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Hey Fellas,
Met this girl at the bar and walked her to her car at the end of the night. Spit great game and she said, ”Well I’ll have to get your number” multiple times through evening. Make out at her car for a bit and parted ways. She texted me when she got home implying she wanted me to set up a second date.
We go on a second date a week later. Texted only for logistics and she responded immediately when I reached out. We go on second date. First spot was ice skating, good Kino there from holding hands and helping her balance, second was an absinthe bar, continued Kino by touching her legs more etc.
I get her back to my place asking if she wanted to see my motorcycle. We start making out on couch and tell her to take off her jacket and stay a while. She proceeds to get on top. After 10 minutes I carry her to my bed. She tells me she doesn’t do anything first date etc. I pull back a bit and escalate, eventually getting her shirt and bra off. Big resistance unbuttoning her jeans. End up rubbing her clit through her jeans. She puts up more LMR, but saying you’re making this really difficult while smiling and looking away. But ultimately I couldn’t break through further
That’s about as far as I went, I would say total time was 25 minutes. I led her to the door, and while in my place she was throwing out ideas of when she could see me again. She headed out. I texted her the following evening saying “Hey had a great time last night. Almost missed work today you kept me up too late.” as usual with most girls. Haven’t heard back and it’s been 6 hours.
So how are guys viewed that can’t break through LMR? Am I considered a bitch now because I fell in to her frame? Where can you draw the line between rape vibes and playful no’s. What is the outcome to failing LMR and how to proceed from here?
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EDIT: So the plot thickens. I discovered she made a tik tok about her prepping for the date. Going over makeup, a jacket she bought for the date, talking some girl stuff, but mentioned some stuff about me. Here’s what she said basically,
“So normally I’ve not been going on dates with boys because they scare me, but I met this guy at my fav bar. And he’s a little bit different than the guys I normally go for, but kinda looks like Rudy Pankow who I love. He asked me to go ice skating which was cute and he drives a motorcycle. My mom said she would disown me if I got a ride so we will not be doing that, but idk I think it’s kinda fun.” Enthusiasm for the rest of it.
Well I look at the comments and she has one that says “yo! So the guy sucked (shocker)” lmao. And the video was posted like right as she was leaving my place based on time. She didn’t even give a day to reconsider haha. I did notice she had a few vids hating on men a bit so idk if she said that for the memes, but isn’t a good sign for her as a person anyway.
So I guess that answers the “what do girls think about not closing past LMR” question. I think the actual date was just fine, otherwise she wouldn’t have gotten to my place with her shirt off. Interesting to see how the tables turn so quick at the very end of the date based on me not dogging her from behind.
RedPill115 2y ago
This is it...she has some sort of mental issue...I've known a few girls like this they like the idea of the attention from a girl, and they've heard other girls like sex, but then their own brain hardcore self-sabotages themselves.
While it's possible different game might have led to different results it's really best to avoid these psychologically scarred women as you never know what they'll do. They can have amazing earth-shattering sex one night, then the next day feel they're supposed to claim it was against their will or something.
They're absolutely walking land mines and if there's something that gets them to self-select out - don't stop them. Let them run themselves away. It's like you're fishing and one day a great white shark comes up in the net - don't try to keep it in the net, dump it out and move on to the next spot.
kncrew2112 2y ago
After it being almost a week since the date, this section of the story has stuck with me the most. Ultimately, though fun, she let some of her ideologies slip through the cracks. And when comparing to my own SMV and hers, a person of my current SMV with jobs, experiences, physicality, should really just let it go.
The failure bugs me, but as I continue to put myself in different situations with women, I tend to learn outcomes of different type of women. I’ve been with girls before with similar trains of ideology, and none have ended with great outcomes. Plus she didn’t even say thank you for paying haha
I’ll take the closure in knowing she thought the date sucked and call it a win, as we men almost always yearn for closure when having been ghosted. Add her to the instagram orbiters.
RedPill115 2y ago
I think you're actually experiencing what it is actually that girls experience that draws them to psychopaths, narcissists, etc.
Something about it "feels" like it should work - even though it isn't working at all and it won't.
That's a good approach, but I think technically it probably will never work for her with anyone on a sexual level.
whytehorse2021 2y ago
The way you're perceived is based on how you deal with it. If you had many options you could just end the date and get a woman who would come over and fuck. If you have scarcity you would jump through all kinds of hoops. When a woman says "I don't put out on the first date" you just ask them which date they put out on and then do that many low energy/cost dates until you hit the magic number. If she doesn't give an answer then just friend-zone her and use her for social proof and preselection.
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kncrew2112 2y ago
So the “Hey had a good time last night” like I’ve seen around here a bunch. Mainly used to get confirmation next day that the girl had fun after an evening of sex so there’s no rape accusations etc. even tho I didn’t F close I figured it wouldn’t hurt that bad. I hear what you’re saying on the second line.
I would say HB6/7. I met her at my local spot which is a bar, and she’s new to town and she loves it too. She mentioned she had a friend visiting this weekend and that she would love to see me there and asked me kinda to be there. I said maybe depends on how the night goes for me. But this was said before the night ended. Wondering if I should be there like I said I would be. Or avoid.
Einsamer 2y ago
You are losing frame here. What do you want to confirm? Of course she had fun, otherwise she will let you know through her actions, no need to ask. And about rape accusations - she can still change her mind years later, no matter what she texted you. "Oh, he was so aggresive, I was afraid if I don't confirm he would come after me...". No honestly, just don't do that. If you want to give extra COMFORT then yeah. But you certainly don't want to do that after how the night went.
Here's what your attitude should be IMHO: "This girl screwed up a bit, what's wrong with her? Well, she was kinda cute so I might give her just one more chance. If it's a fluke again, that's it." And your texts should give this away. Most importantly, you should NOT text her early afterwards. She should feel sorry/bad for it and make up for it. Otherwise, I think the chance is very high that she will flake.
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 2y ago
whatever you do don’t double text.
kncrew2112 2y ago
Got that right
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 2y ago
also…
every girl is a slut for the right guy. if she didn’t put out first date you’re just not the one fam. juice ain’t worth the squeeze; move onto the next. if she comes to you trying to initiate cool whatever but I wouldn’t hang w her again unless if she was coming over to give me premium gawk gawk 9000
kncrew2112 2y ago
Check out my post edit haha
financehardo420 Should i (x1) 2y ago
sidebar is nothin but facts bro
mattyanon Admin 2y ago
At this point you just write her off as a feminazi and get on with your life
kncrew2112 2y ago
Yep, crazy to me how they can switch up so quick