I ended up in a beta orbiter situation after initial mutual attraction. How do i change that? I know the "disappear" thing is usual but there'll be a moment i'll "come back", then how? Also girls usually "check their orbiters" when they are abscent and throw them back into that category. How to change this AND GET THE BUSINNES - not only "let it go".
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Bozza 2 2y ago Stickied
You can't. The fact you're trying to win her over shows you're too emotionally invested and still have oneitis - i.e. you're an orbiter.
Ignore her and game other women.
Only when you truly no longer give a fuck about her, will she see you as AF. But by that point you won't care about fucking her anyway.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
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nicknack 2y ago
Thats the catch 22. She will only start wanting you when you no longer want her. But by then you no longer want her. So 90% of the time this goes nowhere.
Gilles 2y ago Stickied
The question you should be asking yourself is why are you pursuing someone who is not interested in you? This is not in your best interest, and you deserve better. You unconciously think that she is too good for you, which is why you want her. This is not your fault, it is related to past experiences with women, probably also your parents. It takes time to learn to stop this kind of behavior. You will not be with this woman, and that's ok. She might be beautiful, but she is not special. You need to focus your attention on other women.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
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cav123 2y ago
Because she was interested before and it's fucking annoying the fact she's now dry. Also i keep thinking of her being fucked and getting creampied by her useless who didn't have to do no "RP Training" ex boyfriend when they were together.(i use as motivation to work/gym but still )
Gilles 2y ago
That makes sense. It's can be tough when she removes her interest. But it doesn't change the fact that you should be pursuing your own interests instead of speculating on what she is doing.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
This chick owns your motivational and reward system at the sounds of this. Go have sex with other women
MidgetSpinner 2y ago
He doesn't deserve better until he realises what everyone in here is saying. Stop chasing bitches who don't want you. Don't chase bitches, period. Show them some interest, see if they bite and invest, and then let them chase.
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Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Yes this ^
There are some specific times you need to situationally pursue a chick hard but it takes experience to know when such effort will be a lay that night or whatever or whether it's remotely worth. It's rare but I've gotten some high effort lays because situation warranted/didn't have other options that day etc
Otherwise, yes. Default course of action should be pursue slightly and see if they bite
MidgetSpinner 2y ago
I've done the same, and I actually enjoy the chase when it's a girl I know I'll eventually get, and she is showing interest but generally don't chase, or to put it a simpler way: Don't invest more than her. It's actually more nuanced, to be fair and varies from girl to girl.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Likewise, I really enjoy flexing some solid game when I know it will pay off.
Example: my 2 months FWB who fucked me 12-20 times a week
She was extremely resistant to me (cause she was holding out for some guy). I nexted her to her face after a date where she came on to me strong but then said she didn't want me but still wanted to hang out with me
She hit me up a week later and flirted hard with me two more times. Tried one more time to make a YOLO date and she agreed.
Gamed her very hard at the movie theater (I only did a movie because I was 100% sure if I did she was going to cuddle me in the recliner and she did immediately).
I slowly escalated, we got dinner, and then I asked if she "wanted to hear my music" she came over. The thermostat was extremely fucked and it was already freezing as it was outside, so we had no choice but to get under a heavy blanket
Her LMR was extreme even though she was horny as fuck all. Most extreme LMR I've ever seen in my life (she was REALLY holding out for that one guy) and then she fucked me 4 times and gave me 2 blowjobs
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Had I given up I wouldn't have gotten to fuck her 100 times in two months with tons of head. I broke her when I got sick of her shit but point is I could have passed on all that insane sex but had a hunch it'd be worth and I was correct
cjtakk 2y ago
Interesting read, as I might be in the same situation. Right now I have lost all interest to be honest but might as well play the game to possibly achieve a couple easy lays in the future.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
Would be curious to know your situation. Hard to give an accurate interpretation without knowing the chick but in my case I just YOLO'd it
Genuinely nexting her probably helped her know she was on thin ice
But I didn't do that with the intention to still fuck her. I did it because I was genuinely done.
My situation probably got really lucky to be honest. I think there was an extremely high likelihood she never would have fucked me without me playing hardball
This was the most interesting lay I ever had only because she was the girl most resistant to ever fucking me but then was the girl who's fucked me more than any other girl in my life (for time spent knowing her)
Very weird situation to be honest
cjtakk 2y ago
Damn, never encountered such a situation myself.
Now that I reread your comment, I realized Its actually nowhere close to yours. Anyhow the point I was trying to make is how bitches act after you next them and go about your life.
In my situation, I think this bitch ignored me because she left on a slut trip with her friends to somewhere warm in europe.
At first it annoyed me but I just texted other plates and got with them. Now all of sudden when they are coming back, she is sending me messages.
She got her dosage of dopamine and attention and now probably needs someone to fuck her while she lives her boring life back at home.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 2y ago
You very well could be right but only her and her friends know what happened on the trip
Either way I just don't put up with lukewarm interest. And if I do put up with it it's because they're backburner girls I talk to for my own entertainment
There's one such girl i see around every week. I know deep down she wants to fuck but won't for some reason
I just started resorting to playfully roasting her and I keep escalating my roasts because I just don't care. She's played so many games that I just leech entertainment off her now and it riles her up
Maybe she'll fuck me some time but I don't care
Just go where the energy is. You'll get more lays and be happy that you low key reject these backburner chicks covertly
(Edit: I see you have plates already, wasn't ignoring that)
Lone_Ranger 3 2y ago
Once an orbiter, always an orbiter. They never get 'promoted'. You're only solution is to move on. It's a bit like the girl who moves to LA to become a movie star, but while she waits for the big role, she is a stripper. They never get the big movie roles.
Seagram7 2y ago
There are two ways out of the friendzone. Both options suck:
Hard Reset. This strategy is where you completely disappear from her life and go on a self improvement journey. You hit the weights, cardio, and diet hard. At the same time elevate your career and status so your not in fast food. So when you do reappear in a few years, you now seem like a Chad that has options and not some pathetic orbiter that cries at her awesomeness when in her presence. That is how your "disappear" then I'll "come back" works.
https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/10/good-girls-do/
Here is some self improvement reading. The orbiter in this story sounded just like you. He was so deep in the friendzone AND so non-sexual in her eyes that she could tell him about her one night stand with Chad like he was one of the girls. That was his Red Pill, his baseball bat to the head: that he kissed her ass for all that time and she goes and fucks a rando. He finally had enough and walked away. In doing so learned the power of the takeaway.
Durek_The_Bald 2y ago
You don't "end up" being an orbiter, you choose to be one. And you change that by choosing not to be one. Nobody is forcing you.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
FIND BETTER OPTIONS!!!
Chances are the attraction from her was superficial and/or designed to lure you in as a beta. WOMEN DO THIS..... they pretend to be more attracted than they are until they work out if they are truly attracted or not.
That's fine, whatever....... NEXT
NEXT
NEXT
Yes
NEXT
Look, the easiest way to get one woman is to get other women. And then stop caring about the first woman.
You've got oneitis....... you cannot make it work "with this one special girl", but you can make it work with one girl out of many. But you need to stop caring which one it is.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
Can you clarify your post? All I saw was next next next.
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
Sorry for being unclear ;)
OPPTRP 2y ago
Sometimes doing nothing can be the way to move. If she’s not into you she won’t be if you pursue, sometimes leaving her alone can make her come back and if she doesn’t you won’t notice as you’ll be pre occupied with other pussy.
I was in a similar situation or am in.
Female friend who I hadn’t previously considered broke up with her bf a year ago. Last few months she’s been texting more inviting me out. We hung out one on one and I could swear she was flirting.
I didn’t do anything as we were hanging out in a group. The next day.
I stupidly said somehting via text and she said something like you’ve been thinking about this a lot haven’t you.
Instant turn off and stopped contacting her.
Still messaging me first and inviting me out. Seeing her for an event Saturday. If it’s there I’ll take it but I won’t pursue it. In friends groups it’s best to flirt and not pursue
Problematic_Browser 1 2y ago
Just go. It's not hard.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
From all the posts I've seen, it's usually a guy goes and ups his SMV and gets with a better chick and then these chicks come running back.