I move around for work and when I am in the big cities I go out to fancy bars/clubs a bit. The nice places always have HB9+'s but for some reason I find it so unimaginable pulling them. Literally the only time I get approach anxiety is with HB9+'s. I have no problem pulling HB8's and below it's just I want more, I want to start pulling HB9's and above but I always fuck it up, I get extreme anxiety and just don't know what to say.
I've pulled a HB9 once before, she was a stripper and it was amazing but that was over tinder.
I want to know how you guys do it in real life, at clubs/bars. The thing is, these supermodels always have a group of guys and girls with them. It's so fucking intimidating going up to them and shooting your shot.
For example the other weekend I was at a bar, and this HB9.5, stunning blonde, was at the bar with her friends all these dudes. I went up to her while in line, had a chat, asked her how her night was going etc., the dude she was with gave me the 'go for it' nod and walked off, we flirted for like 10 mins, however I felt so fucking out of my league that I ended up self-sabotaging and running out of things to say, her friends came over and basically took her away.
Any practical tips/advice how to handle these women and maybe also how to get over my 'out of my league' mindset would be much appreciated.
whytehorse2021 5mo ago
Social circle game. Mike Sartain talks about this all the time. You basically friend-zone a bunch of chicks and they introduce you to their single friends. Zero HB10 models date guys they meet at clubs. It's always through social circles. As a bonus being around chicks as friends calibrates you to women so you aren't nervous around hot ones.
Maturin_nj 5mo ago
Isn't that the joker who talks about lambos and that guys like him get all the action. He's an Mc for rollo. Social circle is his grift. What he doesn't tell you is that most chick's want nothing to do with the social circle guys and bang all sorts of guys outside the circle and use the social circle dudes as foolzone guys. Maybe the SC girl or all the girls in that SC might consider the guy who stands atop the SC male hierarchy but if your not that guy your in the foolzone.
whytehorse2021 5mo ago
It's this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmMi63KpCi4
Maturin_nj 5mo ago
That's the guy. I've been brought into social circles by a girl in the SC. she went outside the SC . They all do. The betas in that SC get agitated since they were pining for her hoping something would happen. One case was where the SC rented a summer house in the Hamptons. Tothose girls the guys in the SC are friend's. She was a hot mulatto girl that looked at the SC guys like they were chairs or trees or things that do them favors. Ive known other guys who were endlessly fz or even reduced to SC orbitors. If a guy is sweet and nice and low ranked by the girls in the SC forget it. I'd recommend any guy in that situation break out of that shit
Why fz a chick. Just date her. Rollo has associated with some clowns. This guy is top of the list and the red hair guy with the pose is just as bad. They are grifters. Sale dream merchants. This is their career. SC is his hook. It's a lie. You don't see guys here recommending that nonesense. In fact, SC is beta game.
whytehorse2021 5mo ago
No, actually it's based on evolutionary psychology principles of social proof, pre-selection, and mate choice copying. Nowadays every woman is looking you up on instagram. What do they see? How many followers? What's your lifestyle? Other women commenting on your photos? Pics of you in fancy places?
You friendzone hot girls so you can get instagram photos of you having fun with them.
Maturin_nj 5mo ago
OK I see your point. If its working for you keep doing it. I'm no guru.
Now it's no longer meet babes. Now its meet babes to meet the actual babes to get with. There are easier options. Shortcut the process and put fake shit or eliminate instagram all together. Her - why don't you have Instagram. Me. I hate that shit and respect my privacy. Her ok. A HSE high self esteem chick won't care. This scheme is a form of supplicating to LSE female hypergamy . Party chick's, attn whores, etc.... prettymuch the garbage.
Looks like a two step sales vehicle with all sorts advice required that can only be navigated by a guru like big Mike. I bet he has a course how to be a stud like him. And let me guess, that wind bag gets all the hot sluts in his SC.
whytehorse2021 5mo ago
I think it goes with a certain lifestyle. He does promotions with models and lives in Vegas so there ya go.
Lone_Ranger 2 6mo ago
How old are you dude? Would help to know.
Some questions:
Why is it so important to you to fuck HB9s? Is this is status thing? Do you think that you 'deserve' HB9s? Are you ashamed of fucking 5s? Do you think that 9s are going to be better shags than 5s? Do you think that fucking 5s is somehow going to 'damage' your own value? Are you afraid that your pals might see you out with a 5 and then think that you are a lesser man? Make fun of you?
What do you think you are on the scale? are you a HB9+? Are you tall, ripped, chiselled, handsome, rich, funny?
Do you think that 'fancy bars / clubs' are a good fit for you?
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Lone_Ranger 2 5mo ago
It's not about 'prefer'.
I am asking OP some important questions to get a feel for what this dude is on about.
bluepilldoctor 6mo ago
I'm mid 30's. Why is it so important? Well HB9's are more attractive and more fit then the general girl, which usually implies more enjoyable sex as they would be way better to look at naked, which is true in my one experience, and I enjoy the challenge. It's not a status thing, it's purely a pleasure motive. Like it's in human nature to want more and I am not going to fight that.
Obviously the ego will be stroked and walking around with a hot girl on your arm is nice as well, so yeah, of course. Beautiful women are attractive to us for a reason, they imply better health and LOL not ashamed of fucking 5's, its just I'm over that shit, and in my experience in the vast majority of cases hotter girls are better fucks.
I don't know what I am on the scale, like I'm no calvin klein model but a HB9 isn't that far of a reach for me.
Lone_Ranger 2 6mo ago
It's important because I would have thought that by mid 30s a guy would have grown out of quest of going to fancy bars and trying to pick up 'HB9+'.
You say 'its not a status thing' and then you go on to say 'the ego would be stroked walking around with a hot girl'. Smdh.
I am guessing that the reason you are failing is because of your attitude. When you walk up to that blond girl you described, as a nervous hopeful, ready to 'shoot your shot', she looks at you and thinks -
"Now here comes another one...story of my life. Night after night, nervous spergy guys trying their pre-planned banter, their witty one-liners. He probably watched some PUA on youtube and now thinks he can talk his way into my pants. I wonder why he chose me? What is it that makes him interested in me? oh I know, he thinks that if he 'gets with me' then all his friends will be impressed. How quickly can I make this end."
You are just an annoyance to her. You're one of 100,000 guys that have tried to 'shoot their shot'. You're background noise while she waits for the true chad to show up.
Your attitude to women seems child like. You seem to think that a HB9+ is like a Porsche. that if you get one, others will think you are cool. To be mid 30s and spending your time in bars looking for HB9+'s with hot bodies... Where is that going to lead you?
When I asked you where you are on the scale, you said you didn't know. I'm going to guess you are average, which is a 5. Because most people are average. No shame in that. If you were a 10, you would have said 10. Guys that are a 10 know they are a 10. It's obvious to them. If you were a 10, and didn't know that you were a 10, then you would not be a 10 because self confidence bordering on arrogance is a prerequisite of being a 10. Also, if you were a 10 you would know for sure that HB9+ women are not better in bed than 5s.
So lets go back to that blond HB9.5 hanging out at the bar. She might be interested in an ultra chad for a pick up. A tall, ripped, handsome, funny, charming guy with a square jaw. She might not. A 9.5 women thinks that she deserves a celebrity, because that is how she is treated. She thinks that her level is Chris Pine.
She dreams of a guy like Chris Pine arriving in a limo, and whisking her off to a the waiting helicopter that will bring her to the yacht where she will spend the rest of her life.
So please tell me, what does she see in you? what do you have to offer? Tell me why a HB9 is 'not that far of a reach for you'
idontdesireusername 6mo ago
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD wtF??? are you GAY??? of course EVERY ONE man WANTs HB10! it's like who the fuck is dreaming about skoda fabia?? EVERYBODY has higher aim! LAMBO! PORSCHE! MERCEDES! FERRARI! not SKODA or VW shit..
the same with women.. so what if OP want's them? let him be you faggot...
Lone_Ranger 2 6mo ago
It's like wading through a pool of retarded children.
idontdesireusername 6mo ago
ok .. I know.. BUT.. it is VERY different situation when you already had this experience vs. want this experience.
it's like having porsche - I had one. did you? it is very different if I say that it is so loud, low sitting, hard car and not very good for everyday driving.. also so many attention it attracts it is sometimes not great, especially on the red lights in the city center. but - I had one so I'm fully ok to use something more common now. you got my point I hope man...
Lone_Ranger 2 5mo ago
The retardation is strong with this one.
bluepilldoctor 6mo ago
I appreciate the line of questioning and the effort despite it coming across as you moralising which is unhelpful - I asked a straightforward question.
In any event, no, it's not just to pick up, I also mentioned in the title to date as well, but not right now. My life right now is quite mobile due to work, as I mentioned in the post, and I am not in a position to settle down, so what do you want me to do, go on hinge and find an LTR and never pick up again in my life? Maybe go and pick up girls at dingy bars? I prefer fancy bars because I can afford it and I enjoy the atmosphere of nicer venues, is there a problem with that?
Status and ego are two different entities, status is implying I am doing it for others in a social heirarchy, ego is implying I am doing it for myself, they are not the same.
Yes I am a nervous hopeful, as I mentioned, and I am seeking advice to improve myself and become a more confident person. Why are you moralizing here? I don't understand, I asked a straightforward question, how do I become more confident picking up HB9's. Why do you give a fuck if it is childish or not? Where is that going to lead me? As I mentioned, it's going to lead me to fucking a hot woman. As I mentioned in my original post, I travel for work, I can't settle down right now. Why do you have an issue with me wanting to fuck 9's?
You have every right to believe that on average a HB5, who is fucking fat and fucking unattractive, is better than a HB9. I completely disagree, as most actual men would. As I mentioned in my post, yes, there are HB5's who fuck well, I know, but that is fucking out of the ordinary in my experience. Hotter girls usually fuck really well in my experience, I enjoy looking at attractive women. Like in any sample, there are outliers, so I don't understand why you are generalizing based of your experience.
If you had any experience you would know that hooking up and pulling is just as much about confidence and charisma as it is about looks. It really shouldn't matter how I look. Why don't you use some critical thinking and deduct from my initial post that if I can pick up a HB9 from tinder, I must be somewhat attractive.
The HB9 is not far reach of anyone, it is a mindset. The person with $10 to their name can feel rich while the person with $1mil to their name can feel poor. I am not going to sit here and validate myself to you with what I have to offer, I know I have enough to offer, I wanted practical advice for building confidence or talking to HB9's.
Lone_Ranger 2 6mo ago
still waiting for your answer.
Lone_Ranger 2 6mo ago
Not moralising dude. I'm trying to give it to you straight. Because you don't seem to understand.
You seem to think that a HB9.5, standing at a fancy bar, is going to be keen to get with some average joe that has 'learnt some game'. You might be better off on some PUA website. Hell, why not try one of those $50 a month subs to get access to the videos?
I don't 'have an issue with you wanting to fuck 9s' . But the way you talk, you come across as a man-child. It sounds like a 14 year old Andrew Tate disciple.
You come on this site and want us to reveal the secrets of how an Ordinay Joe, a 5, can walk up to a HB9.5, in a fancy bar/club (the absolute worst setting of all time for a pull) and then walk away with the hot blonde.
Ok - shall I tell you?
You need to be a much higher than her in SMV. That's how. You need to be a 1% man to walk away with the HB9.5. You need to be a giga-chad.
Now answer me this honestly, are you a giga chad?
First-light 6mo ago
Have I been with super hot women? Its hard to know, attraction is very subjective but I do know a couple of my daughters are in that league and hang out with similar girls, so probably their mothers were not too bad back in the day.
What I would say from watching my daughters is that yes being attractive does change their way of thinking a bit -they are more confident with other girls and know they have to filter all male compliments/ comments for thirst but inside they are the same as my other daughters from less attractive mothers -just normal girls with normal feelings and behaviours. When they are with those who are inside the filters, they behave totally normally.
If you are through the filter, its all normal. The filter would be different for each of my daughters. For one you would need to be at least a multi times county/ regional champion athlete competing at a national level (because she is) for the other, you would need to be smart, sophisticated and popular (because she is/ wants to be).
Attractive girls will talk to you fairly happily because they tend to be socially confident -everyone is nice to them so why would they not be confident. If she is not filtering you for thirst, then you are probably through the filter and its all normal. How do you know if she is not filtering you -is she responding to you like a normal girl, does she get embarrassed about things she thinks she said that were dumb? Does she laugh at things you said that were only half funny (real laugh not hoe laugh)? Does she mess with her hair? If she does these sort of things, she likes you and you are through the filter.
So just talk to them like normal girls, see which side of the filter they put you on and carry on as normal.
bluepilldoctor 6mo ago
Interesting insight, thanks for the reply.
mattyanon Admin 6mo ago
Yeah, exactly this.
I would add though: remember to flirt. It's not just talking.
First-light 6mo ago
True, interest must be shown, though it might be worth adding that a lot of flirting from the wrong side of the filter is only going to make you stay there as its a filter to stop thirsty men.
You are going to have to look out for the cues that she liked that and would like some more of it as very attractive women are constantly screening out thirsty men coming on strong and ones who come to them a bit slower can sometimes reach where those who come on strong don't. If she has made a snap assessment that she fancies you, flirt away full bore -she knows she is high value and you need to show her you noticed. However, if she is undecided but you seem OK (which is fair enough as she has a lot of interest and can afford to find out more about you first) then I would get certified as a quality guy she is comfortable with before pushing the flirting. A guy not coming on strong to a hot woman can make her want to up her game as he clearly values himself. (I don't mean being all autistic alpha and pretending she is a piece of crap, I mean being a friendly quality guy who is not thirsty as hell, so she has no reason to put her filter up, then showing interest).
The signs of interest are always there if you look. I was watching the daughter that people say should be a fitness model from the stands the other day (so I could hear nothing she said but had to look at the body language). It was obvious when she was just chatting, when she was screening out thirsty guys and when the guy she likes came to talk to her. Interestingly this guy is a good athlete but not the best athlete there -there are guys in her team with national titles. He is averagely handsome for an athlete and I think he is not rich. Wears Buddy Holly glasses sometimes. They got friendly through training together and then she decided she liked him. She screened out flirty guys I would have called much higher value. He isn't the one I would have picked out of that pack but then again her mother settled for me, so who am I to say!
Victor 6mo ago
And to add to that for OP: If the interaction is beginning to feel like an interview, you are "just talking". This is the point where most people panic and fumble things. How do I not make it an interview? By saying things that don't make the exchange feel like an interview. In male female interactions, this is achieved most often through flirting.
Instead of asking questions, make observations and assumptions of the girl or the environment you are in. Observations is easy to learn, assumptions will be challenging at first, but you will eventually become confident. You become confident because you realize you could literally say anything. List of shit you could say is literally infinite.
All it takes is CONSISTENT practice. Put yourself out there, talk to anyone, CONSISTENTLY. Do it every fucking day. Talk to strangers and people you know. Just interact with people more for God's sake. You will be a certified rizzler within 6 months if you make interactions with 10 people a day. An interaction could simply be smiling and nodding your head either up or down whenever you make eye contact with the other person. Make a challenge list. Today I will Smile at 10 passing strangers Give 5 people a geuine compliment they don't hear often Make 10 cougars smile Get a handjob from a gilf
Make the challengers harder. Have fun with the adrenaline and being a rizzler in no time. Do these every fucking day. Do not spend a single day in your room from now
Be genuinely interested in the person you are talking to. I like to assume they know secrets that if I knew would improve my life experiences. I do this mainly because it puts me in the right headspace. Even do this to people who are evidently stupid or of no use to you. You will learn a lot about different types of people and human nature very quickly. I highly recommend reading Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment on top of this. This treasure of a literature is a short-cut to attaining a masterful understanding of psychology and human nature in general. Any psychologist worth a peny would back this claim.
Practicing talking to people and improving my social skills + reading crime and punishment was a very enjoyable experience for me. My social skills improved dramatically within a year. It's something you have to keep improving your whole life. The more successful interactions you have with people, the better you get at it. Don't be reclusive and put yourself out there. You will be a masterful rizzler in no time.
Talk to people as much as you can consistently over the span of your entire life. Forget everything else, and just do this. You'll see drastic improvements within a month. Start with thoughtful compliments and observations as a starting point. Once you get comfortable with that, move into assumptions. They can be interesting, funny, negs, all of these combined. I could go into this all day. But it's pointless, because you will come up with your own shit. Just practice practice practice.
First interaction with a stranger, I STFU, activate my ears, listen and become curious in the other person. That's it. Smile more when appropriate to put the person at ease. eg. You are meeting the person for the first time in awhile, smile MORE. Practice that, and you will find your own style of charm. Anyone can be charismatic. I've seen un-charismatic, unattrative mofos BECOME charismatic. Don't make any excuses for yourself.
I haven't felt any social anxiety in my last 5 years. My life lead me to circumstances where I had to be social. Thanks to my fear of missing out (which I've also overcome) I had to become more and more social. You will naturally get better the more you do it. you just gotta DO IT.
It's good to ask questions. The next level from here is to ask better questions. Instead of searching for the answers, ask yourself if you are asking the right questions.
Lastly (I have a lot more, but I'll have to start charging at this rate.. lol) Improve your social ediquette. Table manners, don't be rude, don't be a prick. Make the other person feel you are genuinely interested in them. YOU are the experience. I am still learning a lot of new skills myself. It's crazy helpful in developing your social skills. Social ediquette is literally a solid yet timeless framework of desirable human behaviour.
A lot of anxiety comes from not learning these behaviours. A lot of kids are rude not on purpose, but no one has taught them that behaviour is undesirable. They don't understand the negative social implications of being rude.
So to summarize everything @bluepilldoctor
Talk to people as much as you can consistently over the span of your entire life. Practice practice practice.
Once you get good at this, everything else will fall into place. They will often lead into deeper conversations because of the headspace you're in. You will only achieve this headspace if you... PRACTICE the basics!
EARS - Improve listening skills.
Improve your social etiquette. Social etiquette takes up to a whole life time to master, especially in our current state. Multiple ethnicity which means multiple cultures, and multiple sets of social etiquette. Asians - Take your shoes off when entering their home. Don't step on their entrance door frame. Black people: Buy them KFC when they are feeling down Caucasian - Get them starbucks coffee unprompted. Point is, there is so much to this you cannot finish learning it.
Stay humble. Being humble has gotten me laid 100x more than acting arrogant. Girls who are attracted to arrogant personalities are not people who will assist in your personal development. The solid girls after 20 - 23 will prefer a humble but obviously put together competent guy. Even for a ONS. Quite confidence > arrogance to put more accurately.
Before searching for the answers, ask yourself, are you asking the right questions?
If I were you, I'd be searching for social exercises to practice, and ways to improve my practice social routine. I wouldn't even try get laid at this point. When you master all this, getting laid is gonna be boring compared to the other shit I got going on. I am too busy, and too burnt out by the end of the day to stay erect enough anyway. The best thing about this all this is, having good social skills will get you to places you never thought possible. Better get practicing.
Good luck trooper
Intrepid_Place53900 1 6mo ago
I've had some really hot girls , way back in the day, I'm old.
I have to say, one thing I found was the hotter the girl, the worse the sex. The hot girls were starfish, robotic, no passion,etc.
For me, I get off on a girl who gets into it with me. I don't want a sex doll.
I found the girls who were like a SMV 6-7 were actually the best for sex, they were very motivated and showed they enjoyed it. Also most open to letting me do whatever I wanted to do with them or to them.
That's just my view, everyone likes their own thing.
Lone_Ranger 2 6mo ago
This guy gets it.
The reason I know that OP is not a giga-chad is that he thinks hot chicks are better in bed. Anyone that has banged a few hot chicks knows. There is an inverse relationship between hotness and goodness in bed.
The missing ingredient with hot chicks is enthusiasm. They have are just not that into it. Every single interaction they ever have is men hitting on them. A real beauty is just sick of male attention. I've seen it first hand. But if you are a top 10% guy, and you are banging a 5, they act like its their lucky day. They LEAP at the chance of sucking your dick. They cannot wait to get their clothes off. They kneel down instantly, without you saying a word. They don't say no to anything. For example, I love going raw, and then pulling out and splashing my load all over their faces. It something I have always loved and I will never change. I have never had a 5-8 girls say no to that. They love it. They LEAN into that shit. They know that they are lucky to be even in the same room as you. That is not how hot girls behave.
Maturin_nj 5mo ago
The OP could never handle a hot chick Day to day. He'd Crack so fucking fast. He'd get jealous and insecure and go beta niceguy and throw anything he knows about rp out the window. The first thing you need is an iron clad frame. What about all the dudes staring at her. Making comments. Sometimes those chick's look better in their clothes too. Those girls know right away that he lacks confidence. And how can she have confidence in him. She'll test the fuck out of him. Guys learn from a very early age to stay in their lane.
Lone_Ranger 2 5mo ago
OP doesn't get it. I can tell, because
a) He thinks that hot chicks are going to be better in bed (when the reverse is true)
b) He thinks there is some magic formular of 'things to say' that will enable him to get 'hot chicks' at the bar to come back to his place.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 6mo ago
agree lone_ranger
It totally makes sense. A girl who's a 9 or 10, can fuck just about anyone, anytime. it gets to the point where it just doesn't matter to them. when with a guy it's like, oh just get it over with with you.
A 9 or 10 girl, is even beyond a good looking guy who's a celebrity/athlete. He can probably get a good looking girl just about any time.
She can get "many" good looking guys any time she wants.
yes, the girls who are 5-7, they were soo happy to be getting F'd by me, they'd say, do anything you want with me, use me. So, I did. They loved it.
That gets me.
any girl who's a starfish, or no passion, I'd rather step down and get one who's motivated. Can you find a 9 or 10 who is motivated?
Possible, but I didn't find it.
Acela_nextel 6mo ago
Yeah but who's gonna produce more attractive offspring, the 9 or the 6? Men dealing with unattractive women is the reason why there's soo much ugly/average looking dudes
Intrepid_Place53900 1 6mo ago
who said I wanted kids with these girls?
Lone_Ranger 2 6mo ago
OP specifically said that he was NOT looking for LTR, not looking to have kids.
OP just wants to 'smash hot chicks' by going to 'fancy bar/club' and walking up to 'HB9.5+' and then 'shooting his shot'.
Somehow, this excellent plan is not working out for him, and he can't figure out why, so he is asking for our help. Can you help? Do you know the magic words to say, to make women who are 9.5 (and higher) drop their panties for an average guy? Surely there must be some magic phrase?
Victor 6mo ago
Hi mate, you've come to the right place.
I have a field report I wrote recently about my lay with the most beautiful gorgeous hb10
https://www.trp.red/feed/status/192771
I also wrote some thoughts on in my reply to another commenter here: https://www.forums.red/p/asktrp/322419/any_guys_on_here_who_pull_date_those_supermodels_like_hb9_ho/7840071
What is this league you are referring to?
What league is this girl in exactly that is so out of reach to a hunky piece of meat like yourself?
The HB10 girls league? Just realize for a minute my friend. You are putting yourself in with a league of girls. You are a man. You are stronger and more competent than her. That's dictated by nature.
She isn't out of your league. It's the men that you imagine she chooses that are out of your league.
You are actually pedestalizing men, and that's gay!
You should be ashamed of how gay that is. Never put anyone on a pedestal ever again! Only compare yourself to who you were yesterday. Soon, others will begin to put YOU on a pedastal.
Think about how you could be asking better questions.
GL
MrSupreme 6mo ago
Stop thinking in terms of HBs, look at her features and find something your like,her face,cheekbones,hair,eyes,tits,waist, it will give you something to talk about when you move forward and can give her a soft compliment. With very hot chicks comes other things that will definitely help you, like social circles and reputation. That is the real reason why it may be harder to pull the more beautiful women sometimes, you need that social proof. It will depend of how much full of herself she is too.
idontdesireusername 6mo ago
there is only one way - you have to don't give a fuck about their looks..
how?
FAKE IT till YOU make it
coolsocks00 1 6mo ago
Your post answers itself. Get over your sticking point (anxiety, pedestalizing) and you're set.
redhawkes 2 6mo ago
It's all in your head. Realize this, if you put someone on the pedestal, they have no option but look down on you. Ignore her beauty, seriously.
I treat hot chicks just like the 6s. Even increase the asshole game to 11. They can sense you're pedestalizing them. It's all in your behavior. Internalize the ZFG mindset aka outcome independence and you're golden.