I have noticed recently a lot of posts from men about how they feel that even old women have gazillion times more options than men.
I understand where they are coming from but feel that they hyperbolise often times.
I also see a lot of “average” looking women behaving like they have more options than a Scandinavian supermodel.
I think the core of this confusion is that both men and women are conflating sex with something more, something genuine.
I believe dating apps have been successful in leading both the genders astray.
Tinder is a gateway to nihilism for men and inflation of ego for women. In the long term this harms both the genders.
But this is factually true that tinder is not an accurate representation of real world.
Many black pilled men use data from dating apps to reinforce their arguments which can be refuted by the following points easily:
-
Even in countries where female to make ratio is higher, like USA, 60-70% users are male which means there are two or more men for one woman source
-
Tinder is a game of dick vs pussy so pussy will of course win. Its all about superficial looks which plays in favour of women because and all other things men bring face to face become neutralised .
- Dating apps have identified that their target customers i.e from whom they will earn are men and so they make it difficult for men so that they may pay for premium features.
So the biggest take away from here is that they might call em “dating apps” but they are actually hookup apps.
Men have value when it comes to relationships but if it’s only about sex women have.
So bringing dating sites up as a reflection is not entirely accurate as an argument .
But fine then let me play by their rules.
Here’s a pew research done on online dating apps that shows young men and old women are least desirable while old men and young women are more desirable.
This data is just an exact representation of SMV graph by Rollo Tomassi.
It’s almost like Rollo was right about the wall. Who would’ve thunk ! /s
Want another proof of the wall? The unrefutable biological clock;
This data shows Frequency of Down Syndrome Per Maternal Age which becomes 1 in 100 when she’s 40 and 1 in 25 by the time she’s 45+
People that claim wall has been demolished confuse a 45 yr old woman getting easy dick because she has a vagina with a 45 yr old woman’s prospect for something valuable significantly diminished compared to when she was 25.
Honestly the problem is Rollo coined it “Sexual Market Value” when he should instead have claimed “Dating Market Value”
And many women say they don’t need a man in a relationship so they can just randomly hookup till their graves are clearly lying as proven by this stat that shows single women over 45 are the highest demographic that are on antidepressants.
So the problem is that we are moving towards a lust based world that plays in favour of women. Men either need to have a little self control over their urges or we need to bring back shaming culture .
Enough normalisation bring back stigmatisation.
Bonus Sources showing red pill views on tinder and SMV going mainstream :
[deleted] 2y ago
Single women over 45 may be on more anti-depressants due to work stress, not the lack of dating. I've suffered from anxiety from the age of 19 and women are two times as likely to suffer from anxiety and depression, whatever their ages.
Zaherili_Mardangi 2y ago
“Single” women not all “working” women above 45.yes they may also be working.
Women start working as young as men and reach high but demanding positions quickly these days at young age well before 45
[deleted] 2y ago
Women will usually have more access to sex.
But that's not what the wall is about.
The wall is about the point where they can no longer secure commitment.
[deleted] 2y ago
What kind of weirdo comments on a thread almost sixty days old...oh, wait a minute...nevermind.
houseoftolstoy Mod 2y ago
Yes, I have stated this before, and will again: the Wall is about how easily a woman can get commitment from men, not whether or not she can get sex. As women get older, men are less willing to provide the same level of commitment to a woman than when she was younger. This does not mean that young women will always get commitments, as that depends on her prioritization to seeking men who will provide that commitment and avoiding the men who are not willing to commit. It is about women being capable of attaining a commitment, not if she capitalizes on that capability. As you recognize, a woman being able to get a man to sleep with her is not disproving the wall, as a man's willingness to have sex with a woman does not guarantee his willingness to commit to her. This is probably a result of the flawed thinking many women have when they conflate a man's willingness to sleep with her as a man's desire to commit because that is women projecting how they think with men because when they sleep with a man, they are wanting his commitment.
Another thing to mention about the wall is that is it about how a woman compares to all other women, as it is possible for a 35 year old woman to be more physically attractive than a 25 year old woman, but rather the comparison is with the woman herself. That is, the same 35 year old woman in the first example is going to be less capable of getting as many and as high of quality of men to be willing to commit to her as she would be when she was 25 years old. A woman who is past her peak might be more attractive than a woman at her peak, but as she gets older she is still past her peak.
[deleted] 2y ago
this applies offline as well as on Tinder
they are definitely not exclusively hookup apps. loads of people, and certainly the majority of men who use them, use them to find long-term partners
yes, the wall exists in the sense that women can't get what they want once they've hit it
Indian-Punjabi-Goth 2y ago
Loads of men ? I have observed the opposite. I still don’t see tinder as a means to find something genuine. Very rarely do I see this.
Majority of men use tinder for a random hookup and swipe right blindly.
In real life your sense of humour, your body language, your communication skills and whole lot of other factors play a role which get nullified in online dating apps and all you are left with is your face and your height. Of course women will be even more superficial than they usually are when they are on tinder looking for a quick banging.
Most of the women looking for stable relationships are already taken by someone they found in their local social circle. From what I’ve observed , tinder usually only has landwhales , attractive women promoting instagram or only fans and women looking for an ego boost through online validation.
And yes wall has always been about finding someone worthy of a long term relationship which wall deniers try to refute by saying all women can get laid. That’s the conflation I brought up.
Also the biggest constituent of the wall is the biological clock. So it definitely exists for even attractive women that want a child .
moorekom Mod 2y ago
OP, while I'm going to allow this post, let me remind you that our focus is on showing why and how women end up asking the big question (Where are all the good men?) and showing why men walk away.
We do not want to provide explanations to men on how they don't understand how women fuck themselves out of the cock carousel. Most guys here already know it. We want you to tie it up with the theme and show how conflating the values leaves women lonely, alone and miserable. This is better suited for mgtow or trp. Most of your posts have been. We allow some because it's manosphere relevant, but we want you to go through the sidebar and make sure the post is relevant to the theme and covers the theme.
cc: u/loneliness-inc, u/goodmansaysfuckyou, u/Typo-MAGAshiv.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
u/deeplydisturbed1.
DeeplyDisturbed1 2y ago
I would also suggest that OP archive the Laci Green video. We don't need to give her more views.
moorekom Mod 2y ago
Good call.
​
cc: u/Indian-Punjabi-Goth, Please remove the Laci Green video and link it through streamable.
PirateDocBrown 2y ago
What gets me is lant women's Tinder profiles say "no hookups". Um, it's a hookup app! If you didn't want just cheap sex, go do Bumble.
The reality is that they DO want hookups, but only hypergamous ones.
Practical-Bee-5733 2y ago
Yeah, that's an interesting little window into female psychology. I'd say many of them write "no hook-ups" even on hook-up sites because they want be able to tell themselves they weren't looking for hook-ups, just friends. That way, when the hook-up happens, she can tell herself it was all a surprise and not something she planned. We used to call that the "anti-slut-defense," a story a woman tells herself so she won't feel guilty for having sex. Men do not really have an equivalent of that, so it's often hard for us to understand.
3HardWay 2y ago
A slumpbuster may be similar for a man.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
The male equivalent is covering up cheating so we don't feel guilty. "I would never cheat on you" is as big a lie as "No hook ups".
WornBlueCarpet 2y ago
We have a sexologist in my country who is kinda famous. Not red carpet famous but she has been interviewed for articles on various topics on sex and relationships for decades.
She has also had one of those "Dear Abby" columns in a newspaper for as far back as I remember.
The thing is, she's getting older. So she's desperately trying to stay in the spotlight.
Just yesterday I saw an article where she was interviewed. The headline read "I get lots of offers from young guys".
I bet she does. But only because they want to be able to say that they shagged [insert name]. Not because they want an relationship with her. How do I know this? Because she's in her 60's. And while she's attractive for a woman in her 60's, there's no danger of mistaking her for being 30-40 years younger.
And come on. Except for a tiny minority of young men with a fetish, no young man is sexually attracted to a woman in her 60's.
And despite all those offers from young men? She's still living alone in her house. Probably with cats.
Practical-Bee-5733 2y ago
Your fundamental argument, if I understand you, is men think women have more options, but what men don't know is that women can get easy sex can't get something genuine as easily. Let me know if I misunderstood you.
But the thing is, men can't get sex OR something genuine. They have neither. At least not nearly as easily as women do.
So the women still have way, way, way more options than the men. There is just no way of looking at it where the women have it worse than men. Women are the privileged gender.
You argue that young women have more options than old women: sure, everyone agrees with that. But that truth doesn't contradict your starting point: that women of all ages really do have more options than men.
Am I missing something here?
WhereProgressIsMade 2y ago
Yes it seems like that is an aspect that has changed. Women complain men won’t commit but it’s very hard now to find a woman who wants to be a wife and fulfill her responsibilities and duties as a wife. More and more seem to just want the benefits and perks.
The thing that woke me up to this was a “Christian” marriage book about 20 years ago. The pastor wrote half of it for husbands and it was all about things husbands need to work on and things they need to do for their wives without expecting anything in return.
I thought I’d read the other half to see what wives needed to do. It was written by his wife but was entirely about things a wife should expect her husband to do for her and how to get him to do it. There was nothing about anything a wife should do for her husband.
I was so mad I threw the book away. It did get me to watch for women with attitudes like that pastor’s wife and oh boy, there sure are a lot of them out there like that. I dumped several back in my dating years.
Indian-Punjabi-Goth 2y ago
Well studies are showing that meaningless sex isn’t making any difference. There is momentary pleasure but in the long term both are unhappy.
In fact a study titled “Paradox of female happiness” has shown that women have grown unhappier compared to a few decades ago while men’s happiness or lack there of has remained pretty much the same.
Options in sex not in dating, especially decreasing post 35-40.
hudibrastic 2y ago
High quality post I never bought this idea that woman are happier when are old and single The thing is that women lie more, and like to virtue signaling far more, if there’s anything they can say that makes them look better they will say it, that is why any study based on women self reporting things like attraction and happiness are rubbishy
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Stigmatization is never coming back. Polygamy for men is the inevitable consequence of what women have created. They either get to be Chad's side piece for a while or they get a beta or they die alone. There is no in between. Some will try to play the AF/BB game but men inevitably figure it out. Paternity tests, tracking software, internet, call logs, security cameras, etc. It's getting easier to detect cheating wives and communicate with other men.
I for one welcome my polygamous future. Sure I'll have to spend a lot of money to look like Chad but it's way cheaper than a divorce or dating as a beta.
nitro-666 2y ago
While I do agree, I think the most common path will be forked. First ride the CC, obviously, and then either marry a beta and make his life miserable, or live alone and be devoured by her cats. And more and more of them will be so alpha-widowed that they'll choose the latter option. They will portray it as female empowerment or something like that, but it's just he natural consequence of a completely broken mating ability.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Yep. They're already doing that and blaming men. The reality is they're out-earning men and refusing to date men who make less than them. In fact, they only consider men making 58% more than them. Since men and women, on average earned the same in 2018 at around $57k, that means the only eligible bachelors are those earning $90k+. So like 15% of men. Now, how many of those men do you think want to get married? How many betas have the drive, ambition, and mojo to make that much?
I think it's hilarious actually. After being treated like shit by modern women it's great that they have to support themselves, pay taxes, and die alone. I hope they become massive consumers and make my stock portfolio go up. I've already recovered more than I spent on dates, flowers, bars, etc. Keep working ladies. Single mothers on welfare are depending on you.
nitro-666 2y ago
Oh, they will do, rest assured. It's basically all they know how to do.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
Big time. Especially the boomers. Gotta have the house, cars, everything in walmart, George Foreman grill, hair, nails, beauty products, massages, eat out 5x/wk, etc.
WhereProgressIsMade 2y ago
It seems like things may be coming to an impasse though as more women try that strategy and there are fewer beta men willing to marry them after they’ve had their fun. I haven’t been able to find any data that is specific enough to know for sure though.
MrNeurotypical 2y ago
45% of women of working ages 25-44 will be single in 2030. https://www.morganstanley.com/ideas/womens-impact-on-the-economy
Rollo says it's basically women pricing themselves out of the market by getting degrees and out-earning men, yet refusing to date men who make less than them.
WhereProgressIsMade 2y ago
Yeah it is multifaceted. That’s another huge aspect to it. Women get told that they’re better than any man so much that they believe it and then wonder why they aren’t attracted to any of them.