Reference: https://ibb.co/NYHBc3z
The above is a thread posted by a high ranking member of a female-only sub. In case it needs to be said, don't go looking for the original, unless you want to get banned. It serves as almost a stereotypical play-by-play of the hamster spinning that wheel, a textbook example of proto-WAATGM material just inches away from demanding where the good men are, or further than that, that all men are scum and relationships worthless.
Read through that post, and then a second time. You will likely pick up much yourself of what I'm going to lay down here, but it serves to be thorough, so I'll go through this a bit at a time.
Leveling up does not bring you more options as a woman - and that's OKAY, Because leveling up brings you better options instead.
Right out of the gate we have post-rationalization going full force. What's somewhat refreshing about this attempt to cope with worsening circumstances is that it stands as evidence that this woman understands that her dating pool is shrinking because of her career. It's acknowledgement that the available men whom she is willing to seriously date gets smaller as she "levels up," and you'll see that this user is doing the same sort of career-building cheerleading that the writer of Sex and the City did. A writer who now regrets focusing on her career, but let's not get distracted by anecdotes.
In high school and college, when I was a just a wee little non-threatening Pickme, I had men falling all over themselves to commit to me. I had three boyfriends (who seemed to revel in trying to keep me small and domesticated) propose to me before I even graduated college. All of which were summarily rejected.
Notice the tone here. In neutral language, pretty much everyone would see this as a huge advantage, and perhaps even be jealous of her (assuming it's the truth; we'll pretend it is for the sake of argument). However, she writes this as if boys stumbling over each other to be with her is a negative, that her young naive self who was getting tons of attention was a bad thing, and that her collegiate self who rejected them all was a strong and inspiring choice. She is attempting to frame something positive getting thrown out the window as a wise decision and that she's now better for it.
As I grew more successful, better looking, more polished, more independent, and less willing to shrink myself and my accomplishments to appeal to men, I started getting called "high maintenance" and "bitchy" by men who couldn’t dream of keeping up with me.
There isn't much I really need to say here, is there? You already know the story. You know that's precisely what she is now, and that as she "bettered herself," she priced herself out of the market but also began being insufferable to your average man. She was progressively placing herself into a box labeled "better than you," which wasn't helped by her great start in highschool with the guys tripping over themselves to get to her. She's building this narrative that it's all the fault of men (of course) and that she was some soft victim who is now a hardened feminist wise to the nasty intentions of males everywhere, a strong soldier in the war of romance. It's almost pitiable.
The amount of men who were interested in me for anything beyond casual bullshit plummeted.
And here we have a wonderful pillar of the conversation. Why is this? Why did men quickly become less prone to dates and marriage proposals? She would have you believe it lies on the shoulders of the men alone. Just name it, name anything: insecurity, jealousy, afraid of commitment, can't handle strong women, whatever is convenient. It isn't remotely possible, according to Professor Hamster, the arbiter of all wisdom, that men simply didn't want to tolerate her shit. But wait, she gives us the list herself:
But I began to notice the men who were unwilling to date me were - at best - commitment-phobic, avoidant, mildly narcissistic, and low-effort. LVM instinctually run screaming from women who expect reciprocity and effort. Let them!
Ah yes, any man who wanted nothing to do with committing to her were Low Value Men. If they were Real Men, they would not be afraid of a strong independent woman. She's the reasonable one who is simply asking for reciprocity and effort, she's the grounded and down-to-earth type, it's all the men who are the problem. If a man gets kicked out of 100 bars, it's just because those bar owners are some kind of -ist or have some sort of -phobia, the guy can't possibly be the issue.
I used to think "I bring all of this great stuff to the equation! I'm in the top 1% of income for my age. I'm funny and interesting to talk to. I have great hobbies and tons of skills. I'm beautiful and well-dressed. And I'm only getting better. Any man should feel lucky to be with me - especially now! What gives??"
And as per usual, we see the woman come within reach of something pivotal. This is a great question to ask, but with the hamster, you can get any answer you like. Do you think she ever asked this question to any of the many men who wanted her? No, they wouldn't know what they were talking about, they wouldn't understand the struggle, they were all Low Value and would simply blame her instead of telling her the Truth with a capital T. The hamster is on a wheel, but that wheel spins in a bubble, and nary a needle will be suffered to approach the bubble's edge. Instead she asked the hamster, and the hamster told her what she wanted to hear, and she's convinced herself that it's the Truth. Rather than genuinely asking "what gives?" and inquiring people who knew (they were, after all, the ones not interested in commitment) she presumes to faux-psychoanalyze them and concoct convenient psychological contrivances for how everyone but her is the problem. Two feet from the edge, and they fail to reach out and grasp the answer.
Also, notice the "especially now" part; this woman has been brainwashed to think and act like a man. "Especially now that I've built my career and I make amazing money, guys everywhere should want me!" That isn't how it works. This woman was lied to. There were women before her who believed the same thing and lied to her face, encouraging her to focus on career and strength and independence...and now here she is. A lone signpost, standing in a windswept desert, pointing other young women down the same path, because she can't bear to come to terms with the Truth. And the cycle continues.
LVM won't want to commit to you because they don't want an equal - they want someone they can feel superior to. They want the spotlight to always be on them in their shitty, miserable little "relationship." They have a pathological need to be perceived as "better." You being a HVW is a direct threat to their ability to appear like an "alpha" so they can maintain their grand delusion of being the one "in control." I say good riddance!
And there we have it, the narrative is complete. She's a strong independent woman who intimidates men who are afraid of commitment and of her strength. The pool of men available to her, and of whom she'd be willing to date, is now much smaller and she knows this, but they're better quality, she says. However, notice that that topic started and ended with the thread title and first sentence. The entire rest of the post doesn't deal with the pool of great available men, it's rationalization of why all the men who rejected her -- and that's precisely what it was, rejection of commitment to her -- are the idiots, with all their pathologies, and she's an incredible prize they just can't deal with in all their weakness. They just want and need some female to control, and if they can't have that, then they aren't interested in you! It's just so simple, imagine how many generations of women could have been saved if only they had understood this one simple tip.
The entire post is a coping mechanism to justify her preformed conclusion that she's done everything right and she cannot be the issue. An age-old subject on WAATGM, one that's been retread and reaffirmed with who knows how many Tinder posts, yet here we are again with a fresh cookie-cutter perspective made only a few days ago. The mutual backpatting and affirmation in that thread is off the charts, as you'd expect, which only serves to reinforce the bubble, exactly as intended. Feminine Imperative Uber Alles, as it goes.
In a way it's sad to see. This is a woman who writes something like this to convince herself, primarily, and the echo chamber secondarily, that she isn't at fault for her relationship woes. She's a walking stereotype of the WAATGM sidebar: she openly admits to having had her chances, and she forwent those to focus on "leveling up." Now that she's done that, she spends her time on a female-only sub, insisting that the men who don't want her are Low Value and encouraging other women to follow in her footsteps, that the shrunken pool of men available to her are "better" and High Value. How convenient.
We're men. We are well aware that men would absolutely love to have a successful, beautiful woman, especially one full of great qualities. If she were such a woman, she wouldn't craft rationalization narratives dripping with vitriol. She wouldn't suddenly have men going from proposing marriage to only being interested in "casual bullshit." She most definitely would not be on that subreddit. Successful, beautiful women with great qualities essentially never have guys stop tripping over themselves to get them...not unless such great qualities have faded, and you no longer have a successful, beautiful woman with great qualities. You just have a successful one. And men, as this person has discovered, are not attracted to a woman's career or bank account.
Cultural_Area 4y ago
The real important question here is: how many cats does she owns?
Dean_Clean 4y ago
I know that I tend to beat this drum in several of my post responses, but alot of her hamstring is Narcissistic in nature. All of the talk about "leveling up" is evidenced by all of her examples of outward props and signs of status: the career, high income, nice clothes, etc... This type of thinking assumes that if she displays all of the accutriments of "success" and thus status, that this signals to the world what she is entitled to. It's emotional thinking and as many have pointed out here, not logical.
I had an interesting conversation with a female acquaintance yesterday that mentioned her previous alignment with the feminist movement was simply a good match for her own narcissistic disorder. She, herself admitted that the power seeking perfectly aligned with her own intrinsic entitlement.
This woman is convinced that outward demonstration of her status symbols mean success and probably that she's also enlightened. To openly admit that you have judged yourself to be irresistible and an obvious good catch is just circular rationalization stating: I know I'm great, so you should think I'm great. And if all of you can validate that I'm great, then I'm great. Ugh. I'll stop there. This is just Narcissistic cheerleading.
denver_coder99 4y ago
Why don't women see this? They think that strong and independent turns them into Alpha Females, when in fact it only ever turns them into Alpha Males With Vaginas.
The majority of men are simply not interested in dating, marrying and having a family with an Alpha Male. It beggars belief that this lie continues to have such potency. All the women on that sub have been sold a bill of goods, and deep down they know it.
dasanman69 4y ago
When will they ever learn that high value women are young and pretty, not the things that make for a HVM?
mjladieman 4y ago
This was a great break down. Good job.
ogrilla99 Mod 4y ago
Great analysis! It's always instructive to see what's *not said* in these types of posts.
Here, the glaring, pink mumu-wearing elephant in the room is that, in the end: she doesn't have a man. She can talk all she wants about how much better she's gotten, how "shitty" the guys are, yadda yadda. But it doesn't erase the fact that where once she had guys tripping over themselves to marry her, now the best she can get is guys willing to fuck-and-chuck.
Would you take dieting advice from a fat person? Would you take career advice from someone who's never held a job in his life? Batting tips from a batter whose batting average is zero? No, then why TF would any woman take advice from a woman who has failed at the very thing she's now advising people about? It's like listening to an "author" talk about how awesome the book that he hasn't written yet will be. Just as soon as he gets to putting pen to paper.
Here are the facts, after all the hamster droppings have been cleaned out: when she was in high school / college, guys were falling over themselves to ask her out, and even marry her. She rejected all of them. She focused on her career and appears to have been successful in her career. Now (not sure how many years later), she can't find any guy that she's willing to date. Indeed, the *total* number of guys pursuing her has gone down.
If despite all this, she somehow managed to snag the billionaire convict surgeon surfer dude after all, then perhaps her advice would be worth listening to. But given that she has failed in finding someone, what woman would listen to her advice based on a post-hoc analysis of her own failures?
moorekom Mod 4y ago
Well said. Women should not seek relationship advice from a woman who has been pumped and dumped all her life. They should get that advice from a woman who married very early and who has stayed in relationship with her man for many, many years. Unfortunately, there are not a lot of women like that and the demographic that is looking for advice is only going to listen to people within their own group, which will ensure that their attempts will be futile.
RRFdev 4y ago
I have seen career women plenty.
For the most part, they are 5/10 max Plain Janes. I'm talking fiveheads, thinning hair, fatty midget bodies, problem glasses, man hair cuts, man clothes.
Or if they are actually good-looking they are bitches inside and out.
And this has nothing to do with their careers. They are simply unmarriable as a person. This is the most important distinction. Men aren't interested in marrying their careers. They are interested in marrying them and if they as a person are unpleasant, the deal is out.
houseoftolstoy Mod 4y ago
A nice and thorough analysis. You found the perfect example of the FDS mindset.
One thing I will touch on is the claim that "LVM won't want to commit to you because they don't want an equal - they want someone they can feel superior to." First, this is simply projection of blame when it comes to relationship dynamics. It is women who by far will refuse to date any man who is not above them. For counterexamples, how many men seek women who will outright reject them because of how she perceives them to be below her? Certainly enough for the statement "She's out of your league" to be applied. Many men exist that are thirsty and are begging to be in a relationship with women who will outright reject them in an instant. It is not that women need to accept such men, but the fact that these men exist and seek out women who instantly overlook them indicates that such a declaration does not hold up to scrutiny. Unless she would claim that these men are somehow not low value, then that would raise the question of why are women rejecting them if they are not low in value. Not that I take the claim of men being low value with much agreement, as she appears to declare men to be "low value" if they have rejected her.
Women, on the other hand, are the ones who first reject men they see as below them, not the other way around. Most men do not care if a woman was genuinely above them in terms of income and/or status, it is that often those women abandon their femininity in pursuit of the things that she believes makes her "high value" in the eyes of men, and the adoption of other bad traits that make her unpleasant to be around. But women will often assume that it is the money she makes or some other status that somehow intimidates men, not the abandonment of femininity that is repelling men.
It all comes down to declarations without substance. Men who do not want to commit to her are Low Value Males, she is has "leveled up" and is a High Value Woman, all because she proclaims that to be the case. There is nothing other than the words spoken that back these claims. But surely, if she insists on something being the case, it must be true, right?
Ishabaka 4y ago
I dunno. I knew a really beautiful female physician. She once told me she had trouble getting dates, because men felt THEY had to be above her level to ask her out. She said she'd be happy if some guy took her to McDonalds.
Redhood616 4y ago
Guys that i wont commit to = low value
Guys that wont commit to me = low value
Bing_Bang_Bam 4y ago
Well, she can just strap on a dick and be a lesbian. That's modern feminists in a nutshell anyway.
zaze12 4y ago
If a man want someone "less" than him he is a jerk. If a man want someone "more" than him he is a loser.
lorum_ipsum_dolor 4y ago
So let me get this straight. She's saying that she got better looking AFTER college?
In the immortal words of Shakespeare, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
TheApricotCavalier 4y ago
> In high school and college, when I was a just a wee little non-threatening Pickme, I had men falling all over themselves to commit to me. I had three boyfriends (who seemed to revel in trying to keep me small and domesticated) propose to me before I even graduated college
Your analysis is spot on, but I want to say Jesus what a cunt. Shes insulting anyone who tries to be with her, as if they are trying to hold her down. She calls herself a 'Pickme', while rejecting scores of men. What a bitch, I'll have a grim smile when she ends up alone
CentralAdmin 4y ago
I always wonder with these women, how do they not see that if they were such great catches, men would still be proposing?
In other words, what are the results of the path you're following? Does it lead to greater romantic success, deeper connections with others and happy, stable relationships?
They're doubling down on man hating, feminism and getting the same result. They're being misandrist and somehow expecting men to fall into their laps like lazy incels. They're doing the same thing but expecting a different result. That's the definition of insanity! Then they blame men for not wanting to deal with their crazy when they won't even take a lick of personal responsibility nor do they show any introspection. It just leads to loneliness, bitterness, sexism and increasing narcissism.
On that last note, men really don't like dating narcissistic women. It makes women less attractive. But women love men who exhibit narcissism. They're doing what feminists conned them into doing: becoming the men they believe they're entitled to: successful, ambitious and aggressive. And then they're confused when men don't want that then shame the men for not wanting them!
This would be like a man taking on a traditionally feminine role by becoming a home maker, being passive, being agreeable, presenting himself as meek and small...then getting annoyed that no woman will 'woman up' for him. Shaming anyone isn't going to set their loins ablaze with lust, nor is leaving no room in your life for a masculine or feminine partner.
RunawayGrain 4y ago
There's an old saying: "If everyone around you is an asshole, chances are that it's not everyone around you that's an asshole."
Ergo
"If everyone around you is low value, chances are that it's not everyone around you that's low value."
BlackPilledYekke 4y ago
I see this post in less than a Linear A -> B fashion.
Let’s say it by what it is: She isn’t getting now what she was getting before. She is postulating an answer, and for the first time in her life, she has to step outside of “herself” to come up with an answer. Although every social convention so far has protected her ego, she’s now left with logic not feelings.
The progression will either be fast or stunted. She’s already figured out that she’s being undercut by younger and less careergrrl. She’s figured out that the higher she goes career-wise, the smaller her thimble of candidates gets, and the larger the pool of candidates men can tap.
Where she goes next will be interesting, because the demographics his post targets are the oldest millennial women, those that hit 39 this year. Whereas egg freezing was the rage the past few years when time to conceive seemed pushed out into old age, the Covid-19 recession/depression will remove so many overpaid women from business payrolls that normal biology reasserts itself.
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She doesn't want to accept that it was her femininity that attracted men. But since she abandoned her feminine side, she's man repellant now. She stinks of musky testosterone. Her superiority complex is absolutely repulsive. And instead of listening to men, she wages war against them.
DangZagnut 4y ago
Some hamsters really put in the training to run a full marathon.
I've had this time and time again with women, men don't really give a shit about a woman's income or job that much. Sure some do, if they're trying to be some power couple, but that's basically merging to corporations for...what purpose?
No ball busting woman in her 40s is going to be a good mother to your children, she just won't. And even if you did knock her up somehow, you'll just end up hiring some foreign nanny anyway. Because ball busting successful women don't mother very well. It's just not important to them when the Q4 numbers are due.
One, old women aren't "beautiful".
Two, your manly success in business impresses no one.
Three, the only value marriage had was child rearing and complimentary gender roles. Since those are gone, the whole thing is retarded, so why commit to that?
muff_marauder 4y ago
Great point.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
It's more important to women than it is to men. If I already own a corporation, I would rather marry my secretary who is sweet to me than to marry a woman who thinks she is my equal and acts like a bitch. If I am a King, whomever I marry is the Queen. I do not have to marry a Queen (or someone who thinks she is a Queen).
Beautiful_Dust 4y ago
Forgive me if I sound old fashioned, but whether you're a younger woman looking for a man to marry and have kids with, or older and looking for someone to spend the rest of your life with, a woman should be prepared to put her mans needs and happiness at the very top of her priority list. If she wants him to treat her as his queen, she damn sure better treat him as her king.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
I agree.
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Beautiful_Dust 4y ago
Most women dont, you're right. I treat my husband like a king, because he IS my king. His needs and his happiness are always at the top of my priority list. I dont demand he treat me well...I dont have to. Because I treat him as my king and top priority, he treats me like his queen. I wish all women would treat men this way, and appreciate men, instead of being so self centered and entitled
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Beautiful_Dust 4y ago
Thank you. So do I. Unfortunately, my husband has developed COPD, and his health is getting worse. He has trouble with getting badly out of breath. I have no problem taking up any slack. When I said my vows, they included, for better or worse, IN SICKNESS AND IN HEALTH. And I took those vows seriously. I will never abandon him, because he has become ill. I will take care of him until my last breath. I just hope our marriage isnt cut short, that he lives a long life. Hes the best thing that's ever happened to me and I love him with everything in me. I worry alot about him.
27KHHV 4y ago
I'm sorry to hear that and i hope he lives long and that there's something out there in medicine which can help him. I looked a bit and there might be some options to help your man. Not sure what options you have but it might be worth looking into any and all you can. Wish you all the best of luck together!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic\_obstructive\_pulmonary\_disease#Surgery
shrinkshooter 4y ago
You'd think that in a world now which emphasized women's freedom and acceptance to do anything and everything they choose, your choice of lifestyle would be just as acceptable as any other woman's choice. But just reading your posts I could hear the screeching feminist objections about how you've internalized misogyny, you've willingly made yourself into a slave, you've deluded and convinced yourself that your role as some groveling servant is something you like but you really don't.
They'd have you believe that all men want some pushover cute chick who just does what she's told and dishes out sex whenever he wants it. That's the narrative. Shocking as it may be, most guys just want a partner in good company, they have no interest in treating a woman like trash, they simply want to be with someone who wants to be with them in return. They don't want their relationship to be some acidic competition about who has the bigger dick or who gets to make the important decisions. They want a woman who's a good partner and good mother, and despite what feminists say men don't need to walk all over them to fulfill either of those desires.
I wish the best for you and your husband. I also mourn that more guys and girls can't have what the two of you have.
edit: aw someone beat me to this and said pretty much this exact thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre/comments/gcysfw/quintessential_coping_mechanism_in_the_wild/fpgq67h/
Hey at least there's proof I'm right!
Beautiful_Dust 4y ago
I can hear them too, but they can kiss my lily white ass, because I'm not a slave to my husband. Hes my life partner. The light and love of my life....something those twatwaffles have no concept of....no wonder they're so miserable.
Exactly! And they absolutely deserve to have that! What men DONT deserve is to be stuck with women who cant commit themselves to just one man, who cant put the man at the top of her priority list, and who thinks the man is an atm and a meal ticket.
Me too. I also mourn the fact that these crazy bitches have fucked men over so badly, that when the men do find someone who genuinely loves and cares, these men will find it extremely hard to trust her or believe shes for real.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
u/Beautiful_Dust
Not many women impress me or gain my respect. You have my respect. I hope you and your husband well.
Beautiful_Dust 4y ago
Thank you. Just please send any warm thoughts to my husband. Hes a fighter, and hes an amazing man. I'm an extremely lucky woman to be able to be his wife. He is truly a gift that I will forever be grateful came into our lives.
goodmansaysfuckyou Mod 4y ago
u/moorekom said it better than I could. Your attitude is impressive and honestly refreshing. You also have my respect and both you and your husband have my prayers. He may be the one with the medical issue, but as a conventional team of husband and wife, you both must persevere through it. I wish you both healing and recovery.
NohoTwoPointOh 4y ago
Splendid analysis.
What caught my eye most was this:
Accountability and agency are cancerous to these women. They are literally hard-wired to blame anything and everything for their position in life. Between that and projection, the hamsters have nuclear fuel rods. They will run forever and ever. She will never carry the ball over the one-yard line and hit the paydirt that is proper self-analysis and agency. Until she hits her deathbed, she will continue to blame anything other than reality.
And what is that reality? She is trying to sell ice to Eskimos and skinny jeans to a fat man. No one wants to buy what she is selling. But somehow, it is the customer's fault.
27KHHV 4y ago
Buwahahaha that was a very funny link. Thank you, it made my night :)
The part at the 1:00 Minute mark cracked me up, but i swear i'm not a monster haha. I feel bad for the poor thing but couldn't help but laugh at what happened.
BoxofMistakes 4y ago
I have worked in a STEM field for years and I've never seen a women at the top of this industry. By that I mean in ability. They will promote them and they will always be used as a 'Women leading the pack in X' type promo materials, but they are never any good. They always rely on the men around them to do their work, fix their mistakes and make them look good. When we have people viewing our teams or need photos for advertisers we will have the receptionist, HR or somesuch, pose with the teams and then act like they have always been a part of things.
When I was getting my degree the female students around me were laughable. They would cheat on exams, skip out on homework and expect the grace of the other students and professors to let them pass. Most of them did. They had constant excuses for why they couldn't do things and would whine like infants when they thought that classes were too hard.
I am certain this woman isn't as impressive as she thinks she is. We are in a society that constantly congratulates women for doing average and below average work while ignoring those doing much better. It's likely that the 'HVM' she talks about are familiar with this and steer clear of those red flags sprouting from her like a porcupine's quills.
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BoxofMistakes 4y ago
That's precisely why women never grow to adulthood. They never have to.
Go to the bookstore and look through some popular mainstream women's fiction- Danielle Steele, Nicholas Sparks or some such and then go read mainstream men's fiction like Tom Clancy and look at the difference in writing. Most women's bestsellers are on the level of eighth graders. We won't even bring up how childishly written Fifty Shades was, which millions of women couldn't put down.
shrinkshooter 4y ago
Fifty Shades was literally some soccer mom's pornographic Twilight fanfic. Of course it was terribly written, not that the other soccer moms cared. Porn flicks and Baywatch movies aren't directed well either, but at least they don't pretend to be something classy and romantic.
My deepest sympathies to that "author"'s kids by the way, jesus fuck.
muff_marauder 4y ago
This is why I'm sexist towards female health-care workers. I've been to college as well and have seen what you've seen a hundred times.
How many important lessons did cute Debbie Dentist miss while blown-out on coke while stripping through med school? If I let a woman work on my teeth, that fear is in my mind. But male doctors don't have that problem: male doctors definitely did not strip through college to make ends meet. They probably partied, but they didn't burn the midnight oil trying to "put themselves through college" the stripper way, which invariably leads to drug abuse.
PlainTundra 4y ago
What I found is that they are usually less passionate about it too. I could spend hours talking about something relate to STEM and not strictly included in the academic subject with guys, but with girls is very rare. They simply have no interest for that at all.
sleepyweaselisawake Mod 4y ago
I can't remember the last time I met a woman who had anything to talk about on a date that wasn't work, travel destinations, or her favorite place to get wine. Women are as shallow as their dating profiles.
I love to talk about my hobbies. I'm a cycling enthusiast and when I talk about the places I've ridden, the distances, and future plans I get the same response, "I could never keep up." They completely miss the point of what I'm telling them and start calculating how I would fit into their lifestyle.
alivezombie23 4y ago
Well said! I've been telling the same for years. "But sTaTiSTicS sHOw wAhmEn gRaDUate wItH bETter grAdEs."
BoxofMistakes 4y ago
I remember the time a grown student asked for class to be shifted half an hour later so she could catch the train and whining
"But I work and I have to run to catch the train"
So does everyone else.
"But I live far away..."
So do many of your classmates
and her final card "But I'm a mom...."
It's always fucking something. I didn't see her in the thesis course.
shrinkshooter 4y ago
Or the whole "there are more women attending college now by a significant margin than men," "there are now more women with secondary education degrees than men," etc.
That tells you absolutely nothing. Superficially it just sounds "women better," but it gives you no context whatsoever. If 50% of those degrees were gender studies with zero application, what then? It's like saying there are more female gamers than male ones, until you realize the study that pulled those numbers literally counted mobile games like Candy Crush as sufficient to give someone the appellation "gamer."
27KHHV 4y ago
Don't forget the major fact that why many men, including us, are left behind in society from an early age because now society treats us as disposable garbage. We're told to shut the fuck up and deal with it while receiving no help, support, guidance or fewer chances in life. Man up and deal it you sexist woman hating pigs, no matter how hard and miserable we try to make life and existence for you! /s
Of course women are getting free passes, while men and boys and judged harshly and crushed from an age as early as 10 now, if not grade school. I personally learned this shit during middle school in my time years ago (and this is barely in the last 20 years).
Cristoff13 4y ago
Hahaha I can guarantee she did not grow "better looking" post college. That's delusional thinking. She thinks she can reverse time through more expensive clothes, more expensive makeup? Or that her ego growing in proportion to her achievements somehow translates into her looking better?
But anyhow I can't tell when the posters on that sub are serious, lying or just trying to troll manosphere subs like this one. Assuming she's serious, she wants the impossible. One half of her definition of "HVM" is a good looking high achieving, high earning, professional man who's status and achievements at least match her own.
The other half of her requirement is a man who doesn't disagree with her or argue with her. Who is unfailingly gentle and kind to her at all times. If you read that sub this is what they demand in men. Their need to be coddled is very noticeable.
These two requirements are of course completely contradictory. She won't find them in the same man.
Typo-MAGAshiv Mod 4y ago
I was going to say the same thing re: "better looking". Unless she used to be fat and lost weight, she didn't get better looking. If the marriage proposals thing was true, then I doubt she used to be fat.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
The fundamental issue with her assumption is that she views dating like she views entry to a club. She believes that if she can gain access to a high tier club, then that means she can get one of the guys who frequent that club. This is not how it works. Sure, she might get some curious looks and some attention, but every club has its rules and her behavior is not compliant to the rules of the club she is interested in.
Men who are at the top have every woman below them to choose from. Women at the top only have men above them to choose from. It does not matter what progress she makes personally, it does not alleviate her failure at an evolutionary level. The club she claims to want will not entertain her and nor will the men in it. Her other option is to create her own club, where she is in control, and to hope to attract the guys in the other club. But, why would they do it? The men in their club already have their own club and have their pick of the women who are willing to abide by the rules of their club. The only people her club would attract are men who are below her vying to get themselves a better deal just like how she went to the other club. While she might finally relent and marry one of these men, it does not mean that this man is equivalent to the men she was vying for nor is her club as prestigious as the one she wanted admission to.
The reason she is painting her frivolous rejections as strength is because women judge their worth by who they can reject, who they believe is attainable to them and who they can actually attain. She is showcasing her rejection of those men because she wants to flaunt her options and to establish the fact she is not only free to choose her options but also is very much unattached. What she is also doing is to equate the guys she wants to guys she can get and claim that these two different animals are the same.
Every woman wants a man who is better than her. That is hypergamy in a nutshell. But this desire comes with a cost: men who are better than her demand her to be subservient. Women who have no problem with that will have no problem attracting or keeping a man like that. She is not that woman. She wants to find a man who is better than her but wants him to treat her as if she is better than him. That is impossible. What she would end up doing is that she will settle for a man who is not better than her but would claim that he is. And she would end up calling the men she cannot afford as insecure and low value. But those men do not give a fuck. They understand what deal she seeks and they are not going to care how she's going to twist their rejection of her as her rejecting them. They have their own club and they have their pick of the women they want.
Women would rather have a pretty lie than an ugly truth. And these women would rather have a low value man they can market as a high value man than an actual high value man that they cannot afford.
NickTesla2018 4y ago
Very illuminating, this right here...
Every woman wants a man who is better than her. That is hypergamy in a nutshell. But this desire comes with a cost: men who are better than her demand her to be subservient. Women who have no problem with that will have no problem attracting or keeping a man like that. She is not that woman. She wants to find a man who is better than her but wants him to treat her as if she is better than him. That is impossible.
moorekom Mod 4y ago
They would rather have their overblown egos than have a happy family life. Let them.
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The Husband Store, condensed.
I-am-the-lul 4y ago
Technically women at the top could increase their pool by including men who earn way less than she does, but she doesn't want those men... well maybe the very hot but broke ones that give her the tingles, but she doesn't want to marry them either.
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I-am-the-lul 4y ago
Ain't that the truth!