Context: In another sub, there was a debate about why men don’t want to commit to older women who slept around in their 20s - but is now seeking commitment from the same men she previously rejected (or would have rejected) now that they are post-wall.
So, to the meat of the matter.
A woman commented this and two other women agreed with her by saying this and this respectively.
Beta buxx should not be complaining that they have to trade resources to lock down a woman.
What this woman is saying is that good men should be grateful for the opportunity to pay to take her on dates, wait 3 months for sex, and then sign a document granting her legal rights to half his assets, even though the previous 40+ men that screwed her did so within an hour of meeting her, and without ever having to take her out on a single date.
It’s analogous to saying that not only is it acceptable for there to be a used car on the market with 200k miles going for full retail price of $40,000 (although the previous 49 buyers bought it for only $400) — but also that the new potential (50th!) buyer should enthusiastically jump at the chance to do so.
Sweet Jesus, their entitlement knows no bounds.
The men she was sleeping with had sexual value, while the older, more beta guy does not
Additionally, the fact that she claims that the attractive men she previously screwed in her 20s have sexual value while the man she settles for in her 30s does not — proves our suspicions that the good men are only seen as non sexual entities to be exploited for financial purposes.
It proves our suspicions that good men are indeed secretly resented by their wives and explains the reason why the enthusiastic pornstar sex given to the men in her 20s is replaced by the pity starfish sex given to her husband. It also explains the rampant rate of female cheating and why they initiate so many divorces (independent of the financial incentives to do so)
Going by the logic of her comment, as well as the blatant disparity in the quality of sex given to perceived alphas vs perceived betas, it stands to reason that she believes that an hour of playtime with an alpha is worth more than a lifetime of commitment of time and resources given to her by a beta male.
And they wonder where all the good men are.
The lessons I learned from this were:
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Never get married. Instead, amass your wealth, live a happy single life with the occasional FWB or just go your own way.
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If you do decide to get married, choose a woman aged 20-25, so you at least get to enjoy most of her youthful prime - and only if she agrees to sign a prenup.
- Women enjoy being a pump and dump and actively help other women pursue this degeneracy rather than healthy, long lasting relationships with Good Men as shown by the woman who posted the comment in the OP.
BlackPilledYekke 4y ago
So this foid just gave us all a standard blackpill. M’ok, already known in primate studies.
Knowing is powerful. For the low price of a smartphone or computer any man under 30 now knows where he stands.
But, let’s take this blackpill and slap this thot back with some real talk shall we:
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BluepillProfessor 4y ago
Secretly? Talk to any "nice guy" who is married and it is no secret at all how much women resent the BetaMax they had to settle for after test driving all the Big Rigs.
cipherfiend 4y ago
And yet such a woman finds it tolerable to couple with a person she labels a beta guy. If she believes a person is beta then she couples with him....
what does that say about her?
Why does she not gingerly call the Chads back? And aek them to nestle their loins as they did once on hers?
Innovative_being 4y ago
Chad doesnt want her anymore
machinadrive02 4y ago
I dont understand the logic -again-.
So if a guy is short and chubby he automatically has no sexual value even though he could be packing and could have sexual experience?
Doesn't the argument presented by the women on there just display how shameless they are in their vanity and pursuit for only looks?
ffs
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If martial law happens holy fuck is it on!
houseoftolstoy Mod 4y ago
Women who think that they can sleep around until they decide to "get serious" simply want to get all the benefits of the marriage deal without the costs. Marriage is not special if she gave away sex for cheap or free, so no man should be grateful for that kind of raw deal. A better deal that used to exist more often with marriage was that the man provided resources on the condition that his wife gives him and only him sex. And I don't mean only him in during the marriage, I mean that she never had sex with any guys previous to him either.
The use of the term "sexual value" is confusing to me, not because of what is meant by the term (the guys who were studs were able to get women to sleep with them by sex appeal alone), but that by removing the primary purpose of sex (procreation) from the equation, what are we left with? This is not to say that all sex should necessarily result in pregnancy, but you would have to be foolish to ignore the fact that the very reason we have this drive is the instinct to reproduce. Women who sleep with Chad have the desire to do so because their instincts tell them that something about his genes are appealing for her potential children, but so many women do not have those potential children as a result of their encounters. On the other hand, those that do will be left destitute (I know the welfare state/child support will be there for them but they will still be poor) in the very likely case that Chad does not care to commit. Shocking, I know.
Had pregnancy not been left out of the equation, women would have to make far different decisions. Even with the welfare state in full force, women know that having a child from another man is a huge liability for her dating market. Sure she can get a low status man, but she could have much better otherwise. With the consequence of pregnancy to consider, women would actually need make sure they found the best deal possible before having sex, not just have sex with guys in their prime years only looking at his sexual value and ignoring his other qualities or lack thereof. What use is "sexual value" to a woman the guy will not be there to help raise the child? Sure she can get "good" genetics for her kids (or what she thinks is good), but what good are those genes if she cannot properly take care of them on her own? Perhaps I am veering off topic with the welfare state, but the point is that without the pressures of the natural consequences of sex, we are going to see a lot more cases where women are throwing themselves at the studs who won't commit and later think that she can flick on the marriage and motherhood switch with a beta guy. After all, if a woman thinks she can have it both ways, there is nothing stopping her from trying to do exactly that.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Gentlemen, I would encourage everyone to go through this related article.
https://therationalmale.com/2014/08/07/open-hypergamy/
Aldabruzzo Mod 4y ago
Yep.
You younger men are very fortunate that you now have the internet to expose the lies.
Men of my vintage were out and out LIED TO about this.
I thought i was all alone. I was the only man this had ever happened to. Now, with the internet, men are talking about this. And women do not like it.
Women can't hide this anymore. In fact, they're choosing not to hide it. Their contempt, disrespect, indifference and seething resentment for beta men is on full display now.
Go back and read those linked passages again, men. IN fact if I can find it I will link to the full exchange here.
Women don't lie about it anymore. They can't.
Now you know the full truth. The full, disgusting, unvarnished truth.
This is why men are disappearing and not marrying. This right here.
Consider yourselves fortunate, men. You know now.
Yithar 4y ago
I really have to thank the internet and you guys. If I hadn't read and listened to the experiences of older guys like Donovan Sharpe and Better Bachelor, I'd probably still want to marry.
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Same here brother. This gets back to my post from the other day about the effect of the Mansosphere. Add to that the Femosphere openly admitting the vile shit they do and you have the double whammy of a rep pill fiesta!
Aldabruzzo Mod 4y ago
I am telling you man. I remember finding the manosphere a while back. I lost a whole day reading. I couldn't believe what I was reading. It was "holy shit this explains EVERYTHING. And I'm not the only one seeing these things. I'm not the only one these things happened to and I'm not the only one who did these things. I am not crazy, I am not insane, I am not imagining things, and I am not making shit up. This shit is REAL, it happened, and it is NOT just isolated incidents."
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
Good point. I found TRP right after my divorce. Believe me when I tell you I was quite literally out of my mind. I felt like George Clooney in Gravity. Just floating away. It was a very dark time for me. I was at my lowest to say the least.
I got online looking for answers. I found answerology.com (now gone), The TRP Subreddit, and a few others. Man what an eye opener.
Not only do other men share my exact plight, but is the AVERAGE Fucking story! There are millions upon millions of us.
And that is why I hold out hope. The more men get red pilled, the more they get angry. And when they get angry, decent men take action. They vote, they spend, and they think and act more strategically.
That is what we are seeing the crest of right now.
Things are slowly getting better.
Just not fast enough!
jihocech 4y ago
You maybe lost a day, but you got much more - wisdom, understanding...
five_eight 4y ago
well, hell of a lot more than a day. But still grateful.
Captain_of_Skene 4y ago
How old are you and what age groups would you consider "younger men"?
Aldabruzzo Mod 4y ago
I'm 51. I would say younger men are 35 on down. Maybe even up to 40. Definitely under 30 because they never grew up without the internet.
I remember when the only place you could find out anything true about female nature was the PUA ads in the back of men's magazines, and they were poo poohed and made fun of. (of course, you could also discover true statements about female nature in some movies and shows, but you were always told
Men were absolutely openly lied to, misled, deceived, and frauded. Massively. Women can't do it anymore. Hell, they don't even try anymore. THey're just "we're gonna do what we want. fuck hot guys then settle for you, and there's not a GODDAMN thing you can do about it"
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Aldabruzzo Mod 3y ago
I don't really care about your whining "But but but men do it too!"
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 3y ago
Don't bother. I already banned her for her bullshit in other threads. I'm purging all her shit now.
TrynaBeTheBest 4y ago
bro im 17 and knew about this my whole life but the internet solidified it for me
they chase "chad" until there 30s or until they are pregnant then he leaves so she needs are "betabux" to support her since her gender studies degree can't get her a job
DevilComeKnockin 4y ago
Nailed it, dead center. This was my literal experience, down to the letter. They all knew, they all lied, and for some reason, they expect us not to hold a grudge.
Fuck these people.
Captain_of_Skene 4y ago
And they flaunt their contempt for beta males every day on social media
They are proud to be sluts exclusively for alpha male cock only
They love to show off their bodies to the whole world with not even a hint of traditional female modesty
All over Twitter, Instagram, Onlyfans and all the rest
Not to mention in real life as well
They financially profit from their disgust for betas
Women have no shame anymore
None whatsoever
JackSkell0255 4y ago
I am late 40s, but I would expect anybody 40 or older to have experienced this problem. Particularly if they were not tech savvy early in life.
Captain_of_Skene 4y ago
I'm 33
But I guess while I always knew about these ideas, I only really got into them deeply in the past year or so
Last year it really "clicked"
The blackpill is just another way of explaining social Darwinism
Which I have always believed in since my early 20s
But for me this past year I've really chewed it up and digested it and had a hard think about alpha males, beta males, and the trajectory of my own life
It didn't fully click until last year
But now it has
If I'd known the full truth at 18/19 instead of it finally slowly clicking at 32/33 things would have been very different
That being said I became aware of ideas on sites such as http://www.heretical.com in the late 2000s
And there are plenty of black pills on that site
But fundamentally it ignores the Chad factor for the most part except in a few places
The biggest lie of all is that women don't like sex
That is the biggest lie
BluepillProfessor 4y ago
If a husband pursues sex they pull away.
If he decides she is a bitch and not worth the trouble and stops paying attention to her suddenly it is whore city.
Women love sex. They love the power it gives them over men. They love to DENY men sex as a way to "punish" them and flaunt their power.
When you take away that power by not caring about her and truly not giving a fuck, suddenly the sexy wife comes out to play.
It works the same way as in Pickup. Pursue a girl and she plays her games and pulls away. Treat her like the trash that she is and she will start qualifying herself to you and fuck you in the bathroom a few minutes later.
So...yes they like sex, but to a woman, sex is all about power. They like the power it gives them more than they like the sex itself. If they can get the power by torturing their man they will do it. If they can only get the power by fucking their man they will do that.
Don't give them the power unless your balls are drained.
That is all.
Captain_of_Skene 4y ago
"Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen"
basically_a_genius 4y ago
"
What a strange game. The only winning move is not to play
"jihocech 4y ago
Master Tolkien wrote this the best: "the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash"
Captain_of_Skene 4y ago
Lucky me, I've just got a like on Bumble
DoesItMatterTooYou 4y ago
Shit like she wrote crack me the fuk up. I am just over 50, best shape of my life (more room to improve), make a great living, divorced, no young kids, and date two 20 year olds. WHY in the FUK would I pay ANY attention to a dried up 40+ former Chad dumpster?
Most of my friends are 40-50 and over, and the married ones wives want so bad to hate me. They see my GFs and want to hate them too, but they are both smart, articulate, kind people. If anything I am helping my married bros by reminding their wives how eligible a decent looking, well employed 50+ yo man is today.
Me marry again?! LMFAO!
Krydakai 4y ago
This is so true everywhere, AWALT
Some past the wall Korean women have actually said this:
“Only losers who can’t meet women around their age (30s) meet the younger 20s girls, because they cannot meet the expectations of the women their own age.”
Full hamster mode activated to keep their pride after being passed over for young women in their prime.
Innovative_being 4y ago
This.
They try to shame men for not allowing them to have their cake and eat it too when they tell them they’d rather marry a woman in her prime. They say the younger women aren’t ready and don’t have life experience and these men are ”predators” looking to manipulate young women (who are adults).
It used to piss me off but now I just ignore them. They’re just salty and scared because it stops their AFBB right in its tracks.
spoderman616 4y ago
Classic AFBB. Nothing new.
Innovative_being 4y ago
It’s nice to see them admit it for a change instead of gaslighting men by telling them it doesn’t exist.
BluepillProfessor 4y ago
Their gaslighting is becoming less effective as the Red Pill takes over the world.
Honestly they sound like never-Trumpers howling about Trump is going to kill people...he is...bad...orange man bad.
Give me $$ cuz....ummm..uhhh....patriarchy...wage gap......believe women.
Wait, where are you going?
Captain_of_Skene 4y ago
This is the awful reality of what AF/BB means
Thanks for this intelligently considered high IQ post
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TheLaughingMelon 4y ago
Don't even interact with them. In all honesty, even being alone with them has led many innocent men to false accusations and only video/audio evidence has exonerated them. Sometimes even that is not enough.
Just avoid them altogether and you'll find that you are much happier spending time with people you like and who actually respect you. Not only that but your wallet will be full and your heart intact.
Aldabruzzo Mod 4y ago
Yep.
From the movie "Heat", the Robert DeNiro character:
"A guy told me once... Have no attachments. Do not allow anything to be in your life that you cannot walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you spot the heat from around the corner."
DeeplyDisturbed1 4y ago
OP: "Women really are the ones who redpill men"
Woman: drops nuclear redpill on the entire sub
This was absolutely perfect.
AWALT bros. AWALT. Every. Single. Time.
theDukesofSwagger 4y ago
Ha. As if there’s no ugly women.
mvlock 4y ago
believe
accept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of.
GL with that
reality makes the rules
BluepillProfessor 4y ago
For women, the hamster makes the rules.
Reality be damned.
BoxofMistakes 4y ago
The real problem is most women incredibly overestimate their worth. They think they are of a much higher level than they actually are because Megachad gave them attention on his off day.
Even the very attractive ones have awful qualities that can't be hidden by their good looks. So now men have to pay not only financially, but risk legal and social penalties if she wants to make something up and he has to pay with his time and constant building up her ego or controlling her outbursts. I wouldn't mind so much if I just paid some cash- even Charlie Sheen did that- but it's always some extra bullshit in the form of screaming or unpredictable crying or acting childlike that's tacked on as extra fees.
jihocech 4y ago
Men are always shamed for insecurities and lack of confidence, but women have their insecurities too. There is so much bullshit about equality, about seeking an equal partner, but even those succesful and rich Cosmo women want someone richer and better then them.
Men compete to show their qualities and to learn something new (think of martial arts), women just want to be compared to others and win and a high value man just proves their qualities.
BoxofMistakes 4y ago
Women always accuse people of things they are lacking, which is why they call men fragile.
Then they describe themselves in the qualities they don't have (good listener, kind, friendly, empathetic, etc). Ask a woman you know to describe herself and watch as she says all the things you know she's not.
If she doesn't think very much she'll say she's a nerd.