I have a jealousy problem. I can't stop feeling jealous towards guys who fuck and have fwbs. I have this seething anger, it makes me so pissed that some guys can get sex so casually. I'm jealous of the guys that get a bunch of results through online dating while I get ghosted by every single girl I message.
I'm jealous of guys that have girls hitting them up first. The concept of having plates seems so foreign. Some dudes even had threesomes. I can't fathom that some guys have this while I struggle to get a text back.
I'm about to graduate college with 0 experience when it's supposed to be the easiest time of your life to meet girls and it makes me feel like shit, I hear about guys at frat parties having the sex life of a demigod, even normal guys on campus just talking about all the girls they pull and it makes me super bitter and resentful towards them.
I tried meditating to calm my mind and become more stoic but the feelings always come back when I see a attractive girl with a guy in public. Every time I see it I feel like beating the dude up and stealing his girl. How the fuck can I stop thinking like this?
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
Intra-sexual competition is a real thing. Perhaps a long time ago you could've killed another man and taken his woman and this would propagate your genes and solve your reproductive problem. So there's probably some underlying latent violent tendencies just because you're a male.
You probably also have what we call the anger phase, or red pill rage. You're angry that you've been lied to all your life and that everything you've been told has not solved your reproductive problem. This is why we tell people to read the sidebar... so that you can learn the truth about women and unlearn the lies. It's a long process because it transforms your mind, hence the name red pill.
One more thing, it seems like you got incomplete info. You said you work out and have muscles, you know all about hypergamy, you're able to approach women, etc... yet you get ghosted. Anyway, here's the complete deal: money+muscles+frame+game. Focus on the ones you haven't mastered. In another reply where I told you to read the shit test encyclopedia, that falls under game.
joyboy 1mo ago
Isn't game/frame the same thing? Game is just a application of your masculine frame, correct?
And yes I am indeed all of those things but I get ghosted because my mindset fucking with my game as shown by my posts here. I'm trying to fix it.
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
Frame is the foundation of game. "The Game" is about maintaining frame while you PLAY with her while playing WITH her. Shit tests are a form of play and hence game. Once you know how the game is played you can play it and women love it.
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
We've seen this kind of post lots and lots of times.
The answer is always the same. OP socially anxious and finds it hard to calibrate in social settings.
You know what women really screen for? Exactly that.
There is nothing that they like less than socially anxious spergs, the outcasts with no friends. Men think that women screen for height and muscles and cash, but the thing they really really really hate is incels. There is very very good biological reasons for this.
OP, I highly recommend that you forget all about women for a short time and focus on developing social skills, and curing your social anxiety. You are going to have to develop conversational skills (away from pulling). This is totally doable, and will stand you in good stead for every aspect of your life.
The trick is this - you need to be able to make friends, develop social networks. When a woman sees a happy, social, popular guy with plenty of friends, a guy that smiles and seems to have a way with everyone, she wants to be with that guy. She wants some of that.
When they see a socially akward dude, dribbling with aspergers, cold approaching girl after girl to shoot his shot, some tatty PUA scripts, only to be rejected over and over, she thinks - god, what a loser.
Tell us about your friendship circles - how many friends do you have? Hobbies? How do you spend your free time? Your weekends?
joyboy 1mo ago
I only have a few close friends I hang out with regularly but 100+ guys who I would consider acquaintances (I'll chat with them if I see them on campus and they'll invite me out to go to bars/parties and stuff).
I box, do calisthenics/weightlifting, ride and work on my motorcycle, I like to cook/bake, woodwork, snowboard, and a ton of other outdoor activities like rock climbing, running, etc. My buddy gave me a skateboard recently and I've been learning how to ride that.
I'm not sure what that has to do with pulling girls, these are just things I enjoy doing.
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
It has everything to do with pulling girls.
It sounds like you have plenty of hobbies and you are able to socialise. Which is excellent news - good stuff.
Now...can you dig a little deeper and try to think: why do you feel jealousy for guys that are able to sleep around? You said you felt 'seething anger' at other guys, because you think they are smashing all the time.
Tell us more about yourself, bearing in mind that nobody knows your real name.
how old are you now how old first sexual encounter what is your n count any LTRs in the past? any prior trauma? family background?
joyboy 1mo ago
I’m 22, never had any sexual encounters, n count = 0, no LTRs. Wouldn’t say I have past trauma but my parents were more conservative and didn’t want me talking to girls which I guess fucked me up and made me awkward around then. I can count the number of female friends I’ve had on one hand.
And yeah I feel angry because they have what i’ve been trying to get for so long. And I feel angry every time I get ghosted cause I know there’s a 95% chance some cunt stole her from me. It pisses me off that almost every girl I talk to has sucked dick and had sexual experiences and that most guys I talk to have banged chicks while I have absolutely 0
Wyrm 1mo ago
How many NON-SEXUAL dates have you been on? Socializing dates with just a woman? Any repeat dates with no sex?
joyboy 1mo ago
I've been on exactly ONE date my entire life, and it was the only girl out of 200+ matches that didn't ghost me. And I felt like such a cuck during it, she called me WHOLESOME lmao. She had looking for short term on her bio but I guess she felt long term vibes from me. She seemed super jaded and like she had seen it all before and wanted to settle down with me or something.
I didn't want to see her again though cause she was catfishing pretty hard in her pictures and was a few points lower in attractiveness irl so I just told her I wasn't feeling it over text. Maybe I should've kept things going just to see how far they would go but I genuinely could not look at her straight. Like when I got to the location I couldn't even recognize her.
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
Ok dude, nobody stole anything from you.
You don't own any girls, nobody stole anything. YOu need to get rid of the anger, the anger which is just basically FOMO.
You have to realise that not every dude is banging loads of plates. This is how it works - its very very hard to get laid as a 22 year old guy. That changes as you get older. But for now, you need to get rid of your 'incel anger'. Your sense of envy and entitlement is not very manly. Its how women think.
I would start by forgetting all about dates, quit the dating apps and all that shit, forget about cold approach. Try and talk to more women in a friendly Non-game, non-pulling sceanrios. Just do more conversation and let it happen. Practice being social and having low risk conversations, where you don't expect any results.
22 is young - lots can happen in your life, good and bad. But you really need to get rid of this anger, this sense that you are being hard done by. It will kill the joy in your life.
joyboy 1mo ago
Dude IDC I want to get laid with girls now. I don't want to keep "grinding" to reach peak value or whatever by age 30 when all the women my age have tons of baggage from getting ran through.
Lone_Ranger 1 1mo ago
"I want to get laid with girls now"
Ok, but if its not happening, then the girls obviously don't like you. You want to get laid, but the girls don't seem to want to get laid, with you.
So why do you think that is? What is your theory? You're clearly not going to listen to anyone else, so please go ahead and tell me why you're not getting laid? (and all other guys are banging hotties 24/7, according to you).
joyboy 1mo ago
I have a bad mindset which is fucking up my interactions with girls. I can’t get out of my head when i’m talking to them and I always have these thoughts in the back of my brain, like for example I think that she probably fucked guys more attractive/charismatic than me in the past so why would she want me, I’m not interesting enough for her to be interested, how am I supposed compete with all the other dudes in her DMs, etc.
I know it’s a huge problem which is why I’ve been trying to fix it but I haven’t been able too no matter what material I read and whatever positive self talk I tell myself.
First-light 1mo ago
The more that comes out here, the more we see you are a fit, strong healthy guy with plenty of hobbies who can get on at least OK with men. So ...unless you are clearly bottom 20% in looks (unlikely if you are athletic as the body needs to be fairly symetrical for athleticism and that will usually result in a face that is not ugly), its got to be social skills where you can make the big gains. I think this one is not going to be too hard if you get the social skills and get comfy with women up close. Get used to talking to women and being good company for them, see if there are any presentation changes you can make in dress and grooming. I know I said it to start but the more that comes out, the more it looks that way.
So I feel fairly confident for you.
joyboy 1mo ago
I don’t think i’m in the bottom 20% looks wise, I might actually be above avg in that regard (I get a decent amount of matches on Tinder), but I am below avg height. Would that bring me to the bottom 20%?
And yeah I need to improvise my social skills and mindset which is what I got out of all the comments here, it’s just hard and I’m so fucking angry that I haven’t been able to do so until now.
First-light 1mo ago
I don't think below average height is going to change too much. It will have an impact but not huge.
You are younger than me when I had my first sexual encounter. I should have taken action over it at about your age like you are doing, instead I just waited for some girl to come along who was pushy enough to get me out of my shell and that was silly. I think you will be fine. I would just remember the analogy about not worrying about missing but about working on the shot and seeing where the misses are going.
I would use your remaining college time to the max to practise just meeting and talking to women. If one of them likes you and flirts with you then its game on but otherwise just practise. Remember all your mistakes will be left behind when you leave, so be as embarrassing as you like but note why you missed and correct.
joyboy 1mo ago
Appreciate the advice man. Will definitely try and make the most of the time I have while reading the material some other guys linked.
Wyrm 1mo ago
If you get plenty of online matches with women that you consider attractive you are in the top 20%.
joyboy 1mo ago
Maybe but I had to pay. I only had matches/likes in the first week and after that I had to pay for the premium subscription to continue getting a steady stream of matches with women I found attractive. The app is pay to play
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
I haven't read all the replies yet, so bear with me if I repeat what anyone else already said.
No, you have an envy problem. Envy is when you want what someone else has and you don't.
Jealousy is when you are wary of others seeking to take what's yours, hence the phrases "jealous husband/wife" or "jealously guard".
A lot of us were late bloomers. I didn't get my first kiss until 18, and I didn't get my second kiss until 22 (and almost done with college). My second kiss was also the night I finally lost my virginity.
However, as I read and tried different PUA stuff (this was way before Red Pill), things came together for me and I hit my stride. I made up for a lot of lost time before I fucked up and got married.
The great thing about being a man is that it's never too late to start; it's just more difficult. Andv yes, it's easy to kick ourselves over past fuckups. As my PUA readings about IOIs started to click, I obsessively thought back over almost every interaction with a girl/woman and kicked myself at all the missed opportunities. I wasn't unattractive; I was just oblivious and so missed the signs of the ones who wanted me and wasted a lot of time pursuing and being led on by ones who didn't and never would.
I'm rambling a bit, but there's a chance you'll get something out of this.
OK. Nowhere in here did you say what you've tried, what work you've done, what sidebar material you've read.
What are your one-rep maxes for barbell bench press? Barbell back squat? Barbell deadlift?
What fitness programs are you doing?
How's your hygiene? Do you go days without washing your nasty balls and asscrack?
Have you read anything from the sidebar? A quick skim of the other comments makes me think you haven't.
In fact, I'm stopping this one and reading the other comments, and probably fixing to roast you for being a lazy whiner.
joyboy 1mo ago
Just semantics man, who cares. I have Jealousy too, I’m pissed off at the dudes who I get ghosted for.
How late of a bloomer does that make time then? I haven’t even had my first kiss yet.
Read the other comments. My lifts are on my profile (SBD 275/225/335) @ 150 lbs. I do Upper/Lower 4x a week and train boxing.
No I don’t smell like shit lmao.
I’ve read my fair share of the top posts on the subreddit. I looked at the archive and recognized a handful of posts (16 commandments, how to tease bitches).
Durek_The_Bald 1mo ago
It's over, dude. You've already looked at the books. And as we all know, looking at books is the pinnacle of self improvement. Once you've looked at enough books, and it's still not working for you, there really isn't much more you can do. Btw, what's your favourite book to look at?
joyboy 1mo ago
What are you even talking about
Intrepid_Place53900 1mo ago
I made some comments, but want to give you some more.
Way back when I was in college. I was a pretty good looking dude and had some game.
I would get some girls and even without social media (way before), everyone always found out who went home with who,etc.
I'd have guys in the dorm come up to me and say, you were with , so and so? They'd be so mad at me, pissed, like you F 'in asshole.
It was bizarre to me, ya, I had fun with her, but i'm not interested in her. If you want to hit her up, go for it man.
I totally didn't get them, they were angry bitches at me for having fun with a girl that they wouldn't talk to. Most of the guys to be honest, weren't that good looking. They didn't lift, weren't in top shape.
Don't get mad. If you want girls to lust after you, learn and adapt to what they are attracted to.
joyboy 1mo ago
Wtf was the point of this post? Just to brag and rub it in in my face? Did you miss the comments where I said I already put in a ton of work to “adapt” and “improve” with nothing to show?
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
When you reach a level where women are constantly vying for your attention, you'll appreciate having another high value man in the room to take the heat off. I really am not attracted to fat girls but they sure are attracted to me. ugh!
Intrepid_Place53900 1mo ago
The point was to show you your anger is wasted. The anger and jealousy.
It's also to show you the guys you are getting angry at for getting the girls. They totally don't understand you and also have NO pity for you. So stop getting angry or pissy about it.
Reflect on why you are not successful with girls.
Only you can figure this out, I doubt anyone is going to help you. Unless you have a good guy friend who is willing to lay it out for you.
I had a few friends in college who were good looking, decent guys, kind of quiet, not party guys. They'd ask me why they aren't getting the girls. I knew them and interacted with them. Told them simple, you don't go up and talk with girls, you don't dance with them at party's ,etc.
They were baffled. I was baffled they didn't get it.
Intrepid_Place53900 1mo ago
quickly read below and you are getting some good advice.
I'm going to assume and reflect on this. I'm going to assume you give off desperation, or that you have this angry attitude that you give off.
Look, girls , especially young girls, want fun. they want to be around hot guys, but guys that have game, they are fun to be around,etc.
Are you giving those vibes off?
when you talk to girls are you smiling at all? ya, seriously, think about it. Do you come off as a angry bitch?
so, you need to have some fun, enjoy it, and also have a DNGAF attitude with results.
my best results back in those days was when I was having a good time, socializing with guys/girls would talk to girls and really DNGAF on results. They'd actually come up to me and hit on me.
You really need to step back and assess this. why am I not getting girls. You have to be honest with yourself, no one else will be.
EurasianChad 1 1mo ago
Dude it's fine. Men peak later in life. We're all running different races at different speeds, in different lanes.
You have to attach to your "mission/purpose" and then make that the focal point of your life. That way girls simp for you.
Spend your time focusing on improving your body, your confidence, and your "masculinity". Complaining is a useless waste of time man. You're a man, find a solution. I just gave it to you here.
Threesomes aren't even that great tbh. Hot girls simping for you is where it's at.
Wyrm 1mo ago
It seems that you are only emotionally attached to the game, and not the journey. Angry? Find a way to have peace. Not getting a good reaction? Learn to enjoy everyone else's company. Men, women, children. Just find a way to love conversations and love life. You will attract the same. And... it takes a while.
Robert Glover is a positive example..
Wyrm 1mo ago
Oh, and a lot of Red Pill guys are angry, or respond with angry tones. Alpha male speech, instead of a cooperative enterprise.
Here you can learn, but you are compitition... Just relax and learn to be better than your yesterday...
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Women don't want to fuck you because you're obviously like this and probably low SMV, no game
If you want to stop feeling like this become fuckable. That's entirely within your control. Stop bitching and start grinding. Your problem isn't lack of women, your problem is being an undesirable bitch, fix that first.
joyboy 1mo ago
I've been grinding for the past 4 years since I graduated high school dude. I'm ripped with a lean and athletic physique, getting my money up, spent hundreds on fashion, grooming/skincare, etc.
I've cold approached girls on my campus, talked to girls in my classes, joined clubs/activities and tried meeting them there. I've gotten instagrams and numbers but have been ghosted by every single one. Same shit on dating apps, I've been ghosted by over 300 girls on there
How much more am I supposed to fucking grind?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Okay great then. You already grinded, so you don't have to go through the years of grueling self improvement part, awesome.
Now stop being an insufferable bitch and get social skills and game. Get friends and learn social skills
If you're high SMV and still getting no results it's because your game/social skills/vibe/headspace is straight ass
joyboy 1mo ago
Already been doing that too. I'm well known at my campus (dudes will approach me and dap me up) and I get invited out to parties/bars fairly often.
I literally have no idea what I'm doing wrong. Either my SMV isn't as high, or I'm autistic and not realizing where I'm fucking up my interactions with girls.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
You don't understand women and your game is bad and your attitude is bad
joyboy 1mo ago
Obviously my attitude is going to be bad after failure after failure. How am I supposed to convince myself it gets better if I'm getting ghosted by every girl I talk to and make plans with?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
How about you read the required reading so that you can actually understand women? The book is long because it is full of relevant necessary detail for unlearning everything you knew to be wrong about women
Read the book dude. If you didn't and you don't understand women and then you're getting pissy about your failures because you're failing because you don't understand women, when you have actual opened the book that would help you under women and fail way less, than that's your fault
You're being a shooting yourself in the foot salty little bitch because you actually have solutions, you just don't like the solutions because you have to read a long book. Woe is me. Stop bitching and do what you have to do to understand women
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
"this chemistry book is too long, why my lab keep catching fire and making me ill??"
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
What the fuck?
Totes yoloswag. Radical tubular. Crescent fresh. Who let the dogs out.
woodsmoke 1mo ago
God damn it. I'm at rehearsal, the leading man is on stage belting out a super emotional song and I'm back here doing my damnedest not to fall out of my chair laughing.
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
Slamming jamming funky fresh off the heezy fo sheezy
joyboy 1mo ago
I can't take it anymore. Why does everyone else get to fuck and I'm supposed to just "keep grinding"?? I'm going to graduate as a kissless virgin and it's fucking with my head, college was supposed to be the easiest time of my life to get laid. Wtf do those guys have that I don't? I put the work in too so why haven't I been able to fuck?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Did you read the sidebar? Have you read rational male? Have you read book of Pook? What if anything have you actually read in our community?
joyboy 1mo ago
I've read Models which I found helpful. I looked at those other books but they just seem like word vomit. I already know about hypergamy and dual mating strategy and all that shit, idk why they had to turn it into a 500 page thesis just to cover those topics
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Models isn't going to do shit for you. I read models before I found TRP. Doesn't help you if you already don't understand women
And ahhhhh there we have it. Guy finds TRP doesn't read TRP main books and then says "wuh I'm dune wrong?"
Dude read it. You're your own worst enemy here. Read the books you're supposed to read, if you think it's word vomit and won't read it then you deserve to be as clueless as you are man. That's entirely on you
joyboy 1mo ago
What's the main one? I'll read it cause I want to turn shit around fast and get laid while I'm still at college (got like 1.5 months left). Is it The Rational Male?
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
You'll need to be patient. Don't set arbitrary deadlines for yourself.
Also, Rational Male is a great start, but it's only a start.
Read it slowly and digest the chunks you've read before moving on. If you just breeze through it like you're planning, you'll get nothing out of it.
@redhawkes shared a link that was gold in another post's comment thread: https://archive.ph/7G5t9
Roissy/Heartiste is easily the most important Red Pill writer. I strongly recommend "the 16 Commandments of Poon" and "Be a Skittles Man".
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Rollo Tomassi - The Rational Male
Nothing else is in the title
And don't read it in one night like some of the retards on here who read it and don't learn jack from it
Read a few essays at a time, put the book down, and critically reflect on how all that applies to your life. And no you're not gonna understand it by cramming it anyway, if you cram it your lack of knowledge from it is also going to be your fault
joyboy 1mo ago
Why the fuck should I have to read these long ass books just to get my dick wet ? I doubt every other guy on my campus is reading this shit
But whatever dude I'll read it and take notes and ask if I have any questions about it on here.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Because the other guys "just get it"
You obviously don't so hard way it is for you
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
How's your current method working for you?
That's why.
They very well could be. I don't talk about this shit IRL.
Acela_nextel 1mo ago
Maybe fuck a hot ass hooker for your first time and then you won't be as thirsty to to have sex. Gotta get that virgin stank off first cause girls can definitely pick up if u ain't fucked before.
Also redpillers tend to gaslight a bit when it comes to smv, fact is most of the dudes you describe are either good looking Chads or just have a normie mindset to sexual relationships. Maybe try to join a frat since that's pretty much guaranteed way to fuck bitches.
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
Dude, why the fuck are you even on this site?
Acela_nextel 1mo ago
U ask this question every time....
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Addicted to the engagement. Doesn't care about the relevance of his beliefs to the community's
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
Yeah dude, you just need a win to ease you up. Keep in mind lots of us started learning game exactly because we were late bloomers and did not have what you describe others having. While it looks like everyone at college has that life of unlimited sex, the truth is that very, very few do, percentage wise.
Let these facts chill you out for a second. It's okay and natural to be frustrated. But there's no reason to be angry. The dam will break brother, it's just a matter of time.
In the short term, your issue is that this feeling of beta frustration you have is one of the things women dislike the most in men. They find it uncomfortable, unsettling, very unattractive.
As redhawkes put it, you're an AFC right now, average frustrated chump. Your game is lacking. You care too much.
Women are attracted to mystery, uncertainty, confidence, playful arrogance and indifference. That is not you right now, but it can be.
joyboy 1mo ago
Thanks dude this made me feel a little better. I just feel jealous and angry every time I get ghosted, it's like some guy stole her from me and it pisses me off.
But how? How am I supposed to get there if I can't even get a date
coolsocks00 1 1mo ago
Read the sidebar, read the books, watch the videos. Most of all, do the approaches. You can DM me if you're lost.
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
Wrong approach.
You want to be like them, so start admiring them and learning from them. They got what you want....... don't hate the player, learn to play well.
Be more attractive
joyboy 1mo ago
None of them ever fucking help. There's a guy at my university's boxing gym and he shows me the girls he's fucked, and I ask him how meets them and he just said "out and about" on campus, and that it just happens naturally. Like wtf?
Already got that covered to the best of my ability.
mattyanon Admin 1mo ago
learning as in copying....... don't freaking TALK to them.
they lie
good!
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Don't get bitter, get better. Jealousy is bitch trait. You're now in the AFC stage, don't make it permanent.
All of the above is your fault. No one owes you shit. You're where you are cos of your decisions, you need to change what doesn't work. No, being nice guy and simp won't get your dick wet. Complimenting hoes or becoming an emotional tampon also doesn't work.
https://archive.ph/7G5t9
Read and reflect. If this doesn't work, nothing will cos you have deeper issues.
Don't tell me you're the needy bitch from yesterday, if so, fuck off.
joyboy 1mo ago
And just how much better am I supposed to get. I've been getting "better" for the past 4 years with nothing to show for it, meanwhile everyone I see around me is fucking.
I just registered today so how about you fuck off
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Lmaoo, same dry dick incel from yesterday. Knew it.
Seethe fag.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
They're actually not the same guy. Not a rereg
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
It's the same afc vibe anyways. If throwing impotent rage and being jealous worked, everyone would do it.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Yeah, luckily they come onto here and get told otherwise, not that half of them listen though
joyboy 1mo ago
Nope I actually just registered today. Whatever man. I'll look at the archive you linked
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Don't look, read it. Everything you need is there, you just need to apply.
joyboy 1mo ago
If I read Rational Male would it cover that archive? Which one would you read if you were crunched for time?
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
I started with The Rational Male. I agree about the word salad but it's a collection of blog posts. His subsequent books are much more coherent. Religion is by far his best one but it doesn't really have much to do with solving your reproductive problem. Anyway, that book(TRM) will teach you how and why women think and behave. It's very counter-intuitive.
The next book I read is TRM - Preventive Medicine. This teaches you all about the phases women go through in their(blue pilled) lives. It also covers ovulatory shift so you know when to throw alpha or beta vibes.
Finally, you'll want to read the shit test encyclopedia. My guess is that you're failing shit tests and that's why you get ghosted.
redhawkes 2 1mo ago
Nah, RM is theory and dynamics. CH is from the field aka practical. Rollo mentioned Roissy many times in his blog, giving him a huge credit. At the end, he's one of the three R's in the manosphere along with Roosh and Rollo.
Anyways, you need to read the main sub top 500 posts. What you do, obviously doesn't work. So, doing more of it won't work as well. Find your Achilles' heel and improve.
joyboy 1mo ago
Alright thanks. I'll read CH cause I need stuff I can put into use NOW instead of theory.
I'll read that later once I actually fuck a girl
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
Yes, I'm being harsh because you're one of those guys that is so stubborn about doing this his way that you're going to turn into one of the RedPill retards on here that never understands why everything he doesn't doesn't work
You've already made it clear you're going to spoon-feed your game content over theory and you're going to misunderstand all the game content you shovel down because you don't understand why any of the game works either and you're going to do it all wrong as a result
Outstanding. So fixated on getting laid in 1 month that you're going to end up not getting laid in 2 years. Genius attitude. Seen guys like u hundreds of times.
You already don't get it, guess it's time to find a dozen more solutions you don't get before you finally come around to actually doing what we said to do
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
You dumbass. The theory HELPS you understand the practical. Otherwise you don't understand the practical and then going to post
" I did x why my game not work reeeeeeeeeee"
Dumbass. Read Rollo
Typo-MAGAshiv 1 1mo ago
He needs to read both.
He also needs to read other stuff.
He needs to forget his arbitrary deadline, and take the time and have the patience to read slowly and digest what he's read and reset his mental models.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1mo ago
He needs both but if he has high SMV as he indicates, more game won't help him. He'll be gaming blindly. He needs both but he doesn't get it to begin with
joyboy 1mo ago
Even reading overly descriptive FR's on here makes me seethe. I can't even ease my sexual frustrations by watching porn since I get pissed off that it isn't me fucking them instead.
First-light 1mo ago
You know when you get pissed off you are not hitting the bulls eye enough, it never makes you shoot better. Instead work on some aspect of the shot and don't worry where the bullets are going. I know its easy to say these sort of banalities but I have been there.
Also it is possible that one or two whores at the right time might be a worthwhile investment. Not to become reliant on, not to fool yourself about anything but to get a load off your mind and get used to the physicality of women so you don't get all frozen up up close to them.
joyboy 1mo ago
Yeah that makes sense and I know that subconsciously as well which is why I'm here asking for help.
I've been apprehensive about losing my virginity to a whore but now that I think about it most girls are whores at this point anyway. Might as well get it over with so I can move on. Thank you for the suggestion.
First-light 1mo ago
When it comes to losing your virginity, its a personal thing and it will depend how you will take it in future years -as something significant that says something about you or just as the first time you did something. If losing your virginity to a whore will make you feel bad about yourself -like you were not good enough- then don't do it, if you won't take it that way and instead just see it as a first step in a long progression of getting sexually competent (which is how you probably will see it when you have had a few girlfriends), then its probably a good idea, like having a first driving lesson from a professional instructor. Tell the whore you are coming for driving lessons. They have seen every kind of loser, dickhead and pervert on the planet and a polite young virgin will not put them off at all.
Of course remember all those girls who stayed somehow technically "virgins" after doing everything obscene imaginable except letting a guy dump a load in their pussy. That option would also be possible if you were really hung up on it.
First-light 1mo ago
Basically you need to get laid. I think taking the success of others as motivation is a good start. Look very critically at yourself and try to see what you don't have or do that others do and see if you can improve. What can you fix?
Do some exercise or sport. It helps (slightly) to take your mind off sex and more importantly, it makes you happier and happy is attractive, so is fit and healthy.
Talk to women, get used to their physicality. It makes it easier and banging girls always starts with talking to them first. Just practise talking to women, not with a view to sex or even flirting but with a view to learning to talk to women and make them feel good. So talk to ugly ones and old ones too.
A lot of guys make the mistake of thinking its all about flirting and game. These things will help and are expected in some small part by most women but they are very unlikely to work unless she already sees you as good enough. Guys who are attractive, successful and make her feel good to be with are always good enough. You can work on making her feel good to be with you. Just ask yourself "what can I say that makes this woman feel good" and then practise this till it becomes natural.
joyboy 1mo ago
Yeah man I feel like if I just had one success it would be a huge weight off my shoulders. But I can't get there without fixing my mindset first.
100%, I only feel calm and happy when I'm at the boxing gym hitting the speedbag/heavy bag. Already got that covered.
I feel like that's a overly simplistic take on flirting/game. So any guy that simps for her and showers her with affection is gonna be able to hit? Idk dude. But I have 0 experience so maybe I'll start with doing that.
First-light 1mo ago
I wouldn't focus on showering affection and simping. Simping is extremely rarely a good idea and showers of affection are only suitable if someone deserves affection and you are already in a close relationship. Again this is focusing on things guys do in relationships (and maybe not the best things) you have to get to selectable for a relationship first.
I just mean learning to be a good conversation for a woman. Sure compliment her when its earned. Why not. If you like her shoes, tell her you do. It will make her happy if it appears a genuine compliment not simping (which they see through surprisingly well). But learn mainly to just hold a good conversation, that flows easily has lots of healthy non verbal content (not sexualised at this stage). Listen to a chad talking to girls. Most of it is not flirting, most of it is banal stuff but he talks well with the right amount of confidence not arrogance and he lets her talk back. Draw her out on what she is interested in, what excites her, let her showcase whatever she is proud of. Its not simping, Its only how we all like to be talked to.
Simping is saying "Oh yes I am a vegetarian too and I think its really important not to hurt furry animals" because she told you she is a member of some vegan club" Good conversation is just drawing out what she is interested in. "Oh what got you into veganism, what is your favourite vegan recipe... and so on" Maybe don't mention you filled that all those deer tags in a single weekend last year but don't sell out and simp. Now you know to avoid this one because its a vegan freak but she enjoyed the chat and you got to practise.
The best players like playing whether they win or not and that tends to make them lucky. They actually like chatting to women, being with women. I am not one of them but I did need to learn to talk to women at one stage in my life (now I try generally to avoid them as I prefer male hobbies but I have a woman I can't avoid coming home to and too many daughters to succeed at that). It all starts with a good conversation with a guy who is attractive and successful enough. Just look around you at the guys who are banging, enough success and attraction is not that much if he is good company.
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
Your problem is simple: You're trying to get girls. You're focused on girls. You're chasing the girls. You're simping on girls.
The solution is simple: Don't try to get girls. Focus on yourself and not girls. Stop chasing the girls. Stop simping on girls.
Stop giving a fuck about the girls, and they will be the ones chasing you.
joyboy 1mo ago
I didn't give a fuck about girls in high school which didn't really work in my favor. This is only legitimate advice if your some rapper/celebrity/very high status and girls are throwing themselves at you. Otherwise you have to chase.
whytehorse2021 1mo ago
This is about mindset. We call it having yourself as your mental point of origin. We also call it frame. If women are the center of your universe, instead of yourself, you are in their frame instead of yours. This instantly dries up their pussy and they lose attraction and ghost you.
What you mentioned about status is part of your frame. As a college guy you have very high status to high school girls and college freshmen. Being a boxer is also frame, it makes you dangerous. Being respected by other men is also status and consequently frame.
So we're not saying you don't have to initiate with women, we're saying to do it in your frame, not theirs.
No-Stress-Cat 1mo ago
If I may direct your attention to the sidebar, young brother.