great plate or FWB.
But why upgrade past that? Was she your only source of sex?
From what I think is the most importation Red Pill writing ever, Roissy's Sixteen Commandments of Poon:
If a plate pushes for an upgrade and will break if you refuse to upgrade, then you still have other sources of sex.
You are only human.
Just learn to recognize it and squash it before it takes hold.
Key phrase: "decided to try for an LTR".
an LTR cannot be your goal; you grant an upgrade to a worthy woman who earns it if you are fortunate enough to find one and decide to grant it.
It seems that you wanted the LTR to the point of granting one to an unworthy woman. Again, mull over HSP'S guide I linked earlier.
In general, that's a bad move, especially if she's new (less than 5 years or so together).
This is one of my favorite topics, and I have a series of posts at WAATGM that cover it. I'll just link to the first one for now, and recommend that you read my sticky comment and the links within.
Nah.
benzino 11mo ago
That's such a great reply and I'm re-reading all of this, even when I've read it before. Sometimes I get caught up in other things and willfully pull the wool over my eyes just because it makes things easier. The blue pill creeps back when you allow it and I did.
I had a roster going back then. She was dating me for almost a year and she said clearly: "I respect your decision because we're not anything official. But I'm looking for something serious and I have my deadline too, so if we don't want the same thing then we should just break things up peacefully". I don't see that kind of talk with women in general so I was impressed. She was also the best plate out of all.
So I decided to just go with a LTR and cut off the roster, partly because I was bored with spinning plates and finding new ones, it just gets kind of repetitive. In my mind, I can always break up and I somewhat thought (mistakenly) that I could make her a better person through being an example. We spent almost a year together being serious but then I got a lot of stress at work, let myself go, and also vented to her a lot. It's my own fault, but it's still a blessing in disguise because it ended when it should.
I'm just a bit bummed because I kept thinking back on all the good memories and all. We said our goodbyes and wished each other the best, no big fight. I'm still a lot more lucky than others who got divorced raped. All the comments here almost made me drop a tear, I didn't expect everyone to be so positive about this and was expecting to be roasted, I wish this forum existed when I was younger.
Everything you said were right, I gave her LTR not because she met the standards, but because I was bored. I let someone unworthy deep inside my life out of my own naivity. I thought about being a serial monogamist, but I underestimated how easy it would be to catch feelings when you spend a lot of time together. Lesson learned.
Durek_The_Bald 11mo ago
"Out of sight, out of mind". No contact + a new girl or three, and you'll be over it in no time. Sucks now, but that's only right now.
Other than that, you seem to have a pretty good handle on where things went tits up. This is a fantastic life lesson for you, one that will serve you well. And you got it for pretty cheap, just a few hurt fee-fees for a couple of weeks.
Be thankful for the lesson, and be thankful you were granted the cognitive capacity in this life to take something valuable away from it.
benzino 11mo ago
Thanks you and everyone else. I can't reply to all of you but it really made me feel better. I went to work and felt a weight lifted off my chest thanks to the new freedom. I don't even feel bad about breaking up anymore, it turned more into some sort of emptiness, or more exactly - blank spaces in my schedule that I need to fill. I'm going to fill it with other activities this week and things look good. I got this.
NeoSpartan 11mo ago
Breaks never work. If you are "taking a break" then that means that either one or more likely both of you are not really feeling it anymore and the thought of finding someone better grown past the state of thought into one of action. By that point it's game over, there's not much binding you together anymore.
The only real long term defense against branch swinging is knocking them up, and even that doesn't work some of the time. It's worse for women though, 90% of the time if a kid has 1 parent it's the mom. Probably part of why so many women are pro-abortion since the cultural changes of the 60s and the advent of laws like "no fault divorce".
Paradoxically, it's actually women who initiate the majority of divorce but's that's because almost all women are emotional thinkers. Far more childlike in their reasoning than most men are. They tend to make very poor long term decisions because of this heightened emotionality.
If you think about it, there aren't really any competent long term planners existent among females. How many woman engineers are there for example? Almost 0. How many generals? Actually 0. Logic is a weak point for their sex. Of the many terrible decisions that our rulers have been made for our society in the last century.... telling women they now need to work, vote and make decisions about society was definitely in the top 5.
And worse yet, is that is has been around for so long that it is largely self perpetuating now. The natural state of humanity was men leading and protecting women... For the entirety of human history save for the small slice we live in now. The people behind these social experiments have really fucked things up. There is very little trust between the sexes now. Women aren't scared of bears anymore lol.
We live in a very unnatural and broken society and culture. It's going to break down completely at some point, it already has to a large extent.
Lone_Ranger 3 11mo ago
you want me to tell you that you are a little bitch , to make you feel better?
No bro, you are making a few mistakes, like all of us.
This is nothing that you can't shake off and recover from. Quite quickly.
I just got divorce raped for the second time, and it was rough. But... men are tough. Men go to war.
I recommend creating an excercis routine for yourself, and getting laid. I found that getting laid doesn't make you feel better, BUT it really really does help kicking the oneitis.
benzino 11mo ago
You're right, we are tough and I think with all this support and understanding, we can handle everything.
I'm back on my training schedule which I neglected, now lifting to failure instead of getting the reps in (LOL). I'll take it easy on the getting laid thing because I don't feel 100% confident yet in my looks and still recovering. But a cute girl at work is going to quit at the end of the month. I'm gonna ask her out just for the sake of it!
Intrepid_Place53900 1 11mo ago
it's good to reflect on this and learn from it.
when you are interested in a LTR, you obviously need to vet the girl and take your time doing it. You weren't even in a year and you saw lots to remove her from LTR options.
When you observe red flags, you take steps back in any thought of a LTR. You continue to vet and see if those flags are warranted or if more actual come into play.
so, next time, when you see red flags, she's back to recreational status, observe, have fun with her, but you have to tell yourself, "recreational use only".