It might be interesting to read what cutting-edge neuroscience has to say about the issue.

Sex beyond the genitalia: The human brain mosaic

Here we show that, although there are sex/gender differences in brain and behavior, humans and human brains are comprised of unique "mosaics" of features, some more common in females compared with males, some more common in males compared with females, and some common in both females and males. Our results demonstrate that regardless of the cause of observed sex/gender differences in brain and behavior (nature or nurture), human brains cannot be categorized into two distinct classes: male brain/female brain.

It seems if I accept the argument that "gender is not a social construct", then I have to accept that argument that is put forwarded by "HomoSexual" community that they are born like that; which I disagree with. I think it is a lifestyle choice that a person is making and not the way they are born.

I doubt anyone here needs a lengthy explanation on why gender is not a social construct

See in one study they found that men averaged a higher percent of gray matter, and in another study they found that men averaged a higher percent of white matter.

The cultural Marxist Frankfurt School feminist globalist Jews try to spin the data to say that this means that "no conclusions can be drawn from the studies." This means that they are ignoring scientific studies which prove that men have both more gray and white matter than females.

The only way that can be true is if men universally have bigger brains than females (which is common sense when you take into account how much more rational men are than females.) The studies which have compared brain sizes between men and females claim to "not show any statistically significant difference in brain size." These are buzz words to show that, even with their obviously manipulated data, there is a real difference that the Marxist academia just decide to say is "statistically insignificant."

That doesn't even take into account how most research is performed by male scientists with better things to do with their time than handle paperwork. The paperwork is done by the assistants who are basically secretaries, and are therefore obviously females. These females who handle the paperwork are therefore definitively the people who skew the data to push their ideology in the liberal universities.

The fact that recently more and more studies have been done on the subject of the psychologies and anatomies of the two genders, and that these studies continue to say exactly what the feminist globalists want them to say is just proof that the problem is getting worse. There are more and more females working as assistants in scientific research, obviously because of affirmative action policies. If you support science and oppose the genocidal agenda of the cultural Marxist zionists that push feminism, the only solution is to end affirmative action policies immediately. There is no other choice.

Proof. I'm surprised that the socialist NHS isn't too cucked to admit this.

Of course gender isn't a social construct. It's obvious just by looking at demographics.

If gender was a social construct, we would see a whole spectrum of genders. There would be social-women, social-men, and social-inbetweens.

Admittedly, there are people that describe themselves as inbetween. But the percentage of them is so small as to be insignificant. Feminists and SJWs have an undue amount of social influence, and they consistently promote the inbetween option - it's shoved down our throats at every turn. And yet we have approximately 50% male men, and 50% female women.

Not all men are successful men, and most of them are spineless betas. But they are still men - the way they think, act, and look is still inherently male.

Some of gender is social construct, building up on the natural differences. And it is a good thing - we should be teaching boys how to be masculine and girls how to be feminine.

Check out this story: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer and you will realize the title of this post to be true. Whether it is due to testosterone only or to other factors as well, it doesn't matter much I would say. But thanks for the post.

I didn't see you sight a single scientific article to back up your claims. I stopped reading after the first paragraph. You need to calm down and stop making such VAST conclusions off of the information you've been exposed to.

You know the last president of Harvard university suggested there should be a study to see if there were any differences between the male and female brain.

He was quickly fired and replaced with a woman for his ridiculous suggestion.

You misunderstand women and feminism.

Women don't want to be men. They just want free shit and an easy life.

There they were, taking care of kids and keeping house, and it was hard work. Because raising kids, cooking, cleaning, and maintaining a home is very difficult and very stressful. And often very under-appreciated. And they see Dad come home from the office, wearing nice clothes, working a respected job, getting lots of money for it, and having the gall to act like what he does is important when he gets to sit in a comfortable office with adults doing something rewarding and intellectually stimulating and getting paid for it!

So they decide that Dad has an easy, privileged life and why should they be working so hard? They want to have that easy, privileged life, too.

So they go enter the workforce and find out that getting a good job is hard, and regardless of what job you have, work is hard. And they immediately proclaim that this is all because of discrimination. Surely it wasn't this hard for men to get jobs and do them. And they don't get paid enough! The system must be rigged and biased against women due to years and years of patriarchal structuring.

So we start legislating to revamp the system in ways that lower standards for female hires, require certain percentages of female hires in some positions, give them maternity leave, day care, places to breastfeed, require a lot of woman stuff to be covered on employer insurance.

And women still aren't happy, because working is hard.

You're very much coming from the right angle, but I can assure you biological sex differences are caused by a lot more than just testosterone vs oestrogen

For the love of god. PROOF READ.

I just think most females would be happier in the caring/housewife role, but I do acknowledge a small minority of women prefer the career role. Feminists should stop demonizing their own kind that prefer the traditional natural role.

If gender is a social construct then transgender people don't exist and are a product of social media. Feminists explode

I feel like this is all common sense and basic fact to 95% of the world. Solid post but I just don't think it's necessary in this sub.

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It turns out they are talking about other things when saying race is a social construct.

They are more talking about the words we use and ways of describing race. They are not talking about the biological differences.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050121100142.htm This is a study from the University of California - Irvine. It's a study from 2005 and it seems what you stated in your bullet point about gray and white matter is different than observed.

Here is another article with sources in it about portions of the brain. http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/men-women-different-brains3.htm#hoag

Great, this is a great rebuttal to femenist trans theory...

how do you tie this into rule 0?

One can either believe that transgender people were born "in the wrong body", or that gender is solely a social construct. Can't have both, afaik.

and

Filova, B., Ostatnikova, D., Celec, P., and Hodosy, J. (2013). The effect of testosterone on the formation of brain structures. Cells Tissues Organs, 197(3):169–177.

It has been confirmed in several studies that testosterone can significantly affect brain development. Following metabolism of this hormone by 5alpha-reductase to dihydrotestosterone, testosterone may act via androgen receptors, or after conversion by aromatase to estradiol, it may act via estrogen receptors. The parts of the brain which are changed under the influence of sex hormones are known as sexually dimorphic nuclei, especially in the preoptic area of the hypothalamus. Nevertheless, evidence suggests that testosterone also influences the structure of the hippocampus, specifically CA1 and CA3 areas of the hippocampus, as well as the amygdala. These brain areas are designed to convert information from short-term into long-term memory. In this review, we summarize the effects of testosterone on the organization of brain structures with respect to spatial cognitive abilities in small rodents.

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Howard, J. M. (2002). ”mitochondrial eve”, ”y chromosome adam”, testosterone, and human evolution. Riv Biol, 95(2):319–25.

I suggest primate evolution began as a consequence of increased testosterone in males which increased aggression and sexuality, therefore, reproduction and success. With time, negative effects of excessive testosterone reduced spermatogenesis and started a decline of the group. Approximately 30-40 million years ago, the gene DAZ (Deleted in AZoospermia) appeared on the Y chromosome, increased spermatogenesis, and rescued the early primates from extinction. (Note: DAZ is considered by some to specifically, positively affect spermatogenesis; others suggest it has no effect on spermatogenesis.) Hominid evolution continued with increasing testosterone. The advent of increased testosterone in females of Homo erectus (or Homo ergaster) increased the female-to-male body size ratio, and eventually produced another era of excessive testosterone. Excessive testosterone caused a reduction in population size (bottleneck) that produced the "Mitochondrial Eve" (ME) mechanism. (Only certain females continued during the bottleneck to transmit their mitochondrial DNA.) That is, the ME mechanism culminated, again, in excessive testosterone and reduced spermatogenesis in the hominid line. Approximately 50,000 to 200,000 years ago, a "doubling" of the DAZ gene occurred on the Y chromosome in hominid males which rescued the hominid line with increased spermatogenesis in certain males. This produced the "Y Chromosome Adam" event. The doubling of DAZ allowed further increases in testosterone in hominids that resulted in the increased size and development of the brain. Modern humans periodically fluctuate between the positive and negative consequences of increased levels of testosterone, currently identifiable as the secular trend, increased infections, and reduced spermatogenesis.

and while you focus on testosterone here, don't forget the role of Müllerian Inhibiting Substance, which is crucial in stripping away female-type behaviours and destroys female reproductive organs in males.

This morning I was laying down at my sisters house and she said "hey my tire is flat." Translation: can you fix my tire. I don't know why women want to be men or even act like men. Men work and suffer and don't complain at all. Women just want the results that men get without actually putting in the effort. They want the fixed tire but they don't want the sweaty shirt and dirty hands.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/brains-men-and-women-aren-t-really-different-study-finds

Tl;dr most neurological "male" and "female" traits overlap in individuals

Gender definitely is not a social construct. Proof is David Reimer, dude got his penis cut off due to a circumcision gone wrong, and some Shrink suggested he should be raised as a girl .... well that didn't worked out as he ended up killing himself.

Not to mention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_dimorphic_nucleus

Why is this even a debate? It's pretty obvious what gender you are based on whether or not you have a penis

One of the tenets of great business is to confront the brutal facts. if i did not say that the second half of that is to have faith then i would be regretful. Point is, greatness comes with accepting the facts and to OP's point gender is not a social construction.

Bro science, to the max. No sources. Nada. Whether or not gender is a social construct or not, Jesus Christ, this is just bad 'science', and I can't believe posts like this get fancy atomic flair and the support of the community. It's genuinely ridiculous.

How do you reconcile this recent study with your 'research'?

A 2015 study at Tel Aviv University used an interesting and very thorough approach to compare the structure of male and female brains. Researchers looked at MRI scans of more than 1,400 people.

First, they measured the amount and location of gray matter (sometimes called "thinking matter") in 116 parts of the brain to find out which areas had the biggest sex differences. Next, the team scored these areas on each scan as either falling into the "female-end" zone, the "male-end" zone, or somewhere in the middle.

It turned out that maybe 6 in every 100 of the brains they studied were consistently a single sex. Many others had a patchwork quilt of masculine and feminine features that varied widely from person to person.

To check their findings, the team used similar methods to analyze more than 5,500 people's personality traits and behavior. While some activities were more common in women (including scrapbooking, chatting on the phone, and keeping in touch with mom) and others in men (such as golfing, playing video games, and gambling), 98% of those studied didn't fit a clear-cut gender profile.

Overall, the findings suggest that "human brains do not belong to one of two distinct categories.^1"

And that is exactly why transgender people exist as well. Transgender women are biologically male and often have less testosterone which makes their brains work more like biologically female individuals, and the same goes for transgender men. There are a lot of different circumstances during a child's development both in the womb and after birth that cause this. The idea that gender is a social construct is patently false, and it shouldn't surprise you that some of the most transphobic people are feminists that believe transwomen are invading women's spaces and trying to escape male privilege and hate transmen for trying to cheat the patriarchy by sympathizing with and becoming men.

Its sad this even has to be mentioned BUT in this day and age the brainwashing our young children/next generation get will cause them to believe shit like this. They are being trained to ignore what they can see with their own two eyes and critique in their mind. Such a shame.

I will say this though that the feminists are smart with the "gender is a social construct" part because this ties in to pushing the other agendas such as the gay agenda and transgenders. What better way to lube up the process than to deny sexual gender and say its ok not to procreate but do degenerate shit instead.

Its genius though I gotta say. What better way to control a population than to prevent more people. Add federal laws and you can make a nation destroy itself ala Sweden. Whoever is at the top in control of the Psy Ops the West has is one hell of a smart fucker.

TL;DR

Men are born with a male body and a penis. Women are born with female body and a vagina.

I think gender politics are a complete waste of time... whether someone identifies as a woman or a man, it really doesn't fucking matter. If a dude wants to wear a dress, I don't give a shit. Btw, the argument from the cucks is that gender=/= sex....

Men and women are different. JFC, we live in a serious world of illusion if this is even debatable. Could you imagine all your great grand-parents looking down upon us, watching us debate whether men are different from woman?

For all the blue pill pansies that disagree, men go get pregnant. Birth a kid or two. Women, go put your dick in crazy and impregnate a man. Then we can talk.

Oh, and no more women's tee. And no more equal funding for women's college teams - after all we are all the same so they can compete on the same level as the men, right?

LMAO.

EDIT: So I am clearly missing something. Maybe I played too much Doctor when I was little, but I knew from virtually day 1 that men and women are different. To me, this is as if there was a huge discussion about whether the Earth was flat or round - except if we had all been to space and seen the roundness. Imagine we all go to space, stare at the spinning globe that is Earth, come back home and a raging debate commences about whether the Earth is flat.

WTF?

There are obviously deep gender differences. Testosterone is just part of this. Bodies and brains develop differently due to chromosomal differences. It's not JUST caused by testosterone (you need proof? something must be making the testosterone).

Occasional lurker here, first post. First, a thank you. I have learned an incredible amount, really. People can argue against redpill in totality but own life has anecdotally witnessed so much of the things I've learned here.

However, although a lot of things I've read on this forum have had astounding truths that have resonated with my experiences, and I've avoided and received so much because of it, I must say the "frame" a lot of people hold on here have become almost religious. I think of it as redpill evangelicalism.

We love to find certain studies that really prove what we want to hear. There is a bias for sure. I'm always skeptical of data myself. Who did this research? Were the results replicated in another study? Even if we find something quantifiable, is the human experience and human mind not incredibly complex and unpredictable!

Consider the whole self improvement/self confidence aspect redpill preaches (which is great!). Surely if humans are capable of such drastic self improvement, then the brain inevitably very malleable and plastic, no? Is it not a contradiction to believe that the female brain can not be industrious, creative, action-oriented?

Lets say then, hypothetically, that all of what the op posted is true. Lets say nature does completely beat nurture in this case and women aren't destined to doers. Why even waste time talking about it? Why preach this to the choir. Where in this information are we working on ourselves? I think rather, we are sharpening the knives of the choir. We are preparing for a classic intellectual debate with the other side. We are defending our egos. If we really are alpha, if we really have our own shit going on, why even engage with the other side? They don't want to hear you out anyways. They have their own evangelical choir, and maybe that's what we are becoming?

This means that gender is not social construct, and never will be. And this means feminists will never build the society they want, because they simply ignore biological facts. As simple as that.

The above does not support that 'gender' isn't a social construct. It only supports that 'sex' isn't. You probably want to take that distinction into consideration if you aim to disprove those who claim that gender is a social construct. Otherwise it's just preaching to the choir.

• For 200 years gender was a term used in classification, (e.g., Gender of person, animal, word is Male/Female).
• For 460 years gender was used as "sex of a human being".
• For 50 years feminists have attempted to redefine gender to fit their reality.

gender (n.)

c. 1300, "kind, sort, class," from Old French gendre, genre "kind, species; character; gender" (12c., Modern French genre), from stem of Latin genus (genitive generis) "race, stock, family; kind, rank, order; species," also "(male or female) sex," from PIE root *gene- (see genus). Also used in Latin to translate Aristotle's Greek grammatical term genos. The grammatical sense is attested in English from late 14c. The -d- is a phonetic accretion in Old French (compare sound (n.1)).

The "male-or-female sex" sense is attested in English from early 15c. As sex (n.) took on erotic qualities in 20c., gender came to be the usual English word for "sex of a human being," in which use it was at first regarded as colloquial or humorous. Later often in feminist writing with reference to social attributes as much as biological qualities; this sense first attested 1963. Gender-bender is from 1977, popularized from 1980, with reference to pop star David Bowie.

I think the correct term is sex, male and female. Where as gender is intended to be "fluid".

Women want to have the cake and eat it to with patriarchy

They want to work but have men pay their way.

They want to get pregnant and have maternity leave which enforced the patriarchy that women should stay home with their child (which I believe in the patriarchy/redpill)

They don't want dads to be stay at home dads..