Has anyone noticed this dynamic. Almost every beta i know takes pride in fingering or eating a girl out, "giving her 3 orgasms" before he "gets his" its his priority! "If I get off and she doesnt then i failed as a man" I see this sentiment all over reddit and just general bluepill communities.
And then every alpha fantasy from a girls perspective is her pleasing the alpha. Basically through oral or pure dominant fucking, rarely ever do they mention cumming per se, its more about the dominating experience.
I understand that dominant fucking is putting her pleasure first, because girls CRAVE being fucked rough by a strong man. But how does that compare to the actual Clitoral Orgasm she will be receiving from her weak beta man who is decent with his tongue game but probably not fucking her like an alpha?
Thoughts?
Adeptintact1 4y ago
I disagree to a certain extent. In an LTR, even if you are alpha but you can't fuck her good or pleasure her, she will get tired of you.
I'm good at sex and my wife always has 3-5 orgasms each session, mainly all through PIV not oral. She wants it more than me daily as a result. I don't call that beta. I call it fucking her like a champ.
From the 16 commandments of poon.... XIV. Fuck her good Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.
grilledcheesaroo 4y ago
Small PP theory.
Little dicks will box you into becoming a Beta boy like none other. All the stuff you said are parroted by guys with small cocks, and women telling guys what to do when their dick is small. It's compensation for having a little dick. This leads to even worse things like feeling less of a man and, in return, thinking less like a man. Then, to protect yourself, you start believing in all sorts of bullshit just to stay happy which makes you bluepilled. Better than getting depressed from reality.
When you have a big dick, the only way you don't become an Alpha is if you have negative 50 IQ points. Imagine not being an Alpha with the amount of confidence you get every time you whip out your donger and a girl not only looks shocked but blabbers off to her friends and they all look at you with wanting eyes. Then you look at the culture of Bulls / cucking (the most blatant AFBB), size mattering, porn dicks etc. and you cannot help but get Red Pilled from experience.
There are minority edge cases in both groups as every group will have an outlier but generally speaking that is how it goes, at least that is my theory. I think the rest of the comments are wacky nonsense; it's all about looks and dick size. Bluepill is denying reality; why would you deny reality if life is good?
RedPill115 4y ago
It's called a dualistic mating strategy where girls pursue 2 different routes, of sleeping with the alpha short term, while tying down a beta long term.
In my experience there's 3 types of guys who say this:
He wants to please her on every level and never gets laid except that one time when someone else pissed her off and he was around.
He employs his own dualistic strategy where he tries to please her on one level, while she tries to please him on a different level where she's always trying and it's hard to do.
Vermillion-Rx Admin 4y ago
I think this is highly circumstantial.
I mean I get your point, I've seen beta posts like that before. But I strongly believe this is a classic "all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares"
All betas seem to want to please their girl to no end without fucking well and being dominant, but not all alphas that please their woman are beta.
I don't know what anyone else's experience with this is, but anecdotally I've given girls both sex and finger orgasms and in a lot of cases fingering the G-spot and clit action got them hooked.
I think it really depends on the guy, not the action. I've played guitar for about 15 years so maybe that makes a difference with fingering. I have no clue, but I haven't seen what you posted about make me appear beta to these girls when I've done it
Edit: Maybe I've incidentally gotten lucky with how girls react to it, I really don't know. But that would suggest doing so doesn't gaurantee a beta image
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Pedal_Moonpower 4y ago
And their faces look like surprised gollum
Every time I read fingering, Im trying to recreatein my head one.hand spontaneous combination when at the same time I was fingering ass and G-pussy with clit rubbing action and it didn't tire hand for 15min
francthegreat 4y ago
this is where i think alot of guys get confused. there’s a difference between what you think an alpha acts like and her actually seeing you as alpha. if she sees you this way she literally doesn’t care if she cums because her every thought is consumed with you. it's literally your choice if she cums or not. and if she knows her body well enough she’ll get there happily on her own
SgtBuchannon99 4y ago
Your answer is logical but doesnt really answer the question. If you are viewed as her "alpha" and please her with fingers/oral until she cums, does she view you as pure alpha as Swole Chad who blew who tied her up blew her back out and facefucked her?
Logically we believe it ADDS value, if she cums from oral per se then it should not be a negative. But girls are backwards and not logical like us. In the same way you can give a girl money to help her out, which logically adds value to her life, it actually decreases your value because you put yourself in a beta provider box.
I know this is theroetical but i often hear women hinting that guys that eat them out and finger them are beneath them, but they are a small minority. Theres a loud majority that say they love it. There are just too many connections to it being an inherently submissive behavior, which women admit if you get them to talk about it long enough and if you ask the right questions.
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mattyanon Admin 4y ago
Yep. Women are pleased to be fucking an attractive guy.
Yep
It's not putting her first if YOU want to do it.
Who cares, look at the type of men they can't stop seeing.
SgtBuchannon99 4y ago
How do women truly know if we are doing it because we want to, and its not to please them?
I am a firm believer that women can just read the context with their intuition, but how can you be 100% sure? Something seems 'off' about verbalizing it, unless its done in dirty talk.
mattyanon Admin 4y ago
shit tests
It's surprisingly hard to fool their "intuition", but equally that intuition isn't some amazing thing. Men give out far more clues than women do, which makes their job amazingly easy.
"Female intuition" is just flattering women..... the reality is that men are more straightforward and honest in the signals we give out.
You can beat female intuition easily if you just observe what's happening and look at all the subconscious little clues people give off. They really aren't that sharp at this stuff, they've just been trained on relatively honest men, whereas men try to understand women from a long history of the lies and flattery about women they received from their mothers since birth, resulting in "women are so complicated" rather than "women are hypergamous and dishonest".
Who the fuck cares... if you're generally doing what YOU want, then you won't care what she thinks.
If you really care what she thinks, you're in the beta category and she knows it.