Don't know if this comment would ever be seen but this thread reminds me of a video. A youtuber named Bassfzz made in response to black media idea of the black male in relationship within the black community.

https://youtu.be/o8P11l1TzZE The video itself mainly takes issues with how black media tend to paint most of black men as dead-beats and felons without realizing that within itself is mostly due to women mainly preferring men that aren't relationship material whole also totally ignoring the average everyday black man that isn't a Tyrone.

"Doing their parts" means different things to men and women.

Women claim they want "respect" but to them it means kindness, caring, consideration.

To a man "respect" means razzing your buddy, and cuing off of his lead or perhaps commenting 'that works.'

Being kind to a woman is different than showing respect for a man. Please make a note of it for future reference.

I actually realized this myself. The most sexually and romantically active people are so toxic because I think deep down, they don’t want to hurt the feelings of nice people. They want the romance and sex and out of selfishness, they want to be able to move onto the next person without feeling bad. They can say “oh he/she was an asshole anyways”. Also, ppl want drama because it makes life interesting. It’s horrible but it’s reality.

You get more of what you reward, and less of what you punish. Yes, when a man is looking for a relationship, the friendzone by comparison is punishment, even if it is not intended to be so. This does not imply that a man is entitled to a relationship, but he will come to an understanding of what the outcomes of his actions and the way he presents himself are. If women did not like the men who are toxic, they would not reward them with sex. By giving such men sexual access, their message is that their behavior is approved by these women.

Also, I am sure that these same girls will later claim to have "changed" when they are older and less able to get commitments from the men they find most attractive, because they are hoping that the same type of man that they previously rejected will either forget or overlook her previous behavior when she had the greatest offer to make. It should not surprise these women if the same men they previously overlooked want nothing to do with them.

On that cancer called tiktok there's the new trend of women liking toxic guys and guys giving advices on how to be toxic to get laid.

This is all highschool mentality, with trends to be followed, drama to be made on social networks and so on.

Don't bother playing a stupid game

I used to be a "good man", did everything my tradcuck/gynocentric parents taught me. Had manners, got an education, worked every day of my life, didn't do drugs, didn't sleep around, was polite to everyone, adored women, was loyal to friends and family, stood up for others and my beliefs, went to church regularly, gave to charity and my church, volunteered, saved myself for marriage, found a "virgin" girl and got married, had a kid, paid my taxes, grew a company, employed people, worked LONG hours to build a life for my wife (who didn't work) and daughter, and on and on and on.

It nearly killed me, I gave everything I could to everyone, and when it had drained me and life became slightly less than perfect for my demon cunt of an ex, she abandoned the marriage, falsely accused me, destroyed my reputation with nearly everyone, stole my daughter, took everything we had (one way or another), put me through repeated hell for a decade in family courts, child visitations and attorneys/legal battles, drove me to near suicide multiple times... My family sat by and let it happen, my mom even believed my ex's lies about me for a while, eventually when my family wanted to pretend nothing ever happened because it was awkward for them, they befriended my ex and her enablers. When I told them they were being shitty and disloyal for this, they doubled down (that's how my feminist mom reacts when she's caught in the wrong) becoming even friendlier with these evil people to try to "get me back into line".

I've since blown off nearly my whole family (who auto side with my mom the matriarch), only hang out with truly loyal and trustworthy people, stopped dating, downsized my company (much easier), become a minimalist, became a pragmatist, don't go to church, haven't given to charity lately, don't give a shit about our evil society or what people think of me, stay home, play video games, enjoy some booze, enjoy porn, exercise, get lots of sleep, hang with my daughter, cut out of my life anyone who is woke, materialistic or toxic, I ignore women wherever possible, take care of myself, go hiking, enjoy my solitude, and just generally try to enjoy life and love myself way better than anyone else EVER did.

I used to be the perfect example of a "good man". Where did I go? I was fucking destroyed by this sick society and left to go do only enough to take care of myself. Fuck everyone else and their selfish definition of a "good man"!

Atlas is shrugging. Go your own way men.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti

Yup men can't red pill other men only omen can do that.

"If you can't handle me in my worst then you don't deserve my best" mentality is prevalent these days. If you have kids then may heavens have mercy at their souls. They're going to face this societal acceptable behavior, just like onlyfans, even you raise them right.

guys tend to adapt as they get older.

some guys can learn from others, but most need to learn for themselves.

if guys are “good guys” and all they get is used, stuck in DBs and left for bad boys, they’ll eventually stop being so nice or just stop dating.

I was dumped for "being too stable."

The good guys are seeing the landscape and walking away. They see that shitheads and bad boys get the girls and nice guys are used as emotional tampons in the friend zone. Only once she's hit the wall do you become a viable option for her...by which time the good guys have gone far far away. Modern dating is a shit show and I'm advising my two teen boys to avoid women altogether until they are much older and even then ,only on their terms.

You don't talk with girls/women about dating life or intersexual dynamics. That's what this male spaces are for.

Never hear what they say, see what they do. They don't want a "Good Man"TM. They want that/those guy/s who give/s her the tingles to be good to her and only her. Any male outside that spectrum is not a "man" in her eyes.

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It helps to have a reason to be a good man, what today women has taught us is (No Good Man Goes Unpunished). They will always take advantage of good men without fail.

Consider for a moment a great wheel turning very slowly over the course of about 70-80 years, where attitudes towards men go from being appreciated and loved to being deprecated and finally hated and slowly back again. Abundance turning to scarcity and back. Being “nice” had its heyday and right now nice equals boring and ripe for exploitation.

Simply observe what is, stand back, then admire the crafty cabal that is trying to make relations between the sexes worse for what they are: opportunists.

For the next 35-40 years it will barely get better, absent any wholesale changes to the economies of the west.

The only solution I see is individual- arbitrage between countries where men are appreciated by the society as a whole and the gilded cage that is the west.

Absent some very small niche populations, the west is done for. For now.