I've started dating a woman who's been in a total of two relationships. The first was in her early 20s with an Alpha guy who dumped her after a year. She describes him as "alpha but toxic" and she had to take a year out to "rebuild herself". He was in the habit of negging and controlling everything she did, his main weaknesses seem to be a few insecurities she remembers. He's a wealthy professional at this stage and he was also her first.
The second and the longest running ( 4 years) was a classic beta who failed to excite her in any meaningful way, likely was chosen for how sweet and safe he was compared to the last. A direct contrast who she says "Just wasn't enough for me". She dumped him
Now she's been rather honest about her past and I've gleaned whatever I can to establish the extent of her Alpha Widow scenario. This Alpha ex has crossed paths with her before whilst dating Beta bob a few years ago. He text her for a coffee and catchup and she said she's in a "Happy relationship" and didn't entertain him and also told her partner about it allegedly.
In any case I've been in this scenario once before with an ex who was cheated on and still prattling on about an ex. I essentially had to outclass the past to establish a new higher bar. It was a massive pain in the ass but I suppose it did make me a better man overall and worked, she eventually never spoke of him. Although this current girl has not spoken to this Alpha ex for several years, I'm aware that he is tougher competition than the last guy I dealt with and will likely require extensive effort to beat in her mind if she's making comparisons. Is there any nuance to these scenarios? Am I overthinking it considering he's not her last ex? Is this a ticking time bomb if I do nothing?
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
I would personally be uninterested in this.
I had a FWB who's ex year long casual fling was a special forces dude in the military who killed people for a living. While i believe I found his photo online and didn't think he was a Chad at all she was fixated on him. A year after i nexted her last year to the curb I gave her a ride home this past Friday (didn't have anyone else to pull anyway) and she was saying she reopened communications with him
The whole time I was fucking her she was fixated on this dude she hadn't talked to in 3 years. Now it's been 4 years and he reached out and she was telling me he can "guide her"
The only reason i let her yap about it is because she's still single and miserable after i dropped her and I liked hearing about it (she was a cunt that's why I dropped her, but we've since become cordial finally)
My point is if she's still yapping about an ex she's probably not over him regardless of what she's says. Girls who are over their exes don't bother with them. They use the block function, they use short replies, they give frienzone answers to their exes.
Oblivionking 1y ago
While he's not on the level of special forces, you're right, there's still an emotional history there. Admittedly she hasn't brought him up much herself. This was a recent conversation I initiated as screening. In any case you've given me an idea. I'll go radio quiet about him, continue making her feel comfortable and see if he spills into conversation naturally. She won't be able to help herself mentioning him in some context if she's still pining. If that happens I'll drop her
Vermillion-Rx Admin 1y ago
My advice to you would be to keep this girl as recreational use. Would a girl dating her ideal Chad be talking about an ex?
No.
This same chick in my anecdote was asking me what she was doing wrong in dating (we had a strictly casual relationship) and a week before i left her for a girl who had more desire for me (we were exclusive) she told me that when she is on dates with men she really likes, that she DOESN'T mention the special forces guy. And when she was on dates with guys she DIDN'T like she would talk about him quickly
Take that for what you will this chick only told me about him after we'd been fucking hard for a week and had the no relationship convo. She didn't mention this guy before that
Oblivionking 1y ago
It makes sense, a girl wouldn't risk losing her ideal Chad by yapping about past guys. She'd want him feeling like he's all that matters. Useful insight indeed and a test this girl will naturally fail if she's Alpha widowed. I appreciate your insight man, saves me a lot of pain.
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EurasianChad 1 1y ago
Girls will talk about their exes to try and test you and see how you'll respond.
This is normal and I've noticed this myself. I know what they're doing because it always comes after they see me hitting it off with another girl. When you're emotionally detached you see all this shit in real time, and all games being played. Its actually funny how childish some women are. I'm also fucking them at the same time, so all signs point towards their easily emotionally volatile minds being hurt by the fact that other women want the real deal (yourself).
So edit: context matters.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
finally find myself in agreement with you buddy!
EurasianChad 1 1y ago
Not worth it for LTR.
Every single girl I've widowed has led to a disasterous relationship with their next partner, complete disrespect. I'm sure these men all hate me.
She can never give you her all if her heart is still with that guy who rocked her world.
You cannot compete if you are not in the mindset of being the prize. If you think you are the prize, you will never tolerate this shit. You're either #1 or nothing. Simple.
Intrepid_Place53900 1 1y ago
look
he is an alpha type guy, he's wealthy and he was her first?
She say's he was toxic, that's translation for, "he just did what he wanted, it was never about me, sniff".
Because he was way above her.
she's damaged, keep her for fun and treat her just like this guy did.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
when a woman describes an ex as 'toxic', what she really means is Alpha.
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
Basically, don't get into she said this, she said that etc etc etc. It doesn't matter what she says or said, it matters how she made you feel.
If she is really into you, she will make sure that she makes you feel like an alpha and that you are her one and only. If she is talking about ex's, she is NOT doing that. Is she is telling you anything at all about her sexual past, she is not doing that. She is deliberately disrespecting you, because she doesn't see you as her alpha. You said it yourself -
"I'm aware that he is tougher competition than the last guy I dealt with and will likely require extensive effort to beat in her mind if she's making comparisons. "
She is making you compete with some dude from the past.
If I could go back and change one thing in my past, it would this: I would hard next any chick that did anything to make me feel like that. I would instantly ghost any chick for that behaviour, without even telling them what they did wrong.
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 1y ago
Lolol I’ve alpha widowed a couple bitches in my day.
1 ended up LTRing a fat fuck version of me but is still constantly posting half naked pics on her “close friends” list on ig (with me there); guarantee he doesn’t know about it.
Another I’m still smashing rn. friends w my ex oneitis; absolutely ruined her for the next guy lol getting ready to release her back to the skreets so I can smash my ex oneitis instead lol.
Imo nah man hella nah never go for an alpha widowed bitch. You’ve got to be the best she’s ever had/can ever hope to attain. If it ain’t that she’s gonna go back to her alpha the second she gets a chance. And she’ll have been used the fuck up by the time she gets to you
Lone_Ranger 2 1y ago
"My ex was toxic but alpha"
Translation
"My ex was hot and you are not"