The leaps and bounds that the human mind will go through in an attempt to rid itself of painful knowledge is both frightening and amazing at the same time. This process, known as cognitive dissonance, is so amazing that even awareness of the process itself cannot stop it from occurring. We are sometimes simply powerless over our own inner workings.
This week I witnessed an empowering example of a feminist melting down in /r/theredpill. So amazing was this example, in its ability to encompass all which is wrong with the backlash against the manosphere, that I felt it necessary to immortalize it. Let's take a look at some of the warp speed hamstering a young feminist can endure when faced with a world view that strikes so perpendicularly against her own (my comments in [bold] ).
"Wrong. You are assuming that women are using the same fucked-up mentality - trying to "game" people out of something for their own satisfaction - that you are [None of us ever said women were consciously running game, as a matter of fact I think most of them are completely unaware of their inner hamsters. And to appease the PC Gods, I also think most men are unaware of game and seduction concepts as well. Keep your words out of my mouth please.] You got it right - they're not thinking about it. In reality, they are operating under cultural teachings that were passed onto them from the media and society [Yes, and this is part of the problem. Those teachings are driven by male sexual shaming and "grrl power" bullshit, something many of us would like to change.] You are the ones strategizing - they are just trying to live their lives [Are you suggesting that the solution to the problem is to simply ignore it? This would be disastrous in my opinion.] Do they occasionally do things that are not very nice to other people? Of course, don't you? But that's not an excuse to vilify an entire part of the human population and turn them into a game, a series of objects to be played, without feeling or emotion [Vilify an entire part of the human population… you mean like how women have vilified men and male sexuality to the point where sneezing on a woman can almost result in rape charges?] This world is NOT us vs them and we will never progress as a species until we stop teaching each other and our children that we need to manipulate and exploit each other to get ahead. [Game isn't about psychological manipulation; it's about gaining a biological edge on the competition through self-improvement and understanding simple truths. Burying our heads in the sand and ignoring the knowledge to be gained will not get us closer to progression as a species.]"
"I don't disagree with that statement, but I don't think that's at ALL what this subreddit is doing. This is not by any means a real collection of psychological learnings [Nothing in theredpill will come close to getting our feminist dominated society's stamp of approval when the truths we expose strike at the very heart of that which determines what is real and what is not. This is a mute point backed by nothing of substance or even a shred of evidence.] Everywhere I look is rampant generalizations and total falsehoods about the "nature of women" [Again, nothing more than ranting on your part backed by nothing. You gave no quotes, no links, and no attempt to converse about the truths which you seek to correct. This is akin to a child throwing a tantrum, screaming, kicking and crying on the floor while the onlookers wait for the silence that follows.] Trying to paint all women or men in the same light is insane! Go read up on your neurology - human traits, impulses, tendencies and beliefs almost all operate on sliding scales that are influenced by genetics and upbringing [Again no quotes and no substance, just an echo of me me me me me. You're such an intelligent woman who can open our eyes to this truth, but have yet to provide us with any evidence of its existence.] Saying that people fit into tiny little boxes is insane and not true. I can find you a billion exceptions for every mental "rule" you create [Again, you're placing words into our mouths. Simply because we attempt to create a model of this world with rules, principles and truths, doesn't make them any less valid. Insanity would be the exact opposite in fact, repeating the same process and expecting a different outcome.] ."
"This entire subreddit and the blogs it links to are a bunch of armchair psychologists trying to cut women into little shapes they can better understand [When universities start offering degrees in red pill science a lot of the guys in this community will be the professors. Until then, we will simply have to continue our work without a nice degree to back it up.] They don't sound like stupid people, but they absolutely sound like they are taking a huge dollop of confirmation bias with a splash of bad past experiences to create a world where they are the victim, and where there is a path to victory that puts them back in the seat of power. [It's interesting that you give nothing of substance to support any of your arguments, and then proceed to accuse us of confirmation bias, despite the fact that we regularly find scientific research to back up our claims.] "
"Read the first paragraph here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias and tell me that confirmation bias is not a bad thing when you're seeking the truth [Funny, I had just created a post about confirmation bias and how it prevents truths from being discovered right before you threw this little temper tantrum.] . It is ignoring and skewing evidence to the contrary in order to support your pre-defined beliefs [This is exactly what confirmation bias is. Thank you for providing us such a wonderful example of its power.] It is twisting and creating your own reality - the opposite of what you say you're trying to do. If you want to admit that the people here are living in a self-created world, then fine - but don't try to paint it as truth. [Again, backup your words with substance. Many of us have been in this community for a long time and have made many thousands of references to scientific works validating many of these ugly truths you wish to hide from. We want nothing but the truth, no matter how it makes us feel.] "
"Who is "dealing" the hand you talk about? Women? You think there is a council of women somewhere conniving to disenfranchise men and teaching the others? [Again, none of us said this is what has been happening, but there is a very real sexual market that we all participate in, and there are very real congressmen passing laws aiming to disenfranchise men. Burying your head even further doesn't change these truths.] No - the same society that is teaching women that their value is their looks [I know you don't want to hear it but female's are empowered with a very real sexual value, that is based almost completely on their looks. Ugly simple truths shouldn't be so difficult to understand.] and that they don't need to provide for themselves [Only the pretty ones don't need to do this hun, because a man will gladly provide for them, proving once again that female sex has a very high value attached to it. This isn't something society taught them, this is the reality of human nature.] is the same one teaching them to look down on men for petty reasons and treat them poorly [Society did create the growing problem of feminism, but not the previous two "problems" you mentioned, nice try.] They're suffering different consequences that are the symptom of the same thing. Instead of focusing on how the way to deal with this is to manipulate women for your own gain, the answer is to discard those shitty archaic ideas and find like-minded people who'd like to do it with you [The answer is far more complex than this, and applied seduction theory is nothing more than a natural reaction to unleashed female hypergamy. Feminism is the symptom of the very problem you seek to discredit. I know you'd like to have your cake and eat it too, but when the patriarch and concept of a nuclear family is destroyed there are consequences.] But that's not what it sounds like people here want, because not only do they want to have someone to blame, they want a way to justify being dominant and in power, out of some confirmed bias that tells them men were made to rule (at least in some of the scariest writings). [Men were made to rule, it's a simple part of our biological nature to seek status and power so we can create offspring and provide for them in the future, just as it is in a woman's nature to display her beauty in an effort to attract and create offspring with a powerful man.] "
"The "armchair psychologist" statement is my attempt to point out that this is the blind leading the blind [Again, please provide links and examples if you wish to discredit someone's ideas.] If you are going to formulate world views here, and "learn" from each other on how to view and understand the world, that's fine - peers and groups should do that in all walks of life. But don't try to come up with a bunch of totally unsupported theories [Our theories are very well supported and we link to that support constantly] and then accept them as fact because hey that kind of makes sense! and try to apply them to the real world. There is REAL psychology [We link to this REAL psychology you speak of as well, quite often in fact.] out there that you can fall back to. But I haven't seen any of it here yet! I don't have a problem with a bunch of people of any background trying to figure out the world - but once your theories start coming around to the degradation and a total lack of respect [The truth hurts, but the pain it causes won't make it go away.] for 50% of the population, you start scaring me [The truth should scare no one, but it's funny how often it scares feminists] . Your actions and words have real consequences and when you CHOOSE to de-humanize and treat women like sub-human [The truth makes it seem like we lack respect for women, but I'm sure most of us here cherish them every day. Men and women being different will always make it difficult to speak about one another in general terms, but those differences exist, and require our attention as well.] , or unworthy of respect, or like children or robots, you are doing all people a disservice. Hope someone doesn't do the same to you one day, when they think less of you. [Don't worry, I'm not so easily butthurt, and feminists like yourself do this to me on a daily basis, usually I ignore them, but in your case this was simply to juicy to pass up.] "
[(The full thread)]( http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/164ujo/are_you_offended/c7sqji9)
[deleted] 11y ago
This is the point when I realized it's her personal insecurity projecting false motives onto us.
It's appropriately called "Projection" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Afraid of being oppressed again, and holding a skewed perception of the true boundaries of the liberty of men, she's been given further liberty boundaries than that of men. And at any hint of evening out the "playing field", she'll naturally identify it as oppression - as do many American women.
Which leads to my question. If women are given liberty, and abuse that liberty, in a society where men are demonized for any attempt at correction, can we expect women to scale back their own liberties which they have abused? Or is the responsibility of correction in the hands of men?
OP boldly stated, "men were made to rule". I say "boldly" not because it's false, but because it's the kind of courage that - although valuable for edification via internet threads - we need to present in day-to-day interactions, enduring the inevitable ridicule and ad hominem opposition we'll get from women... because it's a natural law that our society has tried to nullify.
Kepaso 11y ago
didnt read al the text, but this is what happens when you have a red pill section on reddit, for the good and the worst. Reddit is filled with beta nerds and feminist minded girls, so the good would be that a lot of them will discover the red pill via this section. The worst will be when reddit will discover it so be prepared for a backlash of feminist propaganda and hatred. The manosphere's blogsare like a secret boy s club, but here on reddit it's open to everyone.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I say bring it
[deleted] 11y ago
Yeh, there's a reason my comment karma is -10. Suggesting things like "you have a moral obligation to sleep with your husband" seems to be an unpopular opinion on reddit. :P
zionController 11y ago
So... you have any single friends?
NiftyDolphin 11y ago
You bastard!
treefrog24 11y ago
I welcome discussions like this and I don't see her giving a perspective that is different from redpills as cognitive dissonance. No one can "truly" understand what it's like to live in another persons shoes. I feel this is a miss-use of the term of CG. CG is more like believing in creation myths and evolution at the same time, not biassed societal observations that have an infinite number of variables that effect individuals differently.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
Confirmation Bias would be us pointing to 7 couples that got divorced and ignore the majority who are still married and call it a trend.
Whereas in reality, it's closer to the opposite.
Obviously confirmation bias is something we should be wary of, but at the end of the day, if anything in the universe can ever be known, then the confirmation bias argument in itself is nonsensical.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
That is the luxury of the selective gender, they don't have to strategize.
Good point. AND, I think, it's important to note that if we were unable to model reality through theory, we would observe the opposite of predictability; we would be in total chaos! Reactions happening before actions, chains of events violating causality, and only random behaviors that had no discernible purpose. So, given that point, I think it's safe to say there's at least some order to the universe.
This is a classic defense mechanism feminists use. If you outlaw thought, if you make ideas immoral, you can control the discourse. This was an attempt to stifle thought, ideas, and innovation, not debate them.
Plus, who said wanting to have sex with women was dehumanizing?
[deleted] 11y ago
Good points, much better said than my original.
kelpants 11y ago
It's not about wanting to have sex with them; I don't know how you can argue that there aren't many examples here of people insulting, misleading and demonizing women in a way that undermines your perception of them as thinking/feeling beings. I can find them if you want. THAT's what I don't like, that's what is destructive. It's the same thing that people do to racial minorities that you may or may not be able to agree is morally reprehensible.
There are some aspects of PUA that are totally fine. Bettering yourself, not basing your sense of self-worth on other's opinions of you, "outcome independence" etc. But what I've seen here goes beyond that, into a scary place where people treat other people like they aren't worth the decency and respect they would want other people to give them.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
Here's the best point I can make. All is fair in love and war.
Why do I say that?
Because hypergamy doesn't care.
Repeat with me. Hypergamy doesn't care.
Women want what they want. You can never change that. You can ignore it, you can use it, but you cannot change it.
What does this mean? Hypergamy doesn't care means that at the end of the day, even after years, if you haven't properly maintained an alpha state, if you haven't recognized her shit tests and put down your foot, she looses interest in you. This thinking, feeling being loses interest in you, no matter how much investment you've got in her.
Turns out, hypergamy doesn't care.
We do not demonize women. We understand women. If your interpretation of what we say looks evil, ask yourself this: Under who's imperative does it look evil?
If I tell you that I'm rude to women and they desire to have sex with me because of it... who's running the show?
kelpants 11y ago
Why are women only guilty of hypergamy? I see that everywhere around here. Does not everyone want relationships that can provide them with happiness? Some people think that happiness comes from looks, some money, some humor or hobby or connections, but aren't we friends/lovers each and all of us with people because of what they provide us? Men are not somehow elevated from this.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
You're feminizing the argument. Nobody said anybody was "guilty" of anything. Hypergamy is a sexual strategy which is characterized by being selective. It means maximizing rejection vs male strategy which is maximizing attempts. Women are the selective gender whether or not you like it.
kelpants 11y ago
Legitimate question: what do you mean by feminizing the argument?
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
You're injecting the feminized view of us into your argument. Using words like "hate," "blame," and "guilty."
It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the red pill, and further shows your projection of what you assume it is.
[deleted] 11y ago
On reading this, it is clear that you could have laid this one IRL.
You kept your cool pretty well.
kelpants 11y ago
Oh yes, quite obviously. My panties get soooo wet when I meet someone who wants to bring us back to the days when I wouldn't have been allowed to get an education, vote, or make my own decisions.
[deleted] 11y ago
Whoosh
zionController 11y ago
I can barely read this with out feeling some rage. She would love to be crowned a tiara and given some chocolate cake and have an army of beta orbiters follow her around while she enjoys the carousel.
These people are why I'm here in the first place. I guess we've offended her delicate sensitivities. Carry on, everyone.
josephtkach 11y ago
In my opinion, if you are feeling rage, then you are still operating at their level. When I first came around to the red pill way of thinking, I frequently felt anger, but in order for our kind of awakening to be effective, we need to transcend anger.
zionController 11y ago
I whole heartedly agree. However, when a post like this is broken down bit by bit and the ignorance can be examined under a microscope, I find it infuriating to know that this is the popular attitude that is enforced by legislation. Its like being woken up in a post apocalyptic future and having no one to blame for it but your fathers for being weak and allowing it to happen.
josephtkach 11y ago
I don't think you can really blame anyone. On their surface, many of the ideas of the women's liberation movement sound appealing, especially if you have been raised with the American ideal to value liberty above all else.
Moreover, it was natural for us to become soft and weak as our wealth and power insulated us from any existential threats in our daily lives. The combination of those two things make a female-dominated world almost inevitable. We live in a world where social cunning is the most fungible form of power, and women are much better at manipulating and social situations than men, on average.
Hence the mind labyrinthe where women must be allowed to do whatever they want in the name of freedom.
[deleted] 11y ago
Give me a minute to fix the editing.
Meh, editing is done but still a little tough to follow ~
Sorry about that guys =]
Anyhow, this little gem was so delicious I couldn't pass up taking a stab at the troll. This is a prime example of how feminists feel entitled to the point where they think simply pouting and throwing a fit will cause the world to cave into their desires. It makes me sad that they don't even try to bring any scientific evidence to support their claims and then accuse us of doing the same, despite the fact that we provide evidence for almost all of our theories...
kelpants 11y ago
I don't see very much evidence here from most posters, maybe you are the exception. I haven't been around long enough to tell for sure. I like how people here like to attack me, saying that I'm attacking their character or whatever, and then do the same to me with even less evidence. Quite mature. I don't want the world to cave to my desires. I want to live in a world where I can be treated as someone with the same deserving of rights and respect as you.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
I think this is a core misunderstanding that women typically don't get. Men don't respect each other until it's earned.
kelpants 11y ago
I can respect (heh) that mentality, but when I say respect, I don't mean the kind that you have when you really appreciate someone's worth as a stand-up person. I mean the kind of respect you give someone just because they're a human - respecting their right to life and happiness. If they're infringing on yours - sure, that's a problem. But just because someone is another gender than you is no reason to act like their rights and feelings absolutely do not matter. That's called sociopathy and I don't think that's what's happening here, I think it's something more benign but almost as scary.
[deleted] 11y ago
Believe it or not, the red pill ideology is all about bringing happiness to both men and women. Current research (here and here) has been suggesting a long term trend that women are far less happy than ever, despite having more power than ever. This is due to a miscalculation of the feminists which resulted in a huge imbalance in the sexual market. The sexual market is based on real principles that are tied back to biology, but feminism encourages women to ignore these principles until it's too late. Men, sat back and got lazy because getting laid got too easy (alphas) or too difficult (betas), the result is a world filled with a few happy alpha males with EVERYONE else in complete misery including the majority of women. It was a huge miscalculation, and the red pill is simply market correction.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
You've used the word scary twice now.
I think it's important to note that what you are doing, how you are reacting is exactly as predicted by our theory.
It is the female imperative's job to label things that disagree with it, in order to engender a public disapproval of it.
"Scary"
it's a lot like "Creep."
Nobody wants to be either of those. It subconsciously entered your writing. It's there, like a big check mark that says we're right.
Nobody is infringing on women's right to pursue happiness. Instead, we're giving women exactly what they want. Quite the opposite.
Again, it only serves your imperative to ensure that we don't understand this. But we've wised up too far to believe this tripe.
On glance though, anybody sufficiently plugged in will feel content. "Ah yes, my white knight days haven't been in vain, just look here! Girls find this behavior 'scary' therefore it mustn't work!"
kelpants 11y ago
Yes, because I am literally scared - as in, frightened and anxious - that these belief systems exist on a big enough scale to have a whole community devoted to it. I already have to worry about being raped because I am not physically strong enough to stop someone who had their mind set on doing it, and there are men who feel they need to do such a thing due to whatever impulses they let control them. But now I have to worry about people who think that women who sleep around are sluts, but women who don't give it up are "shit testing" bitches. Which one is it? People who think that women shouldn't vote. That their primary existence is to please and satisfy men. That they are worthless in the "real" world, that they are childish, that they are conniving as a rule.
In five minutes I can find articles that accuse women of being everything under the sun, all the above and more. It shows such a profound desire to label and stereotype an entire gender that I am simply boggled that there are people who feel so disconnected from women that they need to think of them as an entirely different species. Every article I read here feels the need to wield some new weapon of distaste.
If your guys' arguments and articles were just about sex, just about "gaming", it would be much less scary, like seddit, but it's not. There is a very real and strong pulse of the dislike and distrust of women as a whole, and that's dangerous to society.
redpillschool Admin 11y ago
The amount to which you demonstrate no desire to comprehend this information before disagreeing is why we denounce feminism.
I refuse to spend more time attempting to explain anything to you when you lack the decency to spend even a minute reading or attempting to comprehend.
This is of course ironic as your point is how you view yourself as intellectually equal, but fail to live up to even your own standard.
[deleted] 11y ago
The fact that these belief systems exist should bring you great relief. It means men haven't truly given up yet, and there is hope that may bring sanity back to the world someday. You're looking at the problem from all the wrong angles.
5-10 years from now when you hit your wall and start your cat farm after your first divorce rape, think back to this discussion and ask yourself if you ended up where you wanted in life.