TL;DR a simple, extremely basic but still very powerful situation from a store I visited today.
Body
I went to a interior shop nearby to get a french-press. I want to improve my tea making skills, because as we all know, good tea making skills are an obvious sign of alphaness. Especially when it's a superior, loose-leaf one.
And there she was. A babbling woman, dashing between shelves. "Should we get this one? How about this one? What do you think? Or maybe we could use this thing?"
With her, there was a slim guy, obviously younger than me, looking very bored. He reluctantly answered something along the lines of...
"I don't know".
The woman picked up a glass jar with a wooden lid. "And what do you think about this one? Would it make a good sugar-bowl?"
Man mumbled again.
"I have no idea".
Suddenly, my spider TRP Endorsed Contributor(TM) sense activated.
"But I do", I said. "It is awful. It would make a lousy sugar bowl, it is a very bad idea to use it as such".
Woman's face cheered up, instantly. I could hear it in her voice tone, it changed in a blink of an eye.
"Thank you!", she replied cheerfully. "This is the answer I needed! Thank you very much, sir."
"Somebody's not getting his dick sucked tonight", I thought.
And despite the fact I had my Endorsed Contributor(TM) bad-boy gear on, despite having an idea of "let's see what does this guy do if I approach that girl and start helping her with the choice", despite having another idea of "get the phone number and fuck her as she should be fucked for once", I left without saying a word.
I still needed to get that french press. Citrus-flavoured Lipton's green tea won't make itself perfect just like that.
Aftermath
My position in this situation was extremely powerful. I had this woman in my frame instantly and she wanted it, as it brought her relaxation. I took the burden of choice away from her. This is what she craved. Only God knows what I could do with a bored housewife like this one, if I decided to approach her.
And yes, that poor schmuck of her husband is getting shit-tests for the supper tonight. Or, maybe I did bring him one step closer to finding his red pill. Maybe.
That guy was younger than me, had hair, in my opinion he was a bit more handsome than me. This still didn't make him better fuck than me because this is more about the frame and the game, much less about the age and the looks.
And yes, I was that guy once. I had a wife once. Now I pay child support and see my kids twice a week and every second weekend. Don't be me and if you do still have a wife and you're reading this and you think you and that guy have something in common, perhaps it is a good time to try to save your family and look deeper in the rabbit hole.
Godspeed.
redolas 6y ago
Tl; dr: I met a girl, she didn't know what to choose. I helped her choose. I made her happy. I feel so good about myself. Now she's going home with beta and will suck his dick, even though she could suck my awesome dick. See how smart I am?
She wasn't shit-testing shit. She was genuinely not knowing how to decide. Yes, as a man, you can decide and you can help, if you want to. You can help her pick up a heavy item, it's the same thing. And if you're a husband, it's kinda your role to do, because that's how it is. But just because you want to help doesn't mean she wants to fuck you.
You're still helping her to prove yourself. And that is wrong. A woman will fuck you if she finds you attractive and if she's in the mood, not because you were helpful.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
It does give credence to the idea that women are desperate for men with frame.
Gallobrax 6y ago
While this was a rather simple example I completely agree. Despite this, I don't think women are explicitly looking for men with frame (in fact I'd argue they don't have the first clue what they want) but are more or less looking to take the path of least resistance to satisfy their biological imperatives.
Zweihander747 6y ago
You are def super overprojecting here dude.
we have all been in the situation shopping with a gf and bored out of our minds. Just bc he was following his gf around shopping doesnt mean he's a beta and her doormat
Also, just bc she appreciated your opinion on the sugar bowl, doesnt mean you would have had her eating in palm of your hand if you'd continued
You seem to be glorifying a minor interaction into some grand RP lesson, which it really seems like it wasnt
TermsOfColors 6y ago
The guy probably wasn't even listening to her. OP can discuss tea leaves and various containers for sugar with the girl and the other guy can wear out her ass later that night. Everybody wins.
sadomasochrist 6y ago
Yeah no shit man. I mean to be honest, I'd have been ridiculing this guy in the car too.
RealityTastesGreat 6y ago
As described, he's not reading her mind but rather reporting her obviously pleasured response, I don't see where there is anything beyond the minimum potential for projection of any interaction.
The seeming beta in tow could have not gone shopping, but since he did the next best thing is setting the tone and taking the lead, as did the OP
TunedtoPerfection 6y ago
I don't follow women around shopping, when you do that they begin to assume your wallet is their wallet. Yes he is projecting a lot with the simple interaction. But following a gf around shopping being a moppy, bored guy is being a beta doormat.
I go shopping with women sometimes, but I make sure I am fully amused during the entire event. If your going somewhere you don't want, because someone with a vagina might get mad if you don't go, your being a beta doormat.
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Auvergnat 6y ago
I'll be nicer than OP and give you an informed answer.
The red pill is not about simply banging girls or how to have a nice life without banging girls, it's about everything that revolves around men/women dynamics given the sexual market place.
OP did not make that post to tell people to not get bored when they go shopping with their missus. He didn't make that post to tell people that he could pick her up.
He made that post to illustrate one main tenet of red pill theory that male/female natural relationship dynamics is that the man is to be in charge. He makes the point that women instinctively crave for the opportunity to not have to make the decisions so as to not have to bear the consequences of bad choices.
OP's anecdote reveals that (1) the natural dominant male / submissive female dynamics is at play and women want a man to take charge even for the smallest things, and that (2) men nowadays have no fucking clue that this is happening under their eyes.
It is the exact same dynamic at the root of why TRP will tell youngsters to take charge of organizing your first date with your tinder girl, or tell old-timers to take back the control of the family finances and vacations.
This short FR is highly relevant to this sub, and if you don't see it, it means you have not grasped what this sub is about quite yet. But I'm sure that if you stick around a few more months, you'll eventually see it.
redolas 6y ago
Nice save, and I agree with your analysis. Only, OP hasn't mentioned any of this.
Gallobrax 6y ago
An excellent reply. This is exactly what the red pill is and what the above poster needed to hear. There are far to many people who view TRP as pure sexual strategy - a contributing factor to why this movement gets the bad rep that it does.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Sounds like somebody's not getting his dick sucked at all.
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ex_addict_bro 6y ago
In your other posts, you're asking how to get a casual relationship, what's the best way. I just described such way, but it is beyond your comprehension. I saw your post history and I really hope you get your shit together, but as for now, you're not a person I could argue with, sorry. Godspeed.
PaperStreetVilla 6y ago
No need to engage. No room in here for newbie bravado.
Sativa_Dreams 6y ago
You made good points in the post but your comments just show you as a fake it til you make it schmuck. If you were so alpha why would you even be arguing with redditors, the childish comment and need for validation is as beta as it gets, given your reaction as soon as someone speaks an opposing opinion. You basically just lost all creditability in this post because of it and I'd say you lost frame as well.
And while I don't agree with the commenter, this post had some good information and lessons.
PaperStreetVilla 6y ago
I'll tell you this. That man has been through hell and back, with the field reports to show for it.
Your radar is off, slow your role
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He's the furthest from a karma whore I have ever seen.
Auvergnat 6y ago
Let me clear it up for you.
Act 1: OP writes a post where the main point is about how men nowadays are clueless about human relationship dynamics. He uses the sentence "Somebody's not getting his dick sucked tonight", I thought. to summarize the consequences of that cluelessness.
Act 2: Comes a commenter who fails to see the point of the post, aka demonstrating the same cluelessness about human relationship dynamics. OP could not answer this comment any better by having the exact same thought he had for the guy in the story. It's funny and witty and relevant as fuck.
Get it now?
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Not only they don't get it, but one brought in a down vote brigade in order to help his poor ego. I'm not sure who wasted more time, me posting the post or you explaining it in comments, but it is definitely wasted time.
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Yep I had to expand your comment to see what you said, while he got upvoted to over 35 as of this writing.
I utterly agree that there was an important Red Pill lesson was illustrated here.
This is a fucking case study on how upvotes are nearly useless. Personally, I look for positive comments by EC's when deciding how seriously to take a post (of course, I listen to my own conscious as well).
Auvergnat 6y ago
I post answers not much in the hope to convince the poster, but rather the silent readers on the fence. I'm sure your post was not wasted time for a few hundreds readers who got it, increased their redpill understanding a bit more, but didn't comment.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Thank you for giving me your input on how should I behave.
The problem with young, undeveloped minds is that they need to idealise someone. They just stopped idealising their parents, who should they idealise next?
You're on TRP, so I guess you're done with idealising your girlfriend, at least for now. But how about those endorsed contributors though? Oh yeah, those guys should be this and that, they should act this and that way. And it would be great if they did more of this and less of this. Oh, I'd love such guys.
But guess what, we're all people and the mod team had a moment when they endorsed a lot of guys a few months ago, so basically now I'm smiling when I see some comments and it's red badge all over. On the other hand, I did not ask for it and from my post history you can see that I was very far away from getting it, including those 2 bans, both here and on MRP.
I don't blame you, you just need more experience with those idealisation of yours. I had my moments of truth a few times. One was when I realised that a man who helped me most and I literally did years of improvement in months, thanks to his advice, has actually far worse sexual life than I did. Silly, isn't it? Silly indeed.
English is not my native language and verbal communication, according to top FBI negotiators is only 5%, rest is voice tone and body language. TRP audience is specific and probably way too young and way over invested in porn and masturbation to get the grasp of my post.
And some people, like u/Zweihandler747, just don't get it at all. They treat the "shopping with bored GF situation" as normal. They probably treat shows like "The Simpsons" or "The Family Guy" as normal and if such situations occur in real life (a fat stupid man versus a wise, organised woman). Calling it "blue pill" would be too much, those guys just don't get it.
And if I'm going shopping with my LTR, I'm making this exciting for her. And if not, I'm towing her at least. "Towing" as in "leading the way". Not the opposite. I imagine what would u/TheFamilyAlpha said about the way I handle her and proceed accordingly. That's the way you handle stuff.
The situation I described in my original post is a common situation of extreme importance. It is usually badly ignored in most marriages and/or LTRs. The problem with guys like u/Zweihandler747 is that they just don't get it. But I'm okay with that, marriedredpill for sure needs new members, maybe he'll join some day after getting his ass divorce-raped.
You're more concerned about the tone of my message than about my actual message... which distills to the last sentence of my post.
What was your family like?
drty_pr 6y ago
Very few men will ever find the sheer benefit/quality of a marriage better than TFA. He is a man among men and I owe so much to him for helping get through the anger and realize how good of a women I actually have. Thanks for giving him props where its due.
To echo your sentiment, sometimes you end up shopping with your girl for something that's lame. Never be bored. Shopping for shit with your woman is, IMO, one of the best times to game her. I'll start groping up mannequins, make fun of stupid clothes and laugh at store clerks. Plus it's actually a good time to subcommunicate to her how you'd like her to dress.
Problem with the guys who are slandering you, is that they've never been down the road of shopping for a sugar bowl with soccer mom. They come on here as half way MGTOW; blaming women for being women. They probably won't understand the advice you've given for a long time; if ever.
You spoke of the guy who gave you all that advice. I'd love to know who that is. I have a guess. Also, you gave me some solid advice a couple times that really hit home. One of my favorites was the story you told me about the "bitch slap". I still laugh about that. Thanks for your contributions to RP bro.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Hell yeah. There's no amount of +1 and reddit gold I'd like to add to this paragraph. That's the way you do it.
Well, my guess is they are shopping with their moms everyday.
But, sarcasm aside, the deal is that I understood I must be doing something very, very good, because I am triggering them. Also, this demography also needs such "icons" like me, because you usually don't see such manlets trying to diss other posters.
The funniest thing is, whenever I get that feeling in me and I check their post history, it is always, always video games and/or pot. Always. It's like some kind of daemon does not want me doing the stuff I do and trying to get me, always.
Godspeed.
Gallobrax 6y ago
People use Reddit for a variety of reasons and while I'd agree with you that a persons post history is indicative of their frame it isn't proof of it either. Despite this, I (like you probably are) am amused by the conversation being had here as you gave us a very simple example of an approach. (something many have continuously asked for) Thus it is rather remarkable that you are bashed because it wasn't complicated enough. I think the problem is that some people don't understand why they are here. They look for quick fixes and when their life doesn't evolve into what they think it should be they engage in blame. To me this is the behavior of a woman but what do I know.
Great post and keep on keeping on friend.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Using account for anything else than TRP asks for doxxing and indicates someone who does not get it AT ALL.
Sativa_Dreams 6y ago
Wow, couldn't even read 5 lines of that. Still trying to explain yourself to redditors but this time instead of a snarky one liner, a massive comment that proves fuckall? Like the fuck you going on about just skimming this crap sounds like you're a massive egotistical moron who needs the validation of strangers.
Is this what you spend your time doing? Doesn't seem very "RP" to me. Have fun building blocks of text.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
How is your RC pet in RuneScape doing?
Sativa_Dreams 6y ago
Lmao. Look at yourself bro. Snooping through Reddit history to personally attack someone, holy shit bro get a grip? I thought you were a loser before, I have no words now. Is this your life? You're just empowering everything I've ever said about how you waste time arguing with random strangers. Now you're wasting time going through people's history lmao.
If you think I give a fuck about playing a game lol talk to this bitch https://i.imgur.com/itTMmfM.jpg (and check out what's running on my comp). In between fucking her and making gains at the gym, I play games all while she's drooped over my shoulder. You think I give a fuck what YOU think? A sniveling lying beta schmuck redditor that I've never met? lol
Wanna know the worst part? I actually said in my original comment that I agreed with some of the points you made in your post. It's so sad how you can't take ONE SINGLE piece of constructive criticism without dropping your "frame" entirely. Not that you ever had a frame.
Stop being a loser. Get off the internet. Go to the gym. Stop giving a fuck about what people say, including me. Stop tryharding through peoples Reddit history trying to gain some traction for insults. Last but not least, don't even respond to this. Use my antagonizing comment as your first lesson to not giving a fuck. Just roll with it. No need to argue. Anything you reply with I'm not going to read. This is as big a waste of time for me as it was for you. The only reason I chose to respond is to show you that it doesn't matter if I play runescape or if I play fuckin Dora the explorer, keep your confidence and maintain frame and it doesn't fucking matter. Your petty attempt to get me to break frame over a silly video game was cute at best.
Stop trying to get others to notice you're living RP and go live it.
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
So how's your Diablo character developing, I've heard you had some trouble with this game and was stuck for a moment. I hope things are fine and your Druid is leveling, ayt?
Btw you wanna impress me bro show me your six pack and not some Hb4 from Phillipines.
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what
You said one sentence irl and got one back, now making a multi-paragraphed post about it..?
Not to mention you left the store without looking for what you wanted..?
This post is really out and about with what you actually want to convey to people imo
Not hating, I'm not getting the core of what you want to say.
Thotwrecker 6y ago
The core of what he wants to say is that there is a subtext in everyday, normal situations. Cut out the shit about tea leaves and french presses, and you have a very typical, boring scenario that is a cliche that no one bats their eyes around. Girl dragging BF around shopping, answering IDK to all of her questions, just passively trying to make her happy by letting her lead the way.
This is bad. Now, it's entirely possible that the chick wasn't getting moist just because OP was confident and had an actual opinion. That may or may not be real - but what is real is that you can cleave through the ennui and dryness that women experience when they are forced to lead by immediately taking charge.
Is it a super basic point using a super basic example? Yes. Do people on here not get the value of leading - and the fact that leading your bitch is important even if you are doing a stereotypically "balls in her purse" activity like shopping with her? Also yes.
argcisman 6y ago
He's saying that women always wants to be lead and have their choices directed by someone else(an alpha).
This is why you always have to stay on top of your game with a girlfriend.
max_peenor 6y ago
Legal Cohabiting Female used to do this shit to me a lot. I warned her early on it was a bad idea with me; my mommy that didn't hug me enough used to try this shit with me a I entered my teen years and it just pissed me off eventually. I'd just walk away from her. LCF persisted anyway. So if I actually had a real opinion, I would give it and then that was the end of discussion. If I did not have an opinion I would randomly grab one and say this was the one. She'd ask me why and I'd decline an answer. This is the one. She would then take that one and put it back and pick another one to buy.
You see, she already knew which one she wanted. She always knew which one she wanted. She just wanted to make sure I was ok with it. If I had an opinion and I aired it, she would go with it. If I just randomly picked one, she knew I didn't care and all that needed to happen was a decision. If I actually SAID this in words, she would get embarrassed and pissed. Instead, she needed it to happen through mostly non-verbal communication.
This is where men fuck things up all the time. First, women are much better at communication. Second, they easily get embarrassed and their reaction to it is often anger. If you can master enough of their forms of communication, dealing with the Vaginal Moments gets a lot faster and easier for all involved. Non-verbal communication can be hard to master, but if you actually pay attention to everything a woman does, you'll eventually get it.
Years later after I started doing this, as women get older they tend to chill out, I actually had this conversation with LCF. She agreed.
HanzoMainKappa 6y ago
This post reeks of mental masturbation
JaYogi 6y ago
And if you have a kid, but aren't married?
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platewrecked 6y ago
The easiest ways to dry your wife's pussy up is to say "I don't know" or "you decide".
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
The problem with the blue pill mythology / media is that they usually show guys laughing at this. There are stand-up comedy sketches based on a man asking "what do you want for a dinner darling" and woman replying "I don't know, what you want". I used to laugh at it, I used to think about women that they're stupid because they can't decide. This is all bullshit. Man leads the way, woman needs a leader. There's nothing to laugh at. We should rather laugh at the guy who asks the woman "what do you want"...
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iuhoisrdhtawepor 6y ago
I think the reason why people downvote you is that solely from the text, we can't accurately judge the situation. You were there, by observing them you probably got a pretty good idea of the dynamic between them (or the lack thereof) by noticing body language, how they talk to each other, how the guy presented himself, et cetera.
But that's hard to convey in a text, which is the reason why it seems you are over-analyzing or jumping to quick conclusions.
Red_Faust 6y ago
This is a more insightful observation than many commenters make it out to be.
My opinion: if I have to exert the mental and emotional price to micro-lead a woman in every little detail of her life... for the same price I want to be with a lot of them.
Having a LTR like this is like having a child that never grows up. Tiresome.
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Real LOL on that one bro, well played.
Bing400 6y ago
Just how complicated does making tea get?
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
Allusion to http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-make-the-perfect-pot-of-tea
Sad times or I'm getting older, I need to explain everything.
drty_pr 6y ago
Fuck a coffee press for tea! I got ya covered homie
Certifiedfamilylaw 6y ago
That took an unexpected turn. Your tone was totally annoying, until the end where there seemed some sincerity. Good work
ex_addict_bro 6y ago
What's even more annoying is that you millenials can't detect sarcasm unless somebody places a big gaping "/s" somewhere for you.
Rian_Stone 6y ago
Fuck, man your quips get funnier the longer I read
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