I want to explore why so many women are griping on social media that men aren’t embracing the “provider” role: https://www.forums.red/p/whereareallthegoodmen/325090/i_think_that_we_should_normalize_telling_men_that_they_are_n/7871708/
Certainly there’s men out there who still are doing so, but I commonly see on social media single women griping and shaming men (they physically desire) for not “manning up”. Here’s an explanation why:
First off, obviously, is that it’s tougher for men to live up to a provider role in the modern era due to the successes of feminism: They wanted to compete with men and they did by driving wages down. What was once a “choice”, women working for some side income for the family, is now increasingly a requirement to afford middle class living. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing (see previous posts on WATGMA).
I want to add, however, that an additional reason amusingly has to do with the strong, independent woman paradigm imprinting onto women who would otherwise NEED a protector/provider, lower class working women:
“Being a provider is the bare minimum”.
Well, sort of. When ANY woman has “her own money”, they act like it’s some huge accomplishment. “I don’t have to put up with crap from a man! I can pay for my own dinner!” She’s strong and powerful!
But yet, a man whose capable of paying his own bills and paying for his own dinner is “broke”. If he pays the bills, that’s the “bare minimum”… for him!
Since “women” CAN do these things, they cease to be impressive to them even as they WANT men to do them FOR HER. This goes not only for an executive career woman boss babe but also even a plump working class girl who worked at an ice cream shop I asked out back 40 years ago.
She was utterly not impressed by my professional bonafides (I wasn’t showing them off) but she was certainly aware of them via association since she was aware I was working as compSci staff. She judged me solely on my ability to be handsome and entertain her.
I suppose the ONLY thing it buys you is the “bare minimum” from them, yes?
If you’re not super hot, they’ll tolerate your presence. You’ll be permitted an audience while their obligations are like Ming’s wedding vows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2mAa21PSs
Which brings up the question, for men with self-esteem, why bother? Even worse, as we know, they put men on a beta-provider sex-thirst track if he over-provides. If he’s hot and doesn’t need to, also why bother?
Then there’s this great line by Jennifer Anniston’s character on Office Space? If doing “The bare minimum” is so bad, why not just make MORE the NEW “bare minimum?”
mattyanon 6d ago
No, it's worse than that.
PROVIDER BEHAVIOUR IS ACTUALLY A TURN OFF.
This is the dirty secret of female sexuality. Commitment and provisioning triggers "make him wait" feelings and ultimately kills her sex drive.
Women are hard wired to fuck exciting men.
Provisioning behaviour is associated with friends and family. Women feel it as weakness, not attractiveness.
She WANTS money.... of course she does... but she is not attracted to men who give her things or do things for her.
You can understand why women do not want this secret to get out :)
polishknight Endorsed 1w ago
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First-light 1w ago
Women have, each generation, made more the bare minimum for the last 100+ years. These days a man is basically a house boy to women for less sex than his great grandfather got, less cooked meals, less laundry, less emotional support, less obedience and far less children. He just might have to pay a bit less if he is lucky today ....until the divorce (but modern girls are trying to row back on women contributing too ,so this window is closing.
And what is in this for me? A turn on a well used pussy? Ah thought so. Yes well, if madam you had a time machine and could rewind to when you were more youthful and less used, maybe but then of course you would not be into me as you were "finding yourself".
No-Stress-Cat 1w ago
Exactly. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that they have to give in order to get, that by virtue of their mere presence doesn't translate into reality. Their problem is that they don't see men as humans, with wants, needs, and desires, but tools to be used at their disposal.
The "I am the table" rhetoric is pure nonsense. They want to be the table, but they refuse to acknowledge that it was MEN who built the table. A table with nothing on it is a useless piece of furniture, and useless pieces of furniture get tossed in the trash.
First-light 1w ago
I have long tried to wrap my head around "I am the table", not to evaluate it -I know its bollocks but to try to just understand what the hamster is doing. All I can get is "its me you have to bring stuff to". Is this right do you think or am I missing something?
Overkill_Engine Endorsed 1w ago
"STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO MY LACK OF CONTRIBUTION!"
That's what it means.
Bozza 1w ago
There's plethora of post-wall women (or approaching the wall) women who think like this, yes.
Social media has given them a bit of a voice to whip up this rhetoric amongst themselves. All the posts are exactly the same.
I saw one a few days ago that I considered posting to WAATGM, but it didn't quite meet the criteria. This woman, a very successful woman by all accounts. Has her own law practice etc. Made a instagram post. She was on a date, and she had posted something along the lines of "When he's perfect in every way, but his income is too low".
Aside from posting to social media about her date (when she was still on the date). I went through her post history and, years and years and years of the same posts. Looking through her comments, everything was "money, money, money". Guys are broke. No broke boys etc.
I think this phenomenon seems to be worse in the US. For some reason you guys still have this "men pay for the first date" culture, whereas here in Europe that doesn't exist (I've never paid for a first date).
But yes, the entire thing is essentially post wall crying.
I have all these masculine traits that men don't care about. I'm a boss bitch. I'm not settling. Why do none of these men want me?
It's why I don't date any women over 25. All of them are highly opinionated, have way too high expectation, want to get married yesterday.
Or I date women who are early twenties, who compete to keep my attention.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed 1w ago
That's been rapidly dying here with the advent of hookup apps; one can tell by the increasing amount of screeching from women that men are "cheaping out" and refusing to engage in "traditional dating" or "romance" (translation: buy me shit and pay for my entertainment).
And that's a good thing as far as I am concerned. If sex work ever gets legalized here in enough states, it will finally kill off the last dregs of the foody callers and other Schrödinger's whores who are a net negative to society.
As far as the men worried their daughters would become whores in such an environment...they already were, you just didn't have overt confirmation of it and could pretend not to know it. But at least they'd be a more honest version of what they already were.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 1w ago
Some of the info sounds like she might meet the criteria. DM me the details and I'll let you know.
Overkill_Engine Endorsed 1w ago
Yeah how many of these cunts actually live within their means? Almost none I'd guess. Last few generations of women have taken men entirely for granted while withdrawing the things on their end that kept men engaged and participating in civil society. Eloi not realizing that the dirty ugly Morlocks are the reason they can live in abundance.