As TRP continues to grow and expand and attract new men, so comes along blue pilled ideologies, principles and lifestyles that appear to be red pilled on the surface but upon deeper examination are actually blue pilled behaviors that keep men trapped in the pit of beta misery.
No Fap
I have no idea why so many claim No Fap is a red pilled lifestyle. It seems like I can't go an hour here at TRP without seeing someone post about the great virtues of NoFap and to be circle jerked and upvoted in mass by other NoFap drones. NoFap is simply bro science combined with male shaming to make incels seem like they are accomplishing something while gaining all of these mythical benefits. You know who doesn't need NoFap? Non incels. Men with options and abundance mentality. They have sex. Regularly. And if they need to rub one out, they do it, because they don't pedestalize the act of masturbation and make it taboo.
The issue with NoFap isn't masturbation. NoFap drones tell you that masturbation is bad, its evil and it should be avoided. No, the issue is porn addiction. Porn addiction and masturbation are two separate issues. Defeating your porn addiction and stop viewing porn is noble and should be a cornerstone of any red pilled man. Porn is for losers. But there is nothing wrong with the act of masturbation. If you are regularly having sex, you should have no need to masturbate, but if you feel the need to rub one out, go ahead and do it without the porn. There is nothing wrong with this. It's normal. NoFap simply pedestalizes the act of masturbation, and causes it to be on your mind all the time regardless of whether or not you are doing so. Sound familiar?
MGTOW
MGTOW is another lifestyle that wrongly gets lumped in with TRP. In my opinion there is nothing more beta than MGTOW. MGTOW men are simply men who celebrate the fact they are incel rather than be shamed about it.
If you lead a successful red pilled life, you should have no problem attracting women and having options, and in turn a good sex life. Sex is normal - we men are hardwired to want to spread our seed as much as possible. Having sex with women is what we are wired to do. Denying yourself of that is going against your nature. Sex is great - especially sex with women who are into you. Why would you voluntarily want to walk away from that?
I always hear a lot of MGTOW men claim that they were very successful with women and had sex with 15 different HB10 super models every day, yet just went MGTOW because they were tired of women. I call bullshit. That's about as believable as a man walking away from a billion dollars because he "doesn't care about money". If you are successful sexually you will not want to walk away from it all. It takes time and effort to build up a successful sex life, why would a man want to walk away from it?
MGTOW is male hamstering for quitters who need a way to justify themselves and feel good about themselves for giving up. It has a nice ring to it and on the surface sounds like great justification for exiting the sexual marketplace. "Yeah! Fuck Women! MGTOW! I don't need women!" Are you trying to convince others, or yourself?
PUA
For some reason so many ignorant types think PUA and TRP are the same thing. They aren't.
I understand the ignorance from betas outside the community who routinely put down TRP by intermingling it with PUA. But there is no excuse for those of you within the community to think PUA is a red pilled behavior/lifestyle. And yet, this sub is flooded with PUA garbage all the time as if the two ideologies are the same.
The problem with PUA is that the mission is not yourself, the mission is women. Self improvement, lifting, etc. has no place in PUA. PUA still puts the women on the pedestal. The difference between PUA and TRP? Try this analogy: PUA is about doing what it takes to climb up the pedestal to get to her. TRP is about walking away from the pedestal and getting her to come down from the pedestal and follow you.
PUA is toxic because it allows men to tell themselves "There is nothing wrong with me, I am fine as I am, I don't have to lift, I don't have to eat right, I just need to do some voodoo psychology and that will allow me to bed women". The problem is that it doesn't make you desirable to women. You become desirable to women by self improvement and making yourself a better, masculine, confident man. If your mission is simply women(and that is the ultimate end game of PUA) than your success or failure is defined by women. Ultimately that is putting pussy on the pedestal. Your success or failure should be defined by yourself, not a woman.
Returning to Exes
Not a day goes by on AskTRP, or even here on the main sub, where some poster, obviously fishing for confirmation bias, posts about how he ran into his ex, or his ex hit him up, and then asks what to do. And right on cue every time the OP gets replies saying shit like "Plate her" or "Go have sex with her". Anyone who is truly red pilled knows the answer is actually "Go no contact and avoid at all costs" but that's not why these OP's post such questions. They post the questions looking for responses telling them to go after her, that way they can do it and justify it to themselves "Well TRP said to go after her, so by golly I will take their advice and do just that!!!" They post the questions LOOKING for that response and will ignore any response telling them to avoid her, because they still have oneitis and want to hamster up a reason to contact her again, hoping to gain the full faith and support of TRP in doing so.
Returning to exes is never wise, even if its just plating or a one night stand. You are better off 100% of the time cultivating new relationships and meeting new women. In a planet of 3.5 billion women, it is not red pilled to root through the garbage. It's oneitis.
Social Media
I always hear guys on here tell others that they need to be on social media for "social proof". And that there is nothing wrong with hitting girls up on social media.
Social media takes the 80/20 rule and turns it into the 99/1 rule. Almost every guy on social media will be AMOGed. In order to have a social media profile work in your favor, you basically have to be in the Top 1% of Top 1% of men. Otherwise you are just another fish in the vast blue sea that won't stand out to women. Social media accounts won't generate attraction. You are better off simply deleting your accounts and not playing the game. Be the mysterious guy without it. Not having social media drives women nuts(in a good way). Besides, the more a woman learns about you, the less attracted she will be. Remain mysterious.
I also laugh at all the guys here on TRP who claim they message random women they have never met on social media all the time and have a lot of sex with these randoms. In order for that to be believable, I am guessing these women they end up bagging are ugly or land whales. Because any woman on social media who is an HB6 or better will have 100+ messages per day from thirsty men flooding her inbox. What makes you possibly believe you will stand out by also doing the same thing a hundred other men are doing and messaging her? Not only does she have 100 thirsty men messaging her per day on social media, she probably also has dozens of thirsty male options in real life that are willing to meet up with her and bang her on a moment's notice. So you are telling me you message these women out of nowhere, and out of all the male options she has, she picks the random social media stranger she has never met to hang out with and fuck? Yeah, no. These are the types of lies propagated around here that cause men to make the wrong decisions.
You are better off meeting women in person.
Bodyweight Fitness
There is nothing wrong with bodyweight fitness, but it should only be a complete and total last resort for any man. I always see so many of you guys making hamstering excuses as to why you can't sack up and join a real gym and therefore have to do bodyweight fitness. 99% of the excuses are bullshit and are just hamstering excuses to not man up and lift heavy at a real gym. Yet, so many of you recommend it to people here. I always see AskTRP posts saying "Can I do calisthenics instead of weight lifting?" with a conga line of answers saying "Why of course you can!". My natural response to that is "Why calisthenics over weight lifting?" because most men have the option to do both.
Any man 16 years old or older has access to a gym. If you are in high school, play a sport at your school so you get access to it. If you are out of high school, get a job so you can pay a paltry gym membership. Seriously, I pay $20 a month for a damn good gym. Your bullshit excuses just don't hold water.
If you fall into that 1% of men who actually has a valid reason as to why you can't join a real gym with real weights, bodyweight fitness is fine for a temporary stop gap measure until you can join a real gym. Your #1 goal and priority then should be to put yourself in a situation to where you can join a real gym.
Conclusion
A lot of this will be controversial, but the 6 behaviors I listed are all pitfalls for men in their TRP journey and can send you down the wrong path.
Ironic_Gangster 6y ago
To my understanding TRP is a body of knowledge. PUA and MGTOW are both children of TRP, both with very different interpretations. PUA would be adaptation, MGTOW being quitting/isolation. However, I would like to point out how hilarious it is that RSD's target market consists of helpless beta's who have zero chance of redeeming themselves and becoming attractive.
Frenchy100 6y ago
I bet you can't do a single one arm push-up feet together
ianpac 6y ago
The OP lists BP behaviors then falls for one himself. The idea that you should spend thousands of hours lifting weights in a gym to build muscle to attract women is BP behavior. RP de-pedestalizes women, it is about freeing your mind from social propaganda. Your goal is to be fit and healthy and how you reach that goal is your choice. Playing sports would be a better choice for most.
Secondly MGTOW is the ultimate RP. Yes incels will be attracted to it but that is not what MGTOW is about. If you accept AWALT as fact then there is no point in LTRs as women can only bring long term misery not happiness.
MGTOWs do not see women as conquests or care about SMV ratings, MGTOWs see women as friends with benefits. The focus is on personal achievement and happiness which means women are kept on the sidelines since their interest in men is only to access men's utility.
RP knowledge sets you free. Anything which maintains women on pedestals means you are still enslaved to the system. You are perfectly entitled to do so but don't claim you are more RP than those who have decoupled from social expectations and pressures.
tonyduc367 6y ago
go orgasm u faggot and fight me in ring after 15 minute. I promise your "healthy fap" will destroy you in ring because I didnt fap. Gl faggot beta.
MrSaiyan_333_ 6y ago
"The problem with PUA is that the mission is not yourself, the mission is women. Self improvement, lifting, etc. has no place in PUA. PUA still puts the women on the pedestal."
You misunderstand the real purpose of PUA. It's a way to mastery and self-improvement through meeting women. But meeting and picking up women is only a tool and/or side effect not the end goal itself.
"PUA is toxic because it allows men to tell themselves "There is nothing wrong with me, I am fine as I am, I don't have to lift, I don't have to eat right, I just need to do some voodoo psychology and that will allow me to bed women"."
Who said that? All legit PUAs advocate that you should improve yourself in these areas, too. Tyler talks about working out and eating healthy 24/7. Let's forget the 90's Ross Jeffries pre-PUA woodoo bullshit, that's obsolete. Even Mystery realized that PUA is about building a life not just picking up women (sadly he couldn't take his own advice).
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Nofap has 2 streams. Semen retention and pornography's effect on the brain. I think the former is mostly bunk (maybe short term) the later seems to be quite frightening.
Part of dopamine dependence is that we no longer get the same reward for doing things that in reality is quite risky. But that is our role as men, we put the cock in cocksure, our testosterone fuels risk/reward behavior. Some of us get blown up in the process and some of us get to breed.
AllahHatesFags 6y ago
There are two types of MGTOW:
The pump-and-dump brigade who are alpha and still have sex with women but refuse to get into any LTR.
The social media depends on what social media you are talking about. Facebook, Instagram, and things like that are fucking cancer and should be avoided. If it's just a hookup app like Tinder that's different.
RunThroughKing 6y ago
If you can’t get it your way it’s not worth it ...OP got the wisdom you rarely find on these subs
Work out stop being a bitch
Delete social media
Stop changing your likes and interests for females
Once she’s an ex she stays that way pussy is not that valuable
[deleted] 6y ago
Bodyweight fitness is only comparable if you really work out lol. Doing some push ups is not working out at the same level as lifting, you have to really go for it. Military style workouts like burpees and bear crawls are better examples
the_real_lunch_box 6y ago
i up-voted 2 sentences in. I was thinking the same things. TRP is flooded with PUA related things. Sure TRP is about self improvement and woman are part of the reason most of us are here. But i see so many guys focusing on the PUA aspect of this. Become a better man it takes time, and yeah its lonely too. TRP is firstly about becoming a more masculine better man and taking life by the horns, not about bagging chicks. LIFT!
Kash1sh 6y ago
Stupid ass post who UPVOTES this shit?
dzkkne 6y ago
who fucking cares, do whatever you want...
I fap when I want, and don't when I know I am meeting a girl so need to be on top of my game.
PUA's have some good stuff to learn from to apply in clubs etc, it's pure tactics as opposed TRP being a strategy.
Social Media is fine if you use it for your own purposes - engage with long distance friends to arrange that trip to US or Europe next summer. Or warm up a pussy for the next weekend so you are on her mind. If you not good at using Social Media, then learn. Stop acting but-hurt about seeing boobies on your instafeed.
You clearly don't know much about gym and body-weight exercises. Don't be a gym rat, be an athlete. As an athlete you learn to use whatever works to make you better. Body-weight stuff works just as well as weights. Have slightly different applications and purposes though.
MGTOW, yea agree. Whatever that is... men should be going their own way anyway. Not sure how they managed to turn it in to MGAFW - Men Going Away From Women lol.
Please stop these binary thinking posts on TRP, doesn't really help. No enlightenment detected here... Probably the next post I will see on TRP will be along the lines of "all women are sluts...FR", tired of this.. black and white shit
sigma_fi 6y ago
Exactly. Part of being Alpha is doing what you feel is appropriate for the situation. Can't believe of something less Alpha than undoubtedly following 6 behaviors from a post of reddit. Regardless of how much the behaviors make sense, things aren't black and white and you should be the judge of what should be most appropriate for you. That's the whole reasoning behind frame. Living YOUR reality, not what a subreddit tells you to do.
we_are_compromised 6y ago
MGTOW men are not necessarily MGAFW. I know MGTOW men who date and have sex with women.
MGTOW men are not necessarily hermit/monk/herbivore men. You cannot take that label away from those who wish to live their lives that way just like you can't stop someone who identifies with your political party but has totally contradictory values from using that party label for themselves. MGTOW men are very diverse. The whole point is to take what you personally find useful in the lifestyle philosophy that is MGTOW and leave what you don't. Do whatever the fuck you want. Use the label if you want, or just stay stealth. Outcomes will vary.
ryantheman2 6y ago
Totally agree binary thinking is toxic.
fart2swim124 6y ago
I'm surprised and disappointed this wasn't part of his list
TheStumblingWolf 6y ago
I think it can serve as a necessary stepping stone as long as you know that's what it is (and I admit I think most newcomers don't).
Forgot_Pword 6y ago
"Binary thinking is always toxic" lol.
Thought it was a great post. Would read again.
Shaman6624 6y ago
That's because you probably don't know shit about what he's talking about and just suck it up like it's the truth.
WeedDaddy 6y ago
That's what gender activists too say... lol
Shaman6624 6y ago
This is not a correct argument it's an ad hominem respons. Just because gender activists might say it doesn't mean it's not true.
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SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 6y ago
Some of the psychological effects of social media are out of our control.
[deleted] 6y ago
MGTOW is one of the best ways to learn how to stop pedestalizing pussy and stop being a slave to it.
There's nothing to say you have to remove women entirely from your life, that is only one part of the overall spectrum of the community/movement.
An Alpha MGTOW is a guy that resembles a lone wolf. He isn't married or hitched up so he can travel the world, has more money, can go out and party, has nice things - if he wants to breed he can get a surrogacy arrangement.
He focuses on freedom first, women 6th or 7th.
I think the distinction here between TRP is that he is less invested in actual game or pussy as the outcome. He is more focused on being himself and finding what he wants in life, with pussy on the side.
[deleted] 6y ago
People simply try to sterotype "MGTOW". Mgtow is actually neutral. It is bad if used as an excuse to not improve until you are worthy of pussy. It is good if its simply about valuing yourself and your life way above women.
So INCELs try to use Mgtow as an excuse while your described Lone Wolf simply lives it by not giving a fuck attitude. Neither one of them is the true MGTOW. They both are, but therefore you can't say all MGTOW is red or bluepill. Cause it can be both.
francisco_DANKonia 6y ago
While a MGTOW does not put pussy on a pedestal, he also doesn't go out and learn how to get laid. In order to get pussy you have to want it. Deciding you don't want it does not help the ultimate issue, but it does shield one's ego from failure.
[deleted] 6y ago
Being MGTOW one does no longer need to 'learn how to get it' to get it.
Being confidently and proudly independent, at least in my experience, has been more than enough. Being able to walk away, not put up with their bullshit, not fear any loss of pussy ironically draws it in.
I think a man must be strong to truly be MGTOW. Then you get the others who are not really MGTOW at all, but incel and pretending.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
By that definition, I'm a MGTOW, but I've never self-identified as one.
Some niggas in here spend too much time arguing about semantics, and not enough time out there actually living.
we_are_compromised 6y ago
Exactly. This sub used to be about sharing your own values and lifestyles choices and explaining them to others so that less experienced men do not have to make the same mistakes in their life as you did. Now it has become extremely dogmatic and is filled with spergs like OP trying to tell everyone else how to define terms and gatekeep. It's pathetic.
AlfredKinsey 6y ago
haha, is spergs short for, like, dudes with Aperger's?
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dzkkne 6y ago
For me distinction between RP man and MGTOW is very simple - you go MGTOW because you can't get any pussy.
I like pussy - I go for it, I develop ways of getting it and I enjoy it. If I don't get it enough - that means I need to improve. The moment I stop enjoying this whole process or get bored - I will focus on other things. Also, there are moments when I stop dating or take a break because I need to pay attention to other things for a while i.e. career, self-care. Once it's back on cruise control - back to gaming pussy. It is a lot of fun, I don't know what more you want from life...
Same applies to your body and everything i.e. money. I want abs - I gonna work for them. I not gonna go MGTOW out of the gym, because I worked out and didn't get abs as quick as I wished.
I think the key is to know you are not "going your own way" because you lost and feeling butt-hurt.
And wtf is freedom? What do you need it for? Big words, but doesn't make much sense.
Let's get things straight - young guys enjoy having pussy, earning money, hanging outwith friends, lifting and getting that body that give you even more pussy and ability to do sports you want better. Once you are tired of improving in these dimensions - move on - kids, family and other more profound things older people tend to give a lot of importance to. That's what Rollo is talking about that man's peak years are 35-45. No point trying to peak at 25. I am speaking just from my young male perspective... Doesn't apply to all.
erkomap 6y ago
That's a lot of bullshit right there.
dzkkne 6y ago
Ok then. Tell me what is a difference between a man who fully exercises RP principles and a man who is MGTOW. Why would a man living RP life describe himself as MGTOW?
I think we have a collision/overlap between these terms. If you watch any RP vloggers on youtube i.e. Entrepreneurs in Cars - this is exactly how they describe MGTOW. There is no way going around it - the term MGTOW implies a man who is willingly avoiding/abandoning pursuit of women (which is natural for men). It is like the moment I tell you "I am going teetotal, not interested in drinking anymore" - you know I have a bad relationship with alcohol which I struggle to control at some level.
If you gonna say MGTOW is a man who does what he wants and doesn't solely concentrate on women - that is what an RP man is anyway.
Women is just part of your life just like gym and work (career) is. Why there is no term for men who GTOW from being jacked and working on their career?
erkomap 6y ago
The difference is that RP men go to the gym to "get abs and fuck chicks" and MGTOW guy goes to the gym because he wants to be healthy and because it satisfies him.
Basically MGTOW is a guy living a life the way he wants to, without giving a fuck about "nature of men" or rules of society. RP guys just "improve" themselves to be attractive to women and that is beta as fuck.
MGTOW is the ultimate RP. RP guys know how to handle a girl and what they need to do in order for them to "beat the hypergamy", MGTOW guys just don't want to go through all that shit because in the end the effort is not worth the prize.
dzkkne 6y ago
whenever you say "all that shit" shows your inability to handle it, because you failed somewhere. And it's ok - you could have had quite a bit of success, just tired of it. It doesn't mean everyone should go MGTOW - especially young guys. It just doesn't make sense. You can't shortcut your life from puberty to being old straightaway - life is for living and not being afraid to fail, multiple times.
What about getting abs because its healthy and you also get to fuck more chics? You can't separate these two - you will get both either-way.
What's worth the prize is up to you personally to decide. i.e. I like running, I am ready to sacrifice certain things to get faster which might sound absurd for others. Right or wrong?
no black and white
erkomap 6y ago
I just don't see the satisfaction in fucking every piece of meat that comes your way. I'm 22 and I had 3 long relationships and a nice amount of one night stands back in the time I worked downtown. It didn't satisfy me, emotionally, physically and monetary. To be honest if I had this mentality back when i was 16 and started fucking around I would be a lot more successful. I belive that young people can benefit the most from MGTOW. Beign a guy means that you get to fuck young girls even when you are 30-35. Young dudes should sacrifice something meaningless such as fucking girls and devote themselves to their education, carreer and hobbies. Fucking women is easy when you have your shit together.
Now I'm not saying that MGTOW is right and everyone else is wrong. They are wrong in my opinion, but my opinion is just that, mine. If you don't agree with MGTOW don't try to shame on men that have that mentality, live your life the way you want it and don't behave like a spoiled woman.
fromthecrypt8 6y ago
I agree with your points, but I also think that there is some validity in OPs post in that alot of posts on here seem to be confusing or mixing other ideas with trp. If anything, it’s important to remind the community of that once in a while so that trp doesnt get too diluted.
PIGamer86 6y ago
"who fucking cares, do whatever you want..."
Pure uncut redpill.
Ridicatlthrowaway 6y ago
Exactly, PUA by itself is cancer, no doubt, but it is no different than taking a public speaking course if you sucked at bar pick-up just as much as you suck at public speaking. There are hundreds of different ways to interact with the opposite sex, just like there are hundreds of different ways to speak publically.
But TRP for a lifestyle totally trumps PUA as a lifestyle.
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awaken471 6y ago
I enjoyed your line of thought. what's your thought on posting up pictures and stuff on social media and the mystery thing that goes away?
dzkkne 6y ago
If you have time for it and you like taking pictures of the stuff you enjoy doing - why not? Who am I to tell you not to?
I like certain sports and nature photography, when I travel I will take a lot of shots and then share the pictures on my insta - mostly pictures of me running in the mountains, picturesque views and other stuff I think was cool. I also follow people who inspire me and give me ideas for shots. Sometimes I get bored of it and stop and revisit it when I feel like I would enjoy it again. No obsession, amateur level.
What I get out of it? - quite a few times, friends/random people would hit me up asking about my last trip - we would talk and organise to meet up and they would ask me if they can join or if I want to go together.
I don't do selfies in a gym etc. May be will do once when I cut and get kick ass abs - good for tinder etc.
I don't know why everyone is whining about seeing girls on Insta, then realising they can't fuck them rightnow and go write a posts about "Social Media is for losers bla bla bla beta bucks, validation tool". Wtf did you expect? Do what you want, don't bs yourself. If you get so worked up about seeing naked chics on social media and it hurts your SMV, then obviously don't do it. You can't handle it. Doesn't mean I can't handle it.
If I feel it gets too much - delete Insta, tinder, snapchat for a few weeks and concentrate on what you have to do...
No BS approach - as usual.
kelticslob 6y ago
Yeah...no, it doesn’t. Unless your goal is to remain a scrawny fuck.
dzkkne 6y ago
Not everyone has problems gaining muscle man... If your natural physique is of skinny bitch, too bad you weren't born a girl. You will have to eat 3 times as me and lift non-stop just to maintain.
For myself, I am happy with a good lean V shape upper body and well built legs - i.e. swimmers physique. Do wtf you want man and what works for you.
Orsick 6y ago
Your muscles don't know if you're lifting iron or bodyweight. You can build muscle by 3 differents way, and only one of them is dependent on how much weight you actually lift.
TheRedPillMonkey 6y ago
I think you are on point.
I'll add that I think fap, and NoFap are both tools, not ways of life. I fap when I'm horny but don't have time to slam and need to focus on work. I used NoFap to kick a porn addiction. If I NoFap for 30 days, I won't want to watch porn.
Guess what, eventually I fapped, but not due to porn, because of need. I didn't even need porn to fap that time.
Both are tools.. neither to be avoided or to made a rule of life.
deadassfinna 6y ago
If you read a book called sperm wars you will find fapping or at least ejaculating is necessary to shed old sperm (3 to 6 days) and replace with new, fitter sperm
AlfredKinsey 6y ago
I hope no one here is trying to knock a girl up with fitter sperm. You can definitely derive a different personal energy and focus when you avoid ejaculation for a long period of time.
unhealthy1 6y ago
Lol i agree. I dont understand MGTOW or munk mode for that matter. I think establishing a base line is most important though.
Establishing a baseline or routine of activities that sets you mentally or physically straight is healthier. Im not sure how MGTOW or monk mode morhped into ignore every woman entirely.
TheRedPillMonkey 6y ago
Monk mode is an amount of time you worry about yourself above all else. Bettering yourself. Hitting the gym, focusing on work, etc.. until you establish that baseline. I view it like a transitional period between blue and red pill.
MGTOW is living that transition to redpill indefinitely. Ones a tool, ones a lifestyle.
dzkkne 6y ago
Agree.
I can give a very specific personal example when I consider doing monk mode:
I am doing from a position of knowing that I can get pussy if I want to, but I chose not to because I know it will distract me from my goals that I set for myself and it is purely my choice. I said 90% because, I would still allocate some recovery weeks i.e. holidays where I would go out and have lots of fun.
NMF_ 6y ago
If you have a cool Instagram account that shows travel, partying, boats, etc, it can be a nice tool to get 8s - 10s. The problem is, it really is a lot of work to craft “perfect posts”, and is really only effective if you are good looking anyway.
temerarious 6y ago
I disagree about PUA. Game is a skill just like any other that can be improved. Nobody says you should stop improving in other areas while you work on your game.
I really like the way Mark Manson conceptualizes it. When you approach a woman, she will either be positive, neutral, or negative to your approach. All the improvement we talk about in TRP makes it more likely you will get positive responses. But when you get a neutral response (ignore negative responses, they’re a waste of time), game can turn them positive.
EdmondDaunts 6y ago
TRP is like understanding optionality. You choose your investments for the downside as well as upside.
HellRaisor 6y ago
Well i wanna talk about the no fap part. No fap method in itself isnt actually beta. You abstain from masturbation and porn making u seek out sex in real life. If u masturbate we all know it has social effect and u said u dont fap when u want to be on top of your game.
Using nofap is beta when u rely on motivation of others in order to acheive the abstaining of porn and masturbation. U should be self motivated, self determined and not rely on external circumstamces on order to do something.
Same as saying that guys that dont get laid much are betas. Those who are self determnned and chopse the right way towarda self improvemnt arent betas. They are alpha in the making. A beta can be that rich guy still living in his mamas basement but getting laid for his money. If he didnt have this money he has no game nor women. A guy can be alpha is he self determind and chose the right path of self improvemt by emplying the redpill philosophy in life., while backing it up with tactics from external game.
I completely stand with u in the mgtow part.
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Lambdal7 6y ago
This post is a lot of black and white thinking with a lot offalse information.
Glacierdust 6y ago
Re: calisthenics - I have a friend who studied Kinesiology and graduated in the top 5 of his program. He does bodyweight as well as weight lifting exercises. He says that based on his (fairly extensive) knowledge, body weight is superior. However, he admits that in order to get the desired results with body weight, you'd have to put in at least 3 hours per day. Obviously, that sort of investment is not worth it to most people and can in fact discourage the newbies on our sub. Weightlifting gives good results, it gives them fast, and it is still good for you.
I used to be a wimp for most of my life and I was weak and unathletic and got sick all the time. The only regular exercise I do know is weight lifting (I also paired it with eating healthy). Here is the difference: I no longer get sick, I have better cardio even though I don't focus on cardio, I have better hand-eye coordination and can catch and throw balls easily even though I don't practice any ball sport, I recover fast from an injury, I can carry heavy shit in my day-to-day life if need be, I look good naked, and I have a great posture. All this just from lifting iron and messing around on the machines at the gym. No more than 5 hours a week.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
This boils down to: she cheated, was planing to or she blatantly disrespected my boundaries regarding her contact with other men. These 3 things, while a bit different from eachother, fall into one category - she is not a LTR material if she doesn't respect your boundaries.
The most likely reason for that is that she lost attraction for you (more often then not it's your fault). Women who are attracted tend not to stray into situations that endanger her relationship in the eyes of the man.
It was over BEFORE she cheated.
This is why you should not get back to her - since there's no attraction there (she regrets that she got caught, not that she cheated) - your 2nd attempt is doomed to be failure. No attraction in LTR means she's there for you to be her wallet.
Not that kind of "inner game" as we have on TRP. TRP's "inner game" is more about understanding and navigating general m-f relations and the gynocentric, woman worshiping world.
The "inner game" of PUAs is more about your own mentality and mindset when gaming women.
TRP is about "why products are designed the way they are", PUA is "how to sell that product better".
I'm somewhat sure that it's about using the higher load in gym, which engages nervous system. There's no pushup technique that would immitate benchpress with heavy load. Same goes for other exercises.
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DOnt forget the most BP behavior of them all - Reddit
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redrummilf 6y ago
Shaming the MGTOW like a woman would...interesting
we_are_compromised 6y ago
The faggotry in this gatekeeping post are some of the worst I have ever read on TRP. Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Original_Dankster 6y ago
You make some pretty broad judgments about MGTOW (and body weight fitness).
Incel??? Lol no. Some are older men, over 40, who are dominating life in many regards. Myself included. Chasing tail distracts from making money and pursuing excellence in my hobbies. I have a FWB, get laid when I feel like it (maybe monthly) but don't need to prioritize approaching new women.
One day you'll learn that MGTOW is what older Red Pill Men eventually graduate to.
Equalitythis 6y ago
Exactly. Mgtow is the more mature version of TRP. And to be Frank in today's society the safer option
september_cutter 6y ago
As an old school pickup guy, MGTOW always confused me. I always think its "Men Go Fuck Ten Other Women" GFTOW was a common suggestion for getting over that "special girl" - the logic being by the time you tried or succeeded fucking 10 other women, the oneitis would be long gone. That seems to be the opposite of "going their own way."
tallwheel 6y ago
Yep. Exactly. Once you get older and your sex drive goes down, you only really feel like having sex like once a week or so. You find there are much better more fulfilling things to do with your time.
Pursuing women becomes too much effort to fulfill a small need, so you just keep around FWB's and plates who are low effort, and maybe approach women when you feel like it, especially the ones who make it obvious they are into you.
That's MGTOW, and it's also RP. You do what makes you happy, and a lot of the time that doesn't have anything to do with sex.
Oscar_Cc 6y ago
I'm 28 and already like that. Feel old now lol
MattyAnon Admin 6y ago
Mostly agreed OP, except:
TRP is not "build yourself and they will come".
The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.
If you have to "do things to get laid", then fine do it. No reason not to. Classic example: losing bodyfat. Great for getting girls, noone else gives a fuck.
FirstNamesMusic 6y ago
Dont usually just echo with an agree, but i agree.
Especially about the nofap stuff.
PreparedBody 6y ago
Just came to say you’re full of shit in regards to body weight routines.
I love liftin heavy shit but calisthenics is legit AF
subgamer90 6y ago
This is some ridiculous and cringey shit. The only thing even remotely correct is the "Don't go back to exes" part and maybe the social media thing.
Bodyweight fitness? Yeah it's so terrible. Wouldn't want to end up weak like those pussies in the Navy SEALs or the Marines who mostly do bodyweight and endurance stuff. /s
MGTOW? You're right I can't see any reason why a modern man wouldn't want relationships with women, seeing as how they're all perfectly sane and loyal with unique and interesting personalities and they never cuck men or try to trap them into knocking them up or lie about rape to destroy a man's life. And there's definitely no men out there that have been burned multiple times by bitches and are tired of it /s
NoFap? You're right I should just jerk off 5 times daily because there's no way that would ever sap any of my energy or kill any of my motivation to do anything.
Anyways, there's really no such thing as alpha and beta and if you obsess over that shit you're trying too hard. This sub gets worse every time I come back to give it another chance. Nothing but people humble bragging about how many plates they fucked this week, or obsessing over whether every little action they took that day is alpha or beta, or cringey shit bashing MGTOW and other men who don't fit into the "alpha" mold because they don't care.
Lendoran 6y ago
To be fair, while I have my issues with the OP, if you can't motivate yourself because you've jacked off, you're the literal definition of a pussy and worthless male.
The amount of times I jack off has no effect on my motivation. If anything, when I'm motivated, I don't Jack off, not vice versa.
JamesSkepp 6y ago
This is true. I found TRP after multiple PUA years. TRP is "better" in the sense that it actually cures not the symptom "lack of women" but the cause "beta/BP", it has also an added benefit that it cures A LOT of other "symptoms"
Also true.
Regardless of that, it would be unfair to PUAs not to mention 2 things: TRP has it's origins in PUA community and it does work IF you commit to it.
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EdvardMunch 6y ago
Issue is TRP talks so much of women's biology that it comes off like the focus is masked as self improvement with the intention of having better success with women. There are many ways to live a successful life but TRP focuses on life successes that are conveniently attractive to women more for the short term.
The reality is you could never lift, eat like shit, and be the best fucking pianist in your area with a cock of the walk attitude and you'd never need to read a scratch of red pill.
MrCarepig 6y ago
TRP is the theory, PUA is the practice 50/50 i think Rollo Tomassi mentions this in his first book.
Throwawaysteve123456 6y ago
Someone here once said the PUA is basically following a script, while TRP is rewriting your lifestyle in a way that tends to make you successful with women. The former works for a while, especially with a lack of awareness. Even scripts don't work that well anymore since EVERYONE knows them now. I've heard women use the term 'negging' countless times. Now women can spot the loser beta stating rehearsed lines since tehy have no ability to modify their approach, they just follow a damn script. I remember reading into it years ago, and wondering why all my friends that swim in pussy never seem to do anything close to this. TRP is consistent with both life experiences, and countless sciences, especially evopsych.
chauncy_popperstein 6y ago
Agreed. The PUA's do get one thing right. They get men off their ass and out approaching women. That alone is 99% of most guy's problems. It is lacking in that is doesn't to anything to teach men about how to handle a woman once you have attracted her. Ever hear a PUA mention hypergamy?
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enjoy_life88 6y ago
If they've ever heard about it at all.
When you read about the "legends" getting fucking married, and their hilarious justification for it, it makes you wonder if they actually understood anything of intergender dynamics, or have been simply become good actors over the years.
the_real_lunch_box 6y ago
I agree approaching is most guys problems certainly is my biggest. But the other improvements TRP will bring will keep the good woman around and next the bad ones.
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SPREAD_THE_LOVE_7791 6y ago
By definition I am PUA. But I don't follow any PUA forums, just RSDTyler and Julien's videos. The only sexual strategy forum I use is TRP. I work on bettering myself all fucking day, then go out at night. It may not be ideal for reasons stated by OP, but the social exposure helps me and keeps my brain really sharp.
AshyLarry27 6y ago
RSD is an interesting outlier, because at least Tyler/Owen goes out of his way to address self improvement/inner game, at least from a mental stance. That aside, not as much on physical appearance and of course he flaunts this with his jokes of being a short ginger.
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alpha-priori 6y ago
????
WTH man. I pay 31/month for LA Fitness and don't even get a deadlift station.
daprospecta 6y ago
To be fair, bodyweight fitness can get you the body you want but you have to bust your ass. Herschel Walker rarely lifted weights, he did push-ups and sit-ups daily. Go look at good physique back then, hell go look at it right now.
white_girl_lover 6y ago
All of these things could be places in red pill except for exes and sm. This post takes the extremes of these categories talking about the bad part of them.
analtaccountforme 6y ago
This is the kind of shit that gets lauded on this sub for being "edgy" and "in your face" when in reality its just a guy with no research to back up anything just talking out of his ass.
What sucks is that the amount of insufferable "wow this is such a phenomenal post" and "Gosh this just spoke to me so much as a man" threads will flood the comment section, and more and more needy reddit whores will post garbage content because this is the kind of trash that gets to the top of this sub now
mattbrah 6y ago
My thoughts exactly. A lot of these top posts seem like a rehashed parroting of the sidebar material. Another thing that I have noticed is that nearly all of these kinds of posts are written with some kind of "what I say is 100% factual and alpha" tone, as if anyone who would contest it is a fool. I definitely agree though, the content has gotten less unique or challenging over time.
wander_company 6y ago
He's flip-floppy too. "Wrong thing number 6- bodyweight fitness".... "There is nothing wrong with bodyweight fitness" C'mon OP
andy10001 6y ago
This post alone seems blue pill to me. Who are you to tell me what I should or shouldn't do with my life? OP, I don't give a fuck if you think my actions are blue pill or not. As long as I'm striving towards being the best version of myself, I couldn't care less.
Also go do some research on nofap and why it has improved the lives of many.
Velebit 6y ago
You have watched the movie right? Red pill merely is about the truth. The truth that is hard to accept.
You may be a happy hypocrite willing to settle for half measures but most others are not so malleable.
If someone recognizes masturbation as a bad influence it makes sense for them to cut it out, not merele tone it down.
If someone is aware of female hypergamy, infidelity, callousness, and how little they offer for all they expect it makes sense to cut them out from your life completely.
If someone has realized their body reacts the best to a less artificial way of working out, it makes sense for them to preach that and practice that as well.
If someone is content with themselves and does not care to fit into whatever the fuck you want them to want to be ans merely wanna score pussy using the tactics listed here there is the PUA thing of it. .
If people find it most efficient to use social media to find potential mates rather than waste an absurd amount of time and energy on the unreliable and draining alternative it makes sense for them to do that and use their resources wisely and not follow comrade 'red' and his 5year plan he has for the collective to follow.
Red pill is not what you decide red pill is a community of various people most of whom, it seems have different opinions and priorities than you want them to have.
Now you have recieved a solid slap on the back of your neck and your literary expresion of dominance has been curbed. On your way.
appolo11 6y ago
The 7th blue pill behavior: Flagrant overuse of acronyms.
dr_warlock 6y ago
Keepin' it real dawg.
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This week was one of my best weeks women-wise. For the first time ever, I didn't want to jerk off. Boners didn't make it impossible to sleep. My cock was too sore from from all the seshes or was just tired of pussy and women for the day.
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Being against a naked woman that you caress and defile all night and fall asleep with is awesome on a carnal level. Women are wonderful for lovin, touchin, and squeezin. Any man that hates women doesnt get pussy or doesnt know how to handle them. I know all their tricks and I am numero uno. There's not a woman alive who can manipulate me into being a wallet, a beta, or a husband, or raise another man's kids, or have her move in. The mind games dont require effort on my part. That just leaves pure pleasure.
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Once you have a chad experience, you'll know what I mean.
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whatsthisgarg 6y ago
ANYONE doubting the decline in quality of TRP should go read posts from 2 and 3 years ago, more specifically, the comments to the posts. The level of maturity and experience will stun you.
If I had to guess I'd say the average age of commenters in 2014 was late 20s; today it must be 15.
askmrcia 6y ago
I would agree. I see a lot of 4chab b/ stuff on here. Still my fav sub, but yea you're right.
Trucks_N_Chainsaws 6y ago
There is nothing wrong with bodyweight fitness.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
There isn't. In fact, you can see me saying just that if you actually read the paragraph regarding bodyweight fitness. It's the hamsters who choose bodyweight fitness only and don't lift actual weights that is the problem.
CSMastermind 6y ago
PUA = sales, TRP = marketing.
HS-Thompson 6y ago
It's more like PUA is marketing and sales, and TRP is product development. They are distinct concepts and both have their uses.
mental_models 6y ago
I like the analogy. As with tactics/strategy.
PUA probably has some real value with the core concepts, and it's something that is on my long-term reading/learning list. What I've noticed from the PUA posts on this sub, are a lot of trivial details. I'm sure that If I look hard enough, there are some major pickup models that have value.
Yeralt 6y ago
Lmao i got banned yesterday from the mgtow reddit for telling a 15 guy that was going mgtow that he was just coping with his inhability to get pussy
tallwheel 6y ago
Though I am a fan of MGTOW (as long as it isn't just being used as an excuse for incels in denial) I tend to agree that guys that young ought to try out women for themselves for a while before declaring themselves MGTOW.
NewWave647 6y ago
im gonna ramble here
MGTOW is different shit for different people. Me personally - it's never get married, limit how close you get to any female, don't give females too much self identifying info about yourself, UNDERSTAND FEMALE NATURE, understand that women WILL cheat, understand that women will shit test and play games, understand that there is a chance of a false accusation if shit goes south, understand that you are NEVER the only dude she's talking to, understand that they will never take accountability for their actions ..... etc. it's all just an understanding.
I think the OP is a troll post though. I've fucked 100+ women and been in 5 relationships. MGTOW is far from being involuntarily celibate.
You may be young, or inexperienced ... but as you grow and really start interacting with different females ... you just learn shit first hand about how females behave. I would personally tell dudes to not even get into relationships. The L's you can take far outweigh the W's. Boyfriends IMO are just subjects of disrespect. I have fucked too many women with husbands and boyfriends for me to ever think about settling down and lining myself up for the shit that women are ready to dish out.
mmmoreos 6y ago
Idk what the obsession is with lifting as the only way. Think it is the best if you don’t have another activity but if you are a marathoner, Ironman, or climber or mountain biker it’s not the only way. The activities mentioned may not get you the same physique but you will be fit and happy and have purpose and confidence.
phoenixtoast 6y ago
NoFAP is usually taken too far, but the movement is primarily driven by the fact that porn will eventually give you erectile dysfunction. It's easy for a 21 year old (many of whom populate this community) to think that their sex drive will never slow down.
PUA used to work, believe it or not. It worked for about the 20 year period where technology was advanced enough for men to communicate their observations but not so advanced as for women to gain a complete advantage in the dating market. That happened in 2012 or 2013, right around the time the MSM started going after the PUAs as womanizers.
The social media advice is wrong, dead, dead wrong. While you think that not having social media makes you cool and edgy, for a female this is a giant red flag. You don't need the most awesome profiles either, you just need to demonstrate on a semi-regular basis that you have friends, interests, and do fun things.
The gym advice is right. Gym avoidance is primarily driven by fear of the unknown.
banjew 6y ago
I'm 40. I usually fap at least twice a day, and when my gf comes I fuck her at least twice. Has been this way since I have 12 (sans gf lol) Sometimes I experience "erectile disfunction" for a couple of days, its scary but then wait a couple of days and then I get better.
denisgomesfranco 6y ago
I was on the fence about NoFap. Never did it but when I got to know about it I thought 'That seems odd, but is there a chance they can be right?'
Thanks for clearing that up :D It makes sense to just masturbate whenever you want as long as that doesn't impact on your other life areas.
prodigy2throw 6y ago
All this advice is YMMV. I can easily make an RP case for each one of these points except for maybe returning to exes. TRP isn’t a binary thing.
Arabian_Wolf 6y ago
Bodyweight lifting can be the only way to continue training for men camping or backpacking 3rd world countries.
manifestyourlife 6y ago
Have to disagree with NoFap. Nothing more Alpha/RedPill than having full self control and being a master of oneself. Have you tried it? Have you gone 90 days? Nope.
davebrain 6y ago
Marcus Aurelius says sex is just something rubbing against your dick. I'm not in the habit of arguing with Roman Emperors.
jetspeed_ 6y ago
Trp is a toolbox and this post is shouting “this hammer is bad because people use it wrong”. A hammer can’t be wrong. You are angry you see other people using the hammer to try and screw. But that doesn’t mean a hammer is useless just because your dumbass doesn’t know how to use it.
jonib0ni 6y ago
I cannot thank you enough for this post. Especially this
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jonib0ni 6y ago
Well I absolutely do not approve of pornography. But masturbating without it is perfectly fine in my opinion. The thing is, if you cut out the porn, you will automatically masturbate less frequently, since you only get a boner when you are actually horny.
Everything will become problematic if you do it obsessively. But that doesn't make the thing evil in itself. I find this all or nothing attitude with regards to masturbation/alcohol/weed/etc to be very silly. A drink or a joint every few days will not destroy your life, and neither will beating off.
By saying to yourself "I will never do [obsessive behavior] again" you make that thing a major part of your life, think about it constantly, not a smart thing to do in my opinion. Moderation is key.
barb9212 6y ago
That's the thing, NoFap was a movement to end PMO for an addicted individual. This whole idea that masturbation on it's own is ridiculous. Best thing some one addicted can do is go cold turkey for a while. The benefits such as more energy is real.
The never doing it again is a fear of relapse. For someone like me who has never gone over two weeks without PMO you feel results.
throwawaydefriended 6y ago
I thought the concept of MGTOW was just no marriage or commitment, didn't know it entailed not having sex.
askmrcia 6y ago
That is what MGTOW is. But a lot of guys on here like to think its just a bunch of incels.
If people want to say MGTOW is a bunch of neckbeards that can't get women then red pill is a bunch of try hard gym bros who bang 4's and still stuck in redpill rage mode, but claim they are banging supermodels.
This post is ridiculous and its just another user saying "whatever I say goes, because my edgy ass is more redpill then all you guys arghhh."
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Technically you are right, but go to the MGTOW sub. How many of those guys do you think were ever having sex?
SILENTSAM69 6y ago
Great post. I had been feeling the same way. Glad to hear that message being accepted.
Especially the MGTOW point. It is like being proud of failure.
ExposeThisBitchPls 6y ago
Lol you think bodyweight fitness is harder than cardio? I do both and I can tell you I’m relieved on lifting days. No girls wants a dude with big muscles that are covered by a layer of fat. They’re equally important and cardio helps toning
TRPmc117 6y ago
It's because so much of the slightly idiotic PUA terms such as "HB8" are used here constantly.
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IronFoz 6y ago
About NoFap:
Yes, it's mostly for people like me who suffered Erectile Dysfunction due to years of porn consumption (and depression). Addicts like me, are scarred for life. I left porn for two years, and when I came back thinking I was already "cured", I began feeling down again, ED, and social anxiety, after using it. Problem is LOTS of people don't know that their main issue IS from fapping to porn. Just like a drug addict, our dopamine receptors are busted, and only feel satisfied with tab-searching the perfect scene and edging for hours.
So yeah, if you are not addicted to porn, nor have any ED issues... It's not the holy grail. It's better cutting porn the same way you cut alcohol, or any other bad habits, but restraining masturbation completely I believe it's for extreme cases, for those people it is the holy grail, and life changing.
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mugatucrazypills 6y ago
You could add religion to this list. 90 percent of the TRP concepts derive from evolutionary psychology, via PUA theory originally. There's something inherently beta about hoping the magic man in the sky will protect you from this reality.
Particular dangerous the fantasy that religion is gonna keep a woman's hypergammy in line. Blue pills want to believe things like this. They convince themselvess that marriage life will be different for them and they'll use religion to trick the woman into obedience where all others have failed.
This is confusing old school religion and mortality and appropriate shame as part the construct of our western civilization . The reality of our society in decline is that, in our time, your local priest is as likely to work with the law and the courts to pimp and turn you out for the unchecked female imperative.
Hypergammous women(always flexible) have adapted to this reality faster than men and use religion as a tool they can turn on and off at will, going from whore to jezibel to revirginated nun, or moralizing scold on a dime as strategic needs demand. Your religious sentimentality(or animus ) is just another weakness to lever.
If it does not fit her hypergammy, she will need to save her pussy for Jesus. If it does, no religious injunction short of Zeus striking her dead with a bolt of lightening, will prevent her for, climbing aboard a dick.
broscientologist 6y ago
But I want to get better at moving my body through space and time.
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Yeah, fucking your own hand is pretty red pilled.
Great insight.
Conor_Niggregor 6y ago
This post is retarded and everyone is lapping it up because they resonate with OP’s chronic cynicism
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
I bet you also breathe in a red pill way and sneeze like a Chad! ???? /s
forgetful_storytellr 6y ago
I agree with 4.5 of 6 (bear with me), here are my counterpoints:
MGTOW:
MGTOW is an excellent way to get your mind right. Your analogy about the money is flawed, and it actually lends to my point, which is that yes, some people do shed all of their money and belongings for a life of simplicity and solitude.
You're right in that it's not actualized RP, but it can be an effective tool to escape the trap of monotony, really feel the internal suffering of your ineptitude rather than mask it with pointless distractions, and take action. This, if done correctly, leads to massive self improvement which would put you on the dating market map, effectively taking you out of incel status.
BODYWEIGHT:
Surfing and bodyweight got me in the best shape of my life in 3 months. Weights without body weight work makes you look like a stiff tool. Athletic functional movements are simple and effective. In other words if you look good and feel good you'll play good.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Because men can not do both weight lifting and athletic movements.
forgetful_storytellr 6y ago
They can. That fact doesn't make you a pussy for doing body weight.
goldenhourlivin 6y ago
I will agree with some of the statements about social media and the sentiment about it, but I'm not entirely sure that not having social media is very beneficial. I'm very new to TRP still so I'm willing to believe I might be wrong about that.
Depending on who you are it might be "creepy" to not have social media, but you're probably already a "creepy" person if anyone thinks that just because you delete your accounts. I think that social media may be permissible if you don't show all of your cards on it (again, I might be wrong here). My social media accounts are set up is in a way that pretty much only major life events (graduating college, getting a job in my field, etc.) and things others (family and friends) tag me in are being posted. At least in my mind, anyone who sees my accounts should be able to tell pretty quickly that there's much more going on outside of me getting my degree X amount of years ago. Also, I have pretty much only family, close friends, and some people from high school (who i'm mainly watching to see how bad it all inevitably goes); anyone who annoys the fuck out of me, attention whores, posts political/religious things without appearing to understand their own argument, etc get deleted.
I will admit there are some exes/old flings that follow me that I need to go through and purge, but I don't think social media should be vilified in such an absolute, all or nothing way.
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tallwheel 6y ago
This is a joke comment, right?
haroldpeters 6y ago
Your wrong on MGTOW. In fact your whiney take on it reeks of someone with little knowledge or understanding of it, and more about "virtue signalling" how you don't need it. Protecting your rights and pursuing your own advantage is 100% red pill.
chauncy_popperstein 6y ago
Actually, it is pretty much spot on. MGTOW is guys that don't make any effort to get women (even the basics like living healthy and actually approaching women) then complain that women don't want them. Most of them are pot smoking video game addicts.
Look up any MGTOW youtube channel. What is it about? Whining about women... Not self improvement as they like to claim.
erkomap 6y ago
MGTOW is not about self improvement. It's about living the life the way you want it. TRP is basically doing what they claim is bad, putting pussy on a pedestal.
Guys on TRP don't go to the gym because they want to. They do it to "get abs" and to increase their SMV. Which isn't bad if a guy wants it. MGTOW is the last stage of TRP. You don't give a fuck about other people and their opinion. You improve yourself if you want it and for yourself. You want to play games 5 hours a day? Do it. You want to run a marathon? Fucking go for it. You can do whatever the fuck you want. And no, MGTOW doesn't hate on women. You don't hate a rat because he spreads disease, you just accepted that fact and stay away from them. Because women have nothing to offer but their pussy.
TRP is a joke nowdays. Bunch of betas claiming that after 5 months on the sub, they are slaying bitches left and right.
chauncy_popperstein 6y ago
MGTOW's are just sitting around complaining. If they are about "not giving a fuck" they sure do complain a lot.
MGTOW isn't TRP. It is walking away and giving up. It also isn't "monk mode" because they are not focused on self improvement. MGTOW has all the faults of hedonism without the honesty.
As for this sub? Yeah there are a lot of blue pilled guys. The main difference is at TRP the focus is only actually improving instead of acting like a whiny INCEL.
erkomap 6y ago
Complaining and observing behaivor are different things. You know nothing about MGTOW and what that sub is all about which is evident by your comment, so I'm not gonna waste time with you.
chauncy_popperstein 6y ago
I know what it is about by seeing what they talk about on that sub. By going on youtube and seeing the MGTOW videos they put up.
It is whiny crap. If they where busy "going their own way" and "not letting women distract them" then they wouldn't have the time to gripe about women.
erkomap 6y ago
MGTOW is individual philosophy. There is no "they" in MGTOW. If 5k members whine about women, it doesn't make everyone on that sub a whiny little bitch.
griezez 6y ago
I agree with everything except point 6. OP I personally think hitting the weights is a waste of time and not impressive at all, if anything it's boring and will fuck up your joints because you'll always be pushing yourself to hit higher and higher weight. I'm speaking from personal experience of course, i started hitting the gym at 16, lifted till i was 19, went from 134 pounds to 171 my heaviest, i'm 5'8.5 btw (lel manlet i laugh about it from time to time so it's cool). i'm 21 now and i have 2 partially torn shoulders from benching. ego lifting it happens to the best of us so don't give me that BS where you'll always be doing best form so you won't get hurt, when you're setting a PR no one has Perfect form, you'll only end up fucking yourself up.
Imo calisthenics gives way better results, strengthens the body and the joints, and it's just more impressive to see someone do 20+ dead hang pull ups in a row than someone squatting 500+ pounds.
I also think that guys should do combat sports such as Muay Thai, Sambo, Wrestling, Judo, Boxing, or Kick boxing. (not BJJ unless it's the Hardcore AF motherfuckers who cross train all forms of grappling and kill each other in those BJJ tournaments). Combat Sports imo teaches you more how to be a man and independent than lifting a weight ever will. it teaches you more confidence than lifting weights. I'm a wrestler myself and now going to the gym and lifting weights is boring af to me. it's more fun and exhilarating to fight against an opponent and see who's skill and will will dominate the other.
But i digress, my point still stands that calisthenics is a better form of exercise than weight lifting.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
So because you were total shit with your form and got hurt, that means bodyweight and calisthenics is better than weight lifting?
You just wrote 3 paragraphs hamstering away as to why weight lifting is stupid.
I've lifted for the last 17 years and I have exactly one weight lifting related injury. One. And that was because someone added 90 pounds of weight to the bar without me knowing when I was doing power cleans from the floor and dislocated my lower spine in the process.
What's funny, is that men can do both. That's how I know you are a weak scrawny man who sucks balls at lifting and use shit like this as your rationalization as to why you don't lift. You act like one can only do one or the other. I squat heavy and do dead hang pull ups at the gym.
griezez 6y ago
First off instead of attacking my character how about you attack my logic? And second of all I never said men can't do both. They 100% can. If anything you totally ignored my whole point about doing combat sports with calisthenics! I literally said it's better to train in combat sports and do calisthenics than it is to lift weights all day which is boring af.
I challenge you OP to go to a Muay Thai, Boxing, or Wrestling training session, get your ass beat by a novice and then realize how fucking useless weight lifting is in the real world.
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
I am about to turn 30. Started lifting when I was 12 during our 7th grade football offseason in middle school.
Extremely_Photogenic 6y ago
My opinion on NoFap aligns with /u/omlala. I forget what the post is called but I'm sure you can find it on his account.
Also, if you see this Om, fuck you for leaving us! And start making YouTube videos for Christ sake I can only watch the one so many times
OmLaLa 6y ago
Hello. I’m here.
And ok. What about?
gELSK 6y ago
// , About baking.
Preferably with cookies
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StrangerDanGer707 6y ago
What’s with this sort of posts. The world today is so aggressive, they stand for beliefs yet not being critical about it. Give it a chance, think about it then make a conclusion. You OP are just like bunch of CEOs of today, trying to sell you a fog as if they have some magical thing
asotranq 6y ago
I think mgtow is kind of an extension of the anger phase honestly. The way a lot of guys talk on there clearly don't have their heads screwed on properly and still let women dictate their emotions and occupy their thoughts a lot. Also it's kind of fun to think to yourself you're casting away women and just want nothing to do with them again. I think a lot of them probably are betas that just got completely played and dominated in a relationship and then got dumped and this is their way of acting like they're still in control.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Pretty spot on. It's the acceptance of the anger phase as normal.
asotranq 6y ago
I don't really blame them though to be honest. Even though a lot of what they are attack are strawmen I think the problem they have is that the reaction of people towards shitty men and shitty women is staggeringly different.
chauncy_popperstein 6y ago
Right. They are just sad INCEL's that don't have the willpower to improve themselves. That is why you never actually see MGTOW's talking about self improvement. All they do is whine about women's natural behaviors/tendencies.
asotranq 6y ago
To be fair a true incel can't really do anything to improve, and they'll miss out on countless opportunities because of their bone structure
chauncy_popperstein 6y ago
There is no such thing as a "true" INCEL. There is only men that doen't try or have given up.
suske127 6y ago
I think you're wrong in a lot of the things you say here. No Fap has amazing benefits for your brain and mental state - it's a lifestyle change that removes lots of instant gratification and dopamine from your usual routine. Jerking off isn't awful but should only be done if you haven't had sex in 10+ days or so. In theory if you're getting laid at least once a week, Fapping is a bad habit for your brain.
I also would ONS a couple of my hotter exes, just because that would be amazing. I can drop her at any time if she acts off, but if I'm low on options at that time, hell yeah i'd bang an ex.
With that said I upvoted because your main point is clear and correct - TRP isn't about bullshit like PUA or MGTOW, and a lot of circle-jerking happens here. Good article brother.
NarcKammerjaeger 6y ago
Controversial indeed. HIT resistance training is very useful and can be incooperated into other sports very well. I would choose and advice a guided boxing / muay Thai training over an 1.5 h 3x sets with phone games, selfies, Playlist switching, and mirror posing or better yet bitch games about eye contact with that hb 9 (hahaha hahaha). I kinda get that counter nofap movement around here. But there is a physiological difference between a porn addict and someone who just rubs one out on the occasion. Would you advice to just take a paff on that cigar to someone 2 months clean from nicotine?
jonpe87 6y ago
What I get from TRP is "Live as it please you, without apology". So it's not important what you do, but why you do.
RedPilledRoaster 6y ago
I disagree with the NoFap point. It definitely makes a difference.
Now, not fapping because it “objectifies” is fucking stupid. But don’t assume it doesn’t have any benefits.
For me, fapping once a month is perfect. The only reason I figured this out was because of NoFap.
NoFap is a good concept but I do agree that the sub is filled with blue pilled bullshit.
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I once read a post on here that compared going back to an ex to a dog returning to its throw up and eating it. Maybe it's because of the crude imagery, but that line really stuck with me.
Here's the deal on exes - you got with your ex when you were BP and at less than your full potential. You should be upgrading as you improve yourself.
If your ex is the best you can do, you're a fucking lame.
dons90 6y ago
So much this. NoFap is the weirdest cult I've seen online among 'sensible' folks. I guess it's useful for porn/masturbation addicts, but for the rest of us folks with actual stuff to do (like work, talking to ladies, etc), if you gotta drain the tank now n then, it's perfectly fine.
Eulerbrah 6y ago
Here we go agian with the nofap bullshyt. If you haven’t tried nofap then please do. I have gone through multiple streaks of nofap and the difference it makes is CRYSTAL clear, it is really up to you to believe it or not.
Just yesterday, i fapped after 9 days of nofap and guess what? This morning: -Tired as fuck. -face and eyes look different (even my colleagues commented on this) -High pitched voice (last week my voice was noticeably deeper) -anxious out of no fuckin where
Soooo yeah. Nofap does have some benefits to it. I don’t believe it has anything to do with pedestalizing shyt.
asapkokeman 6y ago
All i know is that I've hooked up with plenty of girls because of social media
mrgrigsad 6y ago
I think there's little to no point in texting random women on social media, but you can perfectly use it to further your progress with a girl you already know personally. And still not by exessive texting but by passively showing off cool photos of your lifestyle
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RemyBucksington 6y ago
This. I understand OP’s line of thinking, but the return on investment is too great to ignore a lot of the time if you put in minimal effort.
It shouldn’t be a primary venue for pussy, but a side-exercise? Sure. Keep your digital game sharp.
massivewang 6y ago
I post cool pictures that I take of the things I am doing/have done to social media. I travel/have traveled quite a bit, guess what often happens to her interest level when a girl I meet asks me for my Instagram and takes a look? It increases.
Social media isn't black and white. It has a place, you can decide to be on it or not for whatever reasons.
danO1O1O1 6y ago
It's a tool, like the gym. Use it wrong, you can do more harm than good. I think OP is basically saying many men use SM wrong
Shaman6624 6y ago
No fap as a lifestyle is just weird but jerking of every day (maybe multiple times) does fuck with your motivation and other things out of my personal experience it will benefit you to take a few days in between and get used to fapping less. I was in a discussion about dopamine desentisitation just yesterday and the conclusion was that although it isnt sure dopamine is the main culprit. Doing to much artificially rewarding hyper stimulating things fucks with your motivation. To discuss these potential pitfalls of a man who wants to be in the top 20% of men doesn't seem out of place to me on this sub.
When is something 'red pilled' noone is claiming it's 'redpilled' they are claiming it has benefits.
Pua is just emulating the behaviour of an attractive male to get the same results.
Redpill is not a lifestyle it's a paradigm, a belief. It's a way of looking at the world.
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I've never really seen MGTOW as no contact with women at all. I've always seen it as just doing whatever you want and not caring about what society says. It seems like a lot of them on the subreddit are still having sex.
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I agree, a lot of them are just in the "anger" phase. When they truly just do whatever they want they probably won't need that subreddit anymore.
TheRedPillMonkey 6y ago
I think the definition of MGTOW has changed. It started as a group of guys literally swearing off women and vowing to never sleep with them ever again. Victims of sjw's. Literally a lot of articles from it's early days talking about that.
Somewhere along the way it changed to be "I have no interest in sleeping with women, unless I want to, which I normally don't". I feel like that perpetuates the stereotype of losers who can't get laid. Like they rage quit women, until one comes along that they have a chance with.
tallwheel 6y ago
I think it's the opposite. It started with older guys, many who had been divorced or had been in shitty relationships. It got invaded by incels in denial more recently.
Original_Dankster 6y ago
As a guy who was reading the MGTOW community about 8 years ago, and found TRP through MGTOW, I can say you're exactly right. It started off as older beta guys who were married and went through the divorce wringer, but young incels adopted and co-opted the term after the fact.
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MGTOw is not all incels that can't get laid. It is full of many men that had plenty of success with women just to find that women were not worth their time (in their own opinion) because of all of the bullshit that comes with them. I think that incels infiltrate though because they make the same mistake in distinction as you made.
we_are_compromised 6y ago
AVFM did a survey of MGTOW identified men and found that the average MGTOW was a white guy in his 40s who was divorced with kids. Don't believe bullshit like the OP's straw MGTOW man. He knows fuck all about MGTOW philosophy.
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And because the incel sub was banned recently. They all migrated to/brigaded MGTOW.
RedPill_Swinger 6y ago
PUA has a couple of aces up their sleeve the rest is crap. TRP came from PUA but it's far better... also many PUA theories don't work and I gave up after a week because I knew that was crap
Bside_785 6y ago
Being a teenager, not having social media makes you look like a social outcast and abit weird and creepy tbh.
killermike-el-P 6y ago
Don't take everything you read here to be absolute. Take the advice that applies to you and keep the rest in the back of your mind.
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I wouldn't think it's weird or creepy so many teenagers get caught up with their supposed social status. How would you explain social media to someone in the 90's, would they be impressed yes probably but I think it would turn to morbid perspective on how the future looks.
RedPill115 6y ago
I'm not able to change my mentality enough to get into the player lifestyle, but I've known 2 guys who do.
Neither of them did more on social media than post an occassional pic (once a month max) that implied they were doing something cool, or short generic "happy birthday" posts.
One of them recently was going out with a girl and decided to do more on facebook. Within a month he got burned by her fat overweight friend who was jealous he was getting her attention, who publicly accused him of (insert generic SJW accusations here about his "creepy friends" and "holding back black people") to everyone who saw his feed. He got really burned by it, and it's something she never would have had the balls to do directly in real life.
I got burned on social media when I bought my friend a ticket to drive a tank and posted 2 pics - 1 of the tank and one standing in front of some guns. I'm not a gun guy. This girl I had been flirting with commented "oh no" and went and dated a different guy in our group.
There's 1 use for social media - you meet someone via common friends, it's to awkward to ask for their contact info right there (they don't want to give it out in front of their other friends), you contact them afterwards to do something in real life. That's it. That's the only social media thing I've seen that's actually been a positive for anyone I know.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
This is one of the most common social media hamsters I see around here.
The "everyone else is doing it" defense.
What if I told you, that you would stand out more, and be more mysterious, to women if you didn't have it?
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I was a teenager like 4 years ago, and none of the ‘cool’ kids had social media. Aside from Instagrams they occasionally posted on of them at social events. Unless that has changed recently or maybe that was just something in my area I think it’s completely fine. I was on the football team at a very football centric school, and most of us didn’t have social media or at least rarely used it. No one really gave a fuck if you had social media or not, at worst someone might ask about something that happened. Then you would say ‘oh I don’t have X social media’ they would be like ‘what the fuuuuck??’ and then explain what happened and it wasn’t spoken of again.
AkorTheKing 6y ago
Bro in the last 4 years things changed a lot. I was the only one without social media in my classroom.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
Yeah, to other loser teenagers.
Social media is just how people pretend to have the life they wish they did. You're better off spending that effort on actually making it a reality.
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Niphilim83 6y ago
Bashing on mgtows is such an act of feminism. I dont think this sub is for you op.
Xtermix 6y ago
No it isnt, mgtow isnt protected from criticism, dont just dismiss what someone says as 'feminism', without any counter-argument.
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bigboabydeuchars 6y ago
NOFAP isn't about masturbation though....regardless of how many neckbeards hijack it with posts about girls staring at them after 3 days nofap and doing it for the superpowers. It's actually a support group for people with a genuine serious addiction to online pornography. Many people still have sex and masturbate while "doing NOFAP".
That's like saying alcoholics who go to AA meetings are blue pill and are trying to feel superior by shaming people that drink.
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Lol wtf. It is so daft to claim that nofap isn't about masturbation and that people FAP while on NOFAP? Are you that dense?
glutenfreecrackbaby 6y ago
why calisthenics over weight-lifting? because for me personally weight lifting is boring as fuck, at least i get joy out of weighted calisthenics.
why is that not irreconcilable? why is that not for my own benefit? i am doing PUA for myself as a selfish desire because i like attracting women and getting laid.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
I believe its because you are weak, you know it, and therefore you go the "calisthenics" route in order to make yourself feel better about being weak.
Just like the MGTOW types, if you truly were successful at lifting weights you wouldn't walk away from it to do calisthenics instead.
glutenfreecrackbaby 6y ago
How easy do you think calisthenics is lol??? I also said weighted calisthenics. I do lift free weights as well so it's very hard to take you seriously,????????♂️
chazthundergut 6y ago
Wrong about NoFap.
A lion that is fat and slow and can't hunt for shit wants to learn how to hunt. It asks the other lions, who are out there hunting and killing all types of juicy ass gazelles and zebras.
"Hey guys! I can't catch any gazelles. Do you have any advice?"
"If you can't catch any gazelles, how did you get so fat?"
"The humans feed me. They throw dead meat at me, as much as I ever want."
"Stop eating the dead meat that the humans throw at you. You are a LION. Hunting is in your DNA. Hunting is your birthright. Yes, you need advice about how to hunt. But if you keep gorging on dead meat, you will never find the natural drive it takes to catch a gazelle!"
RedPill115 6y ago
Actually, Lions attack, drive away, and sometimes kill other lions who are on their territory. Predators don't like competition.
we_are_compromised 6y ago
You can take a lot from these guys, but can't take their cringe 'lone wolf' and 'lion pride' analogies away from them!
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SogeDynamo 6y ago
Im surprised there weren't anything on MRAs lol
DrankOfSmell 6y ago
Is it worth is for a truly ugly man to pursue TRP over oneitis?
Supreme__IceCream 6y ago
MGTOW is bluepill?? Fuck off.
HumanSockPuppet 6y ago
"I'm going home, and I'm taking my ball with me."
chauncy_popperstein 6y ago
Giving up on anything is pretty blue pilled.
Going online and bitching about women's natural behavior isn't exactly "going your own way" either. It is bitching (a womanly thing to do). For men that "don't need women" MGTOW's sure do talk about women a lot.
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(Holds frame) Yes MGTOW is fucking beta
Justforthecans 6y ago
This research disagrees. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1631%2Fjzus.2003.0236
Ichewfivegum 6y ago
PUA is just social skills taught by spergs for spergs. Never been a fan of PUA. It's maybe ok if your Also going hard at self improvement but I find self improvement builds a lot more character than PUA ever could.
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Aweron 6y ago
I'm still so confused about what TRP actually says men should do. Go to the gym > become confident > women will come (but don't care if they do or don't, just lift), is that it? What if I lift and don't get confident? Can I be a really buff beta cuck?
I'm not trying to hate, only to understand.
Luckyluke23 6y ago
I like TRP and I read it most days. But sometimes I get the vibe " just life and the pussy sea will part for you" from some posters.
I can deadlift 110kgs... I haven't been fucked in ages
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
110 kg on a deadlift is NOTHING. You must be weak.
tolerantman 6y ago
Sorry but not every man can simply pick some girl on a line of girls who want to fuck them, some men are really fucked when it comes to dating, the least they can do is not bow down to women and try to please them.
PUA and nofap might be bluepilled, women worshiping bullshit but MGTOW is the total opposite of that. MGTOWs are immune to shaming tactics, we have heard your "you are just a loser" shit many, many times, you and the women trying to shame men into liking fatness and entitlement are all the same.
You can talk about how being an incel is always the man's fault like the good feminist you are, but reality is a little different than what you like to believe. Maybe you like to believe that the fact you (supposedly) get girls has nothing to do with genetics, but it does, and it has always been this way.
barb9212 6y ago
As some who is currently praticing NoFap this is the only point we agree and disagree.
I agree with this you on this. As some one who was addicted to porn for a decade No Fap became my only choice. Porn masturbation makes you feel tired as fuck and beta as fuck. Once I started NoFap I was able to feel better about myself and internalize TRP things. For ex. after my 9-5 job I needed preworkout just to make it to the gym. Now instead of constantly losing testosterone I have needed preworkout since.For an addict No Fap is a great way to start quitting porn for good. Any person sprouting masturbation is bad though is a fucking moron.
No Fap is for an addict who wants to quit. Porn is for losers and I was a loser beta. Not anymore.
Bigjohnthug 6y ago
Sums up my thoughts on it. I feel an inescapable urge to bust a nut every 24-48hrs, if I don't have a girl over then I jack it. When you're busy sometimes you masturbate, it's just easier. I'm doing 2-a-days at the gym, 6-10hr work days and have other commitments. Can't always fit a female into my day.
Porn is bad though. Too addictive, no benefits. Kind of like c
I think you're too binary with this one. If a man has a 100+ count but he's broke he should probably go his own way. Sex addiction is a real thing. Now I can moderate my sex habits but two years ago (give or take) I absolutely couldn't. I MGTOWed for a few months, focused on my finances and am better for it. Pussy isn't everything although it is a basic ""need"" albeit much less than good or water. A couple months jacking it to your memory won't do you any harm.
Mostly scam artists but there are some good ones out there. The problem comes not with the quality of content, but the quantity of filler. RSD for example has some great concepts, but they'll mix that in with a whole heap of meaningless jargon and BS just to increase the complexity and keep you buying more. I remember as a teen thinking "wow these guys are so good I'm never as congruent to my frame as they are." A year later there was a (since deleted) expose post where an ex-associate called them out on their laycounts. Jeffy's "my best year was 50, a hard grind of daily approaches" and I realised I was objectively better than them. At getting laid. Maybe their "game" is actually better because I'm better looking than all except Todd by a fair margin, although personally I think the approaching more than two times as many women and travel balance that out.
Basic premise, only a few PUA types are good. 60 years of challenge, Goodlooking Loser, Krauser and Jake Pulls.
You broke up for a reason, so I agree with you. I think sex with an ex is always disappointing as well, although I don't think it's inherently unhealthy. I used to date a girl who moved, we broke up because she moved, when she visits we hook up. She's a fun person and we like each other, plus the sex is good. Win-win-win.
100%. I've been one of those guys with a great account who pulled from it. 200-400 likes on all my DPs, up to the low thousands on statuses and photos. The fact is it took way more effort than it was worth. I fucked one girl who was average for me back then, but I wouldn't fuck her now and another girl who was super hot but absolutely nutty and massively insecure. A few other girls I hooked up with through Facebook, but already knew them IRL. Could have got them with texting though, at least most of them.
Took part time job hours each week to pull that off. So not worth. Quality IRL is better & it's more motivating to pull quantity because it's more fun than staring at a screen.
I did it for 18 months. Not good for strength or gaining muscle, is good for staying lean and ripped. I agree it's a last resort alternative to lifting, but an amazing supplement. If you just plain don't want to lift it's better than just running or something too.
tallwheel 6y ago
Ah, nuance. That sweet refreshing flavor that was so badly missing from OP.
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Underrated.
I wish there was a better word than "broken plate" but if you don't burn bridges, you can get get sex from girls you like when they're between boyfriends, in from out of town, etc.
"Ex" should be for the oneitis who tore you apart (or the ex wife whose lawyer bent you over the table), not just for girls you never really committed to.
hodltaco 6y ago
NO FAP
For the life of me don't know why this is a thing. Some of the dumbest most EXPENSIVE things I've ever done are because the pipes were full.
AlphaGrad 6y ago
Click-bait title, bullshit article. Aren't you deluded? You half-know things. Go read this first thoroughly.
Zormut 6y ago
Well I don't even know where to start, you are mostly wrong for many reasons.
middaylantern 6y ago
Ok hang on. Being a man does not equal spreading your seed. To define it as that is dangerous and negligent. It creates children born of wedlock and broken families and in no way does Red Pill man equal promiscuity. Unless I am misinterpreting your post it seems like that is what you are trying to say.
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deadassfinna 6y ago
They mean wank or wear protection lol
BokehClasses 6y ago
Oh boy, another fake alpha. If you need to insult other behaviours and other groups of people, chances are you aren't an alpha. Sorry to break it to you bud.
Also, why are you hating MGTOW? They provide less competition to you, right? So why hate them?
Well it's more like a 6 figure salary, not 1 billion dollars. Because you actually have to work for the reward. You've never heard of someone quitting their high paying job because it was too much effort and took a toll on their health?
Posts on this sub should be based in logic, they shouldn't sound like Buzzfeed opinion pieces. Disappointing post.
Original_Dankster 6y ago
Exactly. Pussy isn't analogous to a billion dollars either. That's pedastalizing it.
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invader_zed 6y ago
lol at the body weight part...
Do you know what BUD/s is?
Lmao
I still up voted this post. I agree with most of it. Not all of it. But the body weight part is stupid bro.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
You have to be in the Top 1% of men in terms of physical strength and ability to complete BUD/s. How many men here on TRP fit that criteria?
invader_zed 6y ago
That's actually not true.
You need to be the top 1% of men in terms of mental strength. Physical strength is obviously huge too. But not the top 1%.
Anyway, that's not really my point. My point is that body weight exercise are utilized throughout BUD/s 90% of the time. It's how training is done. Not with weights. For the most part. So even if we were to agree with you, then you'd be proving the point yourself that body weight exercises are some of the absolute best types of exercise. If that's what the top 1% do, right?
EdvardMunch 6y ago
Is there a sub redpill for top percentage guys who were once skinny fat nice guys? I had more confidence when I was lazy (arguably it doesn't matter where confidence comes from, as long as you have it). Now everyone hates me initially, every skinny beta dude; and I have to be extra nice because I'm also very beta most of the time and understand where they come from and I care, I care so much about people. "Don't steal my girl bro" look in their eyes.
If I do have a confident day it's a nightmare as people assume it comes from my appearance. It's better when women wonder where your confidence comes from.
I don't wanna go back to being gross and unkempt but I do want to say guys who aren't beautiful, if yall would just project some damn confidence you'd kill with ladies so much easier. Quality ones too. You'll walk around the room like you own the place and people will go "does that guy own the place?" If you're hot it's "asshole, lucky asshole"
As an attractive dude all I can do is get laid off tinder mostly by 6-7's. In real life girls just use me for rejecting to boost their feeling of self worth or to parade me around, make dudes jealous.
It's not good looks. It's status, it's what class you belong too and money. Creepiest fucking thing you can do is be good looking and not have money, extreme confidence and success. Women feel like you just tried to pull one over on them.
Hope yall enjoyed this ramble.
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Absolutely phenomenal post, I agree with 99%.
NoFap might be dumb, but NO PORN is definitely not dumb. IDC if you fap, but if you watch porn, imo, you're playing yourself. It's a max beta behavior.
SyrianArabArmy 6y ago
You seem to post a lot in man subs, are you definitely a woman as you say? Lol
And what are your thoughts on PoV porn?
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[deleted] 6y ago
And fuck the Syrian faggot army of Bashar the faggot
SyrianArabArmy 6y ago
And fuck self hating Russians who scoop down to mountain Berber atlas tamazighi negro level and yell "death to Kadyrov"
[deleted] 6y ago
Some of us aren't cucks
Some of us are Muslims who don't give a fuck
where the cash at
SyrianArabArmy 6y ago
Lmao you Muslims got chased out by Russians with baseball bats in Germany for 12 of you raping a little Russian girl, I heard over 100 voluntary self deportations
Go join your Muslims in реанимация with your 72 virgins and a lot of cash
Can't wait for AfD and Wilders
[deleted] 6y ago
You're a great example of why ppl shouldn't inbreed
SyrianArabArmy 6y ago
My parents are from different parts of the world, my wife is Syrian.
Meanwhile:
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/psychologist-serious-consequences-of-muslim-inbreeding/
Statistical research on Arabic countries indicates that up to 34 percent of all marriages in Algeria are blood-related
You're still 16% racially deficient, even if you're half Algerian.
parsnippityjim 6y ago
You’re training your brain to be aroused by another man with a huge dick banging a girl. Literally turning yourself into a cuck when you watch porn.
hellofriendo1234 6y ago
Even if you’re not into hardcore porn, the opportunity of novelty just a click away can cause major problems when you are trying to be intimate with a single woman. This is the problem I have, as my porn habit entails 99% softcore/solo stuff. I used to think it wasn’t an issue because I’m not all that into boy-girl or weird freaky fetish shit, but the more I’ve learned the more I’ve realized I’m fooling myself.
It’s an absolutely terrible addiction/habit and needs to be eliminated from any healthy man’s lifestyle.
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
What if you only watch lesbian porn though. Are you "literally turning yourself into a cuck" by watching a girl eating pussy? ????
parsnippityjim 6y ago
Obviously that's a different scenario but I get the sense that lesbian porn is not what the vast majority of guys watch. There are other problems with porn, see the other replies to this comment.
Just went to porn hub: first 12 videos before the scroll on the home page and only one was lesbian, 11 were hardcore guy/girl.
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BrownGummyBear 6y ago
I'm reading so many guys on this sub saying "porn is for losers" "por is for betas" but absolutely NONE gets to explain why. Would you mind doing so?
LukesLikeIt 6y ago
You’re getting sexual satisfaction watching another man fuck the girl you want to fuck. You’re wiring your brain into liking being cucked
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
There's plenty of porn without dicks though. There's plenty of female masturbation vids and lesbian porn. What are your thoughts on watching that type of porn then?
TrueGrey 6y ago
Ever since I was a kid, I've wondered why guys like porn with other dudes in it. It's a god damn mystery.
Atheist_Utopia 6y ago
It's not a mystery, because people imagine themselves being the guy in the tape. It's the only reason they watch it.
BrownGummyBear 6y ago
That's exactly what I was gonna say. The times I've watched porn with a guy and a girl I fantasize about being the guy... I'm not thinking "this is hot, I really wish I could have my girl fucked by that guy" lol
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WISE_TURD 6y ago
Calisthenics are awesome if used in conjunction with weights. Not jumping jacks or some bullshit. Actual calisthenics.
If you can do the following things you're a beast (especially if you're 6 feet or over with leg mass):
I lift and incorporate calisthenics. Very happy with the results.
ThatOneDrunkUncle 6y ago
He literally said "most men have the option to do both"
WISE_TURD 6y ago
I wasn't talking shit about his post - just giving my opinion.
I'm sure he appreciates you having his back though
ThatOneDrunkUncle 6y ago
You wouldn't believe how many internet points I have
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chaseemall 6y ago
That's not the kind of MGTOW he's talking about. If you've proven you can slay, and now you're working on other shit, then cool.
He's talking about people that can't slay and use MGTOW as sour grapes.
aDrunkenWhaler 6y ago
You look good bro, but that's not 10%, more like 15%.
360_no_scope_upvote 6y ago
Most people are complete idiots when it comes to true %. This guy is no exception. People have careers dedicated to finding out true body fat. He's in the 12-14% by my estimates.
kellykebab 6y ago
I think that's a good guess
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aDrunkenWhaler 6y ago
Yeah, the number doesn't mean shit. You should put some mass though. Add at least 5 kg of lean muscles and your world will change.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
The fact that this is the most upvoted comment just shows how many MGTOW losers we have lurking around here.
MGTOW is for losers who quit instead of want to get better. Show me ANY man who has walked away from a successful sex life and decided to say fuck all that and go MGTOW. You can't find any.
MGTOW is just a way for incels to feel better about themselves.
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So essentially any man whose #1 priority in life isn’t chasing pussy is a quitting loser? The guys pursuing their dreams and building careers for themselves who are willing to put getting laid on hold while they study/work for a better future are quitting losers? Fuck off, retard.
AlphaGrad 6y ago
You surely have half-read the sidebar. Go finish that first.
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(Holds frame) Yeah well that’s your opinion.
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CrazyHorseInvincible 6y ago
Don't dox yourself, idiot.
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dzkkne 6y ago
Well, I am glad you are able to pull 8+ every time you go out. You must have gotten bored of it.
I can't pull 8+ every time, so I am working on it. The journey is fun, I like pussy. Seems like yo u don't like it as much. Well, more power to you. I guess we are all MGTOW, we all go our ways.
Since when the definition of MGTOW is "not being interested in fucking girls anymore". Basically guys with low sex drive...
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dzkkne 6y ago
you know, here on TRP people try to put their life in 3 lines which never makes sense. The other thing is people try to come up with a lifelong solutions saying - do this one thing all your life and you will be successful. Thats BS. (btw, not referring to you, just in general).
From what you describe MGTOW, I can attest I use the same principles. I go MGTOW when I need to achieve certain goals and go back to the game when I feel like I need more sex or I want to enjoy it to the full again and just to check my game is still up there.
There will be times in my life where I might decide to go MGTOW for a year or so when you realize that you have a window of time crucial to achieving something you want. Also, I easily see myself letting myself go for a year going on a full on pussy pursuit for the joy of it, just to see where I can go and what can be done - pure curiosity of enjoying your life.
PS> busting a nut when sex is not within reach is always a good option. Been doing it all along just like the next guy.
AyoFoYayo 6y ago
Mtgow isn't about giving up on on "pussy", it's about abstaining from the game. TRP is just a handguide to playing the game.
I started TRP and I'll die mtgow.
And in time, anyone who believes TRP to be insightful, will go 2 ways. Beta Bux, or forever trying to be an alpha in a sea of competition.
Like why bother? Focus on yourself. Pussy comes naturally. Right?
Oscar_Cc 6y ago
Does it? I find it hard to believe except for maybe an extreme minority.
AyoFoYayo 6y ago
Are you in that minority? Cuz I see a heck of lot of ugly ppl with babies..so what's the parameters for this extreme minority?
I meant it, as focus on yourself (fitness&money) and there will be this magical aura you'll radiate..or w.e... (Why else would trp endorse "holding frame" and hitting the gym).
Datanami 6y ago
Shitty, narrow-minded post.
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I don’t agree with number 4. I’m on asktrp pretty frequently and I’ve never seen a comment telling the OP to get back with their ex
Estus- 6y ago
Porn is bad but masturbation will make you lose sensitivity in your dick as well as feel drained afterwards. If you're going to stop porn may as well just go all the way, for me my main problem is porn and without it I have no desire at all to masturbate so that makes it easier.
mental_models 6y ago
so will too much sex...
caffiene is fucking amazing once a week or so, but shitty if you drink 5 cups a day
ditto alcohol
ditto heroin
ditto surfing the web
ditto almost every pleasurable activity that involves dopamine or similar dynamics
master yourself
Smedlock 6y ago
Good post, but there is not a thing as too much sex. For a couple to conceive a child it has been estimated that they must have sex 200 times. So 1/200 will result in a pregnancy. Think about those families with 8 kids. That is 1,600 sessions. When you factor in she was already pregnant half of that time or more you are looking at 4,000 sexual sessions. This is also assuming the man finishes every time, that isn't always the case. So a typical man is designed to have 6,000 sexual experiences over a 12-15 year period in his prime or basically 1-2 per day. And while he may slow down he doesn't stop after that either.
We were designed to have a lot of sex to procreate the human race and until recently (the last few decades) that is what we did based on world population growth numbers the last two centuries and this occurred with vastly higher infant mortality rates and adult mortality rates than the modern era.
The fact is in developed countries 95% of men, whether single or in relationships, are not having enough sex or not good enough sex. Not all of this is our fault or our partners faults, I believe the huge amount of pollution, chemicals, hormones, etc in the food supply has had a big effect had in dampening sexual desire and prowess in developed countries in both of the sexes, and why poor countries, who are not as touched by this, are still having lots of kids.
mental_models 6y ago
are you kidding?
sex addiction and overindulgence is a very real thing.
Same desensitization and seeking out increasingly hardcore stimulation
Smedlock 6y ago
I'm not talking about porn and masturbation, that is not sex. I was talking about real sex which is natural and healthy and is what our bodies are made to do on a regular basis, for a typical healthy male once or twice every day, usually with a monogamous partner.
arthurabyssal 6y ago
The Problem With Calisthenics is that is is performance-based, not muscle-building based oftentimes. Doing 20 fast pull-ups is an achievement, but doing bodybuilding-style slow controlled chin-ups with an arched back, feet behind you and head looking up builds great back muscles. Doing regular dips will not build huge muscles better then rope pulldowns or bench press, but doing Gironda Chest dips with elbows flared outwards, head looking down, feet in front if you and dipping all the way down is THE BEST chest exercise in existence (not kidding it stimulates the chest muscles more than any exercise in EMG studies). Look at this https://youtu.be/a9KCekQZij8
Heck I've been squatting and sissy squatting (a great thigh-sweep builder) in the gym for 7 months and I can barely do ONE pistol squat all the way down.
BobbyPeru 6y ago
Ever since I stopped fapping, sex with my wife has tripled. Of course, swallowing the pill was an even bigger factor.
tallwheel 6y ago
I doubt he had married men in mind when he wrote the OP.
And, yeah, if you fap and are married, you are going to feel less inclined to fuck your wife often. That's pretty obvious.
BobbyPeru 6y ago
I thought about that, but I think it applies for single guys. It’s a good motivator to practice game. If I was single, I’d want to plate a few and rotate them.... still would be no need to fap
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BobbyPeru 6y ago
It is what you make it. I’m a fan of DEVI- just about every woman has a dirty girl inside her
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Yep, this post is the sad truth.
A lot of this can be summed up to people wanting to look for the short way to success, the hacks, the easy way, how they can get what they want without an abnormal amount of effort that terrifies them just to think about being put into it everyday.
The truth is there's no shortcut, no cheat to getting women or anything that really matters in life. There's no tips and tricks that work universally, you have to build yourself into the best version of you and play every situation right with the hand you're given to get any girl you find sexy and desire. This does not mean you will always get them, but your chances will be much much higher.
Trying to find the easy way when it will really be a difficult challenging journey is a blue pill trait. But honestly really belongs to mankind as a whole, our society now doesn't belive in true hardwork or effort. It believes in things being given to you by others, and that if you do certain things that other people say you will always be rewarded. This is not reality.
Also make sure to get out there and be down to earth constantly, nothing will beat an organic level headed guy, don't be afraid to show women what you want.
WolfofAnarchy 6y ago
Following posts like these with binary thinking and going 'oh no, i can't read this article because it'll make me beta!' is the most hilarious thing ever.
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JohnnyCocktails93 6y ago
I️ agree with your overall message. But I️ will say PUA has its time and place.
I️ prefer to look at it like this.
TRP is about fundamentals, frame, and inner game. It allows you to recognize the game for what it is so you don’t get taken for a ride. The game is always being played whether you like it or not. Either you learn how to navigate the waters and succeed or you get tooled.
PUA arms you with the necessary tactics to succeed in environments where the SMP is inherently skewed e.g. clubs, bars, etc.
That said I️ think PUA is hollow without embracing TRP. It’s like being able to throw a football 70 yards but not having good footwork, not being able to read defenses, nor managing the clock during crunch time.
TRP is the foundation. PUA is just one of the tools at your disposal for certain situations.
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The OP makes some good points, but it's too general. Take the MGTOW description, sure some of the MGTOW guys are as he described, but I think the majority are not. Like many groups, MGTOW is diverse. Many guys in this group are not guys that can't get women, they are guys that had girlfriends or wives that fucked them over. After being fucked over, some guys get tired, give up, and go their own way.
whisky1111 6y ago
Why does everything have to be all or nothing?
And, I thought that taking the red pill meant making your own path instead of the path that others decide for you!
Why is there all the sudden a "right path" for a red pilled man. All the examples you mention seem legit to me AS LONG AS THE DUDE IS WOKE!
bumbuff 6y ago
The post isn't about the right path but several common fake paths
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TheRedPillMonkey 6y ago
I think there is a pretty big gap between NoFap and too much fap.
Glacierdust 6y ago
I agree with everything you said. I do, however, wish to point out two things that I do not want you to see as disagreement but that I believe need to be said.
1) NoFap seems to have inexplicably found its way onto this sub...perhaps because both subreddits are specific to men. In any case, you're right - the enemy is porn rather than masturbation. BUT it is certainly possible to be addicted to masturbation and to try to fight the urge to "beat the meat" and fail and succumb to it. This too is a danger that men must struggle against. Your body wants to be comfortable; it wants to not lift heavy, it wants to eat sugar, it wants cum all over the place whenever the urge arises. The Stoics teach us to not indulge the body. We need to eat simple meals that are healthy and just enough to satisfy our hunger, we need to exercise despite the body's protests and, similarly, we must keep our hands away from our dicks. If you give in to your body's every whim, you turn it into an enemy and therefore present yet another obstacle for your soul to overcome when it's time to exercise willpower.
2) MGTOW is absolute hamstering bullshit. The men who are MGTOW are not high SMV men that caused a vaccuum in the sexual market place when they "went their own way". Nobody noticed. Nobody gave a fuck. True MGTOWs don't use the term - they just live the lifestyle. And they love to parade Nikola Tesla around as a famous example of a man who went his own way...as if they too were ridiculously handsome and could solve complex physics problems in their heads. No shit women were upset when Tesla wouldn't commit but, once again, nobody gives a shit that the MGTOWs on here are boycotting women. That being said, some men really don't want the company of a woman (or at least not frequently) and their attention is captured by something else. I, for instance, have become more selective and have sex less and less frequently than I used to. I'm not giving up on women or anything, I just relaxed my chase and I also don't reply to the few who message me. I'm not depressed, I don't have low T, I don't consider myself MGTOW....I just kind of lost interest in women for the moment. It's not unmanly to turn away from women; it's just unmanly to pretend you turned away from them when in fact they turned away from you first.
Thanks for the list though!
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tallwheel 6y ago
Dude, you're a MGTOW... but the good kind. Not the incel kind.
robbiedigital001 6y ago
On the PUA issue I would say that for me personally some of the general reframes about recognising your own value are in line with red pill philosophy and useful in a wider life context. Again, like anything, approach everything critically, take information that benefits you and discard the rest.
wander_company 6y ago
This seems to be catering mostly to guys that are pretty far along in the success journey though.
The no fap thing for example: Your basically saying if i was getting laid on the regular it wouldnt be an issue worth discussing. But i'm not getting laid on the regular..... I find that not fapping helps to push me out into situations that i will get laid, so i dont see your logic with that one at all
IAmAHumanB3ing 6y ago
Disagree with what he says about NoFap.
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mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Like moths to a flame. So much hamstering I wouldn't be surprised if some of these men have used the hamster power to activate a flux capacitor and travel back in time to the 1950s.
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mental_models 6y ago
This is a good post.
Unfortunately, there's a market for most (if not all) of the topics you mentioned.
edit: Apparently at least four people disagree and/or don't understand the concept of market demand.
Fedor_Gavnyukov 6y ago
social media is damn useful. i match with girls on tinder on the daily. greatest and easiest way to get laid. its like free delivery of pussy to my door. haters gonna hate.
mallardcove Endorsed Contributor 6y ago
Tinder isn't social media. I'm talking about Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, etc.
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Fedor_Gavnyukov 6y ago
you pay for everything with your time. that makes no sense.
RPTA3498 6y ago
My bullshit excuse for bodyweight fitness. I train MMA/BJJ/Muay Thai about 7-10 hours per week. Only have time to get 1, maybe 2 lifting sessions in per week.
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Rian_Stone 6y ago
Skimmed, but the headers line up with what I've seen.
boo_radley_awesome 6y ago
WOW. Thank you.
This needs to be stickied or put in the goddamn sidebar applause
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AwkwardEmpath 6y ago
I enjoy posts like these, thanks mallard, well said.
bi_winner 6y ago
NoFap is a redpill concept because fucking your hand while some alphas fuck real women shows that you are being utilized as a alpha slave and prized with nothing except some humble amount of money, netflix and porn. There is nothing more blue pilled than this in my opinion.
Candence_To_Arms 6y ago
I can see the benefit to, on the rare occasion, snapping a quick one off. Women can be pleasurable company indeed but they aren't a focus for many of us. They are a side pleasure we enjoy at our leisure. I try to keep a pretty busy schedule while spinning a plate or two. So therefore, I'm left with little spare time to waste. And i enjoy utilizing my time properly. Every moment of my day is used constructively. But if I'm juggling a couple things during the day and that primal urge just starts to well up but I've got a million other things I want to be more focused on, I will gladly bust a quick nut to subside that urge and get back to more pressing matters.
Responsible moderation people
arthurabyssal 6y ago
I did nofap for 3 months and my dick became too sensitive and sore. A 'Maintenence Fap' is neccessary, if you wanna keep in the sperm then thats fine but a dick needs an amount of friction so you don't hurt yourself if you suddenly fuck a girl hard
strikethrough123 6y ago
I think there's a clear line between fapping because you can't get any and fapping to get sex off your mind to accomplish an important task.
mental_models 6y ago
or occasionally fapping to bust a nut. Or for any other reason.
Just don't overindulge and become a desensitized exhausted addict.
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Arkasio 6y ago
Perhaps you are in the 1% OP talked about. In that case I congratulate you. Other than that, this is too much bragging for my taste.
htbf 6y ago
What do you post on Snap and Insta?
I'm 28, weekdays I'm at the office, working, and that's not exciting enough to be worth any social media post. Evenings, I'm either taking care of myself, my place or my social circle. I'm not doing anything crazy worth a social media post either.
So wtf are you doing all week long to attract that much attention?
drl4k3 6y ago
In that case, maybe you can help us with some instagram game? or give us any good advice as to how to improve our social media profiles and ideas?
Fapisluv 6y ago
You are either a rich parent male model or a liar.If it is the first,good for you,but the huge majority here wont ever be able to come near your experiences.
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Fapisluv 6y ago
The post was saying that only the highest tier men can benefit from social media.You are saying that is bullshit,because you gain benefit from them.
I am telling you that you are one of the top of the top men that OP talked about,and that most guys wont ever have the capability to relate to your experience.
cellphon 6y ago
Good post. I didn't agree with all your points.
No fap. Testerorone drops sharply after you cum. That is a fact. Sex or the pursuit of new sex should always take precedent over flapping. It's like eating kibble instead of hunting for fresh juicy meat. I would recommend jacking off no more then once a week or even better once every two weeks if you can't sex.
Pua. The way I see it, TRP is strategy and Pua is tactics. Yeah having an amazing tactic but no strategy will make you lose the war. A lot of Pua stuff work and are valid. How you should text, how you should escalate physically and so on work in the real world and it would be silly to ignore that knowledge.
Returning to exes. Whats wrong of having a plate that fucks you on demand and doesn't require any emotional or financial support?
Social media. I agree. I don't have social media but will say I lost a few guaranteed bangs because the girls insisted to see my facebook to verify my social standing, not being a catfish and so on. Still the cost and time sink of maintening a social media presence is not cost effective.
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Source? I set gym PRs every time I lift after beating off. Even if it is true, I doubt it drops a substantial amount. Maybe like 0.3% or some miniscule amount.
Bigjohnthug 6y ago
He doesn't have one because it's not true. I would cite but I'm on mobile. Basically there is a temporary (too short to matter) spike and dip, so it depends how long you wait o measure. Above baseline a small amount ~1hr later IIRC.
Also, the smell of pussy juice doubles testosterone for a short period. Probably too short to matter unless you fuck your gf at the gym though.
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I believe the second part. The perfume some girls wear, even if they are ugly, gets me pretty horny and I feel like I have energy and need to fuck something. Not the smell of pussy juice exactly, but I think a smell that kind of turns you on could have a similar effect.
tibikush2012 6y ago
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