Going to zero sugar is hard but if you do it, it will change your body and life. Why you should get to zero is covered in the essential Gary Taubes book The Case Against Sugar, and I recommend you read it. Knowing that you should get to zero is easy but implementing changes to get to zero is very hard. Society is against you and sugar is all around you.
To make the changes necessary to get to zero you have to swim upstream against the society that you live in. Most people will hold you back. Your diet should focus on nuts, vegetables, and some natural oils, especially olive oil. Roasting vegetables is especially important and if you don't know how to do it Google that shit right now. Breakfast should usually be eggs with some vegetables or some complex carbs like quinoa.
I first made these changes more than ten years ago and they were very hard at the time. With discipline and time they have become normal in my life and I have systems in place to make them easier.
Humans have not evolved to ingest the large amount of sugar that most modern humans do. Most people are too lazy and undisciplined to make these changes and it shows in every facet of their life.
I am not the Buddha and I will sometimes have a small ice cream on hot summer days or a good pastry, but those exceptions are rare. Sometimes I will also make social exceptions because sometimes the right thing to do is to take the beer. Under most alcohol-based circumstances through you should prefer something like vodka and soda or whiskey and soda or red wine.
/u/Grimy_range's post "The never ending shit tests I have experienced while losing weight" inspired this one. So did a lot of the conversations I've had with younger guys and gals at work. I've never been a fattie but I have gotten lots of curious looks, questions, and sometimes outright shit for declining the never-ending donuts, bagels, and other food that most people relentlessly shovel into their gaping maws. I've also gotten a lot of shit for my love of biking, mostly again from car-based fatties.
My kids also relentlessly whine about food at my place versus food at their mothers'. Fortunately they're also now old enough that I can tell them to eat what I make or make it themselves. Don't like what's on the table? Change it yourself.
There is so much around you you cannot control. You can control what you stick in your face. This post is not very long because it doesn't need to be. You will achieve what you achieve or you won't. You will reap the pleasures or sorrows of the way you lead your life.
At The Red Quest I've archived all my RP writing.
enigmatic360 6y ago
Extreme habits are ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with having a spoonful of honey or a fucking mango. Unless you mean refined sugar. Didn't bother, obvious marketing shill.
nearshore 6y ago
I did quit suger two years ago. I cannot say I see a difference (probably because I'm used to it), but what I can say is, that I do not feel the addiction anymore. And this makes me happy: just sitting around with my folks and saying 'no' without regrets.
I do recommend it to everyone!
Parvenu76 6y ago
For anyone who is interested in Gary Taubes, I recommend this playlist:
Nutrition Past and Future: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv3QDzdxan_JkGX47Rpboyh2oYyAFZDBA
The first 16 episodes are dedicated to Gary Taubes and his work. Mr. Taubes has abundant citations in his books, some of them are very obscure. I don't think he ever anticipated anyone would do the digging to look up his references. The man who published this playlist did, and provides context from other nutritional literature. You can see them for yourself and determine if you want to put Faith in Gary Taubes credibility and integrity as a "science journalist".
HitchensTwoPointOh 6y ago
Sugar in the for of raw fruit is fine in the morning/early afternoon, gotta get those balanced micros. I still consume 5 servings of fruit and vegetables each a day while prepping for a physique competition and I haven' been sick - even a cold - for 3 years. Great post I just had to add that in because there are people out there who would read that and genuinely think cutting out fruit was a good idea.
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Long story short. Keto diet is the best. You eill feel amazing.
DeathToTheZog 6y ago
No energy drink? No cold crisp sprite? I don't know man, at what point do we go overboard? You have made me research this though, so I thank you.
VancouverSucks 6y ago
Energy drink? Cmon man. Smh.
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Fuck it dude, no sugar no porn lets go.
Need2LickMuff 6y ago
No added sugar + low dietary sugar (only really consumed lactose and veggie carbs) is what I attribute to my ~9" waistline reduction. I did that + IF and went from ~41" to 33" in a matter of 2 months (no exercise, either).
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Does this include sugar in fruits as well?
SgtBrutalisk 6y ago
No. Fruits are the most complete meal you can have, which is why there is the saying, "An apple a day keep the doctor away".
You can't build muscles off of fruits alone, but they are miles ahead of any degenerate candy of sweet coming out of a food producer's lab.
SnivelingCoward 6y ago
Theres people here that actually lift and need 3500-4000 calories, which is almost impossible to do without sugar here and there. Just dont eat ice cream and donuts all the time, a cheat here and there is fine. Have some fruits. Dont go completely no sugar. I think 'no sugar' just means no processed foods like pop tarts, donuts, etc
banginasgard 6y ago
This is on the same vein of my comment about no added sugars. I eat fruit but avoid added sugars whenever possible.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
I'm on 2600 calories to try to gain on Keto. 5'11/175# and it was difficult at first. That's 5 steaks or around 65 pieces of bacon. I kept trolling grocery isles and found boars head sausage. 1080 calories each and the fat and protein the calculator told me to target. Eating it was brutal though, at fist it wasn't bad but it became nearly unbearable. Even Boston Market needs about 3 half chicken meals (30 bucks) with double creamed spinach. The cheat codes seem to be chicken wings, 26 largish wings is around 2600 calories and most of us here can knock that out in one setting.
If you think No Sugar and Keto are insanely limiting wait till you meet the alt-right/antifas of low carbs..... Zero Carb. Those guys eat just meat.
SnivelingCoward 6y ago
They all have their vices. But from my experience, eating 4000+ calories clean is fucking ridiculous. I like cutting better because im not spending all day eating. The only shortcut is eating 'dirtier' foods but then you just feel like shit. Its worth it in the end, after a good ole solid bulk though
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Mess around with TKD. Up your carb intake to about 50g before your workout. Or do a CKD and take up IF on your off days for a recomp.
BlackJ1 6y ago
This.
The daily amount of sugar the American Heart Association recommends is 37.5 grams for men and 25 grams for women. Your average joe eats well over that, however I believe the main point is simply not eat high sugary foods every single day.
TrogRP 6y ago
You're average joe drinks well over that. One coke can already sends you over the top with 39g sugar. An average sugary Starbucks coffee can be around 50g. People aren't concious of their sugar drinking and caffeine dependency is usually a bad habit for this reason since it gets you hooked daily.
ioncloud9 6y ago
a single 12oz can of non diet soda is more than 37.5 grams.
fecesfacial 6y ago
Taubes covers the "how much is too much?" idea in the book. The answer is possibly "any." The fact is that the risk of developing metabolic syndrome is compounded through generations of poor eating (thanks mom). Also, recommended amounts by the AHA are based on science bought and paid for by the sugar industry. Eating (close to) no added sugar is surprisingly easy.
banginasgard 6y ago
It's interesting because on some days when I eat a lot of fruit or sugar-heavy vegetables I can get quite a few grams on my daily total. I've hit 50g with no added sugars
fecesfacial 6y ago
The difference between fruits/vegetables and added sugar is fiber. The mechanisms of how fiber slows the raising of blood glucose levels and thus insulin is a little bit beyond my understanding, but Taubes does his best to explain it in the book. There's a really high-level overview of the Case Against Sugar on netflix called Fed Up that is pretty good. It tries to pull on the heart strings a little more, but it does a good visual job of explaining the difference between an orange and a coke.
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thank you, thank you so much! Sometimes this sub really go crazy with borderline stupid "Lifestyles".
No Porn, No Sugar...what is this here the feminist Catholics?
Get this into your heads, I will never ever call anyone an "alpha" who has to give up so many conveniences of life just for pussy.
An alpha can eat sugar, watch porn AND get pussy. Thats why we call him alpha. Get it? good!
djthiago1 6y ago
Protip: It's not all about the pussy. Life lesson: If you don't care about yourself, no one will.
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"Protip"? "Life Lesson"? care to show me your degrees Professor?
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
You mean self control and discipline are positive traits?
[deleted] 6y ago
Dude. Spot on. If you're eating a bunch of shit made for betas by betas, you're in trouble.
Only cattle eat crap out of convenience.
Blows my mind.
WhorehouseVet 6y ago
The only source of my sugar is 3 spoonfuls of peanut butter during the day. It helps to bring up my total calories.
DigitallyDisrupt 6y ago
You should definitely make your own. I hated peanut butter till i was introduced to, fresh from the food processor PB. No sugar added, just peanuts.
djthiago1 6y ago
Try organic/natural peanut butter with no added sugar.
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WhorehouseVet 6y ago
Stop with your bullshit broscience, a calorie is a calorie, whether it's from carbohydrate, protein, or fat. Or are you saying 3 spoonfuls of BP neglect all the fresh food that I cook for myself? Get your concern trolling out of here.
If BP is empty calories, then the amout of magnesium, fiber, protein and vitamin B in it all must be bullshit.
fecesfacial 6y ago
Read the book. A calorie is not a calorie. There's more to food than protein, fat, and carbohydrates
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cherryCanSuckMyDick 6y ago
Whenever you say empty calorie, I keep reading it in Steinbrenners voice from Seinfeld
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WhorehouseVet 6y ago
Sorry dude, there's been tonnes of concern trolling lately. I just get mad when I live a healthy lifestyle and people just disqualify it because I have some peanut butter/can of coke/a slice of cheesecake.
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madmike11 6y ago
Carbs are anabolic because they spike insulin (bodybuilders inject that thing) so yeah if you are trying to build muscle (and fat) carbs and sugar are your friends.
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djthiago1 6y ago
Way better to eat tons of rice, potatoes, and beans, than added sugar. Sugar is pure poison.
SnivelingCoward 6y ago
Have you tried hitting 4-500 carbs purely on rice and beans? Not to mention beans are something like 75% fiber. Get most of your carbs from pasta or rice, then the rest can be from fruit or some other carb source like a granola bar or something. Every now and then, dont be scared to have some pizza, ice cream, etc to hit macros, for bulking. Keyword: for lifters who are bulking.
djthiago1 6y ago
Not in one meal, but i guarantee one can eat that amount with regular food throughout the day. Sumo fighters do it.
thetotalpackage7 6y ago
You saying sumo wrestlers eat clean bro?
djthiago1 6y ago
Yes. 90% of what they eat is RICE.
https://medium.com/@SylviaTaraPhD/by-any-standard-the-sumo-wrestler-would-be-considered-obese-596defe012a9
dongpal 6y ago
and why? to lose fat or what?
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SgtBrutalisk 6y ago
NotAllCarbs
I haven't seen OP make that distinction, so I will do it: "sugars" and carbohydrates are not the same. By advocating against the former, I fear OP might accidentally advocate against the latter as well.
It's true that we've never had such an abundance of carbs in our diet, which has detrimental long-term effects on the human body (obesity, diabetes), but some more complex carbs, such as dietary fiber, are actually very useful.
As long as less than 50% of your daily calories comes from carbs, you'll be fine. Of course, if you can afford protein meals (meat), go right ahead, but there's a reason sugar is so abundant: it is cheap and as such is the meal of paupers.
SCO77_SCARCIA 6y ago
How are all carbohydrates not sugar? The liver will metabolize all carbohydrate (except fiber) as GLUCOSE. There's different glycemic profiles on all carbs, but at the end of the day, it's all glucose.
SgtBrutalisk 6y ago
Carbs are sugar, but not all carbs are "sugar", as in, not all carbs are this often-maligned dietary category. There are different levels of molecular complexity that make a world of difference in how the impact the digestive tract and the body.
SCO77_SCARCIA 6y ago
Ive been on a SKD (standard ketogenic diet) for close to 2 years now and it has completely changed my life physically and mentally. This is coming from a collegiate wrestler where energy efficiency has always been a goal.
What ppl don't understand (esp in the comments) is that u're either running off of GLUCOSE or KETONES. There is no middle ground for energy. Everyone is different with insulin sensitivity/resistance so finding ur appropriate net carb is something ppl need to experiment with.
Once u're truly fat adapted, there will never be a need to carb reefed, maybe only for sanity. CARBS R NOT A LIFE ESSENTIAL MACRO NUTRIENT. Also, the protein myth in the fitness world is complete BS, excess protein converts to glucose via gluconeogensis.
Everyone should watch these videos on this youtube channel about nutritional ketosis
smirk_addict 6y ago
No sugar? Dude that's probably harder to quit than porn. I'm going to look into this though. Great post.
Roaring40sUK 6y ago
Hey.
Start by cutting out the obvious - chocolate, sweets, processed food, fruit juice, soda etc. Then cut out all simple carbs, and go from there.
Once you see the benefits, it will come a lot easier.
EscortSportage 6y ago
I agree, and here is why (i have these chats all the time with people, since i enjoy human bio/fitness/muscle/training) The narcissist comes out...
When people say "sugar free or no sugar added, or low sugar" its harder than it seems.
Everything we eat either has some form of sugar or gets turned into sugar when it goes into your body.
I told my brother (a beta) stop eating sugar! Him and millions of other people believe "i dont put white refined sugar on a spoon and put it on my food/coffee/etc" Then I said that doesnt matter, you are still taking in way to much sugar.
soda, gatorade, that shit dressing or shit kitchup, its not organic and most liley has HFCS and other sugar/sweeteners in it, its gabage,
"protein pancakes, or muffins" sugar
bread=sugar carbs=sugar baby carrots=sugar
I try to stay min. sugar
just be aware of this stuff gents, read labels, eat real whole organic food.
train hard
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skydragonwhore 6y ago
Try both at the same time. Shit's rough.
ToFapNoMorelsTheGoal 6y ago
As someone who's been eliminating sugar from his diet on and off (whenever I'm on a cut) for the past couple of years but who's only now three weeks into nofap (after years of trying), I can tell you that quitting porn is harder, at least for me.
VanillaVeku 6y ago
First step I took was replacing every drink with water. Regardless if it's at home, or fast food, or restaurant. Easy-mode is allowing yourself a treat or two during special occasions/get-togethers
lvl99jacked 6y ago
I move 50lbs bags of feed for a full time job. I'll write something up later, but the point I'm at a spot where sugar (on a work day, one sip) ruins my mental and physical health seemly for that day.
HeyN0ngMan 6y ago
I've been doing this for for a month now. It's the fucking worst but also the best. It's really opened my eyes to how powerfully addictive and harmful sugar can be.
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yomo86 6y ago
I went low sugar instead of no sugar. As OP pointed out treats like the ice cream cone in summer, the honey marianade or the beer with friends are just too much on the pleasant side which I suppose negate the negative feeling of low sugar ie "I am not allowed cuz diet". Other than that no sugar. No soda, no HFCS foods, no random treats.
What helped me extremly was lifting hard and intermittent fasting as the later decreases your insulin tolerance which happily reduces the cravings for sugary foods.
yaminub 6y ago
I've been doing all of that, but no beer? Damn
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Here's the thing to keep yourself motivated: remember that it's mere moments of pleasure with significant long-term harm. Even porn doesn't do anything negative unless you really overdo it and some studies have actually shown that ejaculating at least every few days is important for prostate health.
Sugar, however, is bad for you in pretty much any quantity and so the only reason for it is you feel like present you deserves a treat at the expense of future you. You're not a fucking dog, you don't need a treat because you were a good boy.
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Don't listen to posters saying that this is debunked or wrong. It's absolutely correct and the top study is the most current done on this subject with a ten year follow up.
http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
[deleted] 6y ago
These studies have been easily debunked in terms of masturbating to ejaculate.
[deleted] 6y ago
No, they haven't. I just posted the most recent study of this kind with a ten year follow up.
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[deleted] 6y ago
nofap is a meme.
http://i.imgur.com/F0pI1dv.png
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
http://m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
http://answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation
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iwasbornred 6y ago
Porn is bad for morons who sit around wanking ten times a day.
I love me some good porn, but I don't watch it all the fucking time, I fuck real women, and I can masturbate without it.
It's like alcohol. Some people handle a couple beers just fine, others wind up passed out in the gutter for years and years due to lack of self control.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
As someone who's self improvement stared with Nofap, I agree. Have the will power to regulate your porn usage.
rp_valiant 6y ago
it's obscenely fucking hard - but the amount of mental clarity and emotional stability you get from no longer going through the ups and downs of sugar and carb energy is staggering.
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What do you eat man? My problem is I want to put on weight not lose it, so I need to eat a shit-ton or something. You're not left with much once you rule out sugar and carbs. I don't mind eating lentils and pretty average tasting stuff, but when you try and rule out carbs from your diet too there doesn't seem to be much left. I was even looking at topping up on supplement powders eg. whey, but I am not really a fan of synthetic stuff.
rp_valiant 6y ago
you want to eat foods that are high in fat - nuts, dairy, avocado, fatty meats like steak and pork, that kind of thing. The problem with vegetables is that they don't really contain any calories per weight - so your stomach is full before you've ingested anything that can become free energy. GOMAD (gallon of milk a day) is a pretty extreme example of a bulking strategy, but it serves to demonstrate the point of getting in high-fat foods.
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Yeah I've heard fats are now "okay" again. My concern was about saturated fats, info on them seems inconclusive. A while back I spent a couple hours reading up on it and was none the wiser so just moved on. It was pretty amazing how little research has actually been done on them in regards to what effects they have on the circulatory system. From memory the last real-world study was done in the 1980's!
rp_valiant 6y ago
yeah I'd say definitely do your own research and consider the risk/reward of eating fats vs carbs. Both will have downsides but it's about you and your goals. For me, fats provide enough benefit that I see them as less risky than eating carbs.
Denver_Luv3 6y ago
It's extremely hard. Try doing it even for a week. I've used the calendar method, in which I mark each day with zero sugar on the calendar, and I try to increase the number of days.
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Freudian slip from a lack of sugar
cherryCanSuckMyDick 6y ago
Its one of those things you dont consciously realize until you try to stop or at least slow your consumption of it. Im nowhere near 0, but tracking what I eat has at least gotten me to where my daily consumption is at or slightly higher than the max recommended daily (~40 g). And what I realized just getting to that point is that its extremely addictive. I think some people hear about how sugar is more addictive than crack cocaine and they think its a joke. Its not, sugar literally is that addictive. You'll be sitting at the computer trying to get some work done, and your body will start craving it powerfully even when you arent hungry or thirsty.
Lights9 6y ago
Naw I'm too week to try it for that long
Thekinkyrivet 6y ago
There is quite a bit of research that is coming out that gives some balance to the all or nothing debate with regard to carbs and fats. For your pleasure https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12970-017-0174-y the abstract and conclusions will give a quick overview and the details in the meat of it if you have the time.
kranos33 6y ago
Thats a great link. Thanks for posting it.
Thekinkyrivet 6y ago
You are all very welcome I hope that it helps people wade through what can be a quagmire of often conflicting research to reach their goals.
SW9876 6y ago
The hard part is to get literally ZERO sugar. Get basically no sugar, i.e. drinking no soda, eating no candy, etc is easy. But small amounts of sugar exist in everything we consume.
tolstushki701 6y ago
I have been on this diet for a couple months now. Acne on my forehead is gone, I don't have food cravings anymore. Brain fog is also gone. It would be impossible to keep your sugar levels at ZERO, because many foods, vegetables contain some carbs, the key is to keep it below 20-50 grams/day. I also lost a ton of weight. I can finally see my six pack haha
disposable_me_0001 6y ago
I'm pretty down on sugar, but even I'm not this hard core. And everyone once in a while I break down and have to get a snapple.
banginasgard 6y ago
There's a difference between naturally occurring sugars like fructose (in the food on its own, not added at any point) that you'll see in some foods like carrots and fruits, versus those that are added. I think zero ADDED sugars is a very realistic and healthy goal. Zero sugar overall is overkill.
rp_valiant 6y ago
the ketogenic diet (TLDR: <20g carbs+sugar a day and get your energy from fats) is a very realistic goal and provides most of the benefits of cutting out sugar.
Soalian 6y ago
But you can still eat 10-15g sugar daily in Keto, it's not necessarily a Zero-sugar Diet per se
rp_valiant 6y ago
yeah I said that. But it is a carb/sugar-cutting diet and you will see most of the benefit of those actions by reducing your carb/sugar intake to low levels. Also - just because you can, doesn't mean you should. On a good keto day I'll eat around 7g of carbs. The incremental benefit over eating 20g is enough to want to make the effort.
red-arctic-tern 6y ago
All sugars are extremely dangerous, natural or added.
SW9876 6y ago
Even zero added sugar is hard. But, i'm not 100% sure about this, but sugars in fruits are just as bad as artificial sugars. From Sugar the bitter truth he claims that the only reason that fruits are healthy is because they also have fiber and fiber counteracts the sugar. According to him, "nature packaged the poison with the cure". Idk exactly how to interpret that, though.
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banginasgard 6y ago
It is hard, mostly because people want to put that shit in everything. Companies have over 25 different ways to name sugar without saying it's sugar on an ingredients label. There's also misinformation, such as fruit juice concentrate being "healthy". I've started to make my own fucking everything, such as bread and peanut butter, to counteract the epidemic of added sugars. It also pushes you to eat a more whole-foods diet.
mushroom_overlord 6y ago
How I interpret it, and have been told by a few sources but I'm no nutritionist and neither were those who told me, is that if you ate pure fructose ("fruit sugar") and pure sucrose (table/culinary sugar) it would be about the same, but eating fruits that naturally contain sugars also gives you fiber that slows the uptake of sugar so you either aren't absorbing all the sugar, or you're not absorbing it all at once which can fuck with your systems (an extreme res u lt being diabetes). So the sugar isn't inherently better, but looking at a fruit and a candy bar with the same amount of sugar you can expect much less negative effects from the fruit.
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mushroom_overlord 6y ago
There's no definition of an acceptable amount of sugar. I think the consensus in mainstream nutrition is that you can have fruit regularly, but that juice is rarely a good option. Although "cheating" is fine, sometimes. I don't know where jelly falls in this.
The "no-sugar" diet has no place for fruit, which definitively contains plenty of sugar although we've agreed it's better than consuming foods with added sugars.
I don't think it is required to go no-sugar to build a healthy lifestyle as long as you can effectively moderate. But if you're really interested in dieting try to find some scientific research instead of listening to us randoms on reddit.
a3main88 6y ago
There will be inherent number of carbs (aka sugars) that you'll find in certain vegetables which is what will make up your acceptable amount of sugar.
Say a cup of broccoli has 10g of carbs. Think of that as 10g of sugar. Now, dietary fiber can mitigate some of that so if it had 3g of fiber you can ballpark a net intake of 7g of sugar. These sugar sources are what's considered acceptable sources.
For volume, less than 20g is preferred. Some people go for sub 50g and think it's ok, but that is also partially based on your fitness cycle. Say you're in a high intensity bulk phase, you might want more carbohydrates to use for energy so your body isn't on such a tight macro budget where it'll end up burning protein as energy.
As for your jelly, my personal opinion is that you'd have to cut that since I'd guarantee it starts at 25g of sugar per serving.
red-arctic-tern 6y ago
You can drink as much sugar free soda as you want.
(There is a debate about the harmfulness of artificial sweeteners. I don't know if they are harmful or not because a lot of the debate is dominated by sugar addicts.)
tall_bacon 6y ago
Diet sodas can still trigger insulin responses despite a lack of sugar. It's a physiological response when your brain knows you're about to ingest something sweet.
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smirk_addict 6y ago
Dude I work in a kitchen part time... We have it all.. Ice cream, cookies, cakes. I've had to increase the intensity of my workouts so I don't become a fat ass. Now I'm dealing shin splints, abdominal strain, and tendonitis in my elbow. Just because my dumbass can't stop being a glutton.
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Jesus. Get your shit together, man.
smirk_addict 6y ago
Haha damn. How ironic it is to receive motivation from someone with a name like that.
SgtBuchanon74 6y ago
Man up, grab your balls, and learn some self-control. Are you really willing to become the pillsbury dough boy just because "free icecream?" Geez. Pathetic. Wait till you see what happens when you become chronically injured, over some fucking free root beer floats you drown your sorrows in.
empatheticapathetic 6y ago
Don't be shittin on cake boy fam.
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SgtBuchanon74 6y ago
What is even the point of working out? Just to be an emotional binge eater like a post-wall hag, or to become Chad? Fuck. These spineless betas seem to be a completely separate species from the gladiators thousands of years ago.
smirk_addict 6y ago
The situation isn't as dire as you think. I'm probably in better shape than you. I have a six pack and I'm 210. I just no longer have visible veins in my stomach. I guess your first post was meant to be motivational, which I appreciated. But if you think I aspire to wear some faggot ass sandals and a loin cloth, you're on your own with that one.
SgtBuchanon74 6y ago
I am not going to argue with you. All I am going to tell you is to think bigger. You are satisfied with where you are at, so you resort to spinning your wheels in the name of gluttonry. Can you imagine yourself a threshold further up the ladder, had you dropped that habit? And all the new doors it opens up for you in the world of SMV?
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wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
Been on no sugar (or carbs) since reading the dudes post about IF a month or two back. Ended up going to Keto from IF because I was losing weight too fast. Didn't get that sickness shit everyone talks about and I'm now in the best shape of my life. I'm probably closest I've ever been to having a six pack. I don't have a scale that is able to tell me my BMI but when I compare a recent shirtless picture to the "chart" that's been passed around here I'm guessing I went down from 18% to 15%. I think I've read that 10% is the magic number but we'll find out.
Back to the sugar cravings I don't really get them but at times I miss a donut or a honeybun but it's never been a persistent desire and I've never felt close to cracking.
No sugar has been a godsend. No more "power naps" that sometimes last 2-3 hours after I eat. No more waking up groggy and laying in bed. My pushup game is sick.
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considerthis215 6y ago
Ive been zero sugar for close to a year and lost 20kg (40lbs) whilst doing minimal exercise.
Its hard if you dont know what youre doing. The key is to get used to no sugar first then reduce calories. The advanced version of no sugar is ketosis (google it).
Your biggest ally on the road to zero sugar is fat. Start by replacing all the calories you intake from sugar with calories from fat.
Take sugar with your coffee? Add whipped cream instead. Giving up chocolate? Replace it with organic peanut butter. The goal is to first eliminate sugar or better yet all carbs.
If your goal is to lose weight, zero sugar / low carb will work. Make adapting to the diet your first goal and calorie reduction your second.
strikethrough123 6y ago
I found it absolutely impossible to completely rid yourself of sugar. It's in almost everything. What I do is stay away from any unexessary sugar that I absolutely do not need in my body for any reason. The only sugar I consume is from juice (home-made), my whey protein (1 gram of sugar), and from fruits. Anything else is a no-no. Been at it for six months.
thedude213 6y ago
I have no problem quitting sugar, trying to avoid it because it's in virtually everything we eat is another story.
SiulaGrande 6y ago
what the fuck is this?
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"Zero sugar will change your life"
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proceeds to talk about the challenges in getting to zero sugar but makes absolutely no mention of WHY it changes your life
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seriously man? honestly I think posts like this are bullshit. unless you tell people why something matters and give evidence to its benefits, its just bullshit. going on and on about how hard something is doesnt automatically make it good, and we still have no fucking idea why you would do this unless youre trying to lose weight.
before people say im just hating on content and complaining about low quality posts, if you ever advocate for something, you MUST provide information about why something is important and at least briefly cover the science behind it. saying "doing this will change your life" and then failing to mention why, is a fucking joke.
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yeah, I was waiting for some sort of revelation to unravel... not so much
ParadoxThatDrivesUs 6y ago
Thank you. I'm underweight and already eat low sugar. So what's the "obvious" benefit for me to go to zero? I'm open to the idea, but at least give me a reason.
SiulaGrande 6y ago
yeah seriously man what a joke.
NatSoc16 6y ago
eh if it fits my macros... idc really. I had 56 grams of organic mint ice cream tonight. About to head to starbucks for an espresso and go ham on legs. I'm pretty shredded and I eat sugar on the daily.
kyledontcare 6y ago
Can you give a sampler menu for lunch and dinner with 2 examples for each meal? Thanks, and this is interesting.
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grandaddychimp 6y ago
I had to quit eating sugar for a while due to a medical condition. I was actually able to feel feelings again. I don't recommend completely cutting out sugar, but it's definitely good to minimize it. You should be getting almost all your carbs from complex grains and fiber.
noimnotgreedy 6y ago
Look dude, I'm not talking at you specifically but I noticed some "avoid this" posts lately and.. it feels.. y'know what, like it only works for the OP.
Can you actually provide any research done on that? Does the book cite research? How well was the research evaluated, has it been replicated and how statistically different were the results?
It's easy to make decisions, but they're different than informed decisions. From experience, you don't even realize how wrong can you sometimes be.
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An old military pocket-book on British Commando training that I've got, which has been re-printed, states more or less OP's point.
'Processed sugar is alien to our bodies, our digestive functions are optimised to manufacture sugar from Starch and Carbohydrates.'
These lot were told to avoid confectionary and jams, so on and so forth.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
Every guy in here mentioned being on Keto is no sugar, believe that. We all could be lying but the results come so quick you can test it yourself and find out.
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Hop over to r\keto, r\ketogains, r\fasting, r\intermittentfasting, r\ketoscience.
The material is there, its not just broscience. The verdict is in: protein and fats are what man was meant to live on.
Emstario 6y ago
yeah that's just simply not true
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Research?? Sorry dude but you need to give up the twinkies and the soda.
Provide sources.
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Youre a confused child. Cancer thrives in glucose rich bodies.
Dude, just stop. Its obvious youre confusing ketoacidosis and ketosis.
You spend most of your time talking about videogames and gaming setups. What the hell would you know about diet?
Jesus, put down the controllers and lift, dude.
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If hell had a diet, vegan keto would be it.
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BigMawsmidget 6y ago
I can't speak for OP, but I watched two documentaries on the sugar industry, and yes that's what they are. Sugar-coated and Fed up honest to goodness neither one scared me, or redpilled me until they talked about why carbohydrates are never labeled in the nutritional value box. I actually did look at all my food after that and it's true some are labeled, but very few.
For anyone interested they are on Netflix or YouTube.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6y ago
what are you saying? Carbohydrates are always labelled unless youre from some 3rd world country maybe. They're required to by law to inform you of the nutritional values.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
My bad the percentage of total daily intake (carbs) you're supposed to get in a day it's the only one not regularly labeled. Everything on the nutritional value has a percentage of daily intake example total fat of random cereal has something like 5 % next to it, but carbs don't, just go look in your pantry and local grocery stores on any Isle.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6y ago
The amount youre supposed to get in a day is so silly to look at because it varies so much from person to person, i know they say "average" person, but even that is silly if you're average. Its silly because if you're bulking and gaining weight and are very active your calorie intake may be 4000, but when you're cutting, have already dropped weight and have stopped doing cardio your calorie intake may be 2200. So it varies so much that its really stupid to look at this way, besides just being some arbitrary number they put out.
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No. How much carbs you should intake doesn't vary wildly: people didnt evolve with such easy access to carbs over the last 10,000 years. Anything over 30g a day forces your body to produce insulin because excess glucose in your bloodstream is considered toxic by your body.
The presence of glucose and thus insulin in your body forces fat storage, causes body-wide inflammation, hardens cholesterol, fogs your brain, disrupts your hormones, creates triglycerides, lowers insulin sensitivity, increases insulin resistance, feeds cancer cells, fucks up your testosterone levels, etc. The negatives are just too much to list.
Go do your research.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6y ago
So much BS in that. Anything over 30g a day forces your body to produce insulin? What BS is this. Insuline is spiked every time foods is consumed in small or larger scale to direct the nutrients into its corresponding cells. Do you realize sticking to 30g carbs a day is practically impossible and beyond retarded - and would essentially mean you should run a diet without veggies? Theres a HUGE difference between carbs whether theyre slow or fast-digesting carbs as slow-digesting carbs will not increase a spike in bloodsugar and insuline levels to the same extent at which fast-digesting carbs does it. CARBOHYDRATES ARE ESSENTIAL. And youre also mixing up sugar with carbohydrates, carbohydrates comes in various forms (heck, even sugar does that). Eating sugar in excessive amounts is stupid, eating carbohydrates is not stupid its just more important to get more fat and protein than carbs and it also keeps u full for longer.
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Carbohydrates>simple carbohydrates> glucose. It doesn't matter where it comes from if it ends up being the same shit.
On keto for a year, intermittent faster for 6 months.
Im well aware of what im talking about. Right now you're just spewing bluepill bullshit defending carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are not essential at all.
Look up gluconeogenesis. In the absence of ingested carbs your body will convert the amino acids from proteins into the glucose your body needs. Quit spreading lies.
Edit: veggies are fine as well because your body doesn't break down fiber into glucose. Do you even know what you're talking about?
Edit2: apologies for my tone. Family member is dying from a carbheavy diet ATM. this subject hits close to home.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
Thank you for explaining this it's what I was trying to tell him, but your explanation comes across way better.
IkWhatUDidLastSummer 6y ago
How am i spewing bluepill bullshit just because i say carbs aint the devil you make it out to be? And i already said that fats and proteins are more important but you still need carbs in your diet (which youll get automatically by just eating healthy so its nothing to worry about). yes carbohydrates ARE essential, because its energy, if you lack carbs the body will take protein to turn it into energy, imagine running or biking without carbs your performance would be terrible. Its FUEL. There are alot of veggies without any significant amount of fiber.
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What the hell are you talking about? Your body will convert fats into energy before it starts breaking down proteins.
Its called ketosis.
What are you fucking talking about?
Ingested Carbs are not essential. They are a nice addition if they are limited and controlled if you're an athlete but I've already explained how your body deals with lack of ingested carbs.
Kite_Blight 6y ago
The Cholesterol Myth has an interesting section on sugar and how it contributes more to heart disease than cholesterol does.
Surprisingly, the type of sugar also makes a difference.
High fructose corn syrup is composed of 55% fructose and 45% glucose.
Plain white sugar is 50% fructose and 50% glucose.
The problem with fructose is that unlike glucose, the body metabolizes it differently.
Almost all fructose is metabolized by the liver, which is almost immediately converted into triglycerides. High levels of triglyceride are associated with a greater risk for heart disease.
Not surprisingly, too much fructose can lead to fatty liver. And that leads to a host of issues and is correlated with insulin resistance (diabetes).
Glucose on the other hand enters the bloodstream and is almost immediately absorbed by the body's cells.
Fruits generally have low levels of fructose and high levels of glucose.
It's why apples are a better option than pop-tarts.
In general, it seems to me that humans haven't evolved the biological mechanisms necessary to properly metabolize a lot of the foods we have today. Our ancestors just didn't see a lot of them.
rabidoctopi 6y ago
I appreciate that you're trying to inform people, dude, but I got to set the record straight on a few things for the sake of science.
Regular white table sugar is sucrose, which is fructose and glucose fused together. It tastes sweeter than glucose but less sweet than fructose.
The big problem with high fructose corn syrup is that it's really sweet, but fructose fails to trigger the feeling of satiety, or fullness by itself. So you eat more of it than you should because your body doesn't tell you to stop. Then, once it's in your body, some of it is converted to glycogen as storage until you're blood sugar (glucose) gets low, when it gets released into the bloodstream as glucose. The rest is converted to triglycerides.
Insulin resistance has much more to do with consistently elevated glucose levels in the bloodstream. Which is more complex and is more about the total sugar you're absorbing.
Furthermore, as single molecules, fruit contains mostly fructose. It's in the name itself. And this is fine, and the apple is still better for you not because of the levels of fructose but because of the fiber (which poptarts and the American diet decidedly lack). The fiber makes you feel full, and the fiber keeps you from accessing all the fructose. This is why a smoothie, which mechanically hacks the fiber to tiny pieces, tastes sweeter than a whole fruit. A smoothie also gives you a blood sugar spike that the whole fruit won't. (Read as: A smoothie increases your risk of diabetes more than a whole fruit.) Fiber has many other benefits, which I won't expand on here unless asked to.
Take home message: avoid added sweeteners, and eat more whole fruits and vegetables, especially the vegetables.
Kite_Blight 6y ago
You know I didn't realize some fruits had more fructose than glucose and when I looked back in the book it never actually says that. It just says that fructose in apples is low (I'm guessing compared to something like Coke).
Here's the relevant quote:
http://a.co/iGfL2nF
rabidoctopi 6y ago
I've never read that book, although it does allude to my point about fiber, but an apple has more than two times as much fructose as glucose. https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2122?n1=%7BQv%3D1%7D&fgcd=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=50&sort=default&qlookup=apple&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby=&Qv=1&ds=Standard+Reference&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=
Compare to broccoli: https://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2871?n1=%7BQv%3D1%7D&fgcd=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=50&sort=default&qlookup=broccoli&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby=&Qv=1&ds=Standard+Reference&qt=&qp=&qa=&qn=&q=&ing=
In case you'd rather not scroll through the government data table. 100 g of apple will get you 5.90 g fructose and 2.43 g glucose, while 100 g of broccoli will be .68 g fructose and .49 g glucose. The ratio is tilted toward fructose in an apple and the total amount is way higher. I wish I could, but I can't find the amount of glucose and fructose specifically for a poptart.
Kite_Blight 6y ago
I agree. It was a mistake I made from misremembering this passage.
http://a.co/iGfL2nF
rabidoctopi 6y ago
Frankly, by saying that there isn't that much fructose in an apple, that passage is horribly misleading. Stonefruit, for example, not only have smaller amount of fructose, but the fructose:glucose ratio is lower as well.
The only condition it can possibly be true for is in relation to crazily sweetened processed foods like a poptart. And we don't even know if the ratio is actually different. It might not be. In which case the beef is really with total sugar versus fiber anyway.
Kite_Blight 6y ago
What do you mean by "we don't even know if the ratio is actually different". Are you talking about the ratio between sugar and fiber in poptarts?
rabidoctopi 6y ago
No, sorry for the ambiguity. I'm talking about the fructose/glucose ratio, and specifically the comparison between the apple and the poptart. It may very well be that the fructose/glucose ratio is a little more than 2 for poptarts, too. I just don't have data on the number of grams of each.
Kite_Blight 6y ago
What is the best recommendation then? To have fiber when fructose is present?
zapdos227 6y ago
Might be a stupid question. Do you mean processed sugar, or carbs in general?
Desadarius 6y ago
Haven't eaten sugar in ages.
Honestly when you start lifting and focus on your diet, and see the massive changes in how you feel, you never want to go back.
Unless you're high, good luck then.
cashmoney_x 6y ago
There are strains that do not increase appetite.
Desadarius 6y ago
That's cool. Do you know what a joke is?
rep-god 6y ago
can 100% confirm and i actually smiled when you said "unless you're high"
am going without sodas for about 4 years and try to go with the least amount of sugar i can. but god, last time i was high i devoured 3 candies
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ChadThundercockII 6y ago
A few boiled eggs with cumin and salt are like chocolate bars now.
getbangedchatshit 6y ago
Peanut butter is this like a luxury now.
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Get some mustard on that shit too.
ChadThundercockII 6y ago
goddamn! I will try that very soon
Need2LickMuff 6y ago
Nuts are loaded with phytic acid and work as an anti-nutrient, and most olive oil is fake (not to mention loaded with omega 6, which the American diet is already too high in).
sinkezie 6y ago
A keto diet will change your life for the better.
ChadThundercockII 6y ago
Keto is the shit. Most strength athletes avoid it, but ad- in a refeed and 10 more carbs a day and you are set. you can sprint, box and even bike for hours if you want to.
For those less committed, slow carb is the way to go.
AmbienDidThis 6y ago
Keto with Sunday carb refeeds currently my most successful cut to date. Almost at 10% BF. Took me less than 3 months
Wreckn 6y ago
I tried doing this, but my gut feels like trash after all the excess sugar, the shits after are brutal, plus I feel like shit the next day. I do it once a month just to keep my sanity though.
like_jinkies_man 6y ago
I stay in ketosis day in day out. What's a refeed like? You eat everything?
velinxs 6y ago
You gotta taper back onto it, best to do it calculated. Just to restore glycogen. Lookup TKD.
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wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
Nope. Keto diet is typically below 50g with a target of under 20g carbs.
TonkaXcranK 6y ago
Just started. 4 day in and starting to feel a slight difference.
sinkezie 6y ago
If you successfully go past the keto flu, you're golden, my man. Good luck!
velinxs 6y ago
Keep supplementing salts & potassium & magnesium. Also best to eat at a surplus first few weeks while you develop proper liver enzymes. Then you feel like Superman. Cheers m8
Bucky_Goldstein 6y ago
Just about 3 weeks in, it's amazing what 2 weeks on keto has done for me, I feel fantastic and energy levels are rising!
metalhead4 6y ago
What's an average day consist of for food?
Bucky_Goldstein 6y ago
Meat, vegetables and good fats. Hard boiled egg in the morning along with some bacon somedays, brain octane bulletproof oil with coffee.
Lunch, if I'm in a hurry, grab a burger and just eat the lettuce and burger, no bun or ketchup
Supper make something tasty, pretty easy and you're basically making a protein and vegetables, just got a spiralizer and made some carbonara with zucchini noodles, was super tasty and the zucchini noodles were actually really good
But the best part is that you're never really hungry, I didn't even eat supper last night and didn't care, wasn't hungry at all and usually if I miss supper I wake up starving, no big deal this morning, still able to function and not just jam some carbs down my throat as a quick fix. I'm really enjoying it so far, lost a few pounds and my mood has improved too, no more sugar spikes, no more crashes. The hardest part I'm having is getting over actually consuming enough good fats, it's a bit anti-intuitive to think that a huge spoonful of butter is going to help you lose weight, but it helps. And I'm coming in under calories everyday and not feeling like Im missing out.
This doesn't feel like a diet, more of just a lifestyle change and this is coming from someone who really likes good food. I'm sure there will be some cheat days here and there but so far I've made it through a bachelor party and a few other events just by kinda picking and choosing what I eat there, and being a bit creative with the menus
Shaman6624 6y ago
But what is the tl;dr of the why is sugar bad?
SgtBrutalisk 6y ago
Oh boy. It's like asking for a TL;DR on quantum mechanics.
The closest approximation would be: sugar overload in the body leads to cells gorging on energy until they die off.
Shaman6624 6y ago
Yeah I mean, what does it improve in your life? Do you feel better, more motivated?
SgtBrutalisk 6y ago
You don't feel hungry all the time, that's the biggest thing. I can eat two chicken drumsticks fried on a few drops of oil and be satiated for 24h. This leads to dropping all snacks and they are the biggest cause of weight gain, for sure.
I used to live day to day on candy, fruit and sunflower seeds, but now I can go for months without eating anything sweet. Though, I still made it a honorary habit to munch on something sweet after an abundant keto meal.
I also feel more alert and ready to ride my bike uphill, though this might just be my confirmation bias.
CaptainSupream 6y ago
I agree with this post. Although 0 sugar is not necesary, <40g is good. Google Weston price and his studies on teeth health relating to diet, mainly sugar in modern indeginous tribes (they don't brush there teeth). Very interesting. It worth mentioning also that the biggest killer in the U.S. is heart disease. Why? Sugar. Not saturated fats. Sugar.
It's entirely possible to cut sugar completely from ones diet. Hell, my roommate eats all the twinkies, donuts, Lipton tea, pizza rolls, all of it. It doesn't even phase me to walk right by all that and eat my shit. It just takes not being a bitch and striving for a better you. Plus when I do cheat it makes whatever I'm eating taste that much more sweeter and satisfying and I'm good for another month or so.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
Rabbit hole for sugar is very deep I'll just throw this nugget out there. If you look at the rise of certain death rates it is funny when you look at how much sugar is around us. Such as heart disease as you stated and even cancers.
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theamazingswayze 6y ago
So good, haven't tried all the flavors yet.... what's your favorite?
Just tried peanut butter cup and cookie dough
UnluckyPenguin 6y ago
40g isn't just good, it's the maximum amount of added sugar you should eat in a day.
For women, it is 2/3 that amount (about 25g)
Just to be clear, we are talking about added/refined sugar. Eating fruits is good for you. Drinking too much juice, even if it's 100% fruit juice, is not good for you.
cherryCanSuckMyDick 6y ago
I thought that was supposed to depend on what type of juice it is, and how its made? IIRC certain types of sugars are perfectly fine, like the complex ones that youd get from eating fruits, but its the processed simple sugars & fructose that are poison for your body. If the juice is sweetened with external sugars its pretty much the same as drinking coke, but there are some kinds available in supermarkets that only have whatever was in the original fruit, no?
CaptainSupream 6y ago
I'm talking 40g total sugar in a day. Fruits are not needed. You get everything and then some from vegetables/fermented vegetables minus the sugar. Fructose is the sugar in fruit, the body generally has the same response to this as all sugar, insulin spike.
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llmercll 6y ago
I'd rethink that stance. Many fruits have their own unique compounds that have been shown to be very beneficial the body, they're referred to as phytonutrients.
Bromelain and resveratrol and two examples off the top of my head. Resveratrol may be naturally occurring in non fruits too though, not sure.
CaptainSupream 6y ago
Interesting points. Phytonutrients are also responsible for the color of whatever your eating. Find the vegetable of the corresponding color to get the phytonutrients.
You're right bromelain is a powerful enzyme found only in pineapple. However if your eating fermented vegetables you will benefit from many other different enzymes as well as probiotics. Unsure about reservatrol.
I went around 10 months without any fruit(except avocado) and felt and looked great. And now I have only introduced berries, which I believe to be the most beneficial fruits along with avocados.
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"Roasting vegetables is especially important" - Why's that?
Utterberetacht 6y ago
I’ve cut out fizzy drinks, and always drink coffee and tea without sugar. Pretty much all I drink nowadays are coffee, Chinese or Japanese tea, water and occasionally a bit of alcohol.
indivisibleremainder 6y ago
all the cucks trying to defend sugar in their diets
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"It's in everything and I need it for gainz!". Just checked my fridge, the chicken and sausage check out, produce lookin green, eggs aren't too sweet. Oh shit... greek yogurt, 6 grams in a cup I'm fucked.
SullyBeard 6y ago
Almost every vegetable has sugar in it as well.
djthiago1 6y ago
You can't compare a fiber rich vegetable that has sugar like beets and carrots, to candy and ice cream.
SullyBeard 6y ago
Although I do wholeheartedly agree with you.
SullyBeard 6y ago
Well this guy is saying absolutely zero sugar. Which means no veggies either... Or he's lying to himself.
djthiago1 6y ago
Maybe he just badly expressed himself. No one would ever suggest a 0 carb diet today, his Test and muscle mass would drop massivelly.
SullyBeard 6y ago
I'm gonna go with he jumped the gun or poorly expressed himself. I also realize that's not what he actually meant, but it is what he said. I mean shit, the only added sugar I have in my diet is from a daily quest bar, every other carb is from a nutritive source, veggies, beans, eggs, etc., No fruit. But I wouldn't call that a "no sugar diet" because I'm still intaking sugar, albeit in "more natural" form.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
He poorly expressed himself in the way if I said that I only breath air with no cigarette smoke in it and you counter with "well everything thing on this planet has some degree of everything in it even if it's at a level too small to detect". You would technically be correct there but incorrect saying I misspoke since the majority of people that heard it would understand what I meant .
But yes, technically you could have just responded with "OP eats AIDS."
indivisibleremainder 6y ago
it's pretty obvious the guy is talking about 0 'added' and 'refined' sugars
SullyBeard 6y ago
I'm not denying that's what he means, but that isn't what he comes out with in his introduction.
Futurearmydoctor 6y ago
Then why'd he mention fruit
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The sugars in orange juice aren't added but are still bad for you.
indivisibleremainder 6y ago
who the fuck drinks juice are you 8 years old
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Lots of adults buy and drink orange juice.
Need2LickMuff 6y ago
Fibre slows the absorption of glucose, causing your body to release insulin slowly instead of spiking it and making you hungry for more. Do research before you talk.
SullyBeard 6y ago
No shit, really? You're still intaking sugar. He said "zero sugar". And yes, I do realize I am being pedantic, however, ifhe had simply included the word "added" or "refined" to "zero sugar" it would have been a more accurate statement to what he was trying to say.
Need2LickMuff 6y ago
So.. even though you knew exactly what he meant, you're bitching about how he said it instead of being appreciative that someone else is spreading sugar awareness..?
SullyBeard 6y ago
I guess I am being an asshole, I just read the title and went "there's no fucking way, I have to read about a no sugar diet." And then found out he was doing relatively the same thing I've been doing. It's good to spread awareness that sugar can be detrimental, I agree.
llmercll 6y ago
Most of what you speak is true, cleaning up your eating is paramount.
I'm not convinced that avoiding fruit in moderation is prudent, however. There are too many phytonutrients antioxidants polyphenols and flavanols in them, not to mention fiber. Almost all the studies on fruit show beneficial effects of increased consumption, and many have low GI's, though not as low as non starchy vegetables and healthy fats. Over-consumption of fruit is of course detrimental, and has been shown to raise triglycerides.
By all means try and convince me otherwise if you'd care to. I'm always looking to improve and if something can change my diet for the better, I'm down for it.
rektHav0k 6y ago
Fruit is okay because of the fiber in it. I would avoid fruit juices though.
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SouthernFit 6y ago
As someone who is hypoglycemic, I envy anyone who can cut sugar completely. It really will change your life. You don't get cravings you will drop any water weight you have and look completely different after only a few weeks. I try to take in as little as possible but when my blood sugar drops I have to drink pineapple juice and drop glucose tabs like its my job. I can physically see a change in my body almost instantly and its not for the better.
theamazingswayze 6y ago
How about stevia or splenda? I drink black coffee and only water but I find it hard to commit to literally ZERO sugar. That means no type of dessert, period, ever again.
Isn't greek yogurt/milk healthy?
I believe everyone should REDUCE their consumption of sugar but I am not sold on the benefits of ZERO sugar just yet.
Can you convince me, OP?
SCO77_SCARCIA 6y ago
Read my post below yours about metabolism and nutritional ketosis.
Milk has a horrible macro profile and is mostly carbs (sugar). Dairy is debatable for health as well. Almond milk has become one of my favorite things to drink, even after an intense workout.
Everyone acts differently to sweeteners. I would avoid Splenda completely, due to maltodextrin-- only use liquid stevia or erythritol (truvia). There r plenty of desert recipes u can eat on keto too.
I don't need coffee anymore, but look into keto coffee. U don't need sweetness for great tasting brew.
Also, once u clear ur gut out and stop feeding the sugar craving bacteria, ur cravings will diminish immensely and will shift to other high fat foods.
moroi 6y ago
Man, I got an anecdote. 2l of Coke/day for 20 years and some more cookies (that's a 1 kg of sugar /4 days, i.e. 2 pounds /3 days). Only switched to Zero, huge fat loss, abs visible after several months. I don't even lift much. You'll get sick before you manage to eat half as much of sugar as you can drink without noticing.
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Not just sugar, but any carbohydrate that illicits an Insulin response: grain, wheat, bread, legumes, cornsyrup, etc.
These all get broken down into glucose, just like sugar.
Ketogains should be on the side bar. Lost 45lbs in 4 months. Resting at 185lbs 6'2" and about 16% bf. That means abs and mental clarity.
Hormones go crazy on a high carb diet. To truly be RedPill you'll need to discipline your eating habits. Health is everything.
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InstigatingDrunk 6y ago
Doesn't keto cause flatness in muscles?
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You drop water weight, which gives you definition.
Barvazon 6y ago
Sugar-free is going to make you bald. Eat paleo, but don't forget your carbs.
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Kalidane 6y ago
Like, really really discredited. He has a cult following in the public but not the medical community. Because science.
rektHav0k 6y ago
What about Lustig? As long as his points hold, sugar is a no-go.
Regardless, the difference going (mostly) sugar-free has made for me makes me a believer.
AlphanerdRP 6y ago
I'm not too familiar with his works- what is his point?
Either way, glad to hear you have a plan you can adhere to and that works for you.
BigMawsmidget 6y ago
Although I agree with the advice given just like intermittent fasting, or even low-carb do not go cold turkey first or just go straight into something like this. Use progression such as first lowering carbs > intermittent fasting > zero sugar. The TRP slogan just go lift applies here do it however you want to do it as long as you're trying. Don't feel like zero sugar today fine just go low carb etc, or you want to cheat also fine just get up and get back on the wagon.
I've tried the no sugar and it's a tough act to follow, but the weight does come off and quickly.
prodigy2throw 6y ago
Luckily for me I never was a sweet tooth. It's just tough when you realize how sugar is fucking everywhere
MoDuReddit 6y ago
This is woo, complete with conspiracy theory and book on sale.
Eating 2 pounds of pure sugar everyday is a maybe a bad idea, but even worse is choosing a single molecule and say "this is the devil". See gluten-free fad for more information.
Kalepsis 6y ago
A great place to start is the keto sub.
It might help to know that, while it is very difficult when you start, it does get easier the longer you do it. The reason is that sugar is one of the primary causes of laziness and loss of discipline.
basebool 6y ago
I hope people are aware of natural and added sugar. Cut pop, icecream and sugary junk, but don't stop eating fruits or anything naturally sweetened.
YiloMiannopoulos 6y ago
I get really bad kanker sores. I quit sugar a few months back and I haven had one since. Worth it just for that
bigsears10 6y ago
No milk, no apples or fruit in general, to say the least this doesn't seem right. Not meant for our hunter gatherer evolutionary ways.
quansau1 6y ago
Do you count dates/fruit as sugar? Or honey/maple syrup?
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
Bro, I count corn and carrots as sugar.
gravityboi 6y ago
From my understanding, the fiber paired with the fructose in fruit does not increase insulin the way refined sugar would.
aewiggin 6y ago
Honey and maple syrup are refined sources of sugar and should be cut out.
Dried fruits are okay but not great. Fresh fruit fine.
GoldAri7 6y ago
Man, this is tough. It is literally an addiction.
grunge022 6y ago
Zero sugar is a horrible idea if you actually workout and lift like an athlete. Sugar is needed to immediately to recoup glycogen the body lost from a grueling workout. If you are overweight and don't workout nor care for muscle recovery, then by all means go no sugar.
Kite_Blight 6y ago
You're right. Nearly every organism on the planet needs sugar, specifically glucose as fuel.
Cells will die without it.
Luckily for us, the body breaks down protein, carbohydrates, and fat into glucose.
bigmfkr 6y ago
Don't confuse carbs with sugar. Also, working out on a keto diet is entirely possible, check out the ketogains sub.
djthiago1 6y ago
People are referring mostly to added sugar, not a high GI carb like bananas that can help transport protein post workout.
qball43 6y ago
No sugar has changed my mothers life. She used to have seizures frequently, and ever since she stopped consuming carbs and sugar, she stopped having them. Medicine never worked for her, but she loves this. I've never tried it, but I definitely see how it benefits my mom's life. Good post.
SgtBrutalisk 6y ago
Keto diet does prevent seizures. Watch Lorenzo's oil, a movie based on true events that depicts humble strides of keto in the US.
RatioRegnum 6y ago
I've trained myself to self-discipline through self-hypnosis, and I have a key set up to get me through whatever challenge or temptation I face. Initially sugar was the issue that prompted the use of that key the most. Sweetness gives your brain a solid dopamine hit, not as hard as sex, but essentially effortless. Quitting it is hard.
Nevertheless I persisted. I now have no problem giving it a pass 99% of the time, and notice that the less I have, the less my body will tolerate.
Simultaneously, when I do have a treat now and then, it's extra delicious. As with almost everything, your body will adapt to a certain level of sugar intake and you will have to continually up the dose to get the same level of reward. Keep the intake level low, enjoy the treat, and let your dopamine system reset for the next time. Don't chase the high, and you won't have a problem.
DatingCoach111 6y ago
Trying going no carb. Ketogenic diet is the hardest shit to get into.
reddttt 6y ago
Man, since I went without sugar and replacing all my cravings with some artificial sweetener (sometimes absurd amounts) the changes were drastic. After two weeks feeling like a crack addict wanting crack, you feel like you're with more energy, more willpower to do stuff.
lauris652 6y ago
Dont forget salt. An average person needs about one kilo of salt per year. But people consume more than that.
that_italia_guy 6y ago
No more than 40grams of sugar a day. By this i mean both sugar from fruit as well as refined sugar. 40 grams ain't much. You'll see.
Sighters 6y ago
Jesus fucking christ.. again on this sub with nutritional bs. Gary Taubes is a load of bullshit. His book is half fictional. There is nothing wrong with sugar and everyone can consume it as they please. If something works for you that does NOT mean it will work for everyone. Calories should be your #1 focus if your goal is to get lean.
http://www.stephanguyenet.com/bad-sugar-or-bad-journalism-an-expert-review-of-the-case-against-sugar/
https://youtu.be/ApKsdvGCGJw
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/journalist-gary-taubes-on-his-new-book-and-why-he-wont-be-eating-christmas-sweets/article33423613/
http://www.lookgreatnaked.com/blog/the-truth-about-fructose/
Check out Alan Aragon vs Gary Taubes debate as well.
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Jake_le_Dog 6y ago
No
Calories are measured by burning foods. By literally incinerating them.
Your stomach isn't a furnace. It digests foods differently. You can't digest much of firewood, and it still burns well.
This is a simple introductory thought. Do real research, read books about nutrition, include at least one professional book. Hell, you can read the 4 hour body by Tim Ferris. Even that piece of shit of a book got nutrition right.
Sighters 6y ago
I didn't say they weren't, i know how direct/indirect calorimetry works. Did you even present an argument? "No" is not an argument. Apparently you didnt even read my comment. Have a read mate: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/what-are-calories-part-1.html/
Jake_le_Dog 6y ago
You're right. I made an assumption and didn't read all of the links. Next time I see literature linked I'll pay more attention to that too.
I did make an argument though.
AnjaJutta 6y ago
Hey there, I am currently on zero-sugar myself.
There is one type of food missing from your post, and it absolutely changes your life and helps you forget about sugar: Pulses.
Lentils and beans are extremely delicious when cooked right and give your body so many good things. Every week I cook a big pot of lentils with different vegetables and I look forward to every single meal.
I love lentils and they absolutely take my mind away from the sugary stuff.
InstigatingDrunk 6y ago
Lentils are amazing. Esp lentil curry
clonegreen 6y ago
Anyone have legit science to show if fruit would have the same insulin response ?
FlatEarthShill69 6y ago
Saw love handles on my back about 4 months ago and cut out all sugar immediately. My diet is 3 eggs, 1 piece of bacon, and sauerkraut for breakfast. For lunch I have a salad with balsamic vinegar for lunch. For dinner I have the same salad with a chicken breast. I use spinach instead of lettuce for my salads and I only drink water. In those 4 months I have gone from 6'3 220 to 180 and am starting to get kinda shredded. Its awesome.
zen__dog 6y ago
How many carbs would you say you ate a day? Do you track your macros and have a target? Or just aiming for ketosis?
FlatEarthShill69 6y ago
The only carbs I get are from vegetables. I stay in a constant state of ketosis and it feels amazing. I dont track much of anything because I eat the same thing every day. I made sure that my daily food contained all my daily nutrients and ive been on it ever since.
zen__dog 6y ago
Awesome, been on the fence for a long while now, but recently put a load of weight on due to stopping smoking. Keto & shreddedness here I come.
FlatEarthShill69 6y ago
Raw vegetables are key for me. I dont eat fruit (unecessary sugar and carbs) so you need raw veggies for vitamin C. Dont wanna get the scurvy. Do a round of probiotics as well. Getting your gut bacteria in balance will really help with cravings.
Brazilian_Slaughter 6y ago
Why I am I getting horrible "No gluten EVER" and "Eggs are the devil" flashbacks?
kanoni15 6y ago
I've done it for like 8 months. It's possible but it's all about discipline. This 8 months were hard, but the results were amazing! ????
blackedoutfast 6y ago
fixt it 4 u bro
but srs you are 100% correct about sugar. and they put that shit in everything, not just the sweet stuff where you expect it.
dr_warlock 6y ago
Specifically, what has it done for you? Acne? Energy? Teeth?
Aflenoir 6y ago
He grew a second set of teeth in a single year! Dentists hate him!
Huskimbo9 6y ago
Asking the right question here.
Huskimbo9 6y ago
Asking the right question here.
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Great post and I think people should try removing alcohol too.
youkickmyd0g 6y ago
Check out
r-ketotreatsfor a good intro to sugarless snacking. r-keto is more general. r-ketogains for the swelling among us. I lost 50lbs in 3-4mo with butter and bacon. Initially pursued each asile in the grocery store fully, looking at ingredients and macros. Didn't write or take notes, just let my brain absorb a million examples, one section at a time. I've kept the weight off and am sexy AF. Did not gain on it, but might need to pause for the first week... after that energy was unlimited. Would've kept going but it's hard socially. Supposedly you can carb load if you burn it all, but I think the body just switches fuel sources via enzyme production and that's why the initial 'keto flu' happens.Edit after 2 hours: ketosnacks is gone, probably good with r-ketorecipes but haven't used... and theres r-vegetarianketo now.
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SlippinJimmii 6y ago
Sugar also reduces testosterone so there it that! Ingestion of sugar increased blood glucose level which stimulates insulin to rise which reduces uteinizing hormone, the hormone that triggers the production of testosterone in the testes.
Evolutionary science would suggest that once a large cashe of high energy foods e.g sugar (honey in the caveman days) were found test production could be reigned in so the drive to find food wasn't pressing at a time when energy is abundant.
Either way i've cut sugar out my diet and i've never looked back, as far as i can tell its poisonous. It may be difficult for the first few weeks if sugary drinks are your go to but its well worth it. We can easily consume more sugar in a day that our ancestors would in months which is why we have an obesity epidemic because our bodies are designed to store this energy, the problem is some people keep loading up their bodies till they look like they're gonna burst.
Kies_1 6y ago
You never explained why a zero sugar diet is good, except for saying "its bad because it's bad and that's why it's bad." What are the specific, tangible benefits of a long-time diet like the one you describe?
throwaway-aa2 6y ago
Don't make posts talking about sugar, talk about ice cream and pastries and not sum up fruit. Let's ignore whether you're right or wrong... your work is unfinished.
Hjalmbere 6y ago
Agree with OP. I removed sugar and artificial sweeteners from my diet two years ago. I haven't had a cold in two years and it's easier to maintain weight. Still eat fruit and drink sports beverages when doing endurance sports in hot weather.
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I have been struggling with sugar for a year now and will go days, sometimes a couple of weeks, with limited (not zero) sugar. It always ends in extreme cravings that I have yet to over come.
Care to share any advice or tools that have helped you along the way? (besides the obvious "discipline")
RPT1000 6y ago
If you cant get rid of it, replace it. I binge on high protein snacks chicken or make midnight healthy stir fries, spicy things and sometimes sweetened stuff. Sweetener is bad for some people because it makes them crave real sugar though - and some people will tell you it's unhealthy.
The fact is, if you eat 3 apples instead of a Mars Bar you aren't eating any less calories, but you are eating less empty calories, and you're less likely to get heart disease and such. Ideally this is a transitional step - but even if it's not things have still improved. I originally lost ~70 pounds doing just that, which got me into this lifestyle.
throwaway-aa2 6y ago
Eat more. There's a reason people leave sweets till after dinner... it's so they won't have as much.
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SgtBrutalisk 6y ago
You need to overload on proteins and a bit of fat and your carb cravings should diminish.
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Hop over to r\keto, r\ketogains, and r\intermittentfasting.
wheresMYsteakAt 6y ago
Ketogains seems to shadowban or not publish first timers posts. Is there a rule I'm missing over there?
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Message the mods, u\darthliuigi
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TBH, burn more calories than you eat. That's all. Everything else details.
Motor-boat 6y ago
Try drinking peanut oil for nutrients.
freditoj 6y ago
Well biochemicists will say that this makes no sense as glucose is the power currency in our system. Proteins and fats are turned into glucose to power our cells. Again maybe cutting down on sugar intake can decrease amounts of fat and glycogen produced but at the end of the day our bodies will produce that sugar. So zero sugar goes against life... I respect the discipline of the idea though.
JaneDoReMeFaSoLaTiDo 6y ago
Got in fight with wife two weeks ago. Felt worthless and decided to improve my body and career and not build worth on her opinions of me. Quitting sugar since then (it's not easy but the changes have been amazing starting Day 2). Forgot how alpha I really was and feel like I have a new lease on life.
Dat_Chad 6y ago
instructions unclear, got my dick stuck in a BBW
adam_true 6y ago
Whiskey and soda over beer? How sway? Nvm. I've always wanted to try this but I love fruit. I love eating healthy (i.e. Fruits veggies lean meats and oils, some rice/wheat) is it really advisable to stop eating fruit altogether? I know you can replace nutrients with vitamins etc... but it seems a little drastic to cut out a natural food for a science lab food.
linksandstuff 6y ago
I had a zero-carb month once, then my birthday hit and I just had to eat that slice of cake. Felt nauseous and disoriented whole night. Never again. Always take at least some of carbs otherwise your body adapts to its new diet and can freak out if you accidentally eat a treat.
Marcuntus_jr 6y ago
Staying low sugar is fantastic for me. Never even realized it has its own sub culture, I've just been weening myself off it for the past 5-6 years because why not and have seen a complete change. Now I do have some peanut butter on a slice of toast before my workouts to spike my insulin and once in a while a chocolate chip cookie because I can never say no. That's as far as my cravings go.
With alcohol - strictly vodka sodas or tequila waters. I used to enjoy whisky on the rocks but i feel like there are more sugars in dark drinks so I just have been staying away. I'll indulge in a beer if the social occasion calls for it but usually will decline to water if there isn't any vodka.
TARAFPIDS 6y ago
The important thing here is that 'soda' means soda water - carbonated water only. Not the American term soda.
Rums can have some sugar added - whisky/whiskey shouldn't have any. Otherwise any spirit and soda water is great - 65cal per 30ml shot
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TARAFPIDS 6y ago
yes - it's all about the jealousy - they are too weak to do it themselves - and they are conditioned to not try by adverts everywhere.
top-notch-alpha 6y ago
9 grams of sugar daily is acceptable
Abraxas19 6y ago
Wait you aren't the Buddha?