The long and short of this post is to bitch-smack the shit out of anyone who seems to be unable to escape the friendzone. Here's the truth of the matter: if a girl puts you in the friendzone, she is insulting you.
To explain, let me provide you with a personal story. This is the story of how yours truly became, almost overnight, one of the reddest motherfuckers on the planet. And I did it long before that term was used in its current incarnation.
It began because I got friend-zoned. It was the first and last time it ever happened.
The woman who did it was someone I'd known for a long time. I grew up very poor, but escaped my situation. Because of the fact that I lived in a trailer growing up, I considered this chick out of my league while I was in school.
Fast forward to my senior year at a very prestigious university. I had become attractive, athletic and successful. Now, I was worthy. So, I invited her to a huge social event, and decided I'd lay it all out. After the event, I told her that I'd had harbored a massive crush on her for years and wanted to date her.
She said: "I want to be friends."
Now, I had been writing a long paper on evolutionary ethics at the time, and this was fortuitous. My work had taught me, long before TRP or even its precursor material (e.g. "Models") had come out, the nature of masculine-feminine interaction.
So, while the immediate reaction was disappointment and sadness, I didn't stay there long. Literally, within seconds my thoughts turned to my work and everything made sense. I knew that women sought the best mates they could get.
Because of that, I knew that this woman was telling me, in a very kind way: "I know you; I've had a good look and I think I can do better."
My sadness immediately turned to anger. And so I said something that would have been unfathomable years before: "I'm not interested in being friends."
And I left her. I didn't speak to her for a decade, and then only in a random encounter.
I pondered the decision for weeks, and asked myself the common questions. Am I a bad person? Should I apologize.
No.
Why should I ever spend anymore time making decisions to appease someone who thinks that she is superior to me? Were she not an attractive woman, would I ever consider doing this? Of course not.
Gentlemen, women are designed to get the best they can. If they put you in the friendzone, they are telling you that they think they can do better. It's really that simple.
If that doesn't insult the fuck out of you, then I don't know what to tell you.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
Being too friendly is the easiest way to get placed in the friend-zone. If you're an asshole she'll either hate you or fuck you. Either way you know exactly where you stand. In some cases she'll hate you and still fuck you.
motorsizzle 10y ago
I remember watching my friend insult this girl all night, calling her sleazy, etc. Eventually she jumped him, and I remember that as the moment I realized I knew nothing about women.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
I met this gorgeous blonde 5th year med-student chick that was easily the hottest girl in the city that night (we'd literally been to every bar that night). After being a friendly cool guy we hit it off for a bit but she wouldn't kiss me. There was something out-of-place and I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
It wasn't till the booze kicked in and I lost my temper that she jumped all over me, she was literally demanding me to kiss her. I started calling her a dumb slut and that she was a piece of shit and not worthy of my attention. I held a fucking monologue on why I was so much better than her. Even surprising to me it worked.
I had never seen a girl switch from not interested to super-horny that fast. There was nothing playful in how I started insulting her yet she didn't care either way.
I now get why assholes get laid.
motorsizzle 10y ago
Weren't you just sitting there, thinking, "..wtf..."
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
I was genuinely just pissed off at her for thinking she could do better. Only afterwards did I realise what happened.
Me thinking I'm better than her, made her think I'm better than her.
Also, sluts be sluts man. Can't bother to delve into their slutty-psyche to figure out why they act this way. Just know that they do and use it to your advantage.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
Once you have the basics down, this becomes the crux of game.
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
No, not at all.
When dealing with a 10/10 model girl that studies medicine, is in great shape and runs her own business. You are not gonna get by with just the basics.
Standing in front of a genuine dime is gonna increase your heart rate no matter how much you brainwash yourself.
It takes actually fucking these girls before you can convince yourself that you're on their level.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
It is the crux for me. Whether I know I am better than her or I don't, it will show either way and determine whether I sink or swim.
mryddlin 10y ago
Timing your 'nice' things is extremely important, do it too often and it becomes expected of you (re: important for work too).
This is a hard one for me to remember to only do when it maximizes my return. The best I've found is tit-tit-tit-tat , where tat is me doing something in return.
General random flowers or treat , maybe a dinner I make but not often and make sure its paid for before you give it out.
CherryPickTheGirls 10y ago
This is extremely true.
Hate or fuck. Can't have both and they might combine to become the greatest experience of your life.
chuckthundercock 10y ago
Fuck / Hate are the same strong emotions that women crave. Telling her you want to be her beta is BOORING. Truth is, its not her fault. Its your fault for your approach. Insert game into this same situation instead of a heartfelt confession and you would have been banging her that same night. I'm glad you learned your lesson. I learned that lesson LONG ago. Don't blame her, blame yourself.
I look at any rejection as a miscalculation on my part, learn, and recalibrate.
mister_barfly75 10y ago
Thank you. THIS is the real TRP shit right here. I'm sick of hearing blue pillers and SJWs decrying us as neckbeard virgins who hate women and blah blah blah but that sentence right there sums it up for me. Own your shit. If things go wrong, it's so easy to cry about how life has gotten you down and society is out to get you. Fuck that noise. Things are fucked up? That means that you fucked up. Now, how are you going to fix yourself and fix it?
R2-D2Fan 10y ago
Only low class sluts will fuck an asshole. cream of the crop successful women will never fuck you or give you a chance.
sway_usa 10y ago
"Successful"
Who gives a shit about that?
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brokenshelf 10y ago
The ol' hate-fuck. Gotta love it.
HeinousFu_kery 10y ago
I prefer the fuck-hate. Makes getting them to leave so much easier.
Bilskirnir_ 10y ago
Listening to "Thin line between love and hate," iron maiden, other day. Soo very true.
edit: 'added artist'
icecow 10y ago
More like a thin line between hate and fuck.
DrinksCrystalKush 10y ago
Marilyn Manson made a song about that.
JohnIIISobieski 10y ago
I like him, what's the title?
DrinksCrystalKush 10y ago
oh dude sry that was a song from Motionless in White album Infamous.
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FrankWG 10y ago
That's what happens to me, like all the time.
I really, really try to be friendly, but no. I'm an asshole, through and through.
And holy fuck, do chicks respond to that. My ex busted my balls for years on me being an asshole to her friends, I tell you now: she was jealous.
Also, one thing I noticed: the ugliest the chick, the easiest it is she'll hate me instead of wanting to fuck me. Or maybe it's fox and grapes. Or maybe I'm really an asshole to them. Dunno.
Either way, one more reason to be an asshole.
Yangel 10y ago
How do I be an asshole? I'm not very good at it, and I get treated like dog shit. :(
SoldierGenerale 10y ago
Being an asshole works only on the hottest girls.
The insecure ugly girls hate assholes because they want a guy to be nice to them. The hot girl has guys nice to them all the time and craves the asshole that puts her in her place.
It also helps that they're not as insecure as the ugly girl and can handle a joke much better.
Asshole game = for hot girls.
FrankWG 10y ago
After swallowing the pill it becomes clear.
The irony: pre-pill I used to be too insecure to go for the hottest girls, who actually liked me, and went after less hot ones who found me intimidating. Ah!
md619 10y ago
This is definitely a thing.
The uglier the girl, usually the more potential for asshole game to be too much push and not enough pull.
Hot girls have betas throwing themselves at her left and right. So what happens is that asshole game immediately sets you apart from being "just another chump". She KNOWS you're still interested in her sexually since she's hot, but still, there's something different about you...
Ugly girls tend not to live in that same reality. They don't receive that much attention, so too much asshole game can easily come off as just pure disinterest instead of aloofness in their mind. A guy who actually is nicer to them is a welcomed surprised if he's high enough value.
Obviously this isn't always true. As we delve more into feminist "everyone is beautiful" thinking, it seems like uglier girls are becoming more and more delusional about their worth. Still, it's a pattern I've found to be pretty consistent.
drallcom3 10y ago
The good old "treat a 10 like a 2 and a 2 like a 10"
mryddlin 10y ago
Uggos can see our shit for what it is, they do not get the read carpet rolled out ever so the moment an alpha goes after then like a hot chick they instantly know it's a dog fuck situation (ie your throwing her a bone).
This is the core of the angry feminist recruiting grounds, the one that watch the pretty girls get attention and how but cannot join the game themselves.
whatsazipper 10y ago
You can always dial back behavior. It's far more difficult to recover from aiming too nice, kind, or friendly.
MoneyStatusLooks 10y ago
I literally have to try my hardest to be nice. I've got natural asshole game.
copralalic 10y ago
Yeah, but if the uggo's start giving me 'tude, I realize I really don't want to talk to a woman who is unappealing in multiple aspects. I'm sure they feel the same about me by that point, so I do us both the mutual favor of nope-ing the fuck out.
I usually only talk to uggo's when I'm on wingman duty or if I'm really, really bored.
FrankWG 10y ago
True. I instinctively know when to dial it back to be liked, and that bell always goes crazy with ugly girls and medium value men.
mryddlin 10y ago
That is interesting, makes sense as beta behaviors are very safe and common to them.
Interesting that it flips around , the type of game is invesere to the level of girl hotness, ie the hotter they are the higher the asshole versus nice. The more uggo the more nice you layer in and less asshole.
Hmmm interesting, I'll see if I cab field test that.
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Bonnerso 10y ago
What do you mean?? Are you saying, While you were dating your ex, you would be mean to her friends, and instead of being mad at you for being mean to her friends, she actually got jealous of the mean attention you gave them (wishing she was the one that you were being mean to)??
ObsidianOne 10y ago
I think she implied he was flirting with them and it made her respond jealously.
FrankWG 10y ago
Yeah, now after TRP I can see that clearly. In fact, she got turned on when I was mean to her ugly friends or male friends, and outright jealous when I was mean/flirted with her hot friends. So many things click when you see them under red lenses.
Bronze_Bound 10y ago
What do you consider being an asshole? Examples?
Jswiizle 10y ago
I walked into this girls party, and greeted her by saying "nobody told me that you were invited" and she called me an asshole and proceeded to flirt with me for the rest of the night
FerrusMan 10y ago
The next time you find yourself thinking "what an asshole" about someone, there is your example. You will have plenty don't worry.
Here's one, not holding a door open for a girl.
MattyAnon Admin 10y ago
Being an asshole is half opening it so she starts to walk into it. Or opening it and then closing it just as she starts to walk through. Or opening it, and then barging in front of her to get through first. All are hilarious, but be careful you don't actually hurt her. Whatever happens, laugh about it.
Girls who like you love this shit. Girls who see you as BB will hate it.
FerrusMan 10y ago
Pretty much the case for anything a guy does, whether it's opening doors, or catcalling to some bimbo walking down the street in ny and putting it on youtube.
FrankWG 10y ago
It's not something I do on purpose. Poke people where it hurts, I suppose.
Basically, all the things on which you think "this is something not to be talked about". Stare at fatties when they eat. To a very tall and stupid chick I asked whether she was so dumb because she was missing oxygen due to the height.
I'm mean spirited in my humor, but I do it to amuse myself, never to hurt.
Usually you either love me or hate me.
Midnight_in_Seattle 10y ago
If the OP wants examples, get a Tucker Max book. They're encyclopedias of poking people where it hurts.
arpex 10y ago
I read tucker max's first book pre trp and it was funny as fuck - is he a good role model for our purposes?
HerculestheRed 10y ago
Not generally considered to be now. He sold out to appease women. Lost a lot of the edge. He launched a "totally not a manosphere/Cernovich/Roosh copypasta" site, matinggrounds or something.
I forget the exact basics of it, since it was awhile ago and I'm not big on gossiping or treating our little clubhouse like an "us vs them" against other corners of the manosphere, but the idea is that he used to embody what we wanted, then he sold out and is a bit watered down.
If you enjoyed his books for a laugh, sure. Just don't go swallowing any gospel or anything he's shit out in the past year or two. He's watered down the message because $$$
Overkillengine 10y ago
The insult isn't so much the content; it's the delivery and the intent.
She has determined that you are not good enough for her, but in a dishonest way that attempts to keep you around to provide Man Benefits without her providing Woman Benefits in return.
At least until she gets kicked off the carousel that is. Then she will have a mysterious change of heart. (More like she can't get commitment from a higher tier male and even the booty calls she did get from them are decreasing.)
So the moment a woman trots out the LJBF line, you should now know this is woman that you may as well decide does not exist- she will only try to use you.
GreatWalker 10y ago
Is it really an insult though if it's true? She's telling you the truth (at least according to her) which is that she can most likely do better.
I can see in one sense that it may be insulting, but in general, it should make you motivated. I don't mean motivated to "win her" but motivated to improve your SMV in general.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Maybe it is; maybe it isn't.
What matters is that I don't waste time with people with whose interaction I gain nothing.
Her friendship simply did not benefit me, so why invest in it?
leftovers432 10y ago
OK, how about this? She didn't find you good looking OR she didn't really like your personality? Think about it like this. If there was a girl that you didn't find particularly and she went to ask you out, and you say no, are you friendzoning her? It's the same situation. Your sense of entitlement is what makes you mad. Girls are not going to fuck every guy they meet just like guys won't.
drallcom3 10y ago
", but I'm going to keep you around for when I can't find a job with my ancient languages of the Indian sub-continent masters degree and I'd rather become a mommy with 35. Chad doesn't want children."
Totsean 10y ago
I dunno you get friendzoned from time to time, it's not a big deal, it's like me friendzoning someone knowing full well they are into me. Sometimes you're just not into them.
kraaksmaak 10y ago
You reacted beta-ish, you let your anger overwhelm you. No woman can make you feel inferior without your goddamn consent which you gave.
I had a similar sittuation with a girl who I had a crush on in mid-school. She knew I was into her as we had a lot of mutual friends and at a party whilst talking together, she tried to bro-fist me. I now had three options: a) act like a pussy and bro-fist back b) leave her hangin and go raged mode and thus show my insecurity c) smile, leave her hangin and wait for her pussy to moist. I kept my cool and just laughed at her as you would laugh at a little girl acting silly. She was to become my first gf.
AnotherLostCause 10y ago
It wouldnt be so bad if they actually wanted to be friends, but they dont. What they are really saying is I want to abuse your good nature while I fuck someone else. My all time favorite reply was "I have enough friends." Sadly I didnt coin that phrase.
TheRedPilsner 10y ago
A lot of times when a woman friendzones you she's saying "I've got better options right now, but I'll keep you around in case those don't work out."
Regardless, the proper thing to do when a girl tries to friendzone you is to next her.
Overkillengine 10y ago
Ah the old "dick in a case marked for emergency use only". It's funny how often women try to use that scenario to bargain their way to a higher tier male and eventually end up as a single mom.
Bronze_Bound 10y ago
a single mom until a new beta bitch comes around
ambassador_of_porn 10y ago
That's a difficult question. Friendzone is insulting alright, but the fact that someone ended up in a friendzone is often that person's own fault.
rattamahatta 10y ago
Being insulted is a feeling. A woman shouldn't be in charge of your feelings, no other person should but you. Being friendzoned is a message, what you make out if it is your business alone. Take charge.
T_H_E_T_R_U_T_H 10y ago
I believe men put themselves in the friend zone by not being upfront with how they feel, and doing shit like buying her dinner and helping her out with absolutely nothing in return but bullshit hugs that women give out for free.
As far as insults, I believe there is one instance where a woman who has friendzoned you can insult you. If she ever says "I wish more guys were like you" this whore is no longer your friend, and get her the fuck out of your life.
That is an unbelievably bullshit thing to say to a guy who is your friend, and it's just a tool to keep stringing him along on the off-chance she might finally realize he was the perfect guy (read: when she hits the wall and needs security)
hardbodystud 10y ago
Easier way to put it: if she's friend-zoning you, you're not attractive enough. Step up your game.
RXRob 10y ago
"I've had a good look and I think I can do better"
That's the motivational line right there
cover20 10y ago
But he may have killed it just before by "laying it all out". Guys, don't do that.
RXRob 10y ago
The motivation is too avoid hearing that line
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Oh, I most certainly did.
Looking back, it's quite humorous and I'm glad this was before social media took off.
The point of the story is to look at a transformational event and distill important lessons--both good and bad.
windowkicker 10y ago
She'll be back after she's had one Chad too many. When she does ask her "What age are you?". Whatever she says never reply and continue slaying 20 year olds.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Hahahaha!
I'm not angry at her now. Really, I feel bad. Society lied to her as much as me. And, my suffering was fleeting; hers will linger for decades.
windowkicker 10y ago
That's a very mature perspective. Those primitive societies that we in the western world scoff at weren't all that much off the mark eh?
ogCOLE 10y ago
Am a 19 year old male, is this what I have to look forward to for the rest of my life if do the plate spinning thing right? Endless slaying of girls the age I am now, forever?
windowkicker 10y ago
Yes and it's glorious. If you find happiness within you will use females as fun objects. If you want to have children expect TRP to be on hard mode and vet your candidate heavily.
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SwallowRP 10y ago
This is the best thing ever!
ClearSD 10y ago
Holy shit. This is amazing. I needed this.
funquip 10y ago
Honestly, I'm not a white knight at all, furthest from it, but please consider the other situation. A girl you're not attracted to you, asking you to be in a relationship with her. I've been in that position many times (and they were truly unattractive.. and fat.. but good people). If she's letting you down gently, try not to take it personally. Just realize she could have let you down in a much worse way, and avoided doing so.
Yes, the part about her wanting the best, is her problem. I've been in that position too, and years later, the same bitch has gained weight and been dicked around, now wants to be with me. And I said "no". Yes, that "no" was somewhat satisfying, but I also felt sorry for her.
Do what you need to, but I don't think taking her "not wanting to be with you" as an insult. It wasn't personal. If you think it is personal, perhaps it is time to seek therapy.
ErasmusOrgasmus 10y ago
Lol @ thinking she let you down gently just to be nice / because she cares. If she lets you down gently it's because she wants you as an orbiter.
If you're analysing something a woman did and you can't find the 'self interest' reason, you're not looking hard enough or your lens is the wrong colour. Try a red one.
funquip 10y ago
Why do we need to assume she wants a "dick in a pocket"? I think your red pill theory there is flawed.
I'm an alpha male today, I used to be a beta. I've seen my interactions with women go from 0 success to some success. Like I said, I don't have friends that are women (if they're attractive). But I don't assume they have a sinister motive in their actions. I actually believe they're looking for the best for a lot of reasons. Yes I think they are flawed in their thinking, but I honestly don't care.
While I have the same solution (to not be friends with them), I don't delude myself to thinking they're insulting me. I don't take it as an insult if someone doesn't want to be with me, I label it as "their loss" and walk away.
FinickyFizz 10y ago
This is completely true. I had quite a few girls hitting on me when I swallowed the pill, I simply didn't want anyone and as soon as the commitment phase of things started coming up, I would immediately leave sometimes when I knew things were going really really well, I would go so far as to sister zone them.
Truly happy times. However what OP said is again true. I've exhausted most girls in my social circle and people have started viewing me as the MGTOW that I really am. Anyways, the whole point being - depending on what you want in life, you can get it. Simply don't get friend zoned by someone who you like, on the contrary sister zone them (if you can).
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
It's not personal.
It's just truth.
If a woman puts you in the friend zone, she thinks she can do better. Any self-respecting man should be insulted by this.
RedBigMan 10y ago
If you aren't her alpha fucks plan... dont be her beta bucks retirement plan.
mtlbrn 10y ago
Women have a tendency to ask for more when they don't even bother - do not accept LJBF as an answer, do not give any form of empathy, do not hamster that decision out.
Women doesn't know how to say ' no ' and move on. They will try to slide it out and take whatever the fuck they can. Do not feed such behavior.
You are not satisfied with her answer? do not compromise your tought process. Yes and no's will get you results, maybe's will you get stranded.
funquip 10y ago
Any confident man would look past it. Hey, I personally don't have friendships with women I am attracted to. I just don't believe in the philosophy of letting someone have that kind of power over me, to insult me like that.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
In 99.9% of situations, you are right.
Hell, you often see me toss out the phrase, "there are billions of women and they make new ones every day; there is just one of me."
But, this was an instance of near-oneitis. This girl actually knew me pretty well. It takes discipline to cut ties in such circumstances.
All that said, it makes for a great story. That in and of itself is worth a little rejection
marty2k 10y ago
It's not that she think she can do better necessarily, but that you weren't the best choice for what she wanted in that point in time. I have a feeling if you took the friendship thing, stuck around until she hit the wall, and kept up having a good career, she would magically see the light and see the value in a relationship. But at the time she wanted some alpha dude to put his dick in her, and you weren't it.
Men want the same thing throughout their life, what we value in a partner holds through whether it be sex or love (though st generally andards for sex are lower). Women want the AF/BB, two opposite and opposing types of men, depending on which side of the wall they're on.
Deresetese 10y ago
You have a problem if you are insulted by something that isn't personal.
Look at it as it is: She's not interested and wants to be nice about it. Now, you can use that fact the way you want. As inspiration to better yourself or simply ignore it.
badgerpossum 10y ago
She doesn't want to be nice about it, she rather win an orbiter than fuck or being in a relationship with a guy that she see's below her standards.
JackMcJackJack 10y ago
The friendzone is somewhere you're put if your not good enough or she doesn't like you. I don't think it's as malicious as you imply. Not a fuck you just a no. Suck it up and stay in your league.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
I didn't imply that it was malicious.
As for this . . .
Hahahahahahah! There are no women who are out of my league. Sure as fuck not now, anyway.
porcia918 10y ago
"After the event, I told her that I'd had harbored a massive crush on her for years and wanted to date her."
This is deep blue pill. Navy blue. Fucking Indigo.
After years of friendship with her, you probably felt more like a brother to her.
RP man just says, whatever, Next.
Sirinon 10y ago
The problem is it can take a man years to truly be able to do this with confidence, give the guy some slack.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Yes. That was the kind of the point of the story, to discuss a key transformational event and pull out the lessons.
porcia918 10y ago
The reason could have been as simple as the 'brotherly feeling' and not that you wouldnt be a worthy partner.
You must have rejected a few females before, could be as simple as 'she didnt smell right' all the way to 'shes not not my type'. Insulting, but not a flat out insult as to theirvworthiness as a partner.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
In terms of sex, I rejected girls because they weren't attractive active enough. I could do better, that night, and usually did.
In terms of an actual relationship, I rejected almost all comers, because I knew I could do better.
The whole "not my type" thing is a myth. Women and men size each other up and anewer the question: "Should I bang?" For women, if that answer is "yes" it means that the answer to "should I date" is also likely a yes. This isn't the case for men.
porcia918 10y ago
If this helps to know -
(and using RP terminology) - the Tingles shut off for me when guys come on 'bended knee'. They Shut Off. If I don't feel that there is some sort of challenge, some mystery as to how he feels about me, sexually or otherwise, I'm bored, I'm turned off, I'm gone.
Narcissistic men have Always had the greatest hold on me.
motorsizzle 10y ago
Exactly what I was thinking. I hope you explain this to all your guy friends.
BrunoOh 10y ago
Is it the "Hello, I like you and would like to take you on a date" part that turns you off already? I mean, if them professing their undying love or supplicating turns you off, I understand..but if the former is the case you're going to have a hard time finding suitable partners.
SnarkyFartBlast 10y ago
Uh-huh.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Ah. You're a chick.
This post is for men. How you personally claim to select your men is irrelevant. What matters isame that men learn a lesson from my story of fucking up and then recovering, and ultimately finding the ability to cut ties with anything that does not add value to one's life.
Ultimately, the lessons I learned from this rejection are more important than any relationship that might have emerged had it not gone down this way.
porcia918 10y ago
I'm giving an example of how 'rejection' can sometimes be an almost reflexive reaction to how a guy approaches the dating prospect/situation.
There's a lot of power play, it may be all power play.
If she has the power (sees all your cards) she has control.
goodbyewatch 10y ago
Is this your first time talking to a female or something? You're making a huge deal out of someone not finding you attractive. Talking about "insults" and "lessons to learn" You got rejected, get over it.
EpicLevelCheater 10y ago
Do not mention your sex in your post. It's against the posting rules, and no one cares about your vagina.
motorsizzle 10y ago
I found that post extremely valuable, and I've been on seduction forums for years. I've given this advice to my friends until I'm blue in the face but having it confirmed by a girl is very helpful.
porcia918 10y ago
I did not pre-empt an opinion by mentioning that I have a vagina. E.g. if I said, 'As a girl, I think...'
I was offering an example drawn from experience of what can happen when a guy reveals his eagerness.
EpicLevelCheater 10y ago
I did not instigate a ban precisely because your posts were thoughtful and contributing to the discussion.
But the posting guides are there for a reason. We cannot be selective about whom we enforce the rule on, or trolls will slip through the cracks.
In the future avoid mentioning your sex. You can still make your point without having to do so.
SilentForTooLong 10y ago
Legitimately curious here. If a guy walks up to you and says hello, who does that not portray eagerness to get to know you?
porcia918 10y ago
It depends on how he says 'hi'. You know how you can tell when someone likes you, they might laugh a little harder at your jokes, their body language gives them away, things like that.
Eagerness can be communicated in a single puppy-dog glance. Im not saying that all girls can read men easily.
Ill throw this in - can you picture what James Bond would do in the situation? Do that. He's friendly but has a cool temperature around women, hes not jumping to anything they throw at him.
SilentForTooLong 10y ago
Why does how he says it make any difference? This guy just chose to walk across a room, stand next to you, and specifically say hello to you. The only way I could see you taking this as "he's not really that into me" is if you just saw him go around to every other woman in the local and say hello rapidly in the same way. Otherwise, you have someone that just communicated via their actions that you have been deemed worthy of spending some of their time getting to know. I don't see how that conclusion can be avoided.
Even if James Bond sat next to you and said "Hi, my names Bond, James Bond." That would indicate he finds you hot and wants to fuck you: bam! You know you're desired.
Or do women have an inability to calculate motivates based on people's actual actions?
Like would a woman really think that if a man came up to here and said "Hello, I don't care about you at all." that he really doesn't care about her at all?
TheRabbitWarren 10y ago
Mate it isn't just the action that shows the major intent. Hello is just asking you to start a conversation Mc Puppy Eyes has already got wedding bells singing in his head. As a result he'll laugh placate and agree to everything. He submitts to her desires of what he thinks she will like meaning he will act as the bluest beta man he can. It is evident in body posture i.e lowering of the head, bending over, higher voice or kind smiling face etc. Everyone notices these tells and due to the desperation that causes them we automatically lose respect and/or sexual attraction for them.
James Bond (Sean Connery) is different in that he finds her attractive but tests her worthiness. He will make her qualify to him from the get go and be willing to withdraw attraction. As a result he shows his power displays i.e low voice, correct posture and a staunch face. She has the perception that she is just 1 of many girls like her after this man as he is willing to risk offending/losing her to qualify the goods. She can tell this inately and wants him as a result if she finds him at least a bit fuckable. This is why being an asshole pays off a lot better than being a nice guy because it can sometimes be mistaken for qualifying those people around you which typically indicates you are high quality.
SilentForTooLong 10y ago
A lot of words not about why actual behavior doesn't matter.
I find words completely hollow. I pay attention to people's behavior. This is what all intelligent people do.
So basically, you just need to assume that any woman you decide to talk to is completely braindead and cannot make even the simplest logical deductions?
Or you have to simultaneously come across as if you are constantly approaching random women, so she doesn't matter...while simultaneously not allowing such actions to come across as desperate (which seems impossible; why are you spending all of your time approaching women if you are not somewhat desperate? Again, simple logical deduction).
Maybe people are just all far, far dumber than I even thought...
porcia918 10y ago
Experience is going to be your best teacher. Learning how to read people, then learning how to calibrate your tone, body language to respond to get the results you want - its an art form that doesnt happen overnight. you can only learn by doing and fucking up and trying again to see what works.
I like using a mental 'mentor' that you can call upon quickly, like James Bond.
Edit: you can greet and talk to a woman without showing eagerness. James Bond can be friendly, but still holds cool.
motorsizzle 10y ago
I think the point you're trying to make is that even though I approached you, it can still be very unclear whether or not I'm interested, and the excitement that comes from that is part of the attraction.
Just because I approached you doesn't mean I'm not still deciding how I feel about you.
SilentForTooLong 10y ago
Ok, you completely ignored my question, so I'll just ask it again:
How does someone walking across a room and saying hello specifically to you out of everyone not indicate interest from that person in them wanting to get to know you?
Sirinon 10y ago
This is always the correct response to being friendzoned, no exceptions.
If anything this opens up the slight possibility that they might contact you at a future period with interest, however being TRP you probably will have moved on by that point.
Royalartist 10y ago
Right on! I did the same myself recently. I told her I had all the friends I need. Keep in mind that her "friend" is the one who helps out with all kinds of shit and who she calls on when she wants something. Naah, let 'em fix their toilets themselves. It never goes the other way. Really, what can they do for you that you can't do yourself?
Yangel 10y ago
With me they'll demand I fix their mental health issues so they can get more cock. The skeezy hipster they fuck ends up credited with fixing them of course.
The entitlement is fucking jaw dropping. Its worse when you see guys brainwashed into accepting this as the norm.
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foldpak111 10y ago
Never forget that she viewed you as subhuman and doesn't even remember you. Lift, study, work. You got this.
FALSE_RAPE_AWARENESS 10y ago
There's really no better response. Just cut her off.
Noob_The_Legend 10y ago
See men like this is what make us all look stupid. There is nothing wrong with a woman not wanting to fuck you. There are plenty of women that I do not want to fuck and I don't think I'm better than any of them. You sound like an entitled little boy that didn't get what he wanted. Grow up.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Listen, retard, and try to understand.
Biologically, if a woman doesn't want to fuck you, it is because she assesses that your genetics are not desirable.
Quite literally: she thinks she can do better.
It doesn't mean there's anything "wrong" with that. And, I didn't say as much. It just is what it is.
Noob_The_Legend 10y ago
Well no because you said that she is insulting you. Which is not what she is doing. Like I said before there are plenty of woman I don't want to fuck, does that mean I think I'm better than them? No, it doesn't. Is the scorned little boy upset that he didn't get to kiss the pretty girl? Quit whinging and move on.
SilentForTooLong 10y ago
Yes, ok, but having hot female friends can be useful to your life in general. They can open lots of social doors for you in the future.
Is it mandatory to never have any female friends? How about making friends with note girls your good friends are with?
scummcdirt 10y ago
I was under the assumption that friend zoning was simply: "cock in a jar"
I came to this conclusion, based on how one sided the friend zone is. The beta orbiter does a lot for the "friend", yet rarely have i seen the girl reciprocate. The guy could do a lot of stuff, yet if he needs a simple favor, like watering his ficus tree while he is away, the girl will make up a million excuses to not do it.
Until he loses interest. That magical moment when he no longer cares, then will the girl suddenly become interested. Then she will tell him she is "interested", and wants to be more than friends.
balalasaurus 10y ago
Funny thing is with their inflated SMVs, they rarely can 'do better'. If they ever do, the likelihood of being alpha-widowed becomes that much higher. It then culminates in them settling for a BB who they take every opportunity to hate and put down. All that because they couldn't accept that they were a 6 and not the 10 they thought they were.
cover20 10y ago
These days they will grow old with their cats. Yes we are having an effect.
babydocnorman 10y ago
This wasn't an example of friendzoning. The friendzone is characterized by an extended period of orbiting with pussy deprivation. She just blew you off, probably because she thought the "I've been crushing on you" approach was weak.
Angry_Landwhale 10y ago
This is just bullshit navel gazing. You spend much of the post trying to seem like a badass and how you were 'redpill before it was cool' but still happen to be "the reddest motherfucker" or whatever it is you wrote. I also see you quite readily fall back onto snarky and snide replies in the comments section. This combined with all the posturing you do in the post makes me think you are an extremely weak individual.
Jokoran 10y ago
Sounds like you got a lot of pride. No need to get so angry. Having a female friend is beneficial as she can hook you up with her friends. Getting friend zoned isn't a result of her actions, it's a result of your actions. You act, she responds. It's like getting angry at a computer for a typo you made.
sealteamaus 10y ago
girls who friendzone you dont get you laid bro
Jokoran 10y ago
Happened to me. Introduced me to two of her attractive friends. I only banged one of them but hey at least I broke even on the investment. Besides, I can bring her to a club and get in for free. Attractive women see her around me and my value goes up. Females make good wing men.
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sealteamaus 10y ago
i had a nutcase plate tell me i was bitter we weren't together when i was the one who hard nexted her.
catshit69 10y ago
No woman puts you in the friendzone. You put yourself there. Period.
wtf_is_taken 10y ago
Nice, this is the kind of shit I am going to pass on to my son.
BluepillProfessor 10y ago
Friend Zoning is no more an insult than any other shit test women throw. The reports suggest that you can blow through a LJBF test by immediately and skillfully escalating.
The problem isn't that you let yourself get LJBF'd. The problem is you care if the girl insults you.
Super-Saiyajin 10y ago
Kudos on your frame and frame control!
morgansim 10y ago
Twice in my life a woman told me "I just want to be friends."
The first time was when I was 19 and I didn't very much about life. I said "yes" but I didn't work for me. I still wanted more of her and she used that for getting what she wanted. It was my mistake.
The second time was when I was 25. I answered: "No way. I want more that just being friends, so if that's what you want, find another 'friend'." I didn't see her any more until 6 months later, she called me and she said she was sorry. We were together as a couple for 2 years. If I stayed as a "friend", she wouldn't see me as worthy. Instead, for making things clear, things had a different outcome.
For two people to be friends it's required that both people want a friendship relationship. If you want something more, then, staying as a 'friend' is accepting failure and living in the Failure Zone forever, knowing that she will never ever want something with you, but with all the problems of having to do her favours because she's "your friend."
GunsGermsAndSteel 10y ago
Sometimes you get friendzoned because she thinks she can do better than you. And sometimes you get friendzoned because she just isn't attracted to your personal style, not because you have low SMV or because you are in any way unattractive or unworthy.
Everyone has preferences. For example I have a beard. Full-on, metal, Viking beard down to my chest. Some women fucking love it and drop their panties almost with no effort on my part. Other women simply are not attracted to men with beards, even though they recognize my worth as a man, they're just not into that. It's not a reflection on my SMV at all.
Gayburn-Wright 10y ago
So, point of this thread aside. A women didn't want to jump on your dick, you felt insulted, threw a tantrum and gave her the silent treatment for a decade+? Is that what I'm seeing here?
You wonderful people truly are fated to be the Übermensch.
Limekill 10y ago
The problem is not that he may of got the shits with what has occurred (unless you are a sadomasochistic and love being rejected).
The problem is that usually it's never real friendship - he wants the girl and she does not want him - so almost all the time he will start doing stuff for her and she starts to use him as a servant, such as:
Is that being a friend? No. It's him thinking he can trade doing things for an increase in attraction from her. But does that ever happen? Of course not.
Would a Übermensch be friends if they got nothing back?
Gayburn-Wright 10y ago
I concur that what sometimes happens after someone drops that "I just wanna be friends thing" is fucking terrible, p sure I'm watching a friend go through it now. Not really gonna stop him though. That's his prerogative, not mine.
An Übermensch just might, who knows. I believe expecting compensation for deeds might be a bit selfish for an Übermensch. But I dunno. I need to read more about it to fully understand it.
Limekill 10y ago
Everything in moderation - of course if you help out a friend you don't expect it back, but if you need help, there is a certain expectation, it is implied.
Most female friends of beta orbiters won't grant that help back, because they just lap up the attention, as it's about them - not about the orbiter.
Gayburn-Wright 10y ago
It is implied, but I personally wouldn't expect that help means help back even in your time of need. Although maybe you should, helps separate the friends from the fair-weather friends. Might be cheesy as fuck to reference poetry but... I quite enjoy the message of this one, I've found it to be fairly true from past and second-hand experience.
Yeah, true again about the attention shit. I'm not paying my friend and his "friend" much mind so I don't know fully but it's seeming to be the case. I personally don't think anyone should feel entitled to sex with anyone for any reason. But if it's clear that "be friends" means "do shit for me" then you probably should probably just walk away.
TRPtophan 10y ago
You are correct, the friendzone is an insult, but it is also a shit test. Standard procedure is to agree & amplify.
Her: I want to be friends.
You: Okay, let's fuck and be friends afterward.
mercuryg 10y ago
Shit test or insult, first and foremost i'd call it a rejection. It's disguised in the well wishing false olive branch of friendship, but it's ultimately a rejection, and rejections are of course rooted in her idea that she can do better than you. OP are you telling me that you're insulted every time you're rejected?
Sounds exhausting, being insulted just because she thinks she can do better than you is stupid. Whether she actually can or not is irrelevant, i still see no point i being insulted by anything that goes on inside her head.
Just the idea of being insulted by a thought is stupid, especially something as vapid and unstable as a woman's thought.
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The friend zone can indeed become the Fuck Zone these days.
"I'm not ready for a relationship."
"Who said anything about a relationship?"
etc.
It's almost too easy.
_makura2 10y ago
That's brilliant, will work especially well if she has a reddit account - she can reap so much karma from /r/cringepics.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Well, I didn'the have a fully-developed skillet at the time. That took some trial and error.
TRPtophan 10y ago
If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
HumanSockPuppet 10y ago
Cast iron is the best for bitch compliance.
I_Love_To_Antagonize 10y ago
Too many women these days have no idea how to use cast iron. I had an ex who put the fucking thing in the dishwasher.
solbrothers 10y ago
And that's why she is your ex.
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I_Love_To_Antagonize 10y ago
Take care of it, and it will last your kids a lifetime too
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SnarkyFartBlast 10y ago
Oh wow. That suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks.
Chaohinon 10y ago
not hard to reseason. I'm a chef and we have to wash all out cast iron, as much as it makes my heart hurt. Half the dishwasher's job is just reseasoning those things.
I_Love_To_Antagonize 10y ago
Yeah I mean...it wasn't a big deal. Just one of those things I thought that everyone knew. Just a sign of the times, is all. Plenty of young men don't know how to use cast iron either.
Kingoffistycuffs 10y ago
Could you do a run down then? The only reason I can think of would be rust, but I know next to nothing about cast iron cook wear.
I_Love_To_Antagonize 10y ago
Rust is exactly the issue. It's a simple fix though. Just scour it really well (steel wool, elbow grease, maybe some mild soap and water) then immediately dry it thoroughly. Then coat the whole thing, even the handle, in a small amount of vegetable or cooking oil. At this step, it's really preference what you want to use to 'season' the pan. Then you bake it in your oven.
It's really simple, and small amounts of rust aren't a problem. Just clean and reseason.
FerrusMan 10y ago
Here is what I do, for those interested. After using a cast iron skillet, use hot water to clean it. If it's dirty, I'll use coarse salt, dump some in there from your box of kosher salt, and scrub it clean, using a rag with the salt. Rinse out, and put on stove on low to evaporate out any leftover water. Finally, use a paper towel and some vegetable oil to coat it.
You can use soap, but you really shouldn't, it will rust faster if you aren't careful re-oiling it. I have used soap, but very very rarely.
1independentmale 10y ago
My understanding is that you aren't supposed to use steel wool on cast iron.
robb911 10y ago
And here I thought copper got the best reviews
chuckthundercock 10y ago
Amen. One I use is that. That's awesome. Just so you know, I fuck all my female friends.
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Nazrath2112 10y ago
Final Form Alpha doesn't give two shits about being friendzoned. Alpha awaking comes when you get friendzoned when that is not what YOU wanted. Don't blame the chick for BP pre-awaking action, use the chick as data for Post awaking action.
Kenny_Twenty 10y ago
I'd rather not adopt a victim mentality, thanks. And neither should you.
REE93 10y ago
The friendzone is like getting your dick kicked in.
You can pull it back out like a man or accept it and be a vagina.
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Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Duly noted. Your opinion is very important to me. Thank you so very much for providing it.
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Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Thank you again for your response. It is well-written and full of insight.
cover20 10y ago
Well done at the end.
The "laying it all out" was probably not helpful and perhaps harmful. Rather than telling a woman you would like to date her, isn't it smoother to suggest (not ask, almost tell) her where you can meet for that first date, not even use the word date?
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Oh, looking back I totally fucked things up.
I hadn't really honed my skill set yet.
I had the fundamentals down: be exceptional. And this alone goes a long way. I basically went from very low value to very high value over a short period of time. And, I got laid because of it. As such, I thought that was the end of the story.
It took a few more knocks to learn that real and assessed value are very different things, and that especially where women are concerned, the latter is matters.
cover20 10y ago
True. And the real skill is where you can get laid on her pussy's assessment even without "having the goods" her greedy mind wants. Or certainly not ever spending or providing significantly for her.
I never agreed with "be exceptional", that's giving too much to the woman. All you really need is a good 30 seconds to get her pussy sending her demands, and women are not some sort of truth-diviners.
Hey there's nothing wrong with being exceptional, and it's one way of making it easier to come across right for those 30 seconds. The fun is to be assessed higher than true value. This isn't what most people in this sub are making out to be "redpill" but it is consistent with what the mods say redpill is. Redpill is about sexual strategy.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
I'be always taken the "red pill" concept to be more broad. It is the choice to see things as they are, rather than as we want them to be. Seal strategy is but one component of that.
AK27ABROAD 10y ago
Recently had a discussion with a woman about this (I know, I know, I'll get shit about that, but when I say discussion I mostly listened as she hamstered her head off. It was eye-opening).
She says: "I don't understand why men are so offended by being "put in the friend zone." It's insulting, because they are saying that women's friendship isn't valuable. I'm a good friend! I help my friends, I'm kind to my friends, we have fun when we hang out! So, I don't want his dick inside me. Isn't my friendship a step up from nothing, even if he thinks it's a step down from sex?"
I honestly didn't know how to answer that, so I just said nothing. But I knew deep down she was wrong. But thank you Dark Ulfberht, at least now I have my answer. Not that I'll give it to her.
Limekill 10y ago
Isn't my friendship a step up from nothing?
No - usually it's not. Usually it is a lopsided friendship at best. And it usually involves the man doing all sorts of shit for zero (when did a girl last time help you out when you had to move apartments?).
AK27ABROAD 10y ago
Actually two girls helped me out last time I moved--- maybe didn't do much heavy lifting but they helped me clean the old place. Girls can be pretty giving I've found. I always get the sense that there are sneaky little strings attached but I've had a couple of friendships that I'd say were equal.
Drakslem 10y ago
I don't understand how some men reject the fact that being friends is something bad. In any succesfull relationship the friendship part is the most important. If you only want to have sex it's not a relationship you are looking for. Being friends with the opposite sex is no diffrence than being friends with the same sex.
watersign 10y ago
man and woman cannot be friends. no woman is your "friend"
TruckerJohn 10y ago
No dummy, being placed in the friendzone is what you deserve for having terrible game and a lack of confidence, or for trying to make a move on somebody who's clearly taken/not interested in you.
The best way to look at getting "friendzoned" is to realize it's always your fault. Look at women, there are two categories of them you have in your mind, women you'd fuck and women you wouldn't. Women have the same thing: Alphas and Betas. If you are sorted as a beta, then you are coming off as a beta and that's your own damn responsibility. The friendzone isn't an insult, it's a fucking wake-up call. You're not a victim. Stop encouraging victim mentality on this sub.
I never saw Briffault's law as unfair, either. If the standard for being desirable as a man is being the top 20% of men, that makes the game much harder, sure, but it makes the victory much sweeter. Rise to the occasion.
EDIT: Grammar/Spelling
EurasianAesthetics 10y ago
Friendzone = you're not good enough quality for her to have sex with and share a deep romantic connection with. You know, the stuff they write songs about? The stuff that makes life great? It is insulting. She's indirectly insulting your DNA, your personality - your very self as a being.
Super-Saiyajin 10y ago
Nothing worse than some bitch insulting your DNA!
EurasianAesthetics 10y ago
I know, that bitch better learn to beg for my seed like she was meant to!
Super-Saiyajin 10y ago
Millions of years of natural selection/evolution and this bitch has the audacity to question the value of my DNA? Is this real life?!?!
Vityazz 10y ago
There's nothing more emasculating than a guy in the friendzone; and it is as much a social as a physical castration, a distinction based on the impossibility of sexual context between a man and a woman. A man in the friendzone desires what he can never have, and this is reflected in his entire image, and in doing so he relinquishes his masculinity. "Women have boyfriends and girlfriends. If you’re not fucking her, you’re her girlfriend."
I'd argue it is impossible for men and women to be friends, simply because women constantly misuse and abuse the term "friend." They would stab each other in the back and would surely stab us in the back for thirty pieces of silver. "Friend" is a term of special endearment that takes years of loyalty to establish, forged in the crucibles of authenticity and loyalty. No woman can ever be a true soldier. Women can be, at best, "acquaintances" or "associates," but never more, because the whole meaning of a "friend" is built on the back of civilisation. This is why pre-feminist, particularly Anglo culture was so authentic, because people were suspicious of outright "nice" behavior and loyalties ran deep (Middle East cultures are the same way). Modern culture is completely antithetical to the once-great Anglo culture. If our forefathers could see what constitutes a man today, I'm sure they would despair at this cesspool of bastardised masculinity where the feminised man is esteemed.
LeGrandDiableBlanc 10y ago
This is the essence of it right here!
By putting yourself in a situation where you are assured not to get what you desire (due to the fact that you willfully put yourself in that position), you train yourself to believe that you are unworthy of the things that you desire! It's a script for low self esteem.
I will never put myself in a position where I am exerting effort but not getting any of my needs met (almost the definition of a toxic environment), because I genuinely feel that I am justified in ensuring that my needs are met.
SilentForTooLong 10y ago
Nietzsche said "men and women can be friends -- but there needs to be a bit of physical animosity between them."
I don't know though. Women have huge social advantages in today's society, it's worth having a few female friends in your life for a variety of non-sexual reasons I would say. I guess they would never be as close as your male friends, sure, but they're still useful to have.
cover20 10y ago
There are 2 kinds of fz: the one where the man wants sex and the woman refuses, and the one where the woman would accept sex but the man does not offer it.
The first kind is no good, you'll never have a good female friend like that. Get out of her fz or get away from her. The second kind of fz is the one where your female friends will be assets to you, pleasurable to you, an ornament to your alpha frame.
GIFtoGasm 10y ago
Great post. The second friend zone is underrated. A lot of guys on here forget about the importance of women wing men. They can serve great purpose if you allow it.
HakaseJ 10y ago
Yes, but then you are stuck looking at ugos. Men who were forced to look at ugly women had lower self-esteem. If you are suggesting that you would not provide sex to a girl you find attractive, especially when drunk, then I am calling BS.
INTPtree 10y ago
Wait, wait, wait. Hooooold up. Do some people here actually believe that there is no benefit to having women friends, or that friendships between man and women cannot exist? That's so incredibly wrong.
Yes, my best friend is male. Yes, I've been in unhealthy friend-zoned circumstances with women. However, I also have real friendship with multiple women, and neither of us have any sexual attraction to each other. You are only limiting your resources and connections with this mindset.
Vityazz 10y ago
The world is ACQUAINTANCE. You NEVER make female "friends". I have yet to meet a HVM who has platonic female friends. The women who such a man keeps are the ones he's already fucked, because men are the only real friends you actually have. Females and males are designed for procreation, not platonic attraction. Why do you think gay guys have so many female friends? And by default, if you are “friends” with a female, then one of these conditions is undoubtedly true:
A) She is below a 5
B) See option A
That said, if you know an attractive chick who you haven't fucked, have fucked and are no longer fucking, then you can either learn to walk away from people who aren’t of value to you, or use them for:
If you purposely use attractive women for your own advantage, then you gain access to her crowd and get social proof attraction. It serves zero benefit besides possibly having access to a female "friends" associate. You can turn the system further on its head and work it to your advantage even more. Any man who has forcibly friendzoned a woman who wants HIM will know that she is not be able to resist expressing her frustration to her circle of friends, who will ALL then try and fuck him to outdo their frustrated friend.
If you have attractive females around and you do anything other than the above, then have some dignity and self-respect, please.
goodbyewatch 10y ago
I've never seen someone get so salty over being rejected. Get over it man, not everyone is attracted to you.
ex_astris_sci 10y ago
True. Op should spend more time studying the science of love/attraction.
Super-Saiyajin 10y ago
Get enough cash and I bet she'd change her fucking mind ASAP!
goodbyewatch 10y ago
Yup. Gotta attract her somehow. Whether it's looks, a ton of money, or being famous. "game" is some bullshit made up for PUAs to scam losers for their own gain.
LUClEN 10y ago
Relationships are sort of transactional: one individual provides the other with something and vice versa. If a woman isn't interesting in being more than friends I wouldn't say it's an insult as much as simply disinterest.
Sell yourself elsewhere. No need to feel so bothered by it.
Wamaeno 10y ago
Correct. It is more an unintended insult by the women and has nothing to do with arrogance or actively insulting. There is no reason to feel insulted by the women, more about yourself. The post has a very negative tone towards women.
LUClEN 10y ago
I'm not sure if I see any negativity towards women.
There definitely appears to be a sort of outcome dependence that I disagree with, though. Too much value is placed on whether or not she likes him, which seems like a bad idea. Not only in the event that his investment doesn't yield the desired return, but also because of what he may be unknowingly communicating as a result of that outcome dependence.
LimboLoves 10y ago
Fuck the friend zone. It's the same thing if a girl told you "fuck off loser I want a real man" only nicer.
bushy_browz 10y ago
Yeah, no. Not all all men who are friend zoned are losers or any less of a man. I've known some men who are genuinely cool, can attract multiple girls, and are financially stable and still get put in the friend zone. They kind of just accept that every girl has their own preferences just like men do and that's okay. It doesn't necessarily make him less of a man or a loser.
goodbyewatch 10y ago
It's a girl not being attracted to you. Are you really going to get furious that not every single girl in the world wants you?
Bonnerso 10y ago
I'm with you on this. There is too much butthurt ego and this defensiveness/feeling attacked/belittled/criticized.
I think people here need to be less reactive and emotional about getting the friend zone. You (in particular) do not do it for her at the moment, or possibly ever. Is something wrong with you? No! Then something must be wrong with that bitch? No! Why is it one or the other, polar antagonistic pessimistic options?
Either ignore the friend zone, or ignore her existence entirely. There should be no bad emotions involved. She isn't worth it.
contra_nap 10y ago
The biggest problem is that we somehow refuse to believe that saying "I don't want to be friends" is the solution. It took me so many years to get to the point where I can clearly see how you get friendzoned. You need to go after what you want and tell the girl right away if she offers you something different. You want to bang her and she says "let's be friends" to you? Fuck that. State what you want and GTFO if she's not willing to give it to you. Don't waste time on uptight bitches.
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It's weird. I was once honestly okay with being friends with girls that weren't interested in me. The problem was that they just made awful friends.
Then again most women are awful at friendship.
Bronze_Bound 10y ago
Accidentally waddled into the friend zone this last summer, I was ok with it because there was more fish in the sea, but she was a horrible friend. She stood me up and I haven't talked to her since.
Sirinon 10y ago
Hey I tried that too.
I had an ex who I was "friends" with on the idea that It would help me get the interest of other girls when out clubbing, a form of social proof.
The only problem was anytime I got with a girl hotter then her she would freak out and try to prevent it, yeah great "friend"
1independentmale 10y ago
Similar, used to have a wing woman I'd go out with. She had no interest in me until I started hooking up with someone else, then she got jealous and tried to sabotage things. Not worth it.
Although damn that bitch was good for social proof. She'd find the hottest girls and bring them back to our table.
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cariboo_j 10y ago
It's only an insult if she tries to make you an orbiter and extract free shit.
Get a grip.
You actually sound like the angry neckbeard stereotype of TRP.
Some girl you had a crush on wasn't interested? Acting "Alpha" is a set of behaviours that most women find attractive. It's not some magic cheat code to drop every girls panties.
Maybe she's only into black dudes or some shit.
If you had true abundance mentality you wouldn't be so angry.
smh.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
This was quite some time ago.
Now, I just see things for what they are. There's no emotion in it. I recognize the scorpion'so nature and act accordingly.
But, my 20 year-old self had not really internalized these lessons. The result was anger, and there's nothing wrong with that. I imagine almost all men have been in a similar situation. What matters is how you deal with the emotion.
I didn't go on a rampage or even lose my cool. I just bailed, and by God, that's more than most people that age in a similar situation can muster.
cariboo_j 10y ago
Fair enough. I just think it's a mistake to take "the friendzone" too personally.
down_with_whomever 10y ago
It can be but the anger stage is necessary. He needed that motivation push him to the point where he is now, to discover the truth.
As the Terminator said, anger is more useful than sadness. If he'd just stayed sad and kept pining, he might not have gone anywhere.
I went through the same thing. Low self esteem due to my beta faggotry turned to sadness, sadness turned into anger and indignance, anger and indignance turned into motivated defiance, defiance turned into bettering myself, losing weight, running, lifting, and spinning plates.
HakaseJ 10y ago
Lol, are you joking? You think it is a good idea to continue relationships where your needs go unmet while you provide ego and emotional support to some girl that can feel desired when she needs reinforcement of her beauty when she gets kicked down by some guy she sees as better than you.
cariboo_j 10y ago
Cutting her out is fine if OP developed oneitis and needs to get over it.
However being angry and insulted is just pointless. She may have totally different criteria for evaluating smv. OP seems to think she was spitting on all his hard work of raising his smv. SMV has some generalities like looks, $ and assertivess but everyone has a unique take on it. Maybe the areas he was working on are not that important to her.
Being an orbiter sucks but it's possible she genuinely wanted to be friends and provide mutual benefit.
HakaseJ 10y ago
There is never a relationship of equivalent value, and the closest you will get is with your guy friends. Women will always act entitled toward men regardless of the level of intimacy that they have. Whether it be in spending your time waiting for them or doing what gratifies them, spending your emotional resources comforting them making them feel desired, or spending your capital on them, you will always be subordinate to their whims.
I know you justify female friendships as intrumentizing her in order to gain access to other women, yet you have to maintain a relationship where she approves of you, but does not find you to be a suitable mate for herself. This is simply not worth the hassle when you could be meeting women dozens of other ways without being the doormat of a woman that you desire yet returns your pursuit and effort with the word "friend".
I agree that getting angry is pointless. You might as well get angry at the sun for shining. It is simply a woman's nature. However, the greater context of this post is that a woman that you pursued can never be your friend, which I agree with completely. The way you worded your original response made it seem like friendship was an option, while it clearly is not. The only potential friends that are women are the ones you have no sexual attraction to, and then the question becomes, why are you talking to them?
cariboo_j 10y ago
I have 2 or 3 female friends. Mostly because of shared outdoor hobbies. But yeah most girls have pretty shallow friendships its all me me me gossip drama bullshit.
SkorchZang 10y ago
The blue pill approach you used where a guy will dump a boatload of trembling excited expectations on the girl, telling her he's been fantasizing about her and wanting to be worthy for years, was a big part of what predicated her response in the situation.
Smart money says if you instead acted like an aloof, cheery self-absorbed asshole, who never reveals his cards to her, she'd be quite intrigued and go for it herself, try to wrap you around her finger whether you want to go there or not. The same exact man with the same feature set, the only difference is how he makes "the offer", getting diametrically opposite results.
This of course takes nothing away from your hard-won insight on the friendzone, it's a tangential look at some of its causes.
motorsizzle 10y ago
I agree. If you had said nothing and just kissed her, she might have gone for it.
Good on you for telling her you weren't interested in being friends. Way to take back your power.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Oh yes. It just took me a while to understand that real and perceived value are very different things, and when women are involved, the latter and not the former is what matters.
I had spent time rising from bottom to top, and had a number of successes at that time without learning skillful interaction. In my ignorance, I assumed women would assessment value accurately.
It took a while for me to learn that,. Unfortunately, I didn't figure that out with this particular interaction. I had to fuck up a few more times, first. There was no manosphere at the time. All was trial and error.
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Fantastic. You have just explained it in one sentence. I am now offended about every time this has happened.
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cover20 10y ago
Nobody succeeds all the time, but he's not blaming anyone. He's just saying he won't spend time with that woman. If he wants to hate her for his health, that's fine. It didn't seem to come thru to her, from what he said, and if it did, it means he's not thru the anger phase, but that is just a phase and it's fine too.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Correct.
Now, this is just a good story. At the time, of course I was angry. And the truth is, anger is useful. It is fuel. But, anger must be brought under the yoke of purposefull action, otherwise it is consuming.
I was angry about many things, and for a long time. This incident was only a minor spark, really. Growing up rough will do that to a young man.
But, over time, the anger has faded. What remains is discipline and understanding, which is far more useful.
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HakaseJ 10y ago
I have no friends who are girls for this very reason. Guy friends will always be better and less complicated. Either she is hot and put you in ho-check or she is not and then why are you talking to her? Being friends with a girl is like having most of the responsibilities of a girlfriend with none of the perks.
Volapukajo 10y ago
There was a movie I saw many years ago that had a quote that stuck with me.
You can have a dog for a friend, you can have whiskey for a friend, but if you have a woman for a friend, you'll wind up drunk, sleeping with your dog.
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slideforlife 10y ago
just like she doesn't need to be into you as a romantic partner, you don't need to be into her as a friend.
elliot_rodger_92 10y ago
Hey man, I wanna start by saying that's a really shitty thing that happened to you, and you don't deserve it.
Real talk, though. There are any number of reasons why she friend-zoned you. You had your heart set on this girl, but maybe she had her heart set on someone else. Maybe she wanted to focus on her studies/career instead of dating. Maybe she didn't feel a "connection" with you. Maybe she was a lesbian. We don't really know.
Let's assume that she did think she was better than you. Then she is one instance of this. There is no real reason to apply this thinking to every single woman out there. Trends and stereotypes can be helpful, but aren't applicable to an individual.
Half true. Everyone is designed to get the best they can. I'm saying this because when something shitty happens, it's natural to look for a cause of blame. But it's not always there. Sometimes shitty things happen for no good reason and no one is to blame. Taking offense is your emotion running. Tumblrites take offense. Feminists take offense.
I'm not saying this because you should've "been friends" with her. I'm saying this because I think the truth is important to further the understanding of how everything works. If you take it personally and label her as "a superficial cunt", it might be easier mentally, but knowledge-wise, it doesn't help you. Keep an open mind.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Relevant username is relevant.
elliot_rodger_92 10y ago
Not really, it's the opposite of what he was advocating, if that's what you're referring to.
cocaine_face 10y ago
Probably a troll, but I posted something relevant anyway.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Yep. Your response was on point.
Ultimately, you learn by doing.
That means getting comfortable with fucking up and the hilarity that ensues.
cocaine_face 10y ago
Um, he absolutely did deserve it. His approach was weak, and he was rejected.
That's how it works. Taking responsibility for your actions (which he has been doing) is an important part of TRP.
And the vast, vast, vast majority (over 90%) will not fit into the categories you're expressing. It's a generalization - TRP is all about useful generalizations. Read more.
elliot_rodger_92 10y ago
I see he has been blaming the women for "friendzoning him", but whatever floats your boat.
Is there a documented study on this? Or are all your evidence as anecdotal as his?
cocaine_face 10y ago
What women? What "blame"? There's one specific woman. He says, over and over and over again throughout comments that he's responsible. He fucked up. He sees the experience as a positive one on the way to personal growth. There is a cause to blame, and it's the OP. And he knows that. Should he have felt insulted? Who the fuck cares? Did it push him to get better? It did? Great! He should have gotten insulted and angry then.
Saying "women aim for the best" doesn't mean, "women are superficial horrible people" - that's what you are inserting into the conversation. All the rest of us have accepted that women are hypergamous and we're fine with that.
The 90% is a rough heuristic. A very small number are lesbians (between 1-5%), and I'm skeptical that much more than 1% are in total monk mode or entirely dedicated to a single lothario while being single. Of all the women I've met in my life, I have met precisely one that has done monk mode, and she was a heart surgeon.
"Feeling a connection" is just a woman feeling that you've got value. That's sorta the whole point of this thread.
elliot_rodger_92 10y ago
He got rejected by one women and proceeded to project his personal conclusion to all women everywhere. Did you read his post? It was a whole wall of complaining about women and feeling insulted by women and why everyone should feel insulted by being friendzoned. It's in the title of his post.
No where did I say that... Did you read my post? I said everyone aims for the best. Everyone wants what is best for themselves and there is no point in feeling insulted over it.
enkae7317 10y ago
The whole friendzone thing is alright and all but if a girl "friendzones" you then that already means you done fucked up. This probably means that A)your game wasn't either solid enough or B) she's more accustomed to the more alpha males.
Literally, just up your game, and even if a girl goes with the whole "friendzone" shtick you can work your way around it. Some women will even friendzone you JUST to see your reaction and if they see that you waver (like what you just did) then they automatically assume you're not of high value and that you're a beta.
If you remain icy and unaffected then she'll see that you're strong and well-composed. She'll be more attracted to you. In the end, most of the time the friend zone line is an early shit test.
mickeymouseoutfit 10y ago
I live in the South (US) and there's a similar saying that goes back a while. When a sweet Southern lady shakes your hand and says, "well bless your heart." she is basically saying "fuck you!"
I look at the old "let's just be friends" trope the same way.
LordPorker 10y ago
Well done for escaping a lifetime's worth of being a hapless gimp.
My only criticism is you becoming angry, as you're breaking frame - just remain calm.
As others mentioned, women make the worst 'friends' (a term frequently abused), and they aren't loyal (get a dog instead!).
mex_rigel91 10y ago
You're not forced to stay in the friendzone if you don't like it, if you can't stand being only her friend, you can keep your distance. If you feel insulted, then it's not her fault that you are a selfish and frustrated fucker who can't stand rejection.
I also believe that this is not a valid TRP topic to discuss because, we men put girls in the friendzone too.
People have their reasons for choosing whoever they want, we must be tolerant, respectul and grateful
FNDRJ 10y ago
I've been "friendzoned" by a woman due to the fact that i was with one of her best friends beforehand and it ended pretty badly. However before all this she was all over me, even while with her friend. What do you think? ASD?
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
It's up to you. I'd bang so long as the effort and resulting drama was low.
Just remember: there are millions of women, billions, and they make new ones every day.
isthatyourdaughter 10y ago
Needs way more info
FNDRJ 10y ago
I'm not going to go into much detail, or post a whole new thread in /r/askTRP. I'm just asking OP whether he feels that this particular friendzone is considered an insult or whether he hasn't considered the ASD side of it.
DrinksCrystalKush 10y ago
You should just fuck one of her friends. Then that's how you get her jealous.
rapreaper 10y ago
Why is the objective to get her jealous?
DrinksCrystalKush 10y ago
idk go fuck a hot girls ugly friend and find out
Super-Saiyajin 10y ago
It's weird that if a woman ever did that shit to me, it'd be the complete opposite and I'd be instantly unattracted to her!
oprahsdiaphragm 10y ago
My thesis on "the friendzone" is that if you get put there, you deserve to be there.
I hit the gym 6 days a week, I work very hard, I constantly reassert that I am the best my wife can do because I'm the best at what she values in a man.
Let me take this back a few steps.
When I was younger I was that kid in highschool who sat in the back, drew pictures all the time, was a "nice guy" and it got me zero pussy. I tried to get with a bunch of girls and instead of saying "hey I'm gonna let you know I'm dtf" I said "oh if i just be nice to her, she'll get the hint."
So basically zero pussy. Anyways fast forward to when I found TRP circa 2 years ago. In that space of time between high school and the last 4-5 years I became more confident, I understood that confidence is hotter than anything and it unlocked any panties I wanted. I was confident cocky and a fun guy before but after I found TRP it basically corrected me. I knew that by being cocky, arrogant, fun, confident I was objectively pulling more and better pussy than I was but TRP made me realize why.
So to wrap it up, if you are in the "friendzone" of a girl, you deserve to be there because you are not the best version of yourself that you could be. The thing most people forget is that there is no hidden wardrobe exit to the friendzone. You get put there, you stay there and that is that. I commend guys who break out of the friendzone because they have managed to do the impossible (which is change a woman's mind) but at the same time, if you wind up there, you deserve to be there.
skiier23 10y ago
this should be part of the required reading that goes on the side bar on the right side of the page.
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monsieurhire2 10y ago
"My sadness immediately turned to anger. And so I said something that would have been unfathomable years before: 'I'm not interested in being friends.'"
Bro, I know that feel, but you don't ever want to make anger-based decisions. Is it really in your best interest to have less "friends?" Now, granted, the friendship would have been one-way, but the advantage to staying on good terms with a high-value woman, is that they know other high-value women. She could have been useful to you as a pivot. Also, by taking the apparent rejection poorly, you "prove" to her that she was right about you all along, that you're "weak" and therefore unworthy. A "real" man would have taken it gracefully and stayed on good terms, while then finding himself someone as good or better, at which point she then has the option of "stealing" you back when she gets jealous. A friendship can be a foot in the door . . . but only if you are sincere in your willingness to leave. However, once someone has initially rejected you, it would be hard to believe that any future interest would be genuine and not a move of desperation. Personally, I DQ any woman that signals anything remotely resembling rejection, even if she later shows interest. I just don't trust that later interest because I always wonder "What changed?"
Something to keep in mind if this situation arises in the future.
Edit: I've done stuff like this and had regrets at myself for not being stoic, iron-willed and machiavellian enough. You can always pursue other women while your remain "friends." I've also seen women do this to me, where they trot out some schlub to see if it will make me jealous while I remain as impassive as possible.
Yangel 10y ago
I dunno about you man, but I've never had a woman do that for me. Wouldn't even introduce me to her gay friends. :/
monsieurhire2 10y ago
These situations are tricky, no doubt. You may not get a formal introduction, but you have a pretext to walk up with a big fake smile on your face and get your foot in the door with a group of girls. Someone who won't acknowledge you socially is not your friend. Also, keep in mind, that at least in the United States, there is NO formal observed social etiquette. It's all very ad hoc and haphazard. It used to infuriate me, and I actually ended friendships with guys over it because I viewed it as a completely slimy tactic. I'd introduce a guy friend to some girls, but he wouldn't do the same for me because he was afraid of the competition, although he would never admit it. He was shorter than me, and kind of effeminate, so he viewed me as a threat no doubt.
The converse point is that by telling someone you don't like them, don't want to be their friend, don't want anything to do with them unless X or Y condition are met, you are basically burning a bridge. That person, foreverafter, will have an opinion of you tainted by that episode. Now granted, they may not have had a high opinion of you in the first place, but now you have given them clear confirmation and justification for having a low opinion, whereas had you bore the slight gracefully, they'd at least be impressed with your stoicism, and perhaps revise their opinion.
tldr: Don't make enemies unnecessarily; stay on good terms with people, even if they disappoint you.
foldpak111 10y ago
You can use high value women that put you in the friendzone to manipulate other high value women into believing you're a high value man. I used to always hang out with women who friendzoned me as a gateway to meeting other women. A lot of my buddies actually believed I was fucking the women who friendzoned me, so this turned into higher social status among my male peers. I remember post about what women find most attractive for short term mating, andsocial status was a couple points above musculature and aggression. It's all about how good your game is and your ability to manipulate others.
cover20 10y ago
I've never had the experience of being friendzoned by a woman but having her still usable as a wing-woman. Different experiences I guess but I can't relate to that.
RealRational 10y ago
His entire post wreaks of emotion, everything he talks about is motivated by how he feels. Like a child.
Emotion is never a good basis for decision making. Necessary for socialization, but you don't socialize with women, after-all they're "the oldest teenager in the house". They're kids, not equals.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Of course there is emotion. Rejection by someone whose opinion you once valued will cause emotion; it's natural, especially when you are young.
Stoicism isn't, "no emotion." It is, "overcome emotion in one's actions."
RealRational 10y ago
you misunderstand, read the second paragraph I wrote. I don't ever say you shouldn't have or feel emotions.
cover20 10y ago
Exactly.
I would say you are still somewhere in the hate-phase. It's normal, I was there too, everyone says they were. It will pass. You are past the hard part and you will have more and more fun!
foldpak111 10y ago
Getting emotional will fuck you up, kind of like former CFO Adam Smith. Guy was making 200k and had 1 million in savings, emotionally attacked a Chik-Fil-A employee, and lost everything.
nicethingyoucanthave 10y ago
Wow. Did not know about this: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/03/29/adam-smith-chick-fil-a-video-memoir/70629290/
RealRational 10y ago
Society allows women to express their emotions, but punishes men for it. Better to learn to control them on little shit so bigger shit is easier to handle. At the same time, if you just suppress it, and don't process them, that will fuck you up too.
As usual, men get the shit covered pointy end of the short stick and are expected to say thank you.
Didn't know about that Chik fil a guy, too bad. At this point though, just another statistic. Victim of the female imperative.
foldpak111 10y ago
That is why you come to TRP to discuss things. Here, you can get it all out, no matter what it is and you won't have your life ruined. If only he knew about the red pill.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
A friendship with a woman, unless motivated by business or family interest, is all but useless.
That was ultimately the conclusion I came to. Why invest in something where you stand to gain so little?
dr_warlock 10y ago
That's not friendship; that's an alliance. Two people that coincidentally have the same goals at a particular moment and decide to work together to accomplish it.
benzamtrp 10y ago
Fuck man. You're deep in the anger phase aren't you?
Friendships with women have HUGE benefits. Networking, preselection, wingmanship, game practice...
LoreTaker 10y ago
Or you get a friend out of it. You know those people you trust and hang out with sometimes.
monsieurhire2 10y ago
By "friendship," I mean stay on good terms with, not help move furniture, listen to incessant bitching, or one way purchasing of gifts and services. Telling someone you don't want to be their friend is burning a bridge.
whatsazipper 10y ago
Sometimes it's necessary, especially with women. They demand much but provide very little. They're often deadweight if you aren't fucking them. Why bother with 'friendship'? I have no problem being friendly, but the fake, superficial friendships of women and having to enforce boundaries with them as they test against it, strike me as a monumental waste of time.
Unless you have a clear way to gain through them, there's no real point.
down_with_whomever 10y ago
I get your sentiment but I've derived tremendous benefit from friendships with women. That really outwardly nice, shy fat girl that you wouldn't fuck? She is a very useful friend to have. Most girls won't do shit for you. This one will clean your house for you and not expect anything in return because she's just excited that you're paying attention to her.
I've had female friends of mine actually set me up with their friends for sex on more than one occasion.
I wouldn't stick around a girl that had shunned me and it pissed me off, just as you didn't.
But there are plenty of benefits to be derived from knowing how to handle girls that you're not aiming to sleep with.
Super-Saiyajin 10y ago
You sound like the woman in the OP's story....
gopher_glitz 10y ago
All but useless unless she hooks you up with her friend. Pivots man, pivots.
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
I find this to be rare. Women want the best. If one woman introduces you to her group and makes it clear she has no interest in you, it immediately lowers your value.
At the time this story took place, I was doing well-enough on without her assistance. I stood to gain little from her presence except the potential for knocking me off my game due to oneitis.
Super-Saiyajin 10y ago
Let me put my $0.02 in.
If you had remained friends after you confessed to her, her friends would have eventually asked her (not while you are there) why you two aren't "fucking." It is at this point where it's over before it even began!
However, this would have been a different scenario if you had done the following instead:
Live and learn right?
disniggatrollin 10y ago
A woman will only hook you up with her (cute) friends if she wants to fuck you herself. My buddy's gf does this all the time. She's fucking me vicariously through her friends.
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TerryYockey 10y ago
So if you ask a girl that you know to hook you up with one of her friends, and she claims she "has no female friends" (she is lying, and has a lot of them), she's basically saying... what exactly?
disniggatrollin 10y ago
You should start a thread about this. What I'll say is that it's not good. Either she really has no close female friends, because she's a cockpit, or she does and doesn't deem you worthy.
TerryYockey 10y ago
She had a ton of female friends, most of whom worked with her at Jamba Juice. I found this out later, though. It would have been better if she had just simply said, "I don't have any female friends I can hook you up with".
_makura2 10y ago
And all you sad idiots who come on here and lie about all the hot girls you're bedding, aren't you just trying to get the best you can? Projecting your own insecurities much?
benzamtrp 10y ago
You don't get it. The LJBF excuse is just a way for the girl to tell you she's not getting the tingles with you. She doesn't feel you are AF. But you may do as BB so keep providing that friendly attention.
That's not an insult, that's a feedback
cover20 10y ago
Sounds exactly like what he said. A woman classifies men as "tingles" or "no tingles". "Hatred" is reserved for other women, so those are the only 2 categories you'll get as a man. (Pretty cool to be a man, it makes interacting with women much easier!) If she puts you in "no tingles", that's the worse of the two so it's an insult.
benzamtrp 10y ago
I disagree on two points with OP:
One: He said his interpretation of the LJBF excuse is:
That's not unconscious "tingles or not tingles" dichotomy classification to me. OP seems to think that girl rationally assess the status of a male over others. They don't. They feel something or they don't.
Two: Insulting someone is showing disrespect, disdain. If a girl doesn't feel the tingles, it's not her fault. She's not going to force herself being with someone she doesn't feel anything for. If anything, you've been a good friend to her and since she doesn't feel the tingles, she would like you to stay a good friend to her. How disrespectful is that? There is no disrespect in an LJBF/friendzone, just a statement that you "didn't get it".
People here who claim to have taken the red pill, take a good hard look at yourself in your blue pill days and remind you of all the times you've been friendzoned... Do you feel anger because you feel that you've been insulted all these times, or do you feel amused because now you can see how your behavior led to this outcome? I used to be butthurt at all my friendzones. I used to think "she didn't deserve me!!!". Now I chuckle at myself, I think "Poor chump, you really didn't have a clue on the workings of women's mind.."
Dark-Ulfberht 10y ago
Now, I'm amused and in fact thankful because it is a great story.
Then, I was pissed.
Everything has its place and time. Being angry can be very useful.
john1443 10y ago
Let's be clear here. She did not reject you because she thinks she can do better. She clearly rejected you because she wanted you to be friends just like she thought you were for years.
That being said, if all you wanted was to fuck her, then it's alright to dump her because of this.
busyalterego 10y ago
Yeah, right, like she didn't know. Poor innocent victim she is.
Fuck white knights.
john1443 10y ago
No, I never said she was a victim. I am just saying don't blame it on the girl if you fucked up yourself. Don't fucking wait years to improve. Don't fucking wait years to show her your intentions.
cover20 10y ago
And he's changing status. Guys can change. I've had women upgrade me before, as I was figuring this stuff out and applying my new style. It's explicit.
Most guys can't get out of the fz because they don't change. If you change, the woman may resist cognitively but eventually her pussy will demand that she try to keep you.
cocaine_face 10y ago
I can confirm. When I was first discovering PUA and getting good with girls, girls that had rejected me or only been moderately interested before started showing a great deal more attention. It is -very- explicit. I even slept with one of them.
cocaine_face 10y ago
No, she rejected him because she thought she could do better.
If OP suddenly became a multimillionaire Hollywood actor or tech CEO, and got ripped as well, do you think that this young woman would tell him she, "Only sees him as a friend"?
The idea is ridiculous on its face.
whatsazipper 10y ago
Some men remain fooled by the hamster.
john1443 10y ago
Well, yes and no.
It's true that she would probably try to woo him if he gets ridiculously attractive/successful. That's not the point. I don't deny that she thinks she can do better. I deny that this is the reason she rejected him. I believe you would do the same. Here is an example:
Say you have a female friend, a 5. You don't find her particularly attractive, because she is a little overweight. But she is nice. So you keep her around as a friend. Over the years, she realizes that she needs to lose weight. With all the weight lost she is a 7 all of a sudden. Nothing special, but a lot more attractive. She tells you she secretly had a crush on you for years, and now that she feels worthy of you, she wants to date you. Even though you might plate her if she were outside of your social circle, you would not want to fuck up your social circle over a 7. If, however, she turned out a 9 or 10 (questionable, but let's assume that is the case), you would think about it twice. Sure, you could do better. But the reason you don't plate her is that you were friends for years, not because you want to insult her.
sway_usa 10y ago
At least we'd be honest about it, whereas they refuse.