When done effectively, analogies, parables, allegories, and metaphors can be powerful ways to convey a point. The subs, sites, blogs, and other forums that cover the material we cover here tend to be explicit. This is also a good thing, as numerous examples may be the best way to uncover patterns.
I have heard the analogy below used before, so I must add this disclaimer: I do not remember where I found this, but it is my take on someone else’s great work.
So here it goes:
Imagine you have a daughter who has fallen in love with a young man, let’s call him Bradley. They are both approaching 30 years of age, both college grads, and they are now ready to start their lives together. When you meet this young man, you are impressed; he is smart, charming, easy going, and he really seems to love your daughter. They get along well, and they seem genuinely happy.
At a holiday gathering, drinks are flowing and you hear Brad talking with other family members out on the back deck. Upon eavesdropping, you find out the following about Bradley:
- He inherited two million dollars worth of gold coins and took possession of them at the age of 16.
- He met a girl in Senior year of HS, and spent over $100,000 on her because she was so cute and hot and fun. She was a bad girl and, well, who can blame him.
- In college he spent freshman year giving away significant chunks of his inheritance to girls from Kappa Kappa Skanka, the most notoriously predatory group of women on campus. He did this, every weekend, because "everyone else was doing it". He justified it saying “This was the time to ‘get it out of my system before settling down’. Besides, I had so much money that I would have plenty left after college.”
- By Junior year, he slowed it down a little. He realized that every one of the countless women who were taking his money really had no interest in him beyond getting that gold. It started feeling bad about it, so he decided to take a semester off to find a “good woman”. Unfortunately the best women were already taken by more stable, reliable, and often less affluent men. Many of them had plans to get married after school.
- After graduation at 22, he had about half his money left. So he realized it was time to hunker down and “get serious” about life. His partying ways in college meant he had a low GPA and could not remember a lot of what he learned. He had a hard time competing in the job market, and so he hopped from job to job and now works as a Dental Assistant.
- During the intervening years before meeting your daughter, he used Tinder as his primary dating app, and he met many young women that way. He kept meeting the same sort of predatory women who were only after him for his money. This made him feel bad. Very bad. He started losing faith in women; despite the fact that he was using a hookup app for dating, and was the one making the decision on who to date.
- Mid – party, you go to the bathroom and open up a browser window on your phone to check this guy’s name. You see a lot of photos of him partying, getting tattoos (bible quotes and various sorts of “spiritual expression”), drinking, smoking, and dabbling in drugs.
You also find out that Bradley has two children with different women. That is how he lost the largest part of his inheritance – the law didn’t make him give away that money, he did so willingly. Despite this, these two baby mamas are after him for child support. He has the part time job to keep those child support payments to a minimum. Still, he talks about them in glowing terms – they are still just “friends” and they still hang out sometimes. He speaks ill of women, but not these two in particular.
After the party when everyone is gone, it is just you and your daughter. You sit her down and ask her how serious she is about this guy. She says she loves Bradley and wants to marry him.
You ask her if she knows about his past and the photos and she says: Yes. You ask her about his inheritance, and she says: “Dad, look, I know you have concerns, and I appreciate that. Bradley has about $5,000 worth of gold coins left out of the original $2 million. "He only has a part time job to avoid getting reamed by his evil exes who abused him. Besides, he is happy and he loves me. “Besides”, she protests “I am not in love with his money. I love him for him. His past doesn’t matter to me.”
The most odd part of this whole story is that Bradley still swaggers around like a rich kid. He does not seem to understand that any value that money had for him when he was younger is now gone. He FEELS wealthy, but now he is just a barely employed person with a bit of money in the bank and a lot of baggage. Something about his swagger is attractive to your daughter though.
She is a talented successful professional, and she has a big heart. She feels bad for Brad and wants to "save him."
You love your daughter with all your heart. You raised her well. You band-aided her skinned knees, held her in your lap as she cried because that boy in middle school ignored her and broke her heart. You paid for every gymnastics class, went to every softball game, and every recital, and awards ceremony. You changed her diaper countless times, you bottle fed her, and stayed up with her when she was sick. You helped her study her way through HS, and you helped pay for her college. She is a beautiful, intelligent, kind, good woman; a rare find in today’s world. You invested everything you had into this beautiful little human being. She has the whole world at her feet.
Bradley is the love of your daughter’s life.
By now I hope the analogy is obvious. But just in case it is not - Bradley is the male version of Carol.
The women we see here so often are born with a wealth of beauty and sexual power. And instead of investing it in attracting and retaining a good man, they spend it - they waste their most precious natural inheritance on foolish men and players.
Similarly, Bradley was exceedingly fortunate to have been born into wealth. But instead of investing this wealth, using good judgment and sound reasoning to build a future for himself and his family, he spent it. He wasted almost all of his money on frivolous things and manipulative people, and now he is pretty much broke. Perhaps he did this because he did not have to earn it. Perhaps he didn’t know better. Perhaps he though the gravy train would never end. Who knows?
But two things are very clear. Bradley has very bad judgment, and he will never ever get that money back. His arrogance, under the circumstances, is grating on you now. He has proven himself to be wasteful, foolish, hedonistic, and short-term oriented. He will almost certainly make a bad partner for your daughter.
You might also start wondering, despite how amazing your daughter is, where you went wrong with her. Why would she even entertain a man like this?
What would you tell her?
Edit: Cross posting this as suggested by /u/moorekom. Also cleaned up some grammar.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Happy to serve up some morsels of entertainment. We need some levity here sometimes - otherwise I get all bourbony.
Flesh_Pillow5 4y ago
This is soo freaking good!!!! So good!!!
kyledontcare 4y ago
And women will never, ever get those youthful good looks back, either. Once she, for example, finishes college at 23, she will never get that 21 or 22 year old sexy body and good looks back. And she squanders those good looks on the bad boys like Bradley and wind up having 2-3 kids by a couple of different guys like Bradley. Some invest their good looks wisely but many more do not.
halfback910 4y ago
Please tell me Bradley isn't real. Please. I need to hear he's not a real person.
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Technically, no. But yes, there are many men, and even more women exactly like this.
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Love it, very well put.
ThatDamnedRedneck 4y ago
Starting around 15 or so you need to have a long conversation with your kids (both genders) about long term plans needing long term planning. Repeat yearly or more, and throw in some basic demographic analysis for flavour. Put it in politically neutral language so you don't have to deal with any of that BS.
houseoftolstoy Mod 4y ago
Absolutely. Long term thinking benefits everyone. This is why I want to make sure I don't tell my future children just to go to college with the mindset "any degree is a good degree" and to think about approaching dating with marriage as a goal. Too many parents have been asleep at the wheel, and I do not plan on replicating those mistakes.
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I wish I had talks with my folks about planning for the future. It would’ve saved me a lot of misery and trouble and helped put what I was experiencing in perspective.
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All genders, you nazi bigot.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
That is excellent advice.
gloomcel 4y ago
Had he invested most of his money except what he used for college he would have a stream of interest. Not sure how much but say he spent 700k on his education . 1.3 million dollars to earn interest. The money can also grow and get him even more interest.
Unfortunately he blew most of it.
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Agreed. Too many people blow their youth on stupid things. I could be okay with that, except for too many of them (women in this case) whine and complain later about not being able to find a good man. THAT is the problem.
houseoftolstoy Mod 4y ago
An analogy does not need to be perfect to be valid in explaining a concept. My one criticism of the analogy presented is that money/wealth does not compare that well with sexual partners as while money can be earned again, the number of sexual partners cannot be reversed.
However, this issue is mitigated by the fact that it demonstrates that Bradley in this story had his wealth front loaded much like a woman has her SMV front loaded, and he squandered it much like a promiscuous woman did with her youth and beauty. Also, the analogy shows that his short term thinking is the root of the issue of his spending habits. This is very important since it parallels the reasoning that men are averse to committing to a slutty woman. If her past habits were not indicative of her future choices, then there would not be a precident for men to want no commitment to such a woman.
This is largely why women who made poor choices in regards to sex want to claim that it was all in the past and it does not reflect who she is now. But the only evidence a man has for this supposed change is her word alone. Claims are only as good as the ability to back up those actions, as well as the willingness to do so. And when she has not proven those words with her actions, those words are empty and meaningless.
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Good points.
I was careful to add the fact that he did not focus on school work and now cannot earn enough to be successful. Generally speaking, you make a valid point; wealth can be earned back, virginity cannot. But that was not the point - the point is about judgment.
If for example a woman could somehow genuinely reclaim her virginity in some magical ritual (much like Brad hitting the lottery and getting his $2mil back), he or she is still not to be trusted because she wasted it to begin with - and not just that, but she and he both wasted it in arguably the worst ways possible.
kyledontcare 4y ago
Some money can be earned back, not all of it. A woman who's 33 with two kids by 2 men with 1-2 divorces and 43K in college loan debt and slept with 25-plus men in college can never, ever unbirth the 2 kids and unscrew herself and not take those loans. She should have invested in her marriage and pleasing her husband (very easy to do) and he would have taken care of much of that as a good workhorse should. And honestly that's what normal loving people would do. But these are not normal times; we live in clown world.
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What if Brad a gigantic media machine justifying his behavior and encouraging him to behave like he always has? Would he be inclined to change?
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Good point.
theDukesofSwagger 4y ago
Nice touch with the dental assistant part.
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
That shows up a lot around here. How did this become a thing?
theDukesofSwagger 4y ago
Well dentistry seems to be a female heavy line of work, even compared to other medical fields. In my experience, a lot of the assistants are women who just stopped half way through becoming a dentist.
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I'd tell her to dust the cunt.
Umpskit 4y ago
Except money is a finite object where as looks degrade with time and not how much sexual partners you've had..
BluepillProfessor 4y ago
Looks degrade in women just like money. Once it is used up, the value plummets. Except unlike money or gold you can't recycle youth, innocence and beauty. Once it is is d up it is gone forever. The only issue is how you want to use it. If you use it up on fuckbois who are bad and and act like they don't care about you then you will get precisely what you deserve.
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
And that, my good Professor, is the story of Bradely. A man who wasted an asset that a lot of other people would die to have. And he is the only one to blame at the end of the day.
Deapluv 4y ago
A woman’s youth and sexuality is something that is 100% seen as an asset by men.
Despite a prolonged campaign of media, scolding, and shaming, this is something hard-wired into men and cannot be dismissed no matter how much some women wish it could be.
Women may wish that their youth and sexuality is not valuable to men, and may wish that giving it away is not squandering it, but reality is reality.
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This is what the real agenda of the opposition wants. Unfettered access to all the cock they can get and then settle down with some chump after because, "the past is the past" and "a woman's vagina doesn't work that way"
Their biggest hurdle is convincing all the beta chumps to keep slaving away on the plantation in hopes to get access to all that free pussy being tossed around to all the Chads. What they don't realize and probably never will is that once the beta chumps realize their are being taken advantage of in their own minds, they stop slaving away, stop chasing women, stop saving resources for a family and most of all stop consumer spending like a family would.
kyledontcare 4y ago
You are so totally right on target man.
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Yes. Exactly. This^
What is missing in the public discourse is the various consequences of this strategy is:
So while it can seem from the outside that we are just a bunch of men ranting about women, this shit has real consequences.
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Blame it on men of course!
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Money, when invested, can beget more money. So you are not quite accurate with that statement. But I know what you mean.
Either way, you clearly did not understand the analogy. Not only did Brad fritter away his inheritance, he frittered away his time in college - thereby ruining his chance at a good career with or without the gold. it is a double whammy and I wrote it that way on purpose.
You are right, looks do degrade with time for women in particular. But her value as a long term partner most certainly DOES degrade with how many sexual partners she has had. Half of the point of this sub is to clearly express this using the OLD profiles of these sorts of women themselves, using their own words and pictures. It can hardly get any clearer than that.
In this analogy, Brad wasted what was perhaps his most valuable asset - his inherited gold. Like most women, who are born with sexual power and do nothing to earn it, he was born with financial power and did nothing to earn it. And like many people who get something, for which they did not work, he squandered it.
Some people would give him a rousing cheer and slap on the back saying "You go BOY! Woot Woot!" But those people are idiots. They do not care about him and they will be nowhere to be found when he cannot pay his bills, when he is depressed, and when he starts ranting about how women are all gold diggers. They will never take responsibility for aiding in his downfall when the consequences of his foolish ways come home to roost.
Maybe you have a thing for post wall, single mothers who have similarly spent their youth eating, praying, and fucking their way across the land in search of Chad. I would not begrudge you this preference/orientation.
But I feel very differently.
The bottom line is this: There are simply some things in life that are ideal. Having wealth is ideal - or at the very least, preferential to living in poverty. Who would argue this other than a philosopher or preacher? Having two million dollars can set up a family very nicely for life - and perhaps beyond, and into future generations.
He wasted that.
Similarly, a woman who saves herself for marriage is an ideal. It gives her the ability to pair bond with a good man, raise a strong family, and enjoy the fruits of a life well lived and built in partnership. We all know what that looks like because, fortunately it still exists (however rare it may be).
Any woman who wastes this free gift from life is an idiot. I could live with that if they did not post online by the millions about how evil MEN are.
Enjoy your day.
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We aren't here to debate the ins and outs of human psychology. We accept that women are less prone to pair bonding the higher number of sexual partners they have. That is where we are at.
Additionally, a woman's youth and innocence is what is desired by men the most. If she gives up her innocence to other men, then she effectively gave up her "value" in the analogy.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Seconded. Men look for innocence/helplessness in women. Women look for mastery in men. Men want a woman they can build up. Teach things to. Women look for such a man. If a woman is already "mature", then a guy has nothing to invest on. There won't be any healthy bonding that happens between a benevolent mentor and an impressionable apprentice. He will invest just enough to get sex. And that will be it.
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Like I said, this isn't up for debate. If you continue you will be asked to leave.
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DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
There are COUNTLESS sources. The men who post here have been around for just a little while. We have seen countless bar charts, surveys, interviews, videos, data, and crappy opinions on this topic. Collectively, I would wager that we have tens of thousands of hours of research on this particular topic.
All you have to do is search it up for yourself. But since you appear incapable of doing this, or you are just trolling, here are some thoughts from outside the manosphere:
Stefan Molyneux does a great job explaining this in a video titled: The Truth about Single Moms.
There are countless videos from various perspectives on "The Truth about Female Promiscuity" Search that up.
Do an image search for "divorce rates and numbers of sexual partners"
I will stop there. It would take a lifetime to cite the thousands of others.
If you are serious, you will go do some research, learn a few things, then come back and apologize for your bad manners here.
That's what a good man would do.
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A source for what? Hypergamy? Solipism? Sexual selection?
You aren't going to find a comprehensive study on all of this. You will however find individual studies revealing that women date up and men date down.
Anyways, there are "studies" or "peer-purchased" scientific papers that you can find with a few google searches, but I'm not interested in debating any of that. You have to turn off this notion that only an accredited doctorate receiving grant money from government or NGO's is capable of providing the means for your stance.
Human psychology is very complex and often layered to the point that dissecting any singular propensity for a certain behavior is somewhat useless. You have to step back and look at the bigger picture to get a better idea on how your world is shaped.
For the second point, I am a man and prefer a 22 year old debtless virgin without tattoos. My male friends, no matter their age or marital status, prefer 18-22 year old debtless virgins without tattoos. They will still fuck and commit to women that are not, but they are universally aligned with the same preference. Are you really that academically burdened that you can't see this?
moorekom Mod 4y ago
He cannot. He can only accept opinions and thesis from accredited individuals who he considers are more intelligent and resourceful than him. By his very request for citations, he has proved that he's not interested or capable of entertaining an idea in an abstract manner and judge for himself if it has any merits. He prefers to get digestible versions of preconceived ideas that he would take as his own. There is no point in engaging, much less arguing, with a guy like this. Ignore and move on.
BluepillProfessor 4y ago
I have an accredited Doctorate and have had grant money in the past. I also have 14 academic publications, including my book Saving a Low Sex Marriage which confirms all of these concepts based on repeated observations and recording data. Rollo and many others have extensively written about solipsism, hypergamy, and the female sexual strategy of Alpha Fucks/Beta Bucks. The academic literature calls the latter the "Dual Mating Strategy" and conveniently ignores the other features of female psychology which go against the equalitarian convention that boys and girls are the same. Reddit is a new kind of science in which we share observations that mainstream "science" has avoided.
I find it especially onerous when people demand "studies" and then the very same people refuse to fund any "studies" and violently steer graduate students away from any studies that do not support the social constructionist version of male/female sexuality. It's why the push the Tranny thing so hard. They want to destroy male/female differences so we can't have actual studies about actual differences.
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Yeah, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, especially if they manage to avoid debating the subject matter after I told them it wouldn't be a fruitful endeavor.
But you are right, no sense in discussing these matters once someone shows they have no ability to rationalize on their own merits.
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BluepillProfessor 4y ago
From the Pickup Artists in the 1990's who approached 100's of thousands of women and then reported what worked and what didn't work.
Then more guys got ahold of these preliminary observations and the Red Pill Reddit began where the ideas were further refined and a significant level of 'self-improvement' was added. Then MGTOW and later groups like Married Red Pill further refined the basic concepts and reported their observations.
We are on almost 30 years of solid observations.
If you want to debate Red Pill praexology go over the /r/purplepilldebate.
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She can have sex with any guy she wants and you don't see having restraint as a virtue. It's easy to give into temptation, it's hard to have restraint. Past experience is a good indicator for who the person is and the likelyhood of making certain decisions.
Not respecting your body is a personal choice. Odd that you don't "prefer" a woman that disrespect herself in that way.
You don't care if you get into a relationship with a woman who has debt vs one that does not? What about marriage. Do you think a man who is looking to marry and have a family cares about debt?
If you had a choice, a young woman with no tattoos and no debt and no past cocks ran through her orifices vs a woman with some car loan and and college loan and had 10 last sexual partners I think we both know which one you would choose. The difference between us isn't our preferences it's just that one of us is being honest.
theDukesofSwagger 4y ago
You can look at half the population.
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theDukesofSwagger 4y ago
The female half, duh.
And it’s not really a “broad brush”
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Your daughter, in this analogy, is aroused by Brad because of his Chad qualities. She confuses this arousal to mean that since she is sexually attracted to him, she must also be attracted to his character.
You are alarmed by the lack of direction of these qualities and a lack of purpose and good judgement. After all, that is exactly what differentiates an Alpha fucks and an Alpha bucks.
The real red flag with a guy like this is not that he inherited money and squandered it (part of that blame goes to the poor parenting) but that he has not become any wiser. He has not improved. His identity is defined by the money he used to posses. His swagger is a direct result of it. There is no correlation between his current status and his behavior. He has not found a purpose. Guys who redefine themselves after disastrous mistakes tend to have humility and a sense of purpose about them. They don't have to speak for themselves. They let their actions do the talking. A visible lack of that is not a good sign.
Strength of character does not come from exercising your available options. It comes from exercising restraint, good judgement and using your judgment to determine where better to spend your efforts to get maximum returns. A life of squandered opportunities, bad judgement and misdirected efforts are not indicators of strength of character.
You will tell your daughter this and that by association she too is showing a lack of all these characteristics. What she decides to do based on this knowledge will tell you about her character.
I believe this explanation should hold true for the gender switched version as well.
PS: Finally. As a mod, you can cross post this to the main sub for more visibility. I would encourage you to do so. I would also encourage you to lock the cross post and to redirect the comments here. We don't pin the cross posts in the main sub during weekdays, but if you wish to, you can pin this over this weekend. If you don't wish to, I'll post something else and pin it.
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Thanks for the suggestion. I agree with you. Will get to this later today.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Looks like you cross posted it successfully. You want to sticky this over the weekend?
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Thetrvler 4y ago
I don’t know. A man can ALWAYS fix himself and in this case he really isn’t truly broken- sounds like he has an education and a clean job (although not the most reputable). Men can ALWAYS get the epiphany and become better while women’s epiphany usually goes towards finding a successful man aka socially acceptable prostitute (this is why I don’t think reversing sexes works- we have two completely different end-goals by nature).
I’d say as long as he wouldn’t beat her up or get into drunken rages around her to give him a chance if she genuinely likes the guy.
kyledontcare 4y ago
Respectfully I beg to differ. A lot of men don't get the epiphany until late in life and they don't always have the strength of heart and character to fix themselves because various life issues pull them down. They also are paying child support and alimony for decades and they have very limited options insofar as to the extent that they can fix themselves.
R41nmaker 4y ago
Bradley has a lot of baggage and that baggage comes with drama and conflict. He would make a poor partner for her, but maybe because you don’t like him, that makes him Instantly more attractive to her.