So about two weeks ago I matched with this chick on Tinder, and fired off /u/beachbloke Lazy Lay Method Opener: "Plz don't wear that (insert shirt in her profile pic) shirt on our date. I have the same one and I'm going to wear it and that would be weird. Thx"
Her: lol (march 6th)
(I don't reply... fuck her "lol")
Her: How are you? (March 17th)
Me: hitting up downtown for st pattys... wbu?
Her: Nice!
Me: You must be the quiet one at parties
Her: Not at all
(Still low investment responses... I decide to say fuck it.)
Me: Really? Couldnt tell ????????
Next Day
Her: Call me if you really want to see... I'm at work til 2
(no reply)
Her: Or don't.
I call her about an hour later. She feels me out a bit. I basically make fun of her, tell her I've had more interesting conversations with Tinder robots. She laughs. We talk for a while more, great rapport, and she agrees to meet me at a brewery close to my house that's great during the weekend.
She's hot af, we go right up to my loft and have a couple of drinks, then longboard over to the brewery.
Here's where I start getting warning signals: When we get to the brewery, she goes and hustles two guys for a drink for me. All good... kinda cool I guess but she's pushing me hard for commitment right off the bat.
She says shes just real and knows what she wants, and is comfortable jumping right into dating me. I'm thinking I'm about to bang the fuck out of this chick with no holds barred. We go back to my house and I do.
I'm starting to like her. Here's the problem: She's super amped all the time. We match up on our likes and interests, and she's starting to seem like someone I could see myself rolling with. She likes doing all the cool shit I like to do and she's available and she's super hot. But she's on adderall, like hardcore.
Oh well at the time, I just crush it. Some of the best pussy I've ever had, honestly. I'd been in a drought for a while, and had been losing my confidence since turning 30, so she was kind of a breath of fresh air.
Afterwards, she cleans my house. Legit goes to walmart and buys all the shit, comes back and cleans up. Nice.
I decide to meet up with her again after taking care of business on Sunday, and shes more than happy. I meet her at her place and take her to hibachi (which I had a coupon for).
She starts probing me for my views on relationships. I tell her I'm not the jealous type, I just live my life. If a chick fucks me over, I just next em. Life is too short.
She REALLY does not like this and starts fighting with me all through the hibachi. Body language and everything is just horrible. We go back to her house, lay down, and she just lays on the other side of the bed.
At this point, I don't feel like making the first move. I bought her dinner and she brought drama all night, she should be looking for forgiveness in the form of head.
It never comes, so I get up and roll out. She sends me a text:
What the fuck?
I say, I don't like the way you carried yourself tonight. You started shit and then just held onto it the whole night.
Shes like sorry you feel that way, and says "I know you would do whats best for both of us"
I don't respond.
Truth be told, I think she's hitting the addies waaaay too hard. I know this is a numbers game, but eventually I do hope to find a beautiful chick with some badass pussy to do cool shit with, but I'm a successful guy.
I don't want to be dealing with someone whose unhinged that I have to maintain and put together every day. Just seems like more work than I feel like dealing with.
Anyways, this is my first field report here. Comments and criticism appreciated
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She should have hard-nexted you for "patty's".
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IdoNtEvEnWaTz 7y ago
You both sound like children
BuzzedNig 7y ago
Why did you reveal your power level? I don't go around telling chick's I don't believe in the Holocaust any more than I tell them about the shit I read here either.
PowerVitamin 7y ago
Seems faked to me. I stopped reading around here:
"I'm starting to like her. Here's the problem: She's super amped all the time. We match up on our likes and interests, and she's starting to seem like someone I could see myself rolling with. She likes doing all the cool shit I like to do and she's available and she's super hot. But she's on adderall, like hardcore."
Fan fiction.
yummyluckycharms 7y ago
Your first warning sign that things are going to go south.....
Thats 11 days on tinder - which is a huge gap of time. It probably means you were the backup after she had burned through the other guys. But it also means that this lady either ran out of options or, more likely, scared the other options away. On Tinder. Let that sink in.
2nd red flag - that she willingly exposed the fact that she uses men to get stuff. Women are usually hiding this shit that early in the courting phase, and she didnt. Let that sink in as well.
3rd red flag - shes on drugs - a lot of them. Never a good thing.....
Suffice it to say, should've just done the standard pump and dump at her place. I wouldnt have brought her back to my place, nor would I have let her "clean" - ie rifle through my belongings.
oldschooltx 7y ago
This is real shit right here. Damn man.
muh_posts 7y ago
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the 1st point - it could be that the rest of the guys were chodes and she was piqued by the one guy who didn't eagerly reply to her no-effort text.
yummyluckycharms 7y ago
It's important to note that women are never out of options on Tinder - well at least the normal ones. Fuglies or hotties, a woman can hop on, and within 10-15 minutes find someone that will go out with them. This lady re-initiated contact with a guy after 11 days - she didnt need him for validation or to pique her interest. You're thinking of POF/OKCupid game - tinder is all visual.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
This isn't cool at all. This proves she's directly exploitative of men. It's a red flag.
SAYING she likes the same shit as you isn't the same as liking the stuff you do.
Warning sign: she's planning on moving in.
Provider behaviour triggers LMR.
Explain even less in future. She KNOWS she's being a bitch, she just FEELS she can get away with hit. Discussing it isn't going to change anything. Good on leaving though.
Be careful of ANY girl on ANY medication. Mental illness rarely manifests itself in one form - there's usually a whole big fucking stack of shit you're not seeing. Female craziness is the tip of the iceberg: what you see is 1/10 of what is below the surface.
Buchloe 7y ago
If she's hustling/playing every other dude you see her in contact with, my guess is she's doing it to you too. None of them know she's hustling them, so there's probably some angle she's playing you for that isn't easy to see
DubbleFUPAwitCheez 7y ago
Man, everything I read here is so negative. (yeah i know redpill has a bitter taste). What's a good sign? I think it would also be helpful to hear some of those sometimes.
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askmrcia 7y ago
Well just because there are red flags doesn't mean you cross them off the list. Its how many red flags that you can put up with. Remember there is no perfect woman, let alone human being.
If its just red flag after red flag after red flag, then you want to avoid that person. A girl on adderall is a red flag. But just because she's on it doesn't mean that one thing makes her un dateable.
Now does she have daddy issues? Ok that's pushing it, but who knows she may still be a good person. Tattoos/piercings another red flag. Now its adding it up.
Understand?
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Thanks for pointing this out. Sometimes it's the little things that connect that make you say, "aha!"
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Not my original observation, but it does seem to be true.
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Certainly. They're acute at searching for any reason to classify you into the beta category.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Thanks man. I have to do a better job of reading them. There's so much data happening quickly during a date; body language, subtely, words, lies, etc.
I've been getting caught off guard with the current level of shit testing. It's amazing how fast they've evolved these skills. And they are only going to get stronger over time.
MattyAnon Admin 7y ago
Women copy each other, have little moral compass, and get paid to go on dates. It's not like you where it's a net cost. They get invited, they don't have to pay when they get there, it's validating for them no matter what happens.
Learning to shit-test would be easy for men too if we got invited/paid/validated to go on dates. I'd give them shit too if it meant more validation and being in a stronger position when they try their best to pass. And sometimes I do.
Appleseed12333 7y ago
Honestly want to know. How dirty is your place that you are trying to bed women in? If your girl is staying around to clean, was it legit messy (why do that before a bang), or is she trying to show off?
oldschooltx 7y ago
She was trying to show off after the fucking. Place is not dirty at all... really nice loft. Aside from some dirt and crumbs collecting around it wasn't anything too major.
trpthroway123 7y ago
General rule is don't fuck with drug addicts.
Adderall is a small step away from meth, and I know you wouldn't be fucking with a meth head.
max_peenor 7y ago
Nesting! EJECT! EJECT! EJECT!
Her expectations are a thousand miles down the road from you. The question is when do you want to escape the drugged up hellion? Now or when she is even deeper into your life where she can do real damage?
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I second. She isn't into OP, she is just desperate for commitment. She will attempt super hard to make it work and once she has the ring/baby she will fly her Crazy Flag. Actually seems like she's in a manic phase and the adderall is a yellow card at the least. If he's planning on ever having a family he should be screening for inheritable disorders like ADHD
oldschooltx 7y ago
I actually have ADD myself. I don't take adderall for it though. I've found other ways with less risk to manage it. She is totally high flying on that shit right now. The more I talk to you guys, the more I realize she probably sees me as a mirror.
Doesn't matter though. She'll find some sap to fund her fantasy and keep the demons from catching up.
oldschooltx 7y ago
I guess I just get sad for people like that. Thinking those classic beta thoughts of "what could have been". We shared a lot of the same interests and values, she doesn't have kids, she's free to move around, she likes to travel. It coulda been dope.
max_peenor 7y ago
You put that fucking cape away, Captain Save-A-Ho! There will be no heroics around this here TRP.
godmarck 7y ago
SLOW CLAP
Fuck, the times I needed to hear this but my friends were even more beta than me back then.
BillNyeDeGrasseTyson 7y ago
Dating at 30 has taught me one thing. Girls this age are generally single for one of two reasons:
or
Technically there's a 3rd reason I'm not counting because they're not on my radar
Man-with-a-pitchfork 7y ago
Dating at 30 has taught me that you shouldn't date 30 year-old girls when you are 30.
There are 24 year-olds out there waiting for you, and they are impressed that you have a job and your own place and all that stuff.
The 30 year-olds will still be there when you're 45.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Seems to me the first is the most difficult to come by
BillNyeDeGrasseTyson 7y ago
In a dating scenario I find they're often unwilling to sacrifice their routine to suit someone else, which makes them even more difficult to date.
At 30 years old we have established friends, places we like to go, our houses or apartments are nice, we don't necessarily want to spend all our time at someone else's place.
Too many people get involved with LTRs just to be with someone, and I don't quite get it. I don't have any problem finding friends to go out to eat with, so if all we're doing is eating and fucking, that's not really a relationship I need to be a part of.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Her place was a goddamned dump, and she actually mentioned me staying there a couple of times. I was thinking to myself the whole time "Bitch, do you remember where we just fucked?" Yet all she could focus on was me being close at hand.
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martrp 7y ago
Not only that, but they're often retired CC riders so their ability to actually pair bond is reduced compared to a younger girl.
ilikemychickenfried 7y ago
Hey, new here. What an LTR?
t12totalxyzb00 7y ago
Long term relationship. Could have just googled it.
ilikemychickenfried 7y ago
Also true, I'll try that in the future
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redaftrp 7y ago
Women are masters at mirroring. When was the last time you met a girl who had genuine interests outside of the usual(Netflix, cats, makeup tutorials)? They mirror you when they see you having fun. They want attention so they pretend to like what you're doing. Its part of their mating strategy, show enough interest to sell yourself, so what if the sex was good, its not hard to play the part of a wet hole, especially if she's enjoying what you do to her.
TRP_Lee_zard 7y ago
From what I noticed here, many guys brag that woman cleans their house - for me it's such a huuuuuge red flag.
My conclusion - whenever chick starts cleaning I would start soft nexting, cut her at the knees, put on ice for a some time.
TangoZulu 7y ago
When a woman cleans your place, she is very simply trying to qualify herself to you; to show you her 'relationship worthiness'. This isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Now, you could call it a red flag if you're worried about women attempting to move from ONS/FWB/plate status to LTR, but to me all women will attempt this at some point (that is their sexual strategy after all), so really it's just proof that what you're doing is working and a blatant reminder to keep your game tight.
Perhaps a better analogy would be it's a 'warning flag'; there's danger on the race track - keep driving but be hyper-aware of potential hazards. The red flag then is more akin to personality/mental disorders that would make you nope out of the race entirely.
TRP_Lee_zard 7y ago
I fully get your point and agree. Maybe I was too hasty to write this - as you said "At one point" and this is the key.
If a chick starts cleaning everything during couple of first weeks (or even months) I would consider this a red flag - if however it's a plate that you know for longer and she (for instance) will take her glass to the sink and wash it - I would even encourage it.
I just see chicks that clean like this as nestors - that soon start be demanding (and that's when you have to hard next them)
TangoZulu 7y ago
Absolutely, and as with everything in life it's the context that's key. If she is cleaning your joint very early in the relationship it's a clear sign that she's desperate for a provider; she's moving too fast towards her finish line. This is clearly the case in OP's example.
If however, it's a plate that you feel that has a true understanding of your value, I don't think that a 'hard next' is the only option. Granted, it all depends on having a rock-solid frame and what you're willing to put up with, but personally I like it when women feel the need to constantly try and qualify themselves to me by doing nice/helpful things for me. It becomes a balancing act and occasionally requires you to reciprocate in small ways, but managed correctly it actually helps cement your high-SMV status in her mind.
Women want to help/serve high-SMV men. It makes them feel good as that is ingrained in reptilian brain. It's the reason why betas, nice guys and orbiters are ultimately so unattractive to her; nature has programmed her to find a man with a higher SMV than herself. If she doesn't have to serve him to prove her worth, or even worse, the man is serving her, it is inherent proof to her that the man isn't good enough for her. So the simple act of letting her do things for you not only provides her with proof of your SMV, but it also makes her feel good about herself.
morexel 7y ago
The only red flag that I see is that she doesn't like that you next cheaters and liars. You are literally asking for basic needs. Something 100% of men will ask for and need and it bothers her.
She's going to hurt you if you fall in love. She knows how to manipulate you. She's doing it well.
I've been burned enough to read the signs and that's the one that sticks out.
Her reacting like a child when she's upset is normal. Everyone here deals with that..
aDrunkenWhaler 7y ago
She' covered in red flags from head to toes.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Not well enough, my friend. :-) She's been nexted, plus she got the memo. This one will not be tooled. She's got more pressing issues to deal with, anyways. She had a Freudian slip when we were out and says "I fuckin hate my life". I remember those days. Now I just chill and live a drama free, simple existence. It kind of seems to me the easier life you have, the less the crazy ones want you. They are an envious manipulative people that live a life of constant strife. The runts of the Cuckoos nest.
asktrpthrow123 7y ago
Many women add drama to your life and sometimes life is simpler riding solo for a while.
I remember my ex always had to make a fuss about something at her work or one of her friends or just make a big deal of something even though in my head it was like "huh? why you stressin' over this?"
My bud and I would make a joke that every Monday would be drama day from her and it usually was lol. Haven't been anywhere near another LTR or even a solid plate since then and I feel free, my lifts went up, and I'm way more productive. I swear, women are a force against your self-improvement.
oldschooltx 7y ago
And they're fucking relentless in their endeavors.
When I was at the hibachi dinner and she started going off about the server taking shots, I was shocked.
How do you get to a badass dinner and find nothing but negative shit to talk about?
How disconnected from reality do you have to be?
And these same people are the ones posting about their amazing life on social media every day, all the while being a tattered leaf blowing through a hurricane.
morexel 7y ago
Interesting. My life is not simple. And all I find are crazy ass girls who try to manipulate everything and lie about anything related to other men. Their ability to lie is directly proportional to the quality of sex.
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oldschooltx 7y ago
We had developed some amazing rapport before the meet-up. That hustling was the first red flag, and shit went downhill from there.
It's mainly disappointment man. I started with the game back in 2009. Just recently got into TRP and reading this stuff about women being totally incapable of loving a man the way he expects it is such a disappointment.
The idea we have is just not out there. Some will say it exists, but you have the same odds at getting struck by lightning twice.
Yet the fantasy is always out there for any man who wants it. You can get in the car and take the ride, but it's always headed straight for a brick wall and you have no seatbelt or airbags.
beachbbqlover 7y ago
Don't be mad at a cat for meowing or a wall for being flat. Just know it for what it is.
Attractive women can readily do this kind of crap, and since what you want is an attractive one you learn that this is an issue with the women you want.
She went from being very aloof to playing attached very quickly because she is trying to understand her role. She was asking for you to define it for her. Your answer was effectively that if you don't like her, she'll be ghosted.
That comes across as extremely high risk, low reward; when what she was functionally asking for was a job description/goal for herself. That's why she tripped about it.
scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
Yeah you have to understand what the source of that yearning is. You can either be her daddy, or you can yearn for her love, which translates in subliminal emotional terms to you desiring her love like mommys love, and that ain't getting you laid.
So again, you can either be her daddy or yearn for mommy. Only one of these leads anywhere.
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HumanSockPuppet 7y ago
There is no "that kind of woman". That's women, period.
A woman's entire survival strategy is based on persuading men to give her things.
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grewapair 7y ago
A woman's entire
survivalstrategy is based on persuading men to give her things.Honestly, I don't think any woman loves like a man does. You can be their best friend, you can be their lover and you can be their provider. What you can't ever be is loved like you love.
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That's a really immature perspective. Just because you haven't found a woman like that doesn't mean they aren't out there.. your search criteria needs work
beff50 7y ago
You forgot to take your pill this morning brother. I think your take on reality needs work, because he is right. AWALT, the exception is not the rule.
grewapair 7y ago
I'm 55 years old, and every woman I've dated, and my mom, fits that description. The only woman I ever met who didn't is my sister, 58 years old and not married, rarely even dated.
ImTooCozy 7y ago
Substitute the word "Adderall" for "Meth", because that all it essentially is. Anyone who does drugs doesn't necessarily have a "drug problem", they have an escape problem...And drugs are just one of the ways that the person escapes.
She needs to face her fears and go through some type of treatment. Quitting Adderall, expect her to sleep for a week straight.
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Thank you captain save a ho for that heartfelt response that nobody gave 2 dicks to hear about on this particular thread. I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul
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aiguo888 7y ago
And guess who's the next one she'll hustle...
She just plays the long con on you. Pro at using men.
I met a girl like that once who came on really strong and I just noped the fuck out of there as this is just major drama waiting to happen.
JustSomeGent 7y ago
Just like my story dude. I matched with this absolute stunner! I would of classed her out of my league but I went I to the first date and removed her from that imaginary pedestal.
Bang the moment we met we clicked so well. Laughs and fun and almost lost track of time and got my car locked in a car park. Anyway I take her home and we party ways. I tell her how much I enjoyed the night and we should do it again. She whole heartedly agrees. I chase her for a date, she replies to my text then bang. Silence. Never heard from her again.
Genuinely a a but gutted inside but like you say bro life is too short. I'd rather know what I did wrong than win her back. How can one person view a date in such a good way and the other think the opposite.
Plenty more out there dude, cast your rod and get fishing!
could-of-bot 7y ago
It's either would HAVE or would'VE, but never would OF.
See Grammar Errors for more information.
imn0tg00d 7y ago
You look at that time spent as a sunk cost. She looks at that time spent as "wow that was fun". She gets entertained all the time, don't take it personally when a chick moves on. Just next her and maybe catch her when she boomerangs.
HS-Thompson 7y ago
I am late to this thread but don't fucking date girls who use stimulants to excess. Just fucking don't do it, it's guaranteed to cause a massive amount of drama in your life. That drama could include cops, theft, or any number of other things. I have a lot of direct personal experience with this.
Walk away now.
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OneRedSock 7y ago
So you started actually hanging out with her on the 18th and you think
Bro, today is the 20th. You haven't even known her for two whole days. Slow your roll. I know the dry spells can be tough, but pump the breaks. Of course she seems like she's interested in everything you are interested in; that's because she's hit the wall:
She hit the wall so hard she obliterated it; all that's left are a few bricks strewn about. You guys are just meeting for the very first time and she's made all these decisions about you. That's called desperation:
Yeah, maybe we can make a nest out of these few bricks that are left from that pesky wall. She is definitely the clingy type of girl, as she's already referring to you two as a couple. She showed she can hustle guys for drinks, so she's not afraid to hustle for whatever she thinks she deserves from you.
I would be very careful with this one. That clingyness can manifest into very ugly situations when you don't reciprocate how they perceive the "relationship".
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askmrcia 7y ago
Aman and AMAN!! again.
Agree with everything you said. Another thing to note is girls tend to try and wear that mask when first meeting someone. I'm sure everyone who has dated met some girl that acted like they were into all the stuff that us guys were into.
Example, a girl whom I dated saying she likes rock climbing and paintball because that's what I like. The longer the relationship goes, the more you find out they really don't like that stuff like they said in the beginning.
Tinder? HAHA!! Every girl on tinder says they like hiking and traveling. Ever took one on a hike more then three times (if it even gets to that point?) They don't want to go because they really don't like it. Ask them where they traveled to. Macho Pichu and Miami beach. Yea so did everyone else when they were in college. Its all a mask.
And like you said two days is nothing. The longer it goes on the more that mask will come off.
jb_trp 7y ago
You're spot on. He's known this chick for three days. Sure, she's hot AF and the sex is good, but there are so many red flags that this one is not LTR material. Drug addiction, using men for drinks, manipulative bitch behavior, etc. all show she's drama and selfishness. Even cleaning OPs house is all show to try to get commitment.
Anybody can be nice and think you're amazing for a few days... Vetting women for LTRs is subtle and you should err on the side of caution.
Fitness---thing 7y ago
This so much THIS. Jesus. I'd be losing my mind internally if she started cleaning my space. I do that. That's my space. When you've earned the right, yes earned, the right to do some OTT stuff like clean for me? You'll know. It isn't gonna be a whole couple days.
Good point. For a few days anybody can be Angelina Jolie. She's shown her true self to OP and he needs to believe it, because the act has just begun.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
You're playing the game just fine with this woman, but you need to keep catching yourself when you get thoughts about this one being cool or special or fun to be with, or even that the pussy is that good.
There are a million more women just like this one out there. Better, actually.
Again, you're playing this girl just fine. But don't get attached. Over-enthusiastic, intense, druggie chicks have about a 1 in 3 chance of going bonkers on you, sometimes without warning.
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Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 7y ago
The manic days are great. It's the downhill side of the mountain you have to watch out for.
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Mykeru 7y ago
Agreed: Don't get attached.
It's supposed to come out when you're done.
Sementeries 7y ago
What's your take on girls who smoke weed?
oldschooltx 7y ago
In my experience, it's not good. For me, smoking with them leads to me expressing beta thoughts. Mainly trying to bond with them on a more personal level. I smoke every day, so this is something that will be challenging, but possible. I think before I stop smoking around them completely, I'm going experiment focusing my high on the game, instead of just carelessly enjoying it and doing stuff like talking. This chick used smoking weed as an opportunity to start firing relationship questions at me. Really trying to rock the boat, and they were coming fast too so my reaction times were very slow, which could have been interpreted as blood in the water. I've also got a chick back to my house only to have her smoke my good shit and roll tf out with no explanation. I literally had to go around my house looking for things that might have made her do that, perhaps a toilet that hadn't been flushed. There was nothing. It had to be because she got too high, maybe started evaluating her life choices. But again, this is only my take. I hear it different from a lot of people.
Jaquestrap 7y ago
Big point right there. I may be a bit biased from my own personal experiences, but if you're going to smoke with a girl that you're interested in then you need to make your move asap, before you start talking. Don't ever get caught into a conversation with any girl you're trying to fuck when you're high. Weed destroys frame, it's not like alcohol which can inflate your confidence and still leaves you conscious of your self-worth (provided you don't get hammered or aren't a sad emotional drunk). Weed might help some people focus on chores, but it only inhibits mental self control.
High sex is fun, but don't think you're going to run game while you're high. Only get high alone or with your friends--any girl you're trying to fuck is not your friend. Even an LTR is not your friend, they're your lover. If you want to fuck while high, then run your game beforehand, smoke, and immediately make a move. Or fuck first, smoke, and then immediately move on round 2. And I mean immediately--unless you aren't smoking much or are able to maintain focus and hold frame while you're high, don't waste time on empty conversation. Take a hit, let her take one, take it away from her, and lean in right away.
If you want to get high and enjoy some conversation, do it with your boyos. The only girls you should ever be getting high and just "hanging out " with are family members and any other women who you never intend to fuck and who aren't friends with girls you intend to fuck.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Thanks man. That's what I'm here for... the dose a reality. She even told me I would get addicted no problem (I wont) but damn. It was indeed good and brought the lion outta me again.
But man this chick is one for the books. She showed me her phone where this guy was still texting her every single day, and asked me what she should do. I said I just block people. She said "good idea"
But one thing I noticed was that while she was scrolling, there were messages back from her every couple of scrolls. She's basically running this poor sap through the muck. For what?
Also: I'm not bullshitting when I say she's beautiful. Rolling with her everywhere, dudes were just dropping their jaws and doing whatever she wanted and she was coasting right along. She had on this fuck me dress for the hibachi dinner, and goddamn it was hard to pass on that later on in the night.
But fuck it. Like you said... it's beta thinking. I need to hold myself to a higher value at all times no matter what. Good pussy be damned
p3n1x 7y ago
Orbiter. He's ego support.
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I dated a chick on adderall*xanax, I don't know how big is your city but here in NYC it's a fucking plague. Anyways she was super hot and had plenty of hot friends and so on, and it felt like a constant shit test. Either you're really, really good at dodging
napalmbullets and you do date her and put up, or you realize it gets old super quick and invest minimally as with any other platemuh_posts 7y ago
If you've only been on two dates with her, you're letting her affect your mood wayyy too much. You could have easily escalated after dinner, and still taken note of the red flag and kinda stayed cool with her, again not letting her get inside your head and play with your emotions. Also, second what Archwinger said.
no_face 7y ago
All girls know how to play the game and try to domesticate you.
An exaggerated version of the basic scheme is depicted here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eirBtt7wIDU
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Slut_Slayer9000 7y ago
This is a shit test and she's testing you to see how you react, and a futile attempt to make you jealous by showing abundance aka her other options. She's basically sub communicating "hey look I'm so hot I got dudes messaging me nonstop what do you think about that?!" She fucking knows she shouldn't be giving this dude the time of day, she knows she should block him but she yearns for that validation, so she's testing you to see how react, and trying to see if you're gonna be needy. Don't ask yourself why she is doing that, you fucking know why, but you did good. Just remember to always hold frame, don't tell her what to do but tell her what someone who you're gonna be giving your time to will do and if she doesn't comply, NEXT.
RPStone 7y ago
I agree, that was definitely a shit test. I would've told her that she should give them a chance. Or grab her phone and tell her you're setting up their date
Mykeru 7y ago
I'm so glad I have a variety of interests, projects and, incidentally, work, to keep myself occupied. As women become increasingly demanding while upping their "fucking horrible" aura, I would have trouble having a drink with a woman (albeit, I don't drink) without having an overpowering urge to punch her right in the smug.
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massivewang 7y ago
My ex girlfriend was the most beautiful girl I've ever dated/been with. For me, it doesn't get more beautiful. She loves sex, loves to be around me, and I really enjoy being with her. With that said, she's childish as fuck, dramatic, and a bit crazy. There were many times where I'd rather be with her than deal with the bullshit of being single/pickup/bars & parties until 5am.
Anyway I've been "dating" another chick for a bit who's not as beautiful, but fuck man she's an adult. She doesn't complain, doesn't cause drama, isn't crazy. She's down to earth, sincere, cares about people, etc. I'm glad I've been able to date her and see this because for a while I thought all chicks were just accustomed to acting like children. In reality there are actually competent, responsible, women out there.
AWALT is true in the hypergamy sense, but AWALT is not true in how they conduct themselves and live their lives. While the "normal"/"responsible" women aren't common, they exist. So I definitely want to affirm the fact that you shouldn't put up with crazy and dramatic women because there are definitely women out there who are not like that.
askmrcia 7y ago
Yup had a simialr situation. Ex was the best looking girl I ever been with. But too much drama for me.
Dating another girl that's not as hot, but fun to be around, no stress, no drama, and all of that stuff. Guess we can't have it all huh?
d0lphinsex 7y ago
My ex as well. She couldn't wait for me to finish my degree so she branch swinged to her job partner.
Overkillengine 7y ago
The only real way to get women to act better is to select against bad behavior and select for good behavior.
Society will not enforce consequence, so it is up to each man individually to do it.
asktrpthrow123 7y ago
If more men would select for good behavior over just trying to get their dick wet, women would be forced to clean up their act. Of course, no man alone is going to do that because it wouldn't change anything and we can't collectively just stay away from pussy.
ECoast_Man 7y ago
This is also troubling, consider this comment part two of my parent to your post.
Dude, remember when I said she is aware of her looks and has no problem using them to manipulate men? I'm warning you - she not only showed you that as evidence that she is doing so to other men, but she showed you that because it demonstrates to you, pretty much overtly, that she is in high demand so you need to be on your best behaviour. I mean if I was to show my texting with other girls to pretty much any girl I've been with they'd lose their shit. This is actually a shit test - I had a girl once tell me how a famous DJ came up to her before his show to chat with her. I didn't go to the show, but she told me this as a massive shit test clearly. When women show you how in demand they are from other men, that is a red flag dude.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Thanks man. Learning a lot from this post. I spent a couple years completely out of the game getting my shit together. Trying to make sure I don't fuck up and can catch these red flags and roll without looking back.
ECoast_Man 7y ago
NP - this was one of the better FRs by the way.
It's not about being paranoid by the way, and pretty much all women who are decent looking manipulate men to some extent, it's just a matter of finding out how flagrantly and nonchalantly they go about it.
Put it this way - when you suggested she just block the other dudes she said "good idea". Are you telling me her reaction was, "Blocking text messages? Never heard of it" Bull. Shit.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Thanks man. We'll see how the next one goes :)
Exactly. I'm actually looking at this like a beneficial learning experience. She dropped it all out there right off the bat and used all of her tools as aggressively as possible. Thanks to TRP I get the full breakdown and it's lovely.
redpillschool Admin 7y ago
What Arch said- keep putting more irons int he fire.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Thanks for the word of encouragement. I just recently started gaining traction again in the game with some luck and some strikeouts. Will post more FR in future
htbf 7y ago
I wanna know what a hot girl like her is doing on Tinder in the first place and what kind of profile you have to get that kind of matches. Thanks for FR.
oldschooltx 7y ago
My profile needs a major fucking overhaul. All it says is: do epic shit and has some action shots of me doing shit on a boat, snowboarding, and surfing (by the way, I am not muscular by any means so I'm at serious disadvantage in this game) But I just stay consistent as far as running out of my swipes every day. I also only swipe right on 9-10s. Every swipe counts and I cringe when I accidentally swipe an 8. Last week I took a 9 on a date off Bumble using /u/beachblokes Lazy Lay method, but she didn't respond to a next day date at my house. I've been doing this about 2 weeks and those are the results thus far. One lay, three dates, countless messages sent with no reply, countless swipes. But if they reply that beachbloke method is money
brattykids123 7y ago
Why swipe only on 9s? what's that does? I'm too lazy to look.
htbf 7y ago
You cringe in 8s ? What's an 8 to you ?
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Bl4ckError 7y ago
Go get tinder premium, it's worth it
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scissor_me_timbers00 7y ago
You shouldn't lose confidence from turning 30 dude. For one, it's just a number, nothing magical happens once you turn 30. Secondly, as long as you stay in shape, many guys get even hotter to women after their 20s.
DigitallyDisrupt 7y ago
Everyone... When a girl messages you out of the blue, 11 days later, she's DTF! She's in the horny part of her cycle, and she's rolodexing her potentials. Don't converse, use text for logistics.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
You dudes just cant stop dreaming. You cant find gf material chicks on tinder. You cant find gf material chicks anywhere. No matter how Chad u think u are, theyre all hoes.
whyalwaysm3 7y ago
Damn dude what girl hurt you? I can't imagine living a life being so negative all the time. I bet your mental attitude combined with no social skills is a huge reason women avoid you like the plague.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
Listen man, I've been on here long enough to have read the countless "you guys were right"/"My unicorn cheated on me"/"She's not who she seems"/"Found out my girl been cheating the whole time Even tho she was sub to me" posts. I've observed in real life, and experienced enough to know without a doubt that every girl has a Chad incoming one way or another to fuck Your little dream up.
You want to lie to yourself and think your radar is perfect and that you won't get cucked? Go ahead. I don't care, you're really not my problem.
whyalwaysm3 7y ago
Radar, chad, unicorn, blah blah blah. Dude talk like a normal adult. Just because you're a dumbass who has had bad experiences doesn't mean everyone else is.
LordThunderbolt 7y ago
You're trying too hard dude. Give up. I don't know u in real life, I don't care about what happens to u. Again, good luck out there.
dr_warlock 7y ago
TRP asked for a jungle smp, this is it. You get a turn, then your time's up. Then he gets a turn. His time's up. and so forth.
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somebullshitrp 7y ago
Don't know why you're being downvoted. I knew it was bullshit when she said "call me".
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BoerknTrigger 7y ago
I figure it's nexting but responding in a VERY minimal manner while still being amicable (if she reaches out/apologizes etc.)
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oldschooltx 7y ago
I'm gonna stash this one in the tool box for a different chick. Thanks man
theoctopuss 7y ago
To corroborate his method, soft nexting is useful. I've banged out girls who eventually got used to me and started flaking.
If you ignore them for a fee weeks, they almost always will send you a quick text or snap chat to see if you respond. If you do, you lose.
I was banging this chick out for a solid month. I over-did it and she started flaking. I ignored her completely for 3 months, then happened to see her at a bar. She went to some party, but left to come to my house and get stretched. The key is that I was dismissive the entire time. Didn't show her any attention/affection and it only made her want to bang even more.
oldschooltx 7y ago
In hindsight, I wish I wouldn't have let her sell me on a day 2. I shoulda had shit to do (I did) and I shoulda dropped off the face of the map after the fuck. I woulda had home field advantage then, let her stew in her thoughts and create whatever fantasies she wanted to create.
Pop back in where we left off... just to be fuckin.
Only have time to be fuckin. That shoulda been my motto. Handle shit tests and go back to escalating.
Then that shit woulda been on the table as long as I needed (well, at least a little longer than usual) and I'd have gotten a much better ROI.
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oldschooltx 7y ago
I've never been able to put a finger on this theory, it's always been in the back of my mind though.
Sometimes I do beta shit just so I can close it off... I think it's a subconscious tactic. Thanks for putting it into words there. Getting dropped for being beta is much easier than going hard on some solid game and then dealing with nuclear fallout afterwards.
I can't afford crazy bitches coming after the jewels
my_sfw_alias 7y ago
I've been doing this for ages.. Whenever I'm sick of a relationship or plationship I just pack up a bowl and blaze it, and start talking about 911 inside job shit aaaand they are gone. That was way easier than tears and drama.
oldschooltx 7y ago
This made me lol irl... I used to not understand why they were leaving. A lesson learned very quickly
indivisibleremainder 7y ago
sounds like you dodged a cannon ball
untonyto 7y ago
You don't get what you want, you don't want what you get.
lordbrion 7y ago
Too much effort into the subject matter. Look, it's simple. If you have done your part as due, then it's only but for her to overcome her paranoia and sense of righteousness. The right one for you is the one who you know will be there even if it's raining arrows
johnyann 7y ago
She'd probably be alright without the adderall dependence.
RealMcGonzo 7y ago
Another entry for the ol' Bucket List, thanks.
ECoast_Man 7y ago
I think you're doing this fine, but of course you can always find a different woman. Wait until she doesn't like you anymore and she's pulling this shit weekly.
This being said, I wouldn't necessarily be disheartened because she's actively trying to get more of a commitment. I pull that along a bit too until I'm sure I want to as well, but that's not necessarily a bad thing that a decent quality woman isn't just "totally down" with an open relationship. I fucking hate those types.
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I find this much more troubling than anything else she's done. You fucking just met her and this is a pretty bold stunt. I would suggest it means she's aware of her looks and has little to no problem with using them to manipulate men to get what she wants. I use to get girls to bum smokes for me this way back when I smoked, but I've never seen this one actually where she gets another dude to get both of our drinks. I'd keep an eye on this more than anything.
Chiptehubah 7y ago
You did well, you fucked her and she thought you owed her something after that. You walked away at exactly the right time, she had her chance
telenoobies 7y ago
u did well imo, had me smirking the whole way through. On to the next one.
oldschooltx 7y ago
Thanks man. Once more into the fray :)
Cunt_Robber 7y ago
Huh, weird question, but was she of arabic background by any chance?
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ilikecereal69 7y ago
What the fuck kind of pickup line is that?
theoctopuss 7y ago
-Red flag #1 - She doesn't try to hide her ratchet ass nature. Who the fuck hustles dudes out of drinks for someone they just met? You must be a ripped gym bro, good aesthetics, and with tight game.
-Red flag #2 - She's trying to sink claws in by buying you shit, cleaning your house, fucking you like a pornstar, etc. Every single relationship I've been in started like that. In the end they either attempt a branch swing or get crazy. They can never keep up the act.
-Red flag #3 - She's on adderall. This means she either tested positive for ADHD, or she tricked her doctor into giving her a script. Either way, avoid this sloot. Chick's with ADHD are almost always hyper sexual and will do crazy shit on a whim.
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You're 30 and have a longboard? Get your shit together dude
Buchloe 7y ago
...what's wrong with a pastime? I'm sure he has a car. I still play Hackey sack. Some activities are just fun
zephyrprime 7y ago
Definitely a crazy chick of some type. Not sure what type though.
oldschooltx 7y ago
I think she had a good run when she was younger then shit got real in life and she couldn't handle it so she turned to the addies, which she's having a bad reaction to. She was fucking with her face when I got there to pick her up, and I was horrified (used to do meth when I was younger, know the bad reactions). I told her that was insane and she got SUPER defensive. Typical lost soul shit.
In the immortal words of Project Pat: "Don't save her, she don't wanna be saved"
Warren_Bates 7y ago
I don't have any personal experience with BPD girls, but this one seems to be throwing up all the same red flags from anecdotal stories I have heard. Be careful.