For some reason, with this girl it really bothers me that she's been around in that way.

It should. High partner count = poor pair bonding.

Women don't respect second best. Are you the best lover she's ever had? Biggest cock? Longest lasting? Most exciting? Tallest? Are you better than all of them in every single way?

If not, she doesn't respect and admire you.

I don't know if its jealousy, insecurity, or just natural for me to feel this way.

It is entirely 100% natural.

I'm gonna be real with you on both ends...

I've been with this girl for several months now

Okay so she's still playing the role you want her to be. I.E. She's playing the representative part.

Totally compatible with me more than anyone else has been when it comes to political views, life goals, and sexually as well.

Sexually speaking cool, a girl that is a slut to a trad con will have two bodies. A slut to a modern man might be more than 20. Though her age matters here because she can be lying not only to you but herself and believe her own lie. That's women.

However, she has been open with me about her past and she has a relatively high body count relative to me, and other girls I have been with.

For some reason, with this girl it really bothers me that she's been around in that way.

Serveeral months is for you to judge the girl on who she is. Not the whole "oh shit she's been cool with me for 5 months she's gotta be the one."

You have your own judgments that is the point of vetting for her to tell you what the deal is. It's manipulation yes, everybody does it.

You described 0 mother qualities since that is what you want. Not because she has a high body count compared to you.

30 is a no...its understandable to want to discount her past because she seems perfect but when it comes to loyalty and setting a good example for any children you might produce with her she won’t be a good role model.

also important to consider....

with that many bodies she could possibly be looking at you as the “settle down guy” she’s clearly been around and may be looking to check out.Her perception of you is important if you’re considering ltr. many men will tell you the minute they commit to someone like this is when you could start to see her true colors.ultimately it’s up to you, but a Body count like that at her age is a huge red flag that you should not ignore.

Almost ALL women have been with more people than you. This is one reason why you don't marry them anymore. The more like a guy they are the less interested you should be.

If she's not making same or more money than you, she's not LTR material in the western world.

Given her past, I say do NOT have a kid with her (cant turn a hoe into housewife). She has a very high chance of fucking this up and you and the kid gonna be miserable

Get out now, don't play with your gut feelings trying to check boxes off a list. You said 30 bodies?

1) Assume all women lie about past. If she was "open" with you, you got a sample of what she actually did, a sample of # of guys, a sample of what type of sex. There's always more. I'm old, I've heard so many things that are crazy from women, sex with a condom doesn't count,etc. The hamster is strong my friend.

2) like others here say, you need 2 years to really see a person, you need to see them in different situations, bad days, under pressure,etc. People can fake personality for a good amount of time.

3) You don't mention the landscape, does she have a good job, do you? Is your financial situation a lot better than hers? In short, are you the provider she's been looking for? Done with the bad boyz, need a provider now?

Kids, that's a whole new landscape. Would someone stay home with kids? Daycare? share the expenses? What state you live in, look at the divorce/customer laws and landscape. For example in North East USA, you will be destroyed if either of you decide to split. She'll get alimony and palimony until after college and you'll be forced to pay for college, you don't have a choice. It's crazy.

Talk to a lawyer for professional advice, I'm serious.

4) it's natural for you to not like her past, if you have strong feelings/love. Men developed that way just like women want an alpha protector. It bothers some more than others.

It's not 'insecurity', we find sluts repulsive and so we should do. You need to think about this in terms of will she be a good mother to my children - if the answer is no then give her the boot.

Now to the non-generic advice:

1. Why are you thinking about choosing the mother of your children after only MONTHS - you haven't given her enough time to make mistakes yet. Wait YEARS and watch her like a hawk for whore behaviors and bullshit. You are probably still in the honeymoon phase so get some perspective.
2. Women will adopt your political views if they value you and your opinions. Have a strong frame and this won't be news to you. It's nice not to be with an indoctrinated Trump Derangement Syndrome bitch though, normally if they really rate you they'll start to curb their bullshit.
3. In the modern era it is hard to find a decent woman. Her notch count is repulsive but if you can get past that and she proves herself over time as a worthy mother figure to your legacy then she might be worth sticking with. She needs time to prove herself to you though - you're the prize.

All the best chief.

Studies have shown that the probability of infidelity increases the more sexual partners an individual has. It’s up to you to do what you want with that information

It doesn't matter why you you feel the way you do about her sexual history.

The way you feel, won't go away. In fact, the more you emotionally invest in her, the worse it will get.

High body count statistically, means she is less likely to be happy in long term relationships, more likely to divorce, more likely to cheat.

Let me tell you, I'd be looking at many other things than just past promiscuity to determine if a girl is parent material.

• has she got a father?
• are her parents still together?
• does she frequently attention/ validation seek from social media?
• does she have tattoos/ piercings? (these can typically be an outward projection of past trauma)
• is she low in agreeableness and high in neuroticism? (this can indicate personality disorders)
• has she had a pleasant childhood? (from what she has told you)

These are just a few things I'd be looking for, but there are many others for marriage/ parent material. Notice, I focus on childhood/ parents more than anything, and that's for a good reason.

Promiscuity is usually the product of being raised without a father. It can also be triggered by trauma somewhere in her childhood. Promiscuous women also typically have tattoos, and like I say, this can be an indication of past trauma.

Promiscuity is certainly a red flag, and one I would not ignore. In my opinion, she is not mother material.

In any case, you stated you're both 24 & 25, so absolutely forget it for now. If you think a girl in her mid 20's whose slept with 30+ guys is ready for monogamy and kids (lol), you're barking up the wrong tree.

There’s some good shit in this thread. I won’t rehash all the same points and like you said, you must make this decision for yourself.

What I would encourage you to do is not make any rash decisions. Don’t delete this post like every other motherfucker who posts the same question and then deletes it like a bitch after he doesn’t get the answer he wants.

Instead, put yourself on a bare minimum of 6 months to 1 year waiting period. Keep a journal of your thoughts and refer back to this post periodically. Note if your feelings on this subject have changed or the answer is now clear. If so, why? If not, why?

After a “cooling off period” and some analysis, you will have your answer.

30? JFC. Why did you LTR her?

There's ZERO chance that she's not an alpha widow by now, or at least severely damaged.

Keep fucking her, but look for much higher quality for an LTR.

She could be a really nice and interesting person. The problem is that down the road you are going to resent her deep inside yourself for taking 30 cocks in her oriffices (or more) before you.

You are too young to have children in my opinion. You could enjoy yourself 10 or 12 more years and at that time, find a fresh and interesting 24 year old with perhaps a lower n-count to have children with.

You are just starting my man. Invest in yourself, enjoy your life, let your mind be more experienced and then settle down (if that's what you want).

I would not dump her though. I would still have a lot of fun, sex and experiences with her and let time run its course, without getting too attached.

Hard to say. In an ideal world, you should get rid of her and find another better one who has few previous partners. But there aren't that many great women out there, and it's hard to find someone you're genuinely compatible with.

That being said, don't be ridiculous. You don't know anything about your compatibility with her. Two months is nothing. You have to date a woman a minimum of a year, or perhaps two years or more to really vet her for thinking about marriage. There need to be lots of challenging events where you witness what her behavior is like when she's tired and stressed and scared and no longer quite so actively trying to impress you. Almost any woman can be an angel for two months.

I'm in the same situation. One of my plates has been the best plate I could think of. Not a single red flag, except one... at the start she told me how she used to have a 'wild' period back in her college days (she's 24 now).

This has been in the back of my mind for a while now. I had been thinking of upgrading her to LTR material but for some reason I can't. Exactly the same reason you mentioned... I know how you feel, man.

I doubt the feeling will ever go away. That's why I've decided not to upgrade her to a LTR. It'll eat me up long term.

How long have you been seeing this chick? That's crucial info you can't leave out.

I understand where you're coming from but if you have to ask internet strangers their opinions, then deep down you know what the answer has to be.

If it bothers you that much, that feeling is never going to go away. Been there done that. Once you get something like that in your head, it doesn't leave and you struggle with it.

May not be that deep of an issue for you, but from my experience, it isn't going to last. When I started having doubts about my LTR (and she was upfront about her past), they grew into resentment. Not a healthy way to deal with it.

The answer is no. She's a great gf, we'll both enjoy our time together, but i'll never get married with her. Make this your mantra Enjoy your turn and then let her go. No hard feelings.

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Have you never heard of the honeymoon period in a relationship aka the first few months? Your just viewing ever through a rose colored glass

I wouldn’t.

I will give best advice I can. Especially since I can notice you are young man trying hard...

Firstly both of you, are too young for having kids. Particularly you as man. I don't know where you came from, but 25 is young as fuck for a man. Your brains and bone density just finished growth. Testerone still pumping, raising up. You are in your golden years, what about you focus your energy on your personal goals. Am a father of 3. Raising up kids is hard. Is responsibility. Time commitment. I find time for some friends, but not for all of them anymore I can not just get drunk every Saturday and waste my Sundays. I can't sit on airplane and spent half a year in Vientam. Those days are gone. Once you have kids, your single days are gone. Totally freedom is gone.

Secondly not sure why you asked her for body count. I mean is not about a number, is how many alphas she had and how MUCH IT MATTERS TO HER (consciously and subconsciously). Does she have plenty of orgasms? Vaginal? How is her libido? Enjoy anal sex? How you girthy you are? Your stamina etc?

Women have high numbers of sexual partners for different reasons. Novelty, others are size queens or they are sexually complicated and get orgasms with every 10th guy. They can be insecure and need confirmation. A lot of girls have weak personality and simple can not say no etc

I mean is not about being her best. But better you are. At least gotta be high in that rank. If she had alpha guy for LTR... if she was all over him sexually and madly in love, and he dumped her... move on definitely. Hard to figure out those things.

Need to pay attention to details. Don't focus on number. Focus on details and get a big picture.

You gotta trust your isntict bro

You will put her above your mission, if you already haven't. So I am gonna assume she is max. 25 or something (if she is older, it is obvious why she suddenly changed and there is no point in your post) and that her slut years were 15-22. Even if she found religion, there is no way she changes and reconditiones herself that fast and suddenly becomes LTR material. If you emotionally invest any more in her to fullfil some void, it will fuck with your head. Invest emotionally into your mission/survival, not into sluts, not even "good" girls.

Dude stop trying to convince yourself. You’re nervous about tying the knot. Anyone with a RP mindset would be. But obviously you found a wonderful partner. Wife her up and give her some kids.

Dump her so I can pump her.

you're in the honeymoon phase (aka: new relaionship energy) you need to spend more time with her to know the real her. (i have 4 kids and a 20 yr ltr and I waited 4 yrs before making the decision you're contemplating) I was supposedly her 4th Notch, who knows, she divulged, I didn't ask. She's my 40+th, and doesn't know the number.

and i can tell you, that if you're insecure about this now, you will be more so later. as she spends time with personal trainers, other sports dads, kids' coaches, you see the insecure guys get really bothered by the wives/women flocking around the physical specimens in these situations. the "top 5%" sayings around here are more like the "top 1%" when guys hit their 40's and the catnip frenzy of the wives around real men who make them loathe their Frameless soft bodied BB loser at home is palpable. Can you stay hard? can you keep abundance mindset while in an LTR? The higher your n-count woman has the less likely she'll pair bond long term and the higher the chances of divorce.

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This seems like something that will eventually bother you. Instead of using emotions, I recommend you to write down the pros and cons of being with her. If the negatives outweigh the positives, then it’s time to move on.

If a promiscuous past is a dealbreaker, then a committed relationship is not the right decision. You owe no one anything. However, you need to make a decision so you do not waste your time and her time.

I just ended a similar situation, usually the promiscuity is a sign of a deeper problem. They might be able to hold it together for a good while but eventually she will unravel and show her true colors. In all situations trust your gut, you really can't make a ho a housewife no matter how hard you try, some people are just destined to be plates at best and should be enjoyed as such.

Trust your gut. If you genuinely believe based on the time you’ve spent with her that she is fully devoted to you and genuinely desires you, take things to the next level. Ultimately make sure that you are prepared with any decision you make because you never know when she could drop a bomb on you (like having done porn in the past or having been alpha widowed by another guy).

does it bother you becuz you worry about what other people think? or like becuz you read on TRP that it's gay to marry a girl who has had more partners than you?

or is it something that's coming purely from inside of yourself, that even if you forget about outside ideas and context that it's something you still can't shake off?

if it's the former, then who cares what other people think?

if it's the latter, and you don't think it's something you will be able to forget about, then you should think real hard if you'll be able to accept it in the long-term.

you gotta think about if this is the sort of thing that is gonna creep up on you when there are difficulties and disagreements in the relationship in the long-term. if your wife is giving you real grief and your mind immediately goes back to feeling like you shouldn't be taking shit from a slut, then imo you could have real problems in the relationship.

aside from other TRP reasons about girls and their pasts, "never marry" rhetoric, etc., imo that's what you should think about.

We, as men, really don't want to date women who were/are straight out whores. It's pretty much a biological thing, a women who is too "easy" would probably not make a good, stable partner/mother.

But the honest truth is, these days there are no normal women, in their 20s-30s, who haven't had multiple sexual partners unless they are the fucking crazy religious type, and those probably got fucked in the ass tons of times. Body counts vary from woman to woman, and every woman will obviously lie about her body count so it's a dumb thing to even ask or talk about with a woman. And anyways, do you even really wanna know how many other dicks were in her? And trust me, if there's anything you don't want, it is a woman who has had no other relationship/dicks before you - because she will really really not know what the fuck she wants in a guy or relationship and will be much more likely to experiment or cheat on you when possible.

If a girl can completely remain loyal to YOU while you are dating, regardless of the hardships that come with a LTR, including times of no sex, then no matter what her body count she's being good to you.

What I don't understand is why is she telling you her sexual history, unless you are constantly asking about it? If you brought it up, you're being a beta cuck bitch.

If she brought it up, she is trying to make you jealous and play with your emotions because women know men don't like that their woman has had previous partners. But there is a counter card you can play.

This card is for when you really wanna mentally fuck the head of a woman you're dating or in a LTR with. But use it sparingly and only when necessary, because this shit is like a nuclear bomb, last-resort type of thing.

Casually, without coming off too strong, bring up how much you emotionally "loved" a previous woman. Say shit like "It wasn't even the sex, her smile and laugh were so warm and I just fell deeply in love like a mindless dog, but oh well, the past is the past amirite?"

What are your ages? What’s the count she told you?

I’m only asking because that may be very relevant.

I think its natural for you to scrutinize her more than any woman before - you're looking for a wife and a good mother to your kids. If the previous girls were whores and slept around, it didn't matter, they were short term. But if you want a wife, you know deep down that her past is a big red flag.

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Another thing worth mentioning is you are in the middle of the honey moon phase of a relationship. A few months in everything is going to feel fresh and new, and love is gonna be in the air. She's going to be on her best behavior and she is going to be laying it down thick on you. This doesn't mean she isn't being genuine, it just means other red flags or negatives aren't going to show their head yet.

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If I was in your shoes, no matter how well we got along, it would probably be a no for me. All the commonalities in the world doesn't change that she will have trouble pair bonding. Say what you will, but a woman who has been around that much see's guys as replaceable, and is going to have a hard time settling down. Hell, she might stick around for a few years, but eventually things will get tough, and she'll start to reminisce on how she could just hop from one to guy another when she got bored, and the rest will be history...

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I could be completely wrong though.

Let me chime in. I dated a girl for 2.5 years. We were both 20 and her body count was 20 and mine was 2. This ate me to death every day causing massive anxiety. I found it repulsive but I did love her and had many amazing moments. Fast forward 3 years and now I have a body count of 20 and wouldn’t give two shits about a girl with a body count of 20. I think for a successful relationship you need to have a similar sexual past. Yours don’t match and never will. The feeling will never go away. I was in your exact shoes so pm if you want.

My advice: ride the relationship out, have fun, but never commit long term in your head or you’re pretty much doomed. She’s not the one, and it’s not because of her body count, but because of yours. Get laid more OP and this stuff won’t bother you.

That oneitis is deadly boy I tell ya.

"I've never felt this way about a girl before..."

If someone on this subreddit said this to you you'd tell them to stop acting retarded.

She's not special. Your "extremely compatible" bitch was a doorknob. Everybody got a turn.

That pussy is the community pool. We all dived in that shit.

That box was so used up I thought it was election time.

You get the picture.

The reason you feel this way is due to differences in investment. You're willing to invest in a bitch that's been passed around. You think she ain't treat Brad, Chad, and Demarcus like they were a God too?

Enjoy your turn and have fun but if the ghost of pussy past keeps haunting you then treat her like a plate.

Sounds like she is idealizing you tbh, first make sure she is not BPD and tread carefully, second make sure you control your own emotional attachment, because sooner or later she will stop idealizing you.

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I’m just curious: what political views do you and she share?

pass her to me bro.

but in all seriousness though, if you have to ask and make a thread on reddit, you probably already know the answer deep down, really sucks man. deep down, bluepill me that still exists from my childhood wanted to settle down with my first love, hopeful that we would be virgins and live happy lives together and die together. But she wasn't, and i gave myself to her, and now we don't even talk to each other anymore. 30 different people is a lot to me, that's cool if anyone else is happy with it, but me personally, i couldn't wife her, just couldn't.

If everything else is fine and you’re not just using this reason as a scapegoat, then yes you’re being insecure. I mean using it as the “real problem” when there’s other things you’ve pushed under the rug. Sounds to me like you guys have something good, so maybe focus instead on how you can look past this supposed fault of hers.

I’m in a similar spot, pm me we should learn from each other’s situations.

Tread lightly. That which makes her get along with you, will make her get along with any other guy.

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Previous partners increase the risk of divorce, and make a girl unable to form meaningful connections. For me, even a girl who has been sexual/even allowed and invited men to see her in a sexual way is not worth a long term relationship.

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Hard pass if it were me.

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Ita natural to feel this way. No one wants to thunk about and picture the multitude of guys your woman has been with and what they did. We are naturally territorial that way, and I also cannot handle seeing. Woman seriously with a high count.

There is something especially disturbing about it if she feels comfortable to open about it, like it's no big deal. If she was.mkre discreet, you would have been fine. She kind of ruined things by being open.

Then there's also the fact that having been so sexual with many others, it not likely that she will be able to pair bond with you.

Of course it's up to you....what kind of numbers are we talking about?