Hi guys, first of all I am back. Second, I don’t know what the fuck happened but I’ve had three hookups in the last two weeks. I wanted to keep one of them because she was a monster at giving head. She could do a blowjob for 10min straight. One night she asked if I was talking to other women. At the time, I wasn’t so I told her that. She insisted I was lying and I told her “we don’t have a title yet, I don’t care if you’re fucking other people and you shouldn’t care if I am”. She went absolutely ballistic and said I had to be fucking at least 5 other women and that I need to stop lying to her. She eventually blocked me. But, I miss the head.
Did I lose that conversation because I should’ve lied and said I was fucking like 4 bitches or did I lose that conversation just because she’s crazy? How do I avoid this question in the future? The chick I’m hooking up with now keeps kinda sliding in that I MIGHT BE talking to other women. Yesterday we were talking about drugs and she kinda slid in “I’m sure you’ve been addicted to some white girl”. I’m black and she’s mixed race. It was so random I just let it slide but I’m worried I’m going to have to face the “are you talking to another woman?” question again.
Right now, I’m hooking up with one woman and ARRANGING hook-ups with three other women. How do I handle this if it happens again?
Also, side point that I just remembered and decided to edit in. I don’t know what the fuck is happening, but every chick I’ve taken out eventually goes on a rant about how I’m a great guy and I’m super sweet and I’m kind and I take care of her yada yada yada. I try to keep my dates down to $50 per date and I usually either just take them for a walk somewhere or to something free outside with some food stands. If I like them, I’ll drive to costco and get them one of those $10 flower bouquets because that almost always means the date will end in sex. I’m literally not doing anything special and I know from previous experiences if they start talking about that they’ve usually hooked up with dudes in a parking lot after a mcdonald’s date. In fact, I know that because they’ll tell me guys usually just take them to burger king or mcdonald’s and fuck them in the parking lot.
But, I don’t know what game to play after that. I know from when the old subreddit existed that you should always let the women you’re fucking know you’ve got options. Yet, if I do that, they insist we need to be exclusive and if I don’t do that, it always ends with them saying I’m a fuck boy and I’m just using them for sex. It makes me kinda upset cause I’m like “you didn’t care when dudes were just taking you to a hamburger place and fucking you after, why do I have to be exclusive?” I just can’t ever hold on to an easy fuck because it’s like I take them on their first low budget date and they get obsessive over me.
How can I solve that too?
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
How did you not end up in jail since your last post
OPStolen 2y ago
she got a restraining order on me and I finally decided to move on (cause I’d get arrested if I contacted her again). I opened a Bumble account and a Tinder. My ex kinda gave me the play book for easy hookups. I show up, take them someplace free or cheap, bring a $10 bouquet from Costco and they start obsessing about how they’ve never been treated right and how I’m the first guy to not just fuck them in a parking lot at mcdonald’s. I’ve literally played the same game with every girl. I just ask if they like movies or doing something outside, take them to a movie or some free outside event, chat them up, do kino, give them a few compliments, and end up fucking afterwards.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Very informative. Take my upvote
OPStolen 2y ago
thank you. I’m trying to figure out how to keep hook ups though. I keep finding women that do special things that I like. Some ride and do all the work, some give killer blowjobs. I don’t have any constant contacts. Someone I know I can hook up with in a certain way if that makes sense? It’s always a surprise when I hook up how they like to have sex or what they’re willing to do in bed. I just really want to keep a chick that likes to be on top but I keep falling into the “you’re a great guy, it doesn’t have to be all about sex. let’s become exclusive” trap. I don’t know how to counter that.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Okay, So ball-busting aside, you fucked up by being overt.
Don't tell a woman (you shouldn't care if im seeing someone else). If you think about it from their perspective that is unintentionally using their womanese. so while you were making a rational point, you basically said 'i'm fucking someone else and it shouldn't bother you because you're not my girlfriend."
Don't use overt statements with women unless you know its not interpreted as womanese in some way. You should have responded to that as a test not with autism. "Yeah i had to call my mom and sister for something the other day, why?" you act dumb and bantery not obstinate and autistic. At worst you should just pressure flip it "a cute girl like you doesn't have guys talking to her?". Don't be a retard. Overt is autism unless you actually have a good answer they can't possibly get defensive about without looking stupid, which takes good instinct.
As for not getting these blowouts? idk maybe don't do beta shit like bringing flowers to the date? Is chad bringing flowers? no. he is fucking them and then telling them they don't have to stick around if they don't want to but that he's here if they are down. Does he lose some with that? sure, but he doesn't care
you're straddling the line between being a liar through your actions. Why would a guy wanting casual bring flowers? he wouldnt
the old sub and sidebar worded everything in a way complete spergs with zero ability for detecting nuance or navigating anything without desperate handholding could adequately understand on their own. Sorry to break it to you, but you're one of such spergs. Don't take that LITERALLY. She should know you COULD get other pussy. Even if you DON'T she should know in her bones you could get another woman easily if it came to it or if she fucked up and that if you HAPPEN to have another woman then she should earn outvaluing that woman.
Stop being a sperg.
Theolympicnomad 2y ago
Are you primarily meeting them through online dating? If so, online dating very rarely EVER leads to having fuck buddies because girls go on dating apps with the "intentions of dating" but you just fucked her and didn't give her any commitment. So her continuing to see the guy who "got one over on her" means that she has to acknowledge the fact that she got out-hustled by you if that makes sense. That's why most girls from online dating will fuck you, and backwards rationalized that they "fucked up and won't let it happen again" in their minds.
Another thing you have to understand is that online dating is essentially the gutters of women, where I'm from we call it "gutter-game" because these are women that essentially "failed" at being their gender so to speak so they hop on online dating for mostly attention but every now and then they slip up and give away their goods then backwards rationalize.
Now my solution is this:
Firstly learn daygame/night game. Know how to get semi consistent same day lays and same night lays (day 2sfrom daygame/nightgame kinda merit the same results if you don't manage expectations properly).
Secondly when you fuck these girls there are rules that come with being fuck buddies. NEVER try to keep her around, it's THEIR job to try to keep a cool motherfucker like YOU around. And when you text them it's always for the same thing either drinks or weed and SEX and that is IT. No hanging out in public with PDA none of that shit. And lastly, only fuck her ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK no more than that. Hell with my fuck buddies I was only fucking them 3 times a month and that was enough to keep them still obsessed with me.
Let me know if you have any more questions brother. (I'm black too)
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Caveat, girls on OLD also just have a lot of dick. Some say they want a relationship but really they just needed their rebound or want to explore their other 50 matches without having a roster.
I've never plated an OLD girl. Max I've ever gotten is two lays from one on two different days of marathon sex and a friendship out of a different one after she gave a handjob (trust me i don't waste time on her at all, she was trying to commitment trap me)
Ironically I got ghosted by one before a date but then met her in person a year later organically and she became a 2 month Fwb that fucked me 4-5 DAYS (not times) a week. When she met me online i was disposable and not worth a 3rd message. In person i became an extremely solid FWB and then i alpha widowed her after i fucked another chick and dumped her (had a good reason for it)
OLD is a delusion factory. the laws of RP and human nature get distorted by the grossly unrealistic opportunities OLD gives women. At no time in human history could women get 500 lay prospects from the comfort of their toilet seat with no effort from people they have never even met
They basically have a la carte Amazon prime dick same day or even same hour delivery in a lot of cases and so even if you fuck an OLD girl well you will just be but one guy she could do that with.
I'd argue that fucking an OLD girl extremely well for almost zero effort whatsoever actually just psychologically reinforces the idea that she can keep swiping and keep fucking her alternate options because she has learned she can get super dick like Amazon prime.
While it's better to fuck them good then not fuck them good OLD just provides such alternative universe perverse incentive structures that exceed anything women have ever had to evolutionarily cope with and so you get illogical outcomes such as being unable to plate girls you otherwise could have plated in person (as my anecdote illustrates)
That hoe still isn't over me she is still trying to heal (from a man SHE ghosted). That's what OLD does women versus real life
Hugo_The_Great 2y ago
You can absolutely plate women through OLD, you just have to accept they're going to be lower quality than what you could pull in person.
À la carte Amazon prime dick is a problem yes. I absolutely think the women going on a new date every week develop terrible mental health (if they hadn't already).
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Agreed
EurasianChad 1 2y ago
You didn't lose her, she lost you.
Hugo_The_Great 2y ago
You DON'T have to show women you have other options. Openly displaying that is disgusting to a lot of women, you moron.
You should explore multiple options at once, but it's just for your own mental, so you don't start hyperfocus on one girl, overthink and believe she's a unicorn or some shit.
Women should THINK you have the ABILITY to explore multiple options.
Guys in here who think women get wet if you have other pussy on rotation have it backwards in most cases, the women don't get wet because you have other women, they get wet because they know you are high value enough to easily attract other women. If you are actively exploring those options or not is beside the point.
Again, the only reason to explore other options is that you enjoy it and for your own mental, which translates to higher confidence & even more options.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
I don't know whether to blame spergs for being spergs or the original vanguards of TRP for not wording anything with the utter percentage of spergs in mind
First-light 2 2y ago
This may be nothing but its a possibility -one thing I have come to realise is that when an angry conversation makes no sense, it is often not because the hamster got muddled up (we forgive women a lot when the hamster gets confused) but because she actually just wants a reason to break up, so she creates the angry conversation out of thin air.
She might have been banging other guys, seen you are a player and wanted you to be her plate. When you sounded more committed she just thought "I don't need this, I will bail" and constructed the argument.
The best way I can put it is that if an argument with a woman comes out of almost nowhere and it just seems like she is smashing things up that were not broken, it is because she wants a reason to break things up. Women know they can get away with being irrational and storm out if you have made them angry, so they just get angry to let them be irrational and storm out. I have only seen this in female players not in "nice girls"
May not be but its one to keep in mind.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
I'm guessing she's slutting it around with other guys and now that she finds you're not doing the same she feels slutty AND THEN BLAMES YOU.
Look..... always tell girls you're seeing other girls. Otherwise the message is "I want a girlfriend and I don't get laid much". It's much easier to maintain a FWB relationship if you're always seeing other girls, so just say that.
Yep., shes' a bit crazy
Have a stock answer..... eg...... "sure, I'm talking to other women...... not sharing the details though because I don't kiss and tell..... and I won't be sharing details about you with anyone else, ever".
Sure, but that's a pretty good deal for a lot of girls. You're being good and leading and all that shit....... but mostly this is halo effect: if you're attracted and fuck her good she will back-rationalise that you are a good/caring person.
Right. compared to that, you're a fucking king.
Ok
"You are using me for sex" is what women say when you have STARTED TO PROVIDE FOR THEM. Emotionally or financially, "you're just using me for sex" is what women say to men they are in the processing of beta-izing.
It's a guilt trip designed to get more provider behaviour from men showing provider potential.
I've heard this shit from LTR's.
I have NEVER heard this shit from girls I'm fucking who are clear I am fucking other options.
exactly.
Show ZERO provider behaviour.
Nice dates (even cheap ones) plus flowers plus staying in touch plus always-arranging-the-next-date-with-no-gap = PROVIDER BEHAVIOUR.
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mattyanon Admin 2y ago
You're welcome to quote me, but please put > in front of it when you do so that it's clearly a quote and not your own wording.
You have just copy/pasted two lines of what I said, without acknowledging that it's a quote/reply.
This is terrible form.
coolsocks00 1 2y ago
You take women out, buy them flowers and then get surprised when they bring up The Talk? Lol
You also have no sense of frame control. Dont just answer questions with facts like some sperg. Deflection, reframes, fogging; read up.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Half of this tribe could post in satire and i wouldn't know the difference