Sick and tired of this shit, another girl another flake. I called her out on it and then she starts taking about how she’s “depressed” and “stressed” about school like wtf? I don’t get it why am I always the beta in these situations? I can already tell she’s crying to me while some other cunt gets to rail her
So fucking annoying and I know I should just next her but man this is so fucking rage inducing I can’t take it. EVERY singe girl I’ve talked to has either ghosted me or been flakey with me. How many girls am I going to have to next until I find one who’s actually into me???
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago Stickied
And theeeeere we go again
You're trapped in anger phase and still probably got a foot in the door still from the denial stage before it
Dude. Figure out what your fucking problem is. Women do not act like this towards cool, fun, confident men.
YOU
Are doing something wrong. Not
THEM
joyboy 1y ago
Yeah I know what my problem is. It’s that I have ZERO experience with girls since I can’t even get them out on dates 99.999% of the time which most likely shows up in how I interact with them even if it’s through text which KEEPS THEM AWAY. It’s a never ending cycle
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago Stickied
WRONG
It's not because you don't have experience, it's because you're not giving women any reason to even give you a shot. Attitude sucks, trying for things you don't have skills to pull off, etc
We gave you advice already dude. Your game and attitude sucks ass so badly that you need to succeed at the steps you suck at before you keep trying to throw shit at the wall asking women out. Women are not going to go out with angry, uncallibrated men.
Your next post better s detailed field report with the "field report q" flair with enough replicable detail that we can tell you what the fuck you're doing wrong because you're 100% doing a lot wrong and not telling us what it is
So essentially you're just bitching about shitting yourself. Your next post on here better be an actual detailed field report or I'm taking the post down, I don't give a fuck how much effort you put into your next question on here, the next post better a be a field report we can break down and target actual field mistakes on
Stop your feminine bitching and grow up, you're being a cancer to yourself and clogging the forums with bitching and moaning
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joyboy 1y ago
Alright yeah next time I’ll post some conversations or something
What can I do about this hoe though? Last ditch with something like “Ur stressed out cuz u won’t let me pick you up on my motorbike and show u a good time” or some bullshit?
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Nothing. Next.
Onto the next one. There is literally nothing you can do to help yourself on this chick. Move on. You can only go down from here with your problems with her
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joyboy 1y ago
Why did she start venting to me out of nowhere? All I did was call out her bad behavior when she was dry texting and then she starts spewing all this shit to a virtual stranger. Wtf?
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
You said you read rational male but then overtly call out a woman? Jesus Christ. Obviously you don't understand what we told you to read
I read this 7 years ago and still remember most of it
https://therationalmale.com/2012/08/22/just-get-it/
Read it again and stop being retarded
joyboy 1y ago
Fuck man I messed up. I should’ve just left her on read when she started being dry instead I started being needy
I’m gonna run shoulder to cry on game from here on out and hope she see me as a LTR material all the while talking to other girls, then I’ll try getting with her if I ever get her out on a date
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Dude fuck that your idea of getting laid is so painfully innacurate
Good luck with that
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Also you need to read this because you obviously don't understand it either
https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/06/the-medium-is-the-message/amp/
joyboy 1y ago
So what the fuck am I supposed to do about it? I know she probably found some other guy whch is why sh was being dry which is what pissed me off.
I know I should’ve just “spun other plates” instead of calling her out overtly but the problem is I DONT HAVE ANY PLATES so it’s not like I have the option to do that.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Dude they always have a guy on tap.
You learned jack shit from reading the sidebar and rational male
Fix your shitty attitude
joyboy 1y ago
She told me she moved here very recently since her area code isn’t from here and she’s in online school so it’s possible that she’s telling the truth. She also vented to me about feeling lonely before so idk.
She also said she was seeing one guy but he stopped wanting to see her so maybe he and back into the picture
Idk but i definitely fucked up by calling her out and feeling butthurt. Man thsi sucks cause this girl was exactly my type too
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
You shouldn't be talking to her about all that stuff you already lost the plot dude. You're a man lead the conversation
joyboy 1y ago
I cut her off as soon as she brought it up. She was up late texting me and asked why I was up late so I deflected and asked her why she was, and then she started crying about how she was lonely.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Okay good
joyboy 1y ago
THAT LITERALLY PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH WHY THE FUCK DO I HAVE TO TALK TO HER LIKE A CUCK WHIEK SOME OTHER DUDE IS BANGING HER
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
You don't, stop doing it
joyboy 1y ago
How am I supposed to become her top option? I read your post that if you aren’t her top option it’s just a waste of time even talking to them. This shit is so competitive and cutthroat dude I can’t fucking take it. Do I have to become some rich gigachad just to be their top option? Literally wtf is this shit I’m at the end of my wits
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
No.
Dude go touch grass and meditate. You're going down the rabbit hole of misunderstanding so much of this
joyboy 1y ago
How do you become the top option though. Your post is pointless if it doesn’t explain how you become the top option. Obviously I’m gonna prioritize girls who are more interested in me, that’s just common sense, but if none of the girls i’m interested in are interested in me back that’s not possible
And I do meditate. It used to be much worse before so I’m getting better
Also why are you removing all my comments
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joyboy 1y ago
What was I supposed to take from that particular post? Could you give me your insight on it so that I have an example of how I'm supposed to look at it?
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joyboy 1y ago
Why can’t I just get lucky once? I feel like I’m playing on nightmare difficulty with how many girls refuse to give me a chance. Maybe I’m an undiagnosed autist or something
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
Stop bitching and learn game dude. I bet your social skills are abysmal too and you need to be honest with yourself about a lot of things before you're able to make any actual progress
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Impressive-Cricket-8 1y ago
What are you doing with your life? Are you working, studying? And in your free time, any hobbies? Hanging out with friends? Reading? Hiking? Climbing? Playing the piano/guitar/cello/clarinet? Learning karate/kung fu/boxing? Learning french/russian/italian/japanese?
Here's the thing: women are not important. Focus on yourself, on living a fun life, on learning and creating stuff. and you'll see how valuable your time is. Besides, you'll be interesting. You'll have stuff to talk about. When you sit down in a table with five chicks and two other guys, soon enough they'll all be listening to you talking - about how german is surprisingly close to english, or how you failed at making a Beef Wellington (but you took notice of what went wrong and next time it'll come out great), about why blues is so simple and yet so hard to play. Your time will be valuable - you won't waste it trying to get that girl to open her legs to you; either she'll open or won't, but she has five minutes to decide because you've got stuff to do.
joyboy 1y ago
I’m a full time student at university. I box, do calisthenics/weightlifting, ride and work on my motorcycle, I like to cook/bake, woodwork, play electric guitar, snowboard, and a ton of other outdoor activities like rock climbing, running, etc. My buddy gave me a skateboard recently and I've been learning how to ride that.
Not sure why the “just get a hobby” advice is always being given since it isn’t relevant to attracting women.
Impressive-Cricket-8 1y ago
Because women are not the end goal. Living a full life is - and hobbies are a great way to do that. Spend more time doing what you love instead of chasing tail. You shouldn't go after women - you should be that guy who everybody loves to have around. If everyone in the room is talking about you, women will be listening.
You should have game - dropping the spaghetti when a girl comes to talk to you will get you nowhere. But spending time trying to get in a girl's pants is futile. Talk about what you like to talk about - if she's up for the conversation, great. If not, move on. The red pill is not about bedding every girl out there - that's PUA whatever. The red pill is about living your life. And while having a good woman by your side may make your life fuller, having the wrong one will make you regret waking up every day - and that's where red pill knowledge operates.
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financehardo420 Should i (x1) 1y ago
holy shit I didn’t think it was even possible to be THIS MUCH OF A FUCKIN SPERG in real life.
change your username to soyboy for accuracy.
something you’re saying has got to be inaccurate… you claim to be physically fit w/ visible abs there’s no shot you’re getting this bad of reactions from girls if you actually have solid muscle mass on you.
My best advice is just take it to absolute basics… smile when you talk; avoid saying weirdo ass cringey shit to girls. Clearly whatever approach you’ve been making towards chicks has not been working out - never do it again. definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting dif results.
Honestly idk maybe try tinder to just get used to how things work. If you’re in college and in a college town this should be pretty easy; get a bunch of matches and message all of em to try and get one to come smoke or something. If shawty slides to your crib by herself off tinder it’s basically a 100% lock to get laid unless your overwhelming betaness dries up her panties.
Acceptable conversation topics:
“Hey so where ya from?” What do you study? Did you play any sports in hs?
Pro sauce: they answer w no sports or something lame like golf you say something like “oh so you’re just wildly unathletic” vs if they say something like volleyball/track/etc “ah so that’s why you’re so hot”
Save the convos for in person too not over fuckin text like a goddamn sperg that’s tbh prob one of your major mistakes. And NEVER EVER call a bitch out for “dry texting”…. You shouldn’t even have enough convos over text to get to the point of getting dry texted.
Sidenote: until you have actually smashed a couple birdies you don’t have the right to call em bitches or hoes sperg boi. I really hope you’re not walking up to girls and saying shit like “sup bitch wanna fuck”.
This shit is a numbers game - very much akin to sales. If u suck at sales you’re gonna suck and getting bitches. Don’t take it so personal that you’re getting rejected left n right; sometimes u just gonna be willing to take 1000 no’s on the chin to get 1 single yes.
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joyboy 1y ago
All basic ass advice which I already know. And most of the girls I talk too are off Tinder. And yeah I usually ask them to hang out within like 10 messages after a bit of banter and I either get ghosted or they give me they’re number and then flake afterwards
And how many no’s did you have to take before getting a yes… every no you get lowers your confidence especially if all you get is no after no. Unless you took hundreds of nos before getting the yes then you can’t relate to my situation
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 1y ago
Man I’ve been jacked, skinny, and fat as fuck (210lb no exercise at all) and I got countless “no”s when I was fat as fuck.
Basic ass advice you “already know” but are too stupid to apply bc if you did, it’d work out for you by now. There’s a reason pretty much every dude here is telling you the same shit post after post…. It’s not bc we’re trying to trick you it’s because it’s what fuckin works.
You either have an insanely overconfident view of your physique or you’re hopelessly uncalibrated when it comes to basic social interactions.
Either way if you’re not gonna get your head outta your own ass and really start analyzing what we’re telling u vs what you actually do like idk what to tell you; you’re fucked and there’s no hope for you. Wish ya the best but be ready to die a virgin.
Maturin_nj 1y ago
Stop calling girls out. Be confident or fake it. you go into an incounter looking to lose. Make conversation. Be fun and playful. Just try it. Get it through your thick skull it's hard for a guy to get laid. Accept it. You suck at pick up. Look at the bright side. You are interacting with attractive girls outside the fz. Not very affectively but thats a positive step. Most dweebs can't even do that. Keep trying. Keep improving. And stop being a bitch. You should be embarrassed.
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Lone_Ranger 3 1y ago
Let me guess.... these are girls that you either
Find on OLD
There's your problems.
OLD is the dumpster. Its full of trash.
The young guy thinks 'great -this is going well! I have texted her 40 times, and she has texted me back, and this has gone on over 1 week. That's the 'talking phase' done....nows the time to pivot to the 'big date'! So another 40 texts (over a 1 week period) back and forth, to 'arrange the date'. And then she flakes.
And the guy is confused. And angry. Why did she flake at the last minute????
BECAUSE she never had any intention of fucking this guy. The only thing she wanted was an orbiter to add to her collection of thirsty dudes that make her phone go bing. What she wants is her phone to bing. This is why she is 'talking to' about 5 guys at any one time. She gives her number out on the reg, to keep a healthy population of orbiters. That is why she always texts so short -its because she is managing a population of orbiters (not allowed to say the s word).
An orbiters role in her life is to make her phone go bing. This is why women are always on their phone. Their big fear is to be at the cafe with their friends, and no orbiter is texting them, but their friend is getting a stream of eager texts from thirsty dudes. (this means their friend wins).
Do you get it now?
joyboy 1y ago
Yeah you’re right about the sources. So wtf is the solution? I’ve tried only texting for logistics after a bit of banter, boom ghosted in all cases
I’ve tried getting to know them a little bit but not too much over text so they feel some sense of rapport then ask them out, boom flaked
Is the only way to go for instant dates now or what? How do you even get to the point of going on a date without becoming an orbiter? Who are they even fucking? Is it always just the best looking dude in their DMs that they fuck?
coolsocks00 1 1y ago
Cool story bro but remember this is not your fucking diary. Do the work or dont, it’s up to you.
Dont spam the forums with shitposts.
Kreaton01 1y ago
You're way too young to be so desperate man. Try to calm down about this stuff. If you're this worked up when talking to girls no wonder they don't respond.
joyboy 1y ago
Dude shut up literally EVERYONE my age is fucking. College is a fuck fest for a reason and I’m missing out on the easiest time fi my life to get laid. It’s ONLY going to get harder from here, men peaking in their 30s or whatever is an absolute joke. I don’t want to peak when all the women in my age bracket have been ran through and jaded and it’ll finally be my “turn”
whytehorse2021 1y ago
Most guys have given up on online dating. Either you're in the top 4.5% of men and women are pursuing you, or else you're just validating her ego. Cold approach is losing popularity as social media has taken over the sisterhood. So now social circle game is what's working. Mike Sartain has a group called Men of Action. Tuesday he does a free call-in show and you can ask him questions. He's on youtube. Just tune in and click on the link to join the call. I forget what time the call is at but it's late evening.
First-light 1 1y ago
The only benefit in listening to flaky women when you are an inexperienced young man is to learn about the animal. You will learn what spins the hamster wheel and you will with time learn that you are being used. This is the only benefit. Otherwise don't waste time. An inexperienced young man listening to female angst is far, far less likely to get laid than if he just ignores all the crap.
joyboy 1y ago
WHO IS SHE FUCKING IF SHES BEING FLAKY WITH ME I CANT FUCKING TAKE IT IDC IF IM A AFC THIS IS LEGITIMATELY RAGE INDUCING ID BEAT THE SHIT OUT IF THAT GUY IF THIS WAS THE PREHISTORIC AGES AND I WOULDNT GET LOCKED BEHIND BARS
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
Her: "I'm feeling depressed and stressed about school."
Me: I want to fuck you in the ass.
joyboy 1y ago
Instant block/ghost if i were to say that. I’ve tried being overtly sexual and it has NEVER worked. You must be some chad type of guy
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
You don't have to be a chad to put it out there what your boundaries are. The direct approach I used gets her hamster wheel spinning.
It tells her that you don't give a shit about her trauma drama. It tells her that she is hanging out with you and not the other way around. It tells her that if she wants to piss and moan about shit that it will be to someone who is not you. It tells her that she is lucky she is getting your attention, and that she better treasure that shit. It tells her that if not her then it will be someone else.
Probably. Then she would go tell all her friends what an asshole you are. At least one of them would probably let you fuck them in the ass. That is, if she didn't come back to let you fuck her in the ass herself. Even if she blocked you, so what? There's plenty more of her where she came from.
joyboy 1y ago
It's a girl from OLD. And if it were a number from a girl I knew IRL, I'm pretty sure that would get me reported to campus police for sexual harassment. Not all of us are chads that can get away with shit like that my guys
And she was one of the hottest girls who’s number I was able to get ever so not exactly “plenty more where that came from”
No-Stress-Cat 1y ago
You will get there one day, young brother, and you'll have to invest in an iron umbrella from all the pussy that will be raining down upon you. Also, if you're going to a college where a chick would report you for sexual harassment, I wouldn't be talking to any of those chicks on campus. You will eventually end up with a false allegation against you.