Yes, I know I'm retarded. Yes, I know this question is retarded. But I need urgent help. Tried kissing a girl on second date and she rejected me. I was confused since there were a lot of IOIs but I didn't think too much of it and decided to move on. A couple of days later she invites me out on a date, to which I give out some generic excuse about how I obviously had certain intentions towards her that weren't the same as hers etc. She basically tells me that she wants something "serious" with me but that she needs more time, wants to get to know me better, whatever. I actually saw ltr potential in her so I decided to go with it. However, the next date she sees a picture of me hugging a girl in my gallery while I was showing her some random photo and she makes a fuss about it after we get home over the messages, telling me how she doesn't want to be anybody's second choice etc. I comfort her (idk if that was the correct thing to do but whatever) and we continue talking, however it happened again after a date tonight, the same type of lashing out, because sometime during our date I told her I'm planning some trip with a girl who was interested in me sometime before. Now what I basically want to tell her is that she has no right to interfere in anything I have with any girl since we're still not actually fucking together, however I realize that might not be the smartest thing to do here. Any help is appreciated
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First-light 8mo ago
She clearly likes you -she asked you out. This is positive, as is her being LTR potential. On the downside, she seems very keen to get you to commit early and she may be a bit phobic over any interactions with other women. These could be red flags or they could be just her having had bad past experiences with players and being on a high alert state.
You need to know if she is worth the risk of carrying on with. Is she a control freak beta driver or just a serious girl fed up of players. Do you want a serious exclusive relationship? If not she is a no go.
Be a bit more private with your life for now and if she does this again, don't get stuck into hard words with her. Be really straight with her without being negative or angry in tone. "This is early to be asking this sort of commitment. I really like you and I don't want to lose the chance of something good and lasting with you but I am also wary of jumping into something where I rearrange my life and friendships for someone before I really have a life with that person -we have not been physically intimate yet. Can we talk about this please and agree the ground rules?"
You need to know what she expects and what she gives in return. If there is not fairness, then its a no go. If she is looking at your pictures and saying "you can't see her" then you need to be sure you will be able to do the same to her with guys. This is a fair arrangement if you are happy with it. Not everyone would be happy with it but cutting out friendships with the opposite sex does cut out a lot of potential nonsense. You just need to know what the deal is and is that deal for you.
Trying to negotiate an understanding where you see other girls long term and she is not happy with it is unlikely to work for her. It might be OK in the short term if it is properly agreed that you will stop seeing them if you bang her but only then. (You would then need to keep your end of the bargain). But get it sorted calmly by having a warm conversation to agree the ground rules, not telling her in a moment of frustration "You have no right because we are not banging..." This will only up her level of discomfort with the situation in return for no agreed gain on your part.
ogrilla99 8mo ago
You've gotten good advice so far, and I'll add this to the mix. You mentioned that the 2nd date when she asked you out, you had some excuse about how you had certain intentions that weren't the same blah blah blah. That shit is the way women talk to each other, endlessly dissecting every interaction. Don't do that. Be a man. What does that mean?
So the first date didn't go as you expected it to. Okay, fine. It happens. You decide if you want to continue this or not. Let's say you think this chick still has potential. Then just let the first date go. Don't have some extended meta-conversation about it with her. She asks you out. If you want to go, say yes. If you don't, say thanks but I'm busy. If you want to ask her out, ask her out.
Bottomline is that talk is meaningless. All your pre-negotiation about what the second date "means" to both of you, what did it accomplish? Obviously you two still weren't on the same page. What did that back-and-forth about what the first date meant exactly do for you? Nothing. Worse, it makes you look weak. Even worse, it makes it look like you've been mulling that first date in you head for days, which means she's snagged you without even having to give you a kiss.
Game theory talks about escalation. But they don't always talk about what to do when escalation fails. And the answer is: back off, give it some time, and when the moment is right, escalate again. Don't tie yourself into knots about why it didn't work the first time. If she rejected your kiss at the end of the first date, shrug your shoulders, end the date, and walk away. And if you decide she's still worth giving it another shot. Go on a second date and try again. At some point, either she will decide she's willing to escalate with you, or you decide it's no longer worth the effort and move on permanently.
It's as simple as that. Don't try to figure out the hamster, and for sure don't invite a hamster to live in your head too.
The same goes for the rest of your interactions. If she wants to discuss "where are we" type bullshit and give you shit about other women, realize that unless you're married to her, or you made a real commitment to exclusivity with her, you don't owe her shit. Not even information. If she asks "where are we", reply simply that you enjoy hanging out with her and want to see where that leads, but if she's not enjoying the ride so far, then you totally understand if she wants to break things off.
And if she gives you shit about making plans with other girls, first, keep that shit private so she never finds out. Don't talk to her about it, don't boast about it. Trust me, if she's interested in you, she'll ask around herself and find it out. And if she confronts you, don't deny it, be honest and say "yeah, she's a cool chick and we're hanging out together next week. We're not exclusive, and if this bothers you, then I understand if you want to break it off."
The bottomline principle is don't bring emotion into an interaction, don't try to figure out her hamster wheel, focus on actions (yours and hers), be honest but private with your life, and always put the ball back in her court and make it clear that if she doesn't like what you're doing, she's free to bail. Ironically, showing her the door is the best chance you have of having her not walk through it. Begging and pleading that she stay will basically guarantee she leaves, or at the very least forces you into a relationship you don't want.
EurasianChad 1 8mo ago
Urgent? Is there a gun to your head or a lawsuit?
You haven't kissed and you're comforting her, and now she's power tripping trying to assert power over you..and you allow it.
I think it's time to get off the dating scene and focus on building self respect first dude. Just keeping it real.
BecomingABetterMan1 8mo ago
The best litmus test I've heard of is:
If it's not a 'hell yes', it's a 'no'.
This does not smell like a HELL YES to me. Next.
Lone_Ranger 2 8mo ago
Vermillion-Rx Admin 8mo ago
Typo-MAGAshiv 2 8mo ago
Next that bitch. She doesn't wantb you except as beta bucks, if even that.
Immediate next.
It's all bullshit. If she wanted you, she'd fuck.
There's no relationship without sex. She's already playing "keep away" with the pussy.
If you even bother talking to her again (and I advise that you don't), just say something like "check it out: you have seen that I have options. If you want me at all, you need to be better than my other options. If you can't handle the competition, then good bye".
Really, though, she isn't even worth that amount of effort. She's playing power games this early = NO.
oowiw 8mo ago
She's kiting you trying to get you to cut off other women without giving you any reason to.
This isn't going anywhere LTR wise, you need to completely drop that idea.
If you want to bang just continue to hold the line and if it's going to happen, she'll make it happen. No commitment / cutting off anybody else. If she ever intended to bang you she will, if she never intended to, she won't - but you won't have given up any other prospects.
Stay on current course, no changes.
LukCos 8mo ago
So how do I actually respond to her rant? She intended to make it clear that if I don't drop the idea of other women we're done. In that case is nexting the only option?
oowiw 8mo ago
We don't know each other well enough to be exclusive but I like you and want to see where this goes
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 8mo ago
You’re a special kind of stupid and you get a sad face sticker for that. Why would you think talking ab planning a trip w some other bird would be the appropriate topic of conversation while you’re out with another chick? Rookie sperg move of the year award.
Doctor’s orders: drop this hoe and continue seeing other women. Charge it to the game. Also: don’t deliberately bring up other women while you’re on a date with another woman. That’s retarded.
LukCos 8mo ago
It was retarded but believe it or not the conversation in that moment was such that it slipped, I would never have had done it intentionally. Thanks for the advice
whytehorse2021 8mo ago
Either she got bad advice from FDS or she's just not a hoe. If you see LTR potential then friend-zone her until you're ready for one. That's what I did with my wife.
Musicgoon78 2 8mo ago
Date other women. Why the fuck are you entertaining this trainwreck?
redhawkes 2 8mo ago
Bruhh, if she's making you wait, she already lost. The need more time is bullshit women tell to betas to keep them around. Just think about bitches who were fuck yea, or desired you. They don't act like that at all. Don't negotiate with terrorists.
Bitches who play the "Im not ready" or "needs more time" are one of the biggest hoes/pump n dumps. She's shitty LTR material, but she thinks it's because she puts out early. Now, she's doing the whole carrot on a stick tactic to get you hooked, and it worked on you.
Another thing is that she wants to be the 100% of your pussy supply and to control when or if you're going to fuck. Just remember this: "A man with options is a man without need."
Always have options, but don't display them overtly, let your actions speak. You see how competition anxiety work on her, use it for your benefit. Forget about LTR with her, maybe smash or just next. Keep doing what you're doing minus the DEERing and overt dread.
She just wants to see how much of an eunuch she can make you. Shit or get off the pot.