If you read Models by Mark Manson you would know that being honest and setting your boundaries accordingly is a great thing. Being manipulative is actually something rather feminine. Not sending a girl 10 simping texts a day is not "being manipulative".

I don't understand where you got manipulative and controlling... it sounds like what obtuse feminists would say when they hear of pick up. I assume you mean by manipulative - standing your ground for what you want and don't want knowing she will buckle. and knowing you will leave if she doesn't. And by controlling I assume you mean stuff like - not letting the woman that you got in a relationship with have toxic friends that poinson her mind against you and take her out to get her drunk and flirt with men.

Would you be honest with a child?

Assuming you aren't a progressive young love advocate - I hope your answer is no.

Same thing goes with women. But until you get a girl to look at your like you're the best thing since apple-pie- it's hard to understand this. Essentially if you want to do good, to give a girl a good time, the best time often enough since all the arseholes she probably met are losers that only flex their masculinity - you understand that playing the game is actually a kindness.

Women are told they can do anything, and are allowed to do anything - expecting no judgement. You can not be a adult human like that. Therefor -- for their own good as well as yours - you don't let her turn the relationship in a dynamic where she doesn't respect you. Where she doesn't know what pleases you, and how she can seduce you. Where she takes you for granted and gets bored because she feels she doesn't have to fight for her queenship.

Normally, her grandma should have told her that. Normally she would have seen how her mother loves her dad. And the women that have that, that know that - we would never force in a frame. But when a good woman, genuinely would like to try to be good, but then brings on Angie the self important 32 girl boss that has probably though of paying men for sex within the last year - you are irresponsible if you don't draw a hard line. No being controlling and is the same as letting your kid play next to traffic to give them "autonomy" or not distress them with arbitrary rules.

Being controlling doesn't give you the outcome you're looking for.

Being outcome independent is the key.