I guess my advice is probably the same as last time. Tinder is extremely shallow(though pretty much all OLD is shallow but tinder especially so) and all about fucking so show some skin. You got a good face but your poses could be better probably.
Hahaha it was you lmao XD oh shit dude, how u been? I've been dating this one girl exclusively for like.. 6 months or something but uh, I feel like I've been kinda wasting my time with her so I'm getting back into it now.
That's awesome man, congrats. Looks like you got it figured out. Why do you feel you're wasting your time with her? Not LTR material?
As for me, I've had some ups and downs, stopped lifting because I'm a pussy, and trying to get back in the right mindset for life. I'm starting university next month.
Yeah.. she's cool and all I just can't see myself in the long term with her ya know?
Ahhh, well it's not for everyone I suppose. Congrats on uni tho! You are a good looking dude tho, probably better face than me and definitely better height. You should be able to get girls pretty easily if you try. Maybe not on tinder, idk. Other apps don't even let you post shirtless pics so maybe give them a try or do some daygame or nightclubs.
Probably don't need to if you're starting university tho, should be pretty easy to meet girls in your classes.
As I understand it you are better off with pictures of you doing stuff, rather than what appears to be a staged photo shoot. It just rings fake to them. The picture with the friend is a keeper though.
Oh shit, you're a virgin? Hmmm.. maybe that's why. Also, I noticed you don't have any sexual themed pics. You gotta not be afraid to push a little bit and escalate man, I think what you might be missing is the realization that girls like sex just as much as we do. They might like it even more, judging by the noises and faces they make sometimes. I only make noises at the fucking end I think, but they're like moaning and shit throughout so.. I wonder sometimes..
Yeah man. It just seems to boil down to lack of social skills (even though I am trying my best) and extremely high standards. I still have oneitis for a chick I rejected in high school two years ago who was a solid 9/10, approached me first, which I ended up fumbling.
Combine that and literally never going out, and you’ll understand why. Still haven’t kissed a chick either. I’ve just been living on monk mode for 19 years. No interaction with women, just lifting, and working with my head down.
Thanks for the advice though. My body fat is too high for body pics at the moment, so I’m trying to slim down as much as I can.
Ahhh I feel that man, don't feel bad though, almost everyone was stupid in hs. I fucked up with soo many girls in hs, thinking of what could have been is depressing af :/ Best not to dwell though, nothing good can be gained from it.
Yeah, same man. Hate going out. Only do it to hang with close friends or girls. My social circle is small af, but prefer it that way.
I mean I guess just do what I did, force yourself to be more social for a bit and you'll pick up some skill. Talk to a lot of girls, it's a numbers game with this stuff. Even when you get decent at it it's still a crapshoot. College is way easier though, you'll have opportunities just fall into your lap there probably.
You want the results of going out without ever having to go out, you should probably evaluate this incongruence in expections vs what you're willing to do
It’s complicated because I’m willing to go out, but it’s definitely not going to be solo. This wound runs much deeper because first things first I need a circle to actually do shit with. At least I have university soon
This is a cope. You're on copium. I go out solo all the time, I have made both guy and girl friends doing this and now when I got to those venues I always have a circle to fall into.
And still get dates that way.
Even so, you could go hiking etc, go to cool venues etc for tinder and if you have the balls to suffer possible embarrassment for a couple of seconds, ask a nearby stranger for a quick photo of you doing something there. Just know what you want already so that the random isn't coming up with ideas for you
Alternatively, you not having friends is a manifestation of you not willing to go out alone. Unless you are around giga extroverts that are going to seek you out, you're not going to get a circle by doing nothing
You need to stop ingesting copium into your bloodstream and get out and do stuff. These are all excuses
You should be rolling in pussy. It's hard for introverts, but you might have to just force yourself to go out. Just try and find quieter places so you don't want to kill yourself. And try to look like you're actually enjoying yourself lol.
It's all about understanding how you're perceived, and then owning it. You're obviously not a show-off, but you need to find a way to show something off. Know what I mean? Women are extremely shallow so it has to be simple and obvious. But it's gotta be real or they'll sniff you out in 2 seconds flat. The quiet introverted guys are perceived as smart, so play up to this stereotype. Maybe even bring a book with you to some quiet-ish bar and be that poseur in the corner reading at the bar. Doesn't matter how obvious it is you want to be seen reading this specific book, It'll get people coming up to you. Now you've got a conversation starter about a subject you care about, and you don't have to drain all your energy putting on a persona - which they will sniff out anyway.
I think of it like pro-wrestling. The best gimmicks are the ones that are hyper-exaggerations of some aspect of the guys personality. Find your gimmick.
Honestly man, I was thinking of just adapting an Andrew Tate style personality; confident but not nearly as arrogant as him. Just play into that stereotype. Thanks for the suggestions though.
Keep the white T pic, the car, and maybe the selfie in black jacket for now.
Facially you look very good, grooming and hair is looking fine. Clothes ok. You're gonna be drowning in pussy in some years if you want to.
Social proof is important, moreso for girls your age. Get a couple friends in a pic who are smaller. Get an action shot and when your BF% is low and you have some good abs you should throw in a shirtless pic.
Get your diet in order and keep working out. I recommend downloading the app myfitnesspal, setting your goal to lose the minimum amount of weight per week, then tracking protein and calorie intake. For some months at least, until you know what you're doing. Daily protein intake should be 0,9 grams per lb bodyweight.
Main issue for you right now is that you dont look like you get laid a lot. Subtle but noticable awkwardness that girls pick up on. Keep reading RP sidebar and implement.
Thanks dude. The car seems to be a controversial one, so I’m getting rid of it.
Social proof is important I agree, I have some photos where I’m out with friends but they look like shit, you think it’s worth dropping those in the meantime?
I’ve been lifting pretty consistently about a year now, hopped off a few months ago but got back in it. I genuinely feel like I’ve absorbed the entire sidebar at this point but never have I actually put it to use in real life, and it’s a little sad that my photos pick up on it.
You have tons of time. With constant development you will hit your prime in your thirties.
I would not add those bad photos.
If i were you i would forget about tinder until i had better pics, and focus on finding some hobbies. I recommend brazilian jiu jitsu, mma or some other realistic martial art. Every man should know the basics of fighting.
Try to get to 10% BF.
Start cold approaching/daygame if you're not into night game. Re-read an article on game and then go out and try that until you understand it. Anything less is pure mental masturbation.
Thanks homie. I am actually a kick-boxer right now, I go about two or three days a week. I did karate for 7 years and got my black belt, so I’m a decent fighter overall. Did jiu jitsu for a year but retained no knowledge, lol.
10% BF has been the struggle though. I’ve been trying for over a year and losing weight is impossible. I’m 6’0 and hovering around the 180-185 mark for a while now. I guess the obvious answer is to just eat less.
Good. Get a spectator to shoot photos of you doing some light sparring, no helmet. Lots of pics from several sessions so you can pick a few good ones to try.
guess the obvious answer is to just eat less.
Yup, but with a high protein intake. If u dont reduce calories gradually and track intake you wont know how you're doing, and probably feel like shit. It gets better though, and its worth the effort.
Gotcha. Yeah, don't worry, all I eat is chicken and protein bars. It's actually kind of unhealthy. I'm incredibly obsessive about physique and macros. I've logged pretty much the past year on myfitnesspal. Nothing goes unweighed and unlogged
Not too bad. Would expect to get some matches from it, but the results will speak for themselves.
Too many posed pics of u staring into the cam still. Would remove the one with you sitting in the chair with the beige jacket, too intense/awkward imo. Five pics is fine while you work on getting others. You dont need to always look in the camera, and you dont need a smile or a smirk.
What are those shoes bro? Get some white sneakers and some chelsea boots.
It seems to me like I am missing social proof, and possibly some action photos. Feels like there's no hobbies being portrayed here, but to be honest I don't leave the house much. Any advice would be appreciated. I am not getting many likes.
Welcome back, I 100% remember you, not that that's a bad thing at all
These photos look staged, they don't look organic. They look like you are putting on a show
shirtless photo should be at a pool or beach or sand volleyball or something
I said to get rid of the car photo last year. It's vain and shallow. It's not the flex you think it is to women. We agreed to disagree last time, perhaps you should ditch it this time though
The rest of the photos do not pull off any vibes that you're actually doing anything. They just look like someone or yourself is snapping a photo on purpose for tinder
Remember, these girls are looking for fun. They want to join you for fun shit. You are not portraying that you are actually doing anything at all besides being in front of a camera. They can tell that you took those photos for Tinder because they are unconvincing in any other contexts
Further, 3/5 of your interests are fucked. Shopping basketball and entrepreneurship, have zero appeal to 18 year old tinder hoes. They love shopping, they don't want you to love it though, not a Chad interest at all.
Your bio is also fucked. They will like that you kickbox, but what else are you offering? No serious woman plays basketball and Kanye has no relelavance to whether they'll fuck you or have fun with you
Add your height unless you're short AF by the way
Your bio is way too short and uninformative
Here's my bio, I've already gotten laid with it and some good engagement from matches:
"5' 11"
Interested in going on adventures and fun activities
Almost always up to try new things and see new places
Always doing something either indoors or outdoor, so I'm never bored"
Edit: you have the looks and build to be getting pussy
and you're demolishing your ability to acquire it by shooting yourself in the feet. I'm only being this blunt because I have given detailed tinder feedback before
to no avail
Hey dude, I remember you as well. You gave very good advice last time, thanks a million again. The photos ARE very artificial, so you nailed it almost perfectly.
The issue is, I clearly am trying to stage something that’s not actually there; no social proof and lack of hobbies outside my home.
I removed the car photo since the last time you helped me out, but ended up adding it back yesterday just to get some more thoughts.
As for bio, you’re absolutely correct, I just wanted to put something that makes me not two-dimensional and not very tryhardy, but I’ll definitely try out your way.
I guess the bottom line is, I need to take actual real photos where I’m doing shit, but the issue is I’m not actually doing any shit!
Oh okay, good, keep it removed, it's not good for tinder
I guess the bottom line is, I need to take actual real photos
Yes, almost all photos are staged. Sometimes you can get someone to snap one without you knowing etc (like while playing a sport etc) but it's hard. So most photos are of people standing still purposefully for a couple seconds for the camera.
The thing is though, you have actually go do stuff. Do actual activities in your life.
but the issue is I’m not actually doing any shit!
You need to, and that advice goes well beyond tinder. Let's say you do match with a girl, or even cold approach a girl and get her number. How are you going to have anything of substance to offer? Just inviting her over?
What I'm not understanding is your mentality regarding doing things. You need to have a life of substance and that you're not making a life of substance is such a profoundly deeper issue than tinder. You could have gotten laid in a year with your looks and income but you're not.
You need to have a life, I'd wager just having girls over is not going to last long if you're not engaging in other fun and interesting life activities
First pic you look like a serial killer with that side lighting on your face. I would hire a photographer if you have the money or a friend with a good camera but i think lighting is way more important so you can make it work with outdoor lighting and a tripod so maybe try hiking or just walking outside, go to the beach whatever. There is a dude who post tinder tips on YouTube he's Jewish or something he said how to take good pics. You're good looking mane, i remembered long time ago i opened a tinder account and didn't got matches until i posted a video smiling as main pic, i wasn't outdoors, just made it with good lighting. You can watch tinder swindler too lol. Alternatively you can try come to Mexico you would be a demi god here.
You have to think like a woman when creating these profiles. There's a series of photos that have to be put in there. You'll see this on every chick's profile. The first photo is always one that shows what men are attracted to: boobs, ass. So your first photo should show what women are attracted to: money, muscles, status, height. Look at the profile photo of the tinder swindler https://thefordhamram.com/84903/culture/the-con-man-of-the-hour-the-tinder-swindler/
Maybe you have to go to a luxury car dealer and take a photo there or whatever. Or a photo by the pool at the Hilton. Men are success objects to women. You're selling a lifestyle. A broke ass college student is not a good lifestyle. Here's some tips from tinder's most swiped-right man https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/1945023/tinder-most-swiped-right-man-guide-stefan-tomlin/
Anyway, your first photo looks like you're lifting your leg up to fart and the bottles in the background make you look like an alcoholic. Second photo looks like a druggie. Third photo looks like a baby face teenager. Fourth photo looks like a stalker. Fifth photo looks like Beavis and Butthead.
One thing that will really kill your matches is your age. You need to set your age to 3-7 years older than the women you want to get. So maybe 26 would help. Also you have to lie about your height. You will get filtered heavily if you put anything under 6'2". Web Designer isn't a high status job so make something up there. UX Developer sounds better.
Anyway, when I was your age and had a low SMV I would fuck cougars. Put your age range from 18-48 and swipe right on every profile. This offloads the work onto the women. If you match with a fattie you can just unmatch. You can get a boost in the algorithms by switching to guys. I get like a 90% match rate with guys, lol. Then switch back to gals and you get shown to gals who get lots of matches.
If you wouldn't mind helping out the manosphere it would be great if you could document what advice works and what doesn't and what results you get.
It’s a photo of me with my car. What you’re seeing as actually the EDITED tinder I created after this thread, I’m really interested in what you think of the initial photos. Such as these https://imgur.com/a/2uz3VsQ
Think of it like a woman. First of all, I can't see the make/model of the car so I can't look up the price and see if you're a broke ass dude driving a used Subaru or a rich dude driving a Mercedes AMG. Merely having a car impresses chicks in HS but after age 18 you're competing with the big boys.Guys like me who drive Mercedes, 4Runners, and Model As. Guys who've finished grad school, have careers, businesses, land, houses, etc.
As a man I'm impressed that you got free college, have reliable transportation, and participate in combat sports at such a young age. That doesn't mean jack to women though. The young ones want a bad boy. I suggest an action photo of you in a kickboxing match. That has bad boy written all over it. The old ones want a reliable supply of intra-vaginally absorbed semen and several hours of clitoral stimulation. So maybe a photo that conveys sexual availability combined with refined taste like a photo of you in a suit with an older gal at a cigar bar.
Switch cars. My mechanic says the bulk of his income comes from BMW work. He said he almost never sees my make/model/year of Mercedes. Trust me, that car will set you back financially but a Japanese or German car won't. BMW might seem German but it's 50% Chinese and they are money pits. I'd say Mercedes is a money pit too just because it takes premium gas and doesn't get good mpg like a Japanese car.
It’s relatively low mileage but I was planning on selling it in the future. Haven’t had many repairs the last three years but I’m sure there’s more to come haha
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NeoSpartan about a week ago
I feel like I'm experiencing some deja vu.
fumbor about a week ago
Lol, what's up man. Been a while.
NeoSpartan about a week ago
I guess my advice is probably the same as last time. Tinder is extremely shallow(though pretty much all OLD is shallow but tinder especially so) and all about fucking so show some skin. You got a good face but your poses could be better probably.
NeoSpartan about a week ago
Hahaha it was you lmao XD oh shit dude, how u been? I've been dating this one girl exclusively for like.. 6 months or something but uh, I feel like I've been kinda wasting my time with her so I'm getting back into it now.
fumbor about a week ago
That's awesome man, congrats. Looks like you got it figured out. Why do you feel you're wasting your time with her? Not LTR material?
As for me, I've had some ups and downs, stopped lifting because I'm a pussy, and trying to get back in the right mindset for life. I'm starting university next month.
NeoSpartan about a week ago
Yeah.. she's cool and all I just can't see myself in the long term with her ya know?
Ahhh, well it's not for everyone I suppose. Congrats on uni tho! You are a good looking dude tho, probably better face than me and definitely better height. You should be able to get girls pretty easily if you try. Maybe not on tinder, idk. Other apps don't even let you post shirtless pics so maybe give them a try or do some daygame or nightclubs.
Probably don't need to if you're starting university tho, should be pretty easy to meet girls in your classes.
EliteAlpha about a week ago
dam life on easy mode.
fumbor about a week ago
sure doesnt feel that way unfortunately.
TheRedPike about a week ago
As I understand it you are better off with pictures of you doing stuff, rather than what appears to be a staged photo shoot. It just rings fake to them. The picture with the friend is a keeper though.
EliteAlpha about a week ago
youd get heaps of matches? no?
fumbor about a week ago
nope, that's why i'm asking the forum for advice; i've got a nice car, college paid off, lift, but still can't lose my virginity. LOL
NeoSpartan about a week ago
Oh shit, you're a virgin? Hmmm.. maybe that's why. Also, I noticed you don't have any sexual themed pics. You gotta not be afraid to push a little bit and escalate man, I think what you might be missing is the realization that girls like sex just as much as we do. They might like it even more, judging by the noises and faces they make sometimes. I only make noises at the fucking end I think, but they're like moaning and shit throughout so.. I wonder sometimes..
fumbor about a week ago
Yeah man. It just seems to boil down to lack of social skills (even though I am trying my best) and extremely high standards. I still have oneitis for a chick I rejected in high school two years ago who was a solid 9/10, approached me first, which I ended up fumbling.
Combine that and literally never going out, and you’ll understand why. Still haven’t kissed a chick either. I’ve just been living on monk mode for 19 years. No interaction with women, just lifting, and working with my head down.
Thanks for the advice though. My body fat is too high for body pics at the moment, so I’m trying to slim down as much as I can.
EliteAlpha about a week ago
what country are you in ? you'd slay so easily in america
fumbor about a week ago
Live in Canada
NeoSpartan about a week ago
Ahhh I feel that man, don't feel bad though, almost everyone was stupid in hs. I fucked up with soo many girls in hs, thinking of what could have been is depressing af :/ Best not to dwell though, nothing good can be gained from it.
Yeah, same man. Hate going out. Only do it to hang with close friends or girls. My social circle is small af, but prefer it that way.
I mean I guess just do what I did, force yourself to be more social for a bit and you'll pick up some skill. Talk to a lot of girls, it's a numbers game with this stuff. Even when you get decent at it it's still a crapshoot. College is way easier though, you'll have opportunities just fall into your lap there probably.
fumbor about a week ago
Sounds good dude, I seriously appreciate your advice. I’ll make sure to try and put myself out there next month. I’ll let you know how it goes :-)
NeoSpartan about a week ago
Sure thing, I hope it helps. Good luck dude.
EliteAlpha about a week ago
thats insane. Are you trolling? you look like a chad.
fumbor about a week ago
Nope not trolling. Never been on a date, no interaction with women really. Just work and lift. I also hate going out.
Vermillion-Rx about a week ago
You want the results of going out without ever having to go out, you should probably evaluate this incongruence in expections vs what you're willing to do
fumbor about a week ago
It’s complicated because I’m willing to go out, but it’s definitely not going to be solo. This wound runs much deeper because first things first I need a circle to actually do shit with. At least I have university soon
Vermillion-Rx about a week ago
This is a cope. You're on copium. I go out solo all the time, I have made both guy and girl friends doing this and now when I got to those venues I always have a circle to fall into.
And still get dates that way.
Even so, you could go hiking etc, go to cool venues etc for tinder and if you have the balls to suffer possible embarrassment for a couple of seconds, ask a nearby stranger for a quick photo of you doing something there. Just know what you want already so that the random isn't coming up with ideas for you
Alternatively, you not having friends is a manifestation of you not willing to go out alone. Unless you are around giga extroverts that are going to seek you out, you're not going to get a circle by doing nothing
You need to stop ingesting copium into your bloodstream and get out and do stuff. These are all excuses
ChadBigly about a week ago
You should be rolling in pussy. It's hard for introverts, but you might have to just force yourself to go out. Just try and find quieter places so you don't want to kill yourself. And try to look like you're actually enjoying yourself lol.
fumbor about a week ago
Honestly I just want to put on a persona when I go out, because there’s absolutely no way my real self will enjoy going out.
ChadBigly about a week ago
It's all about understanding how you're perceived, and then owning it. You're obviously not a show-off, but you need to find a way to show something off. Know what I mean? Women are extremely shallow so it has to be simple and obvious. But it's gotta be real or they'll sniff you out in 2 seconds flat. The quiet introverted guys are perceived as smart, so play up to this stereotype. Maybe even bring a book with you to some quiet-ish bar and be that poseur in the corner reading at the bar. Doesn't matter how obvious it is you want to be seen reading this specific book, It'll get people coming up to you. Now you've got a conversation starter about a subject you care about, and you don't have to drain all your energy putting on a persona - which they will sniff out anyway.
I think of it like pro-wrestling. The best gimmicks are the ones that are hyper-exaggerations of some aspect of the guys personality. Find your gimmick.
fumbor about a week ago
Honestly man, I was thinking of just adapting an Andrew Tate style personality; confident but not nearly as arrogant as him. Just play into that stereotype. Thanks for the suggestions though.
coolsocks00 about a week ago
Keep the white T pic, the car, and maybe the selfie in black jacket for now.
Facially you look very good, grooming and hair is looking fine. Clothes ok. You're gonna be drowning in pussy in some years if you want to.
Social proof is important, moreso for girls your age. Get a couple friends in a pic who are smaller. Get an action shot and when your BF% is low and you have some good abs you should throw in a shirtless pic.
Get your diet in order and keep working out. I recommend downloading the app myfitnesspal, setting your goal to lose the minimum amount of weight per week, then tracking protein and calorie intake. For some months at least, until you know what you're doing. Daily protein intake should be 0,9 grams per lb bodyweight.
Main issue for you right now is that you dont look like you get laid a lot. Subtle but noticable awkwardness that girls pick up on. Keep reading RP sidebar and implement.
fumbor about a week ago
Thanks dude. The car seems to be a controversial one, so I’m getting rid of it.
Social proof is important I agree, I have some photos where I’m out with friends but they look like shit, you think it’s worth dropping those in the meantime?
I’ve been lifting pretty consistently about a year now, hopped off a few months ago but got back in it. I genuinely feel like I’ve absorbed the entire sidebar at this point but never have I actually put it to use in real life, and it’s a little sad that my photos pick up on it.
coolsocks00 about a week ago
You have tons of time. With constant development you will hit your prime in your thirties.
I would not add those bad photos.
If i were you i would forget about tinder until i had better pics, and focus on finding some hobbies. I recommend brazilian jiu jitsu, mma or some other realistic martial art. Every man should know the basics of fighting.
Try to get to 10% BF.
Start cold approaching/daygame if you're not into night game. Re-read an article on game and then go out and try that until you understand it. Anything less is pure mental masturbation.
fumbor about a week ago
Thanks homie. I am actually a kick-boxer right now, I go about two or three days a week. I did karate for 7 years and got my black belt, so I’m a decent fighter overall. Did jiu jitsu for a year but retained no knowledge, lol.
10% BF has been the struggle though. I’ve been trying for over a year and losing weight is impossible. I’m 6’0 and hovering around the 180-185 mark for a while now. I guess the obvious answer is to just eat less.
whytehorse2021 about a week ago
Oh shit there you go. Get a photo of you kickboxing. That covers the muscle photo and locks in protector status.
coolsocks00 about a week ago
Good. Get a spectator to shoot photos of you doing some light sparring, no helmet. Lots of pics from several sessions so you can pick a few good ones to try.
Yup, but with a high protein intake. If u dont reduce calories gradually and track intake you wont know how you're doing, and probably feel like shit. It gets better though, and its worth the effort.
fumbor about a week ago
Gotcha. Yeah, don't worry, all I eat is chicken and protein bars. It's actually kind of unhealthy. I'm incredibly obsessive about physique and macros. I've logged pretty much the past year on myfitnesspal. Nothing goes unweighed and unlogged
coolsocks00 about a week ago
Time to look the part bro
fumbor about a week ago
I just spent all night taking some new photos. Check out my profile
coolsocks00 6 days ago
Not too bad. Would expect to get some matches from it, but the results will speak for themselves.
Too many posed pics of u staring into the cam still. Would remove the one with you sitting in the chair with the beige jacket, too intense/awkward imo. Five pics is fine while you work on getting others. You dont need to always look in the camera, and you dont need a smile or a smirk.
What are those shoes bro? Get some white sneakers and some chelsea boots.
Vermillion-Rx about a week ago
Welcome back, I 100% remember you, not that that's a bad thing at all
These photos look staged, they don't look organic. They look like you are putting on a show
shirtless photo should be at a pool or beach or sand volleyball or something
I said to get rid of the car photo last year. It's vain and shallow. It's not the flex you think it is to women. We agreed to disagree last time, perhaps you should ditch it this time though
The rest of the photos do not pull off any vibes that you're actually doing anything. They just look like someone or yourself is snapping a photo on purpose for tinder
Remember, these girls are looking for fun. They want to join you for fun shit. You are not portraying that you are actually doing anything at all besides being in front of a camera. They can tell that you took those photos for Tinder because they are unconvincing in any other contexts
Further, 3/5 of your interests are fucked. Shopping basketball and entrepreneurship, have zero appeal to 18 year old tinder hoes. They love shopping, they don't want you to love it though, not a Chad interest at all.
Your bio is also fucked. They will like that you kickbox, but what else are you offering? No serious woman plays basketball and Kanye has no relelavance to whether they'll fuck you or have fun with you
Add your height unless you're short AF by the way
Your bio is way too short and uninformative
Here's my bio, I've already gotten laid with it and some good engagement from matches:
"5' 11"
Interested in going on adventures and fun activities
Almost always up to try new things and see new places
Always doing something either indoors or outdoor, so I'm never bored"
Edit: you have the looks and build to be getting pussy and you're demolishing your ability to acquire it by shooting yourself in the feet. I'm only being this blunt because I have given detailed tinder feedback before to no avail
fumbor about a week ago
Hey dude, I remember you as well. You gave very good advice last time, thanks a million again. The photos ARE very artificial, so you nailed it almost perfectly.
The issue is, I clearly am trying to stage something that’s not actually there; no social proof and lack of hobbies outside my home.
I removed the car photo since the last time you helped me out, but ended up adding it back yesterday just to get some more thoughts.
As for bio, you’re absolutely correct, I just wanted to put something that makes me not two-dimensional and not very tryhardy, but I’ll definitely try out your way.
I guess the bottom line is, I need to take actual real photos where I’m doing shit, but the issue is I’m not actually doing any shit!
Vermillion-Rx about a week ago
No problem man.
Oh okay, good, keep it removed, it's not good for tinder
Yes, almost all photos are staged. Sometimes you can get someone to snap one without you knowing etc (like while playing a sport etc) but it's hard. So most photos are of people standing still purposefully for a couple seconds for the camera.
The thing is though, you have actually go do stuff. Do actual activities in your life.
You need to, and that advice goes well beyond tinder. Let's say you do match with a girl, or even cold approach a girl and get her number. How are you going to have anything of substance to offer? Just inviting her over?
What I'm not understanding is your mentality regarding doing things. You need to have a life of substance and that you're not making a life of substance is such a profoundly deeper issue than tinder. You could have gotten laid in a year with your looks and income but you're not.
You need to have a life, I'd wager just having girls over is not going to last long if you're not engaging in other fun and interesting life activities
whytehorse2021 about a week ago
Fake it till you make it. If you're in CA there are tons of outdoor places to take amazing shots like Stanley Park.
delesseyM about a week ago
First pic you look like a serial killer with that side lighting on your face. I would hire a photographer if you have the money or a friend with a good camera but i think lighting is way more important so you can make it work with outdoor lighting and a tripod so maybe try hiking or just walking outside, go to the beach whatever. There is a dude who post tinder tips on YouTube he's Jewish or something he said how to take good pics. You're good looking mane, i remembered long time ago i opened a tinder account and didn't got matches until i posted a video smiling as main pic, i wasn't outdoors, just made it with good lighting. You can watch tinder swindler too lol. Alternatively you can try come to Mexico you would be a demi god here.
fumbor about a week ago
Yeah the lighting is shit unfortunately
whytehorse2021 about a week ago
You have to think like a woman when creating these profiles. There's a series of photos that have to be put in there. You'll see this on every chick's profile. The first photo is always one that shows what men are attracted to: boobs, ass. So your first photo should show what women are attracted to: money, muscles, status, height. Look at the profile photo of the tinder swindler https://thefordhamram.com/84903/culture/the-con-man-of-the-hour-the-tinder-swindler/
Maybe you have to go to a luxury car dealer and take a photo there or whatever. Or a photo by the pool at the Hilton. Men are success objects to women. You're selling a lifestyle. A broke ass college student is not a good lifestyle. Here's some tips from tinder's most swiped-right man https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/1945023/tinder-most-swiped-right-man-guide-stefan-tomlin/
Anyway, your first photo looks like you're lifting your leg up to fart and the bottles in the background make you look like an alcoholic. Second photo looks like a druggie. Third photo looks like a baby face teenager. Fourth photo looks like a stalker. Fifth photo looks like Beavis and Butthead.
One thing that will really kill your matches is your age. You need to set your age to 3-7 years older than the women you want to get. So maybe 26 would help. Also you have to lie about your height. You will get filtered heavily if you put anything under 6'2". Web Designer isn't a high status job so make something up there. UX Developer sounds better.
Anyway, when I was your age and had a low SMV I would fuck cougars. Put your age range from 18-48 and swipe right on every profile. This offloads the work onto the women. If you match with a fattie you can just unmatch. You can get a boost in the algorithms by switching to guys. I get like a 90% match rate with guys, lol. Then switch back to gals and you get shown to gals who get lots of matches.
If you wouldn't mind helping out the manosphere it would be great if you could document what advice works and what doesn't and what results you get.
fumbor about a week ago
Thanks for the advice. There’s a photo people here have mixed feelings about; https://imgur.com/a/sXdD9ly
It’s a photo of me with my car. What you’re seeing as actually the EDITED tinder I created after this thread, I’m really interested in what you think of the initial photos. Such as these https://imgur.com/a/2uz3VsQ
whytehorse2021 about a week ago
Think of it like a woman. First of all, I can't see the make/model of the car so I can't look up the price and see if you're a broke ass dude driving a used Subaru or a rich dude driving a Mercedes AMG. Merely having a car impresses chicks in HS but after age 18 you're competing with the big boys.Guys like me who drive Mercedes, 4Runners, and Model As. Guys who've finished grad school, have careers, businesses, land, houses, etc.
As a man I'm impressed that you got free college, have reliable transportation, and participate in combat sports at such a young age. That doesn't mean jack to women though. The young ones want a bad boy. I suggest an action photo of you in a kickboxing match. That has bad boy written all over it. The old ones want a reliable supply of intra-vaginally absorbed semen and several hours of clitoral stimulation. So maybe a photo that conveys sexual availability combined with refined taste like a photo of you in a suit with an older gal at a cigar bar.
fumbor about a week ago
Check out my updated profile. I went extensively through Mr. Tinder (what an awesome name, lol) and I'm trying to replicate his photos. What do you think about that? I get there's an underlying issue here and that I actually need to go out, but I'm trying to patch up some holes in the meantime. I'm going to take photos like these https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/NINTCHDBPICT000509727113.jpg and https://scontent.fyyc8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/117106122_2607078499557798_5487248805331862687_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=973b4a&_nc_ohc=PR6SITgW5UIAX_XYlh3&_nc_ht=scontent.fyyc8-1.fna&oh=00_AT_8IbS7V9fT6heTCdVKD7JzrNtvPPqrHewncwPETVl1Sw&oe=6313A214 very soon.
whytehorse2021 6 days ago
Yeah you'll figure it out. There;s what we think as men but it's all about what women think.
fumbor about a week ago
Thanks man. It’s a small bmw x1, pretty great car I’ve had for a few years now.
I’ll try and take a few photos more in line with what you had in mind
whytehorse2021 6 days ago
Switch cars. My mechanic says the bulk of his income comes from BMW work. He said he almost never sees my make/model/year of Mercedes. Trust me, that car will set you back financially but a Japanese or German car won't. BMW might seem German but it's 50% Chinese and they are money pits. I'd say Mercedes is a money pit too just because it takes premium gas and doesn't get good mpg like a Japanese car.
fumbor 6 days ago
It’s relatively low mileage but I was planning on selling it in the future. Haven’t had many repairs the last three years but I’m sure there’s more to come haha
No-Stress-Cat about a week ago
Good looking dude. (nohomo).
fumbor about a week ago
Thanks dude. It's still hard as fuck out here. I feel like I'm above average but still struggling a lot