EDIT: Rollo mentioned his article on choreplay below. As always, he says it more eloquently than any of us can.
Summary: Many men who love their women and want to ease their load of chores at home discover that the more they help with the chores, the less their women want to fuck them.
The shaming campaign and evidence against it
The most recent shaming campaign (as discussed on TRP) for men comes from Sheryl Sandberg (COO of Facebook, author, and creator of The Sandbergian Plan for Hypergamy) and her hashtag #ShareTheLoad.
Even Bill and Melinda Gates are jumping on the bandwagon pointing out the amount of "unpaid work" that women do around the world (as if men never do unpaid work...and forgetting that most men's paid work is to earn money for their family). Quote from Melinda Gates:
“Unless things change, girls today will spend hundreds of thousands more hours than boys doing unpaid work simply because society assumes it’s their responsibility,”
It's unclear which research studies are supporting Sandberg's facts but there is definitely research out there that shows the opposite: couples where men help their women with their chores have less frequent sex and are ultimately unhappier than couples where the women handles the traditionally female chores:
- This study (and subsequent TRP discussion) shows that "...both husbands and wives in couples with more traditional housework arrangements report higher sexual frequency, suggesting the importance of gender display rather than marital exchange for sex between heterosexual married partners."
- This study, which "analyzed two separate studies involving nearly 20,000 men and women aged 18 to 79" shows that the more chores a husband does, the more likely the marriage will end in divorce.
- This article discusses a study that shows that stay-at-home fathers (performing a traditionally feminine role) are more likely to get divorced.
The 5 bullshit love languages
A short aside: many people will argue for choreplay using a website called "The 5 Love Languages". Let me tell you why this is a complete scam. The 5 love languages, according to this site, are:
- Words of affirmation
- Acts of service
- Receiving gifts
- Quality time
- Physical touch (including sex)
So let's say we have a marriage where the sex has disappeared and they take the 5 love languages quiz to see what their love languages are to help restore the love in the marriage. They get the shocking result the woman's love languages are acts of service (i.e. help with the chores) and receiving gifts (maybe with some quality time and words of affirmation), and the man's love language is physical touch. The woman then says that the man has to do chores and spend money on her to show that she is loved, and then maybe he'll get the physical touch that he needs to feel loved.
Bullshit. Do you really think the guy is going to get more sex if he starts giving her massages, doing more chores and spending more money on gifts? The Brad Pitt rule applies again here - would she refuse to jump his bones if he were not giving her enough acts of service or gifts?
Note: if you're woman is actively negotiating with sex for chores done, then run!
The real dynamic of doing chores
The real dynamic at play: women like masculine men and men like feminine women. This seems stupidly obvious, and maybe it already is to you, but modern society has lost the plot to the point where we need to do research to back this up.
Men who do traditionally feminine chores are not going to be seen as sexy, period. Sure the woman will appreciate his efforts but not to the point of having sex with him. He's simply not going to look manly when he's dusting the furniture or putting away the crystal. It's a lose-lose situation: the woman loses attraction and the man loses free time doing all these chores.
The analogy for a man would be a woman who dresses like a tomboy w/short hair, wears loose overalls all the time, is an ace mechanic and keeps the Mustang in tip-top running condition, is great with tools and appliance installation, is always covered in grease, and loves having a beer while watching football and belching at the referees. Is she going to be sexier than the woman with long and soft flowing hair who doesn't know the difference between an current and voltage but smells like flowers and enjoys dusting the furniture while bent over in her pink frilly bra and panties? The tomboy is certainly more skilled and able to help out with the manly chores but not at all sexy to most men.
If a woman complains about having too many chores to do and the man gives in and helps her, that can lead to an even worse situation, especially if she says she's "too tired for sex" because of it. If the man gives in and starts doing her chores, he's in appeasement mode, and she's learned that she can use sex to negotiate herself out of doing any work. He's going to lose her respect for appeasing her AND he's going to look more feminine doing her chores.
In my limited experience in life, I've found that women are genuinely happy serving a man in traditionally feminine ways, whether it be a massage, cooking, tidying up, or a blowjob. This fits in with Patrice O'Neal's theory that women don't want to win, they want a winner. They don't want to be in charge, they want to associate with a masculine partner who is in charge, and their instinct is to pamper and serve him to show their love. This is why even an entitled rich princess like Paris Hilton will blow her man.
The irony is that in many cases, the more you lighten her load, the less happy she will be...because she's no longer able to express her love in terms of pampering her man. How many times have you heard of the woman who was so happy when she and her husband were young and poor, but now that he is successful and rich and she doesn't have to lift a finger to do any work, she is now miserable?
NOTE: Don't be a dumbass and assume that I'm saying that you can just sit on your ass and contribute nothing while she does everything and things will be great (although if you can manage that, more power to you). Just do the traditionally masculine chores such as moving furniture, plumbing, wiring, home repairs, appliance installation and maintenance, fixing the car, finances, decision-making, managing contractors, security, mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters, moving heavy shit around in the garage, and anything else that involves power tools.
Lessons Learned:
- "Choreplay" rarely works when the man helps with traditionally feminine chores.
- Stick to the manly chores that involve management, power tools, or electronics/computers.
- From the vast TRP wisdom of Rollo: "You can't negotiate desire." The corollary: appeasement is a poor negotiation tool and rarely results in more sex.
- The Brad Pitt rule always applies.
- Women are truly happy when they are serving their man.
- Finally: women honestly want help with their chores, they just don't want to fuck the person doing the helping.
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that1undecidedvoter 9y ago
Here is what you fail to realize or are not accounting for. In the 5 love language book you dont just do things for the other person to get a result.
The best way to explain this is through the act of giving. IMO there is no selfless act. Every act is selfish. We can donate 1 million anon style and while we dont receive public gratitude we do receive the gratitude from self know we did something to help others.
You shouldnt be doing anything because you expect something in return you do it because it makes you feel good. Sex for chores is stupid not because its not true its stupid because you are doing it for a result. You should want to make your wife happy if you do not you should leave her. It should make you feel good to do something she may like. Even if she doesnt it doesnt matter because you did what you wanted to do and her reaction has no bearing on the feeling you should get from doing things.
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I think the problem is more about negotiating desire than about what chores people do. Sane people don't clean their house so that someone will fuck them. They do it because it is good to be clean and orderly.
ThrowyMcGruder 9y ago
Growing up, my father was a bumbling idiot when it came to house work.
He'd be out chopping down trees all damned day or working in construction but would always ask my mother for tea when he got home, ask where dinner was, and basically be on her ass in a teasing way and she'd always be rushing to get things done for him and giggling while she did it.
But whenever she was away he could organize things better than she could. Made better dinner (I didn't eat a steak that wasn't well-done until she went away for a family funeral), kept the house cleaner, just ran things smoothly without any bitching or complaining.
Then he'd let the place become a mess for her return and play the whole "what would I do without you" thing when she did.
I remember thinking this was a shitty thing to do but realized, as I got older, that she'd always be on my ass to clean my room and stuff like that and she'd be more frustrated if I had.
I eventually learned to give her work to do, like he did, because it made her happy to think she was needed.
If I had washed all of my clothes and she asked if I had any clothes that needed washing, saying "no" would lead to her going to my room, looking through my clothes, complaining that a perfectly clean tee shirt wasn't properly washed, washing it, and being generally annoyed and looking for other problems.
She'd probably tell me that the skirting boards needed to be polished or some random shit.
If, instead, I said "yeah" and went to get some clean clothes for her to wash, she'd roll her eyes, shake her head while smiling, say "I have to do everything for you men!", and then ask if I want a sandwich or something after.
What I thought was manipulative behaviour was actually exactly what she wanted and it made her happy.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Your father was obviously a genius when it came to dealing with your mother.
It reminds me of that replacement General in Lawrence of Arabia. Lawrence would drive the old General mad, but the replacement knew exactly how to deal with him.
Entropy-7 9y ago
This seems so retarded to me.
I cook, you clean . . .bitch.
That is a fundamental underpinning to our relationship.
Meat-on-the-table 9y ago
More BP obfuscation of biological truths. You really think there was single cavemen who went out hunting, came home with the game, then proceeded to go out and find the vegetables and rock the baby to sleep?
Delineated responsibilities exist because they utilise each sex's particular stregths--not because men enjoy oppressing women.
What's of interesting note is that all this involves a widening of the scope of things a man is supposed to do to please his woman. Tell me, when was the last time the media pushed any stupidly-worded agenda that women should start fixing more appliances around the house to please their men?
So, yes, I am going to "share the load", but not the load they think, and not in the way they want.
Soarinc 9y ago
If he did -- I guarantee the other cavemen would beat the shit outta him for raising the bar too damn high!
HumanSockPuppet 9y ago
Bitches love a $5 Hot 'N' Ready.
csehszlovakze 9y ago
and SJWs use "biotruther" as some kind of insult now...
redpillbanana 9y ago
Exactly.
This is a good point. I've seen a few "girl power" ads where the woman was doing traditionally masculine chores, but it was to show that she is as good as any man and not because she was supposed to "share the load".
Next time there is a noise in the house in the middle of the night, she can "share the load" and check out if he actually does has a knife.
wanderer779 9y ago
yeah this is why I give no fucks about any of this. Every man knows that the rules state that when shit goes down, we are the ones in it. When we turn 18, we sign a paper saying that if they need someone to go die a ditch, they're calling us. That's pretty shitty, but that is just the way it is and it's not going to change. And that's why I don't have to do the dishes.
When women start taking some of our load by providing and protecting, I'll start doing this shit. Until then it's just a bunch of people yapping.
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My experience, which of course is only one data point, is that it's ok to do those things if you do them in a manly way. Baby won't sleep? Take your shirt off and let him snuggle in with your manly warmth and talk to him calmly with your deep voice. Making dinner? Grill some meat to a perfect medium or medium/rare.
A woman wants you to be a man and there are still manly ways to do "feminine" things.
Meat-on-the-table 9y ago
There is nothing wrong with helping out where it makes sense. But this isn't what these people are advocating. They want an extension of what the man should do in their minds, without any reciprocal action on the part of the woman.
It's pure fantasy to assume being a domesticated puppy will get you more sex. Knowing the hamster, she is likely to dismiss his advances under the guise that she feels ill-treated because he only did those things to get sex. You know, the ol' "I want you to do what I want you to do because you want to do it, not because I want you to do it."
This inverts power dynamics because the men who are badgered by this simply don't know how insidious their actions are. I often cook for myself and my LTR, but when I do I always order her around in the kitchen, making her do the chopping and mundane tasks. In that way, the Captain-First Mate dynamic is solidly maintained.
Haakon_Stormbrow 9y ago
Grrr!!
That is exactly what i hear... Man i am screwed... err.. not screwed.
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raceAround126 9y ago
Haha. I tried chore play.
When it came time.to cash in, guess what.
"No way I am not a prostitute..."
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
So she lied to you at least twice.
MajorStyles 9y ago
Every violent urge I own surges when I see Sheryl Sandberg's face.
Her lying, canniving grill is too much for me to take.
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verdantsound 9y ago
I think this post is misguided. It's not about trade chores for sex. It's about lowering her inhibitions for sex. If she's mentally preoccupied with Oh Shit i have to wash the sink, she's going to wash the sink before doing you. You can expedite this process by washing the sink.
Also, I think this masculine/feminine division of chores is going to be out of date soon. As more women work the same long hours, they won't have time to do all the "female chores." And a redistribution is in order.
redpillbanana 9y ago
This is actually the misguided thinking here. If Brad Pitt showed up, would she be worried about whether the sink was clean?
Imagine it is nighttime and your woman is crawling around on the bed in her bra and panties and looking like a Playboy Playmate. Are you thinking about how spongy your brake pedal felt in the morning and how you're probably going to have to bleed the brake lines tomorrow? Is it reasonable to expect her to go out and bleed the brake lines so your inhibitions for sex are lowered?
verdantsound 9y ago
Absolutely. Sure, if he showed up for the first time she might not; but if he was over on the regular of course the novelty wears off a bit. And the same with the other example. Gotta compare apples to apples.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
Aside: One of my plates is into the 5 Love Languages, etc., so I point out that while her "language" is "Affirmation" - she needs compliments like she needs air - mine is "physical touch", which is why I want to fuck her all the time.
So basically, I weaponized that shit right back at her. She used to try and "shame" me for wanting sex - and really, I get it; she's hot and every guy who has ever talked to her from the time she was 14 has been trying to fuck her - but no I get a free pass b/c "Physical Touch is my 'Love Language' baby..."
redpillbanana 9y ago
Brilliant.
If I ever run into a woman who is into the 5 Love Languages, I'm going to tell her that my primary love languages are giving ass-to-mouth and receiving Omega Speedmasters.
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BluepillProfessor 9y ago
It is commanding performance, not negotiating. A critical reframe better than anything Houdini did.
VasiliyZaitzev 9y ago
Nope. It's co-opting her frame, and using it against her. She tried to re-frame b/c of some silly book, and I took her frame and tied it into a pretzel.
Women will, from time to time, get retarded fucking ideas in their heads b/c they read some pop culture rage or one of their friends who is a loser at love wants her to be miserable, too, etc. Managing this in relations is often a process of gentle correction....
Then you lack imagination. I simple led her Back to the Path. She's a bit worried that I only value her for her model-like looks and that she "could be any tall girl with long legs". That is, in part, true, one supposes, but the reality is that she's very submissive--when I take her out, she will ask me if she can have something before she orders it, because she feels it's respectful {bearing in mind that our incomes are disparate, so I simply pick up the tab when I take her out, but then again, I also choose when we go out, and to where.} She also basically did a 180 on the recent shit blizzard after I re-framed her, and apologized. Lately, she's been talking babies, and when you have a 21 y.o. with baby rabies that's the product of tingles, i.e. she wants me to breed her.
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aussydog 9y ago
One of the most irritating quotes to enter into the general populace's vernacular is, "Happy wife, happy life." Those men that go through life with this mantra at the forefront of their thinking end up being browbeaten, nagged, and unhappy until such time as they divorce or end up in an early grave.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Yeah, that one is up there with "The woman is always right."
If you reverse it to "Happy life, happy wife," it makes much more sense.
alphabeta49 9y ago
Thanks for setting the record straight re: 5LL. My wife isn't evil, and she generally has good intentions. She's completely unaware of her dual strategy.
But she used that book like the devil. And I was the sucker that frustratingly fell for it.
Now I've adopted a simpler model:
I add value to her life, and she in turn adds value to mine. If I'm adding value but I don't feel she's adding value in the way I want, I correct her (sometimes overtly with words, but most of the time covertly using dread). If she's adding value but feels that I'm not adding value in the way she wants, she is free to bring it up as well. It works much better because we can't hold specific (read: intentionally narrow) standards ridiculously high over each other's heads. It also encourages personal responsibility. "You aren't getting the love you want? What makes you think you deserve it?"
That book is dangerous.
redpillbanana 9y ago
This is perfect and makes much more sense than 5LL.
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J2501 9y ago
I hung out with a stripper the summer after I graduated college. She used to call me on the phone, in a sexy voice, and say, 'I have a special job that only you can handle.'
Upon driving over to her house, she would ask me to move some heavy furniture.
Needless to say, I shook her off pretty quick.
redpillbanana 9y ago
You should have asked for payment up front in a currency that only she could provide.
Red_August 9y ago
This is an industry PR jewel from the feminist hive mind. This is no different than growers promoting goji berries or quinoa or kale or chia seeds or any other number of unknown foods into superfoods to increase their value and consumption. Women participating in the beta-male-provider market pay with their pussies for male resources. It is in their interests to influence the exchange rate. If the tide comes in, all boats get to rise so all women catch-on instinctively and chime-in hoping to get more value for their hard-earned pussy-dollar spend.
WhySoRuff 9y ago
Well everyone's pushing their agenda. Is there anything you've found about these super foods that we should know about?
johnchapel 9y ago
What the fuck is this recent obsession with taking a 2016 solution to a 1950s problem?
I said this in that other sharetheload thread, what work are they even talking about? I cook and I clean because I am an independent adult. It has nothing to do with my gender. What the fuck else are they talking about that I'm not doing? Is it just the assumption that women should actually be doing NO work at all and society should put them on an even higher pedestal that they are on, and deny that theyre on, now?
facetothedawn 9y ago
I can confirm this. I tried "choreplay" and it got me literally nowhere. Share the chores is what I say and occasionally do them together. I think it means more to do it this way - it shows that WE are maintaining OUR house together.
watcher45 9y ago
Appeasement didnt work with Hitler, it won't work with women.
trp_angry_dwarf 9y ago
What shits me is that efficiency is never taken into account. I don't give a shit about "how many hours" if you're a slacker.
I take about 2 hours to fucking spit polish my entire apartment. Everything. Laundry, dishes, beds (guest room too) vacuum, wash the dog, sweep up the dog hair, mop balcony, etc. Spray and wipe the balcony glass, french doors...
Every Fucking Thing.
One long term GF would put on a load of washing, bust out her phone and get on facebook until it finished, then put it in the dryer, facebook again, do the ironing, "take a break", put it all back in drawers/wardrobe and then have to have another break because it's been such a tiresome day. "I'll do the rest of the housework tomorrow. Can you make lunch plz bby?"
Number of hours isn't actually a useful measure in this scenario.
Roughknot 9y ago
I was was recently speaking to my friends wife. She wants a pool he said no. She said she'll just go on a sex strike.
But they don't see that as manipulation it's just fair.
In my BP days I was big on the coreplay. Fuck that shit.
A while ago she came home after therapy and said I need need to help more. I said no.
I said everything you do around the house I can do. You can't do everything I do, so you'll keep doing the laundry until you are willing and able to yard work.
Shut her up nicely no issues since.
redpillbanana 9y ago
This is a legitimate reason to bring in the scabs.
Overkillengine 9y ago
Yup. I'm not a fan of cheating, but like a wise saying I once saw here: sex isn't getting the correct answer on a relationship test, it is writing your name on the damn paper so you can get credit at all!
A sex strike gets a fidelity strike.
poochman 9y ago
What about doing laundry (I wash it/she folds it)?
Fut745 9y ago
My personal experience back when I was an idiot is that if you play the good boy that helps her with the chores, you won't play the man that helps her with the sex. Which character you gotta choose if you don't wanna get the "game over, you lose"?
Albacorewing 9y ago
This is just typical feminist poop. Single men do all these chores themselves. This feminist nonsense is a good reason, among many others, to not get married in this day and age. Modern women are taught to be just plain selfish & poisonous.
St_OP_to_u_chin_me 9y ago
Whoa?! That "Note:"....that's a whore. That's a women giving oral copulation for services rendered. I'd divorce a wife asap if that even so as showed up once in a relationship. That's below beta bucks imho.
sir_wankalot_here 9y ago
OP is obviously talking about some sort of mythical creature here.
Sounds like a great idea, does OP know where to find one ? While he is at it find one that cuts the lawn, fixes the roof and all this stuff ?
Heck while we are on this track. When the dog is barking art night and it sounds like someone is breaking into the house. Find one who is good with a gun so I don't have to get my ass out of bed.
redpillbanana 9y ago
If there were one that looked like Marisa Tomei, that would be even better.
White_Phillip 9y ago
No one ever recognizes "dad chores" aka the ones that require actual skill or manual labor. I've never met a woman who complained about doing dishes that could fix a car, build anything, or chop wood.
My mom cooked and cleaned, but guess who did all the "unpaid labor" of fixing shit, mowing the lawn, changing oil, building a deck, and all that shit? Hell, guess who paid for the bulk of all unpaid labor? Guess who drove hours to so carpentry and who did menial office work ten minutes from home?
locke939 9y ago
My ex who I broke up with after 9 months. we used to do tons of crazy shenanigans, both helped out with the apartment. After awhile she'd always be tired after work and I'd get her a glass of ice filled with soda etc. Before I knew it she woulndt fall asleep unless she was in my arms and I was snaking my nails lightly over her back in a space invaders fashion. I'd do this for a good 30 minutes straight while just as tired as her, and I'd start falling aslepe and my hands would stop and she'd wake up and get upset "why did you stop?" with an annoyed tone in her voice. Once of the first red flags. 2 or 3 months later we split. Was extremely messy.
no_face 9y ago
A Harlem Tragedy covered this. A classic if you havent read it yet.
When a woman says you must help with the chores, it probably means something else
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redpillbanana 9y ago
This is an important point and worth emphasizing.
As I said before, every shit test is a woman moving her troops into the Rhineland. Fail enough shit tests and you'll have WWII on your hands.
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Just like corporate management.
Overkillengine 9y ago
If your woman wants help with the chores, hire a maid.
A hot one.
Make sure she's scheduled to clean when your woman is out.
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redparadigm 9y ago
Excellent post.
Not to remove responsibility from women, but to be honest, most guys in this day and age definitely cant do a lot from your list, like plumbing, fixing cars, wiring, home repairs, finances and etc.
Yes choreplay never works. I know as I tried it in my failed marriage. Yet, at that point of time I didn't peruse or had interest in a lot of your masculine chore list. I'm slowly learning about those things but like most betas in recovery never had a father to teach me those.
Like someone above me said: "If you want that male-female polarity you have to hold your end of the bargain."
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Then fucking learn. None of it is hard. Be careful of gas and wiring though :)
redpillbanana 9y ago
We talk about how women are declining in quality in the West but I'm sad to say that, as a whole, men are declining in quality too in the way that you describe. I know that high schools used to teach things like auto shop and wood/metal working (just like they would teach home economics and sewing) but I think these classes are going away if they haven't disappeared already.
hhamama66 9y ago
They are going away, which is a huge part of why most boys simply aren't interested in going to school anymore. Couple that with the fact that girls are treated as the gold standard and boys are treated like defective girls and you have a recipe for disaster.
redparadigm 9y ago
I'm in my early thirties and never done any plumbing, wiring or know how to fix my car.
I desperately want to learn how to fix cars but no one in my family or social circle knows anything about it.
I'm almost tempted taking community college classes for auto mechanic.
Aby advice for cultivating those skills assuming zero knowledge or Experience?
redpillbanana 9y ago
Take those CC classes. Community college is the perfect place to learn hands-on skills.
Next time something goes wrong in your home, try to fix it, even if it takes a long time. Get the proper tools to do it. If you have to call someone in to fix it, shadow them and ask them exactly what is wrong and what they are doing to fix it.
If you get new electrical fixtures or appliances, try installing it yourself or at least shadow the guy doing it. Tell him you want to learn.
Buy a book on how to build your own home and read it. Do you know what a DWV is? Anti-siphon valve? Sacrificial anode rod? Cleanout? Heat exchanger? Tyvek? How many amps can your electrical panel handle?
Look at the routine maintenance schedule for your car and try doing the simpler items. Try changing your oil, coolant, spark plugs, air filter, and lights. Top up your brake fluid. Jack up your car and rotate your tires. Locate the fuse box in your car. Clean the acid off your battery and/or replace it. Slowly move up to more complicated items. Get the Chilton manual for your car and look through it.
dongpal 9y ago
buy do it yourself books for your car
there are some maintenance things in your car which are simple to fix and you could do yourself, do them
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Most of that stuff is really easy. There are YouTube videos about almost everything. Just watch the video, chat with the grumpy old dude at the hardware store, then fix it. It takes forever when you do it the first time, just like everything else. It becomes more natural after a while though, especially as you accumulate the tools to do basic work around the house and car.
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You don't need classes, if you really want to know simply buy yourself a cheap second hand motorcycle, pull it to bits and put it back together again. It's à giant jigsaw puzzle. You will learn the ins and outs and the mechanics very quickly and it's very similar to a car.
Just remember to label each part and each bolt as you take them out so you put it back in the right order. Poke the bolts through a piece of cardboard to keep them orderly.
You will also want to get a manual and a torque wrench, especially when dealing with engine bolts as many of them have to be tightened to a specific tightness.
If you don't want to go that extreme just do this with parts of your car I.e. a wheel, learn to disassemble the wheel hub and access the brake pads or learn to change the oil and filter. It's really not difficult.
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redpillbanana 9y ago
Man, that was a sad story that became even sadder at the end.
Something tells me that the lawyer didn't have to earn gold stars on a posterboard in order to have sex with her.
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redpillbanana 9y ago
I'm glad your friend landed on his feet. Not all guys are as lucky as him.
That's the sad part - the guys hurt the most by this whole game are often the most solid and stand-up guys.
arrayay 9y ago
Mancave? If you use that term you are already being brainwashed. A man's house used to be his castle. He didn't need permission to have a 'cave'.
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thenemaxofredpill 9y ago
My LTR tried to get me to do the dishes because she cooked. I just looked at her and laughed. Told her that I just jump right up and turn into a woman real quick....stop paying the bills and do the dishes and laundry. She got the point and laughed. Then she asked me if I wanted a beer.
Damn good to be a man.
mrust 9y ago
Rollo has additional articles specifically about Choreplay. One of the lessons I took away is that a woman will get really frustrated if you assign her simple tasks that are important. She does not want the responsibility of doing important stuff even if there is less labour involved. e.g. making a decision, meeting a deadline, filling in and dropping off important documents.
As the man, it's even more important to take responsibility for long-term outlook, organizing and planning. Ask yourself, if she fucks this up, will you lose sleep over it or have to do it yourself? Will it mess with your comfort or jeopardize upcoming plans? Then this is a task you should handle yourself.
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johnchapel 9y ago
I don't know your situation, but cooking isn't feminine anymore. Cooking is badass, and also, its something that you really need to know how to do if you want to be an adult.
Unless you were baking brownies wearing a white apron, im inclined to think that if you did lose your masculinity, it lies somewhere else. Cooking badass food is just that: its badass.
stawek 9y ago
you cook, she does the dishes
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I can share some of the load. But it will have to come out of my second head.
rektum_expander 9y ago
What the fuck do these uber-rich people know about chores? I bet neither of these women have ever cleaned a toilet in their lives! Fuck them. These women don't clean, they don't cook, drive, none of that stuff. It sounds like an old 80"s Eddy Murrfy bit.
CopperFox3c 9y ago
As Pook said: A servant you be, a friend she’ll see.
Respect is all, my friends.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Pook never fails to impress me with his wisdom.
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Often the inverse / reverse is true. When a woman is somehow doing things for you , for whatever reason, it puts her in a state to be more open to "show physical love". I do not know why this happens, but I see it often. Likely part of the totem pole of social status.
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redpillbanana 9y ago
Thanks for the clarification. As I said above, the love languages as described are all effective tools to be used at appropriate times in the relationship.
What I think is bullshit is thinking that someone would have anything but physical touch as their primary love language. I'm sure these people exist but they are not normal by any means.
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redpillbanana 9y ago
Exactly. This leads me to an important point: note that all the love languages, besides physical touch, can be done with platonic friends. Only the physical touch part (outside of hugs and slaps on the back) can be done with your woman.
jb_trp 9y ago
It's easy: Imagine a woman you know that you don't want to have sex with. Now, imagine her doing the dishes. Do you want to have sex now?
Rasalom72 9y ago
Plus, this doesn't factor in the fact that most women have much higher standards then men do in regards to what is "required" to do around the house.
She wants to vacuum/ dust every room every day/ week/ whatever? And the guy is fine with doing it when it needs to be done... so she wants you to "help" her doing something that might not need to be done, just to make her feel better about having a "clean" house? FUCK THAT.
My wife tried that shit one me, and I told her I wasn't going to entertain her crazyness. We're not living in filth, and the house doesn't need to be dust free 24/7. If it did... we would be living in a hermetically sealed bubble. I told her if she wants to spend her time cleaning instead of spending time with me, then I would find other things to do. The dust bunnies have never been happier.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Good point, and this is multiplied by the fact that they want more decorative items and such which requires even more maintenance.
If she want a ruffled bed skirt, she can take care of cleaning the damn thing.
james-watson 9y ago
Sweet jesus almighty, the decoration hoarding.
Women have no taste. I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way. They think trinkets and useless baubles are "pretty".
Men? Everything in my living space is functional. My decoration is fully functional medieval weaponry on the wall. Meaningful art. Minimal and functional furniture and appliances.
Hers? Fluffy stuffed toys, glass trinkets and baubles out the wazoo, shiny useless shit, etc.
Bless their female souls, they just lack that logical brain.
redpillbanana 9y ago
"Form follows function" according to the architect Louis Sullivan and his assistant, Frank Lloyd Wright.
alpha_n3rd 9y ago
eh I'm pretty bad about hoarding "practical" junk that I "might use someday"; not in my living space though
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Millions of boys are being taught to do hours and hours of unpaid yard work every year! Ladies, share the load! Help mow the lawn, trim the bushes, clean the gutter, pull weeds, etc! Cmon, girls, it's 2016!
And thr best part is that this "unpaid work" is pretty damn easy.
Laundry, dishes, all of it is quick and painless. And cleaning a house is probably an hour or two max, and is a once a week at worst kind of thing. Even cleaning the house isn't that hard. Not exactly hours of unpaid, toiling labor.
In the scenario being shown, the woman does 30minutes to an hour of "unpaid" work, tops. And it's not that hard. The man is working a full work day of paid work, and the money goes to support the woman/household. That is her payment. And they want the guy to come home and work more?
thedonjom 9y ago
Q: What do you call a woman who isn't in the kitchen?
A: Who cares! Tell her to get back in the kitchen!
Rollo-Tomassi 9y ago
There are precious few feminine social conventions I haven't written about. Choreplay is a textbook example of a convention that gets recycled every 3-5 years:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/01/30/choreplay/
And often by the exact same authoresses with entirely conflicting takes each time they write about it.
If you've ever wondered or doubted how the Feminine Imperative uses and reuses operative social conventions Choreplay serves as all the proof you need.
redpillbanana 9y ago
I remember reading your article but for some reason it didn't come to mind when I wrote this. I'll fix that right now.
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there's a study, google it if you'd like, that shows that men who do the majority of the household chores or men that split the household chores with women get less sex than men who do not 'help around the house'
for 2 reasons -
first there is no such thing as equal, even in a relationship. someone is above, someone is below.
second, even if you hypothetically were her equal, we all know she doesn't want to fuck her equal. she wants to fuck someone better.
NameOfAction 9y ago
I thought choreplay was making her clean naked while you order her to do degrading things with a feather duster.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Relevant Mad Men clip.
sunderfrost 9y ago
The pulling the hair. It works every, fucking, time.
TRP_Lee_zard 9y ago
Al Bundy said this years ago
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PrinceofSpades 9y ago
It really is amazing how well-written the shit tests in this show were, and how cleanly he deals with them. A woman will tell you to your face she thinks Don Draper is sexy but will almost always fail to tell you why.
redpillbanana 9y ago
It's because half the writers are women.
muddynips 9y ago
It's a shame how he left it though. Paid her a fortune and promised to keep looking after her.
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polakfury 9y ago
How would you got about changing the dynamic in a LTR or in marriage within that context?
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johnchapel 9y ago
It's also monumental evidence as a penchant for cheating.
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hhamama66 9y ago
Bill Burr used to say that any job you can do in your pajamas is an easy job.
rpkarma 9y ago
I can do my job in my pyjamas.
He's not wrong.
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nuhu39n 9y ago
Husband pay for house for his wife to live in.
Husband pay for food for his wife to eat.
Husband pays for clothes and shoes for his wife to wear.
Husband pay for car for his wife to drive.
Wife irons husband shirts. "OMG UNPAID WORK!!!"
arrayay 9y ago
We need to take taxpayer money to fund a study on all this unpaid women's work. Then we can release a report!
TheReindeerGuy 9y ago
Well at least hire women to do the work, they will do it unpaid or for only 70% of the cost of hiring a man. That will save some of the taxpayers money.
[deleted] 9y ago
holidays and birthdays as so expensive to men, but not so much for women
aa223 9y ago
I consider Valentine's Day another Christmas for women.
[deleted] 9y ago
and once you make them a mother...
ThrowyMcGruder 9y ago
I find gift-giving to be one of the biggest tells in how women think.
They expect the greatest gifts on Earth as a given but can't conjure up good gifts for the life of them.
One girlfriend asked me if I liked some horrible pink shirt with red stripes, about a month before Christmas, and I told her that I wouldn't be seen dead wearing it.
Guess what I got for Christmas.
Another girlfriend, around the time Harry Potter became famous, had heard me mention several times how sick I was of seeing Harry fucking Potter everywhere.
She bought me the third book in the series because "I talked about it so much".
Another girlfriend asked if I'd be interested in going to a spa and getting a facial. I laughed and said "fuck no".
She booked both of us in for a facial for my birthday. I told her to take her sister, which she did. Then she cried because I ruined my birthday for her.
That same girlfriend saw me trying to buy a video game a few weeks before Christmas, and asked me not to, because that's what she was getting me.
Christmas came and she got me some shitty second-hand game that I'd never even heard of with a sticker stating that it was €8.
When I asked what happened to the game I wanted she said, "It was €60. I'm not spending €60 on a stupid game."
Can you imagine the result if I only spent €8 on her?
These were all pretty good girlfiends too. My RP-minded sisters, (who were pretty damned good radar on who was and wasn't a slut and accidentally pointed me in the direction of who was easy), hated most girls that I hooked up with but gave nods of approval on these.
Most women just don't have it in their heads that they should get something good for you.
I have one ex, ever, who bought me a selfless gift and she's honestly as close to a unicorn as I've ever seen.
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marlybarrow 9y ago
What if the woman makes a lot more than the man?
What if she makes a little more than the man?
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marlybarrow 9y ago
If the rationale behind men not doing housework is because the man works hard at a job providing for the woman, what should the man do if his wife earns far more than he does? The household doesn't require him to work hard therefore there is no reason for him to refuse housework. What does he do?
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SolarPoweredSauna 9y ago
That is short term thinking.
I am retired. My wife still works. She has an important job, makes lots of money, and enjoys her work. She has no desire to retire and I see no reason why she should. She absolutely "out works" me.
The idea that she would lose respect for me because I was able to retire before she was ready to stop working is absurd. I would be doing something very wrong if I needed a job to command the respect of my wife and children. That would be very beta.
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SolarPoweredSauna 9y ago
My wife is out working me because I don't work. That doesn't mean I'm lazy. I have a lot of interests and I enjoy pursuing them. But let's not confuse my projects and hobbies with work. They are a pleasure.
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SolarPoweredSauna 9y ago
I retired at age 37. If a woman is repulsed by the fact that I was successful at a young age or that I am living the rest of my life on my own terms...Fuck her.
I'm secure enough in my masculinity to enjoy my success without some compulsion to outwork my wife.
marlybarrow 9y ago
I'm just trying to nail exactly for what reason the man shouldn't do housework, according to you.
In your initial comment you said that the wife should do the 'unpaid work' because the husband is working hard to make money to give her the time to stay at home. So I reversed the sexes to see if the man should do housework when it's the woman working hard and making money and his need to work at a job isn't needed. You replied that the man should go to work anyway to maintain the respect of his wife and if I infer correctly to maintain a sense of purpose. Therefore, in the case of a high earning woman/low earning man coupling where they both work hard at their jobs, the woman will still be required to do housework, correct?
Who does or doesn't do housework isn't determined for financial reasons as you stated in your first post, but to maintain a masculine/feminine polarity within the relationship. Right?
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marlybarrow 9y ago
I understand, he works hard to maintain her respect and attraction and NOT about money which makes this paragraph in your first post:
superfluous. Being able to think clearly and construct sturdy arguments is an ability that needs to be developed amongst all of us, and that is what I tried to get you to do, to nail down your argument.
[deleted] 9y ago
Choreplay is a shit test. Proper response: "Ok, cool. I can hire a maid and find another woman to suck my dick. Problem solved"
tddaygame 9y ago
And most important "chore" of all: fuck her good.
Also: she'll be a submissive feminine woman only for a dominant masculine man. The more confident, successful and strong man you are the more cute, caring and sexy woman she is. If you want that male-female polarity you have to hold your end of the bargain.
redpillbanana 9y ago
Well-said, and I can't believe I left that out.
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Make no mistake gents, this is the long haul. When you've fucked her in every way, whenever you want, however you want... It gets... How shall we say... Old.
It's not that it's not good, per se, but in the mind, there is a special place reserved for the "new". That place is always there; it can't be turned off.
So the mind wants new experiences, new shiny things, new pussy.
But you love her, you don't want to break her trust and cheat on her (or maybe you do; no judgments). Anyhow, you gotta get your ass back in there and fuck her good. If you want to maintain your frame, that is.
If you want to lose her, then go chase strange and leave her sexually frustrated. I'm not saying you can't chase strange but there is a balance. Some men can pull it off. Do what you want. Choose your own adventure.
But if you decide to LTR her, have a family, etc, you're signing up to fuck her good on a regular basis. It's a burden of being a man.
Good luck.
bobbyfitness22 9y ago
dick pills and forcing her to be athletic for years might help
aguy01 9y ago
Seriously, even after a 2 year ltr with a young and attractive girl I'd find myself forcing it, while having an unending desire for other girls. I would've rather been jacking off to new women most of the time.
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polakfury 9y ago
How do you personally get her to be regular when it comes to being intimate?
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It's a condition of the relationship since inception.
[deleted] 9y ago
Even the concept that women do all the domestic work is bullshit. Who fixes the car, cleans the gutters, mows the lawn, paints the bedroom, grouts the tiles, mows the lawn etc
redpillbanana 9y ago
I was surprised when I started listing all the masculine chores - I had to stop because my list was growing out of control. Even I didn't realize how much a man does around the house.
The man is also a security guard on top of all of this. When something goes bump in the night, the man has to go check it out.
[deleted] 9y ago
my mother used to mock lions for being lazy while the lioness hunted. She didn't realize that if the father left then other males would kill all their kids to put the lionesses into estrus.
The_Man_on_the_Wall 9y ago
My mother used to get so pissed when I would bring this up. My father did everything around here. Mowed the lawn, opened closed and maintained the pool, remodeled rooms, painted, installed appliances, installed electric, did all landscaping, took out the trash, maintained the property (Fence, deck, shed...powerwash, water seal, you name it) and was the main breadwinner the entire time.
She used to bitch about having to do laundry(a machine does it), Dishes(Was hand washed until me and my brother moved out, then suddenly that built in dishwasher she refused to use was suddenly put into use daily) and general cleaning and cooking. When put into the proper context she would just get mad and shutdown. Not that I cared one bit, I could manage all these trivial tasks for myself. I think I was a better cook than her by age 16 just from watching TV.
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Funny how you move out, live on your own, and realize all those horrible chores your mom toiled away at amounts to like an hour a day tops.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Yeah, less than an hour. It was always sold to me as a full time job too.
Thing is.... in 1940 it WAS a fulltime job. But now men have invented labour saving devices so that women have 8 spare hours a day to get validated on Tinder ... "just for a laugh".
[deleted] 9y ago
Yeah, I remember when I got my first place, I always had fresh clothes, I cooked 2-3 meals a day and everything was always spotless. I spent maybe 30-45 minutes a day on 'oppressive' household tasks.
[deleted] 9y ago
well, you forgot about the 6 hours of "my shows" M-F.
[deleted] 9y ago
Mama's watchin' her stories!
[deleted] 9y ago
before the divorce my stay at home wife watched so much Netflix she ran out of shows. Then she got Hulu. Wouldn't have been a problem if the house was clean and my son didn't get cavities.
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BluepillProfessor 9y ago
I was a househusband to my ball busting lawyer wife for several years. It is MUCH easier than a part time job. 3 kids, 4 dogs, 2 hours a day tops and that is with dinner on the table when she walks in the door and the kids homework done.
SolarPoweredSauna 9y ago
In this case, you HAVE to look at your sources.
Sheryl Sandberg, Bill Gates, and Melinda Gates do not actually have to do any domestic chores. The have more than enough resources to hire housekeepers, butlers, grounds keepers, handymen, drivers, nannies, personal assistants, etc.. Bill Gates is not aerating his own lawn or cleaning his own gutters.
Sandberg and the Gates' choose which domestic chores they wish to do themselves. Then based on their personal experiences with a small subset of what a normal household manages, they extrapolate that men should be doing more.
Bigger picture, Bill and Melinda Gates have touched on a significant problem. Unpaid labor is a burden to women in many parts of the world. The solution to make clean water, electricity, and modern housekeeping technology (indoor plumbing, ranges, ovens, mechanical washing machines, etc.) accessible to more people. If you want to help a woman in Bangladesh do less unpaid labor, bring running water to her house so she doesn't have to haul it and set her up with a refrigerator so she doesn't have to grocery shop every day. That would have a much greater impact then telling her husband to share the load. Besides, her husband is probably Dubai working 18 hours a day.
human_enquirer 9y ago
Anything with the Bill and Melinda Gates stamp of approval reeks of disingenuous bullshit.
SolarPoweredSauna 9y ago
I can't agree with you there. Their foundation has done tremendous work towards addressing global inequality. And there is inequality in the world.
Plenty of wealthy people have generously chosen to donate their money to worthy causes (hospitals, universities, libraries, museums, etc.) but did little more than write check. The Gates Foundation actively seeks out and funds solutions to problems of inequality. I think that's nobel.
human_enquirer 9y ago
Perhaps the end justifies the means. In all fairness, it's pretty cool that they (the foundation) cut donation checks to hospitals. Due to the means by which Bill achieved success, I am skeptical as to whether his motivations are truly nobel.
SolarPoweredSauna 9y ago
What part of eradicating malaria or preparing inner city high school students for college and trade do you find suspicious? What's wrong with providing prosthetic limbs to amputees in the third world? Or teaching illiterate adults to read?
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watcher45 9y ago
sharetheload.
Ill share my load, open up sweetheart.
TheEnglishman28 9y ago
This may be a little out of left field. I look at the RPW subreddit every now and then. The women there are pretty much the best kind of definition when it comes to the Captain/First Mate dynamic. They understand their responsibilities AND they are self accountable. But that doesn't mean they are brainwashed weak willed subservient wenches as the feminazi "strong independent wymyn" would have you believe.
They make sure they select a Captain that is worth following. That makes all the difference in the world. The rest takes care of itself. They cook, clean, and take care of their Captain because their Captain ensures their ship is upright and on course.
[deleted] 9y ago
Women doing hours and hours of "unpaid work" may have been relevant in decades past but these days women have near zero domestic skills. In my house not only do I do all the "mans work" but most of the woman's work as well. The 1950s are gone, yet today's feminists want all the respect of being a proper lady minus the responsibility that comes with that title
SexistFlyingPig 9y ago
Manly choreplay is shit like fixing the garage door or replacing shingles or rehanging the front door because the house shifted.
But it's not done in the hopes that you'll get sex. It's done 'cause it needs to get done. The sex also needs to get done. Actually, we should probably take care of the sex now, because I'll be covered in debris later, and it's good to get the blood flowing early.
redpillbanana 9y ago
I like your reasoning here.
Men's chores are not done in the hopes that you'll get sex, but sometimes it happens.
There was one night when my ex heard a noise in the basement and woke me up. Crap, I was having a nice dream. I grabbed the flashlight and groggily went outside, opened the cellar doors, and descended into the darkness. Looked around a bit and discovered it was just a possum so I figured I'd deal with it in the morning. Once I went back into the house, my ex was waiting in the house and shaking. I told her it was just an animal and asked her what was wrong. She said that she was scared to death and the whole situation was like the beginning of a bad horror flick. Once we got back in bed, she immediately jumped my bones.
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Good post. "Love languages" is utter horseshit.
I love the fact that all these "equitable share of the household labor" meatheads conveniently leave out the massive amount of yard work and home maintenance done by the average home-owning family man.
I do plenty of cooking and cleaning (I like cooking, and it's currently the only way to live in a clean-to-my-standards house), and 99% of the building, carrying, painting, tree-trimming, digging, gardening, vehicle maintenance,... and anything indoors that needs height, strength, or is "yucky".
dongpal 9y ago
Im sharing the chore with my gf to about 40/60%. She is working and is busy just like me, so I dont see any reason to tell her she needs to do everything alone when I live here too.
BluepillProfessor 9y ago
If you think that is what is being said you need to check your reading comprehension.
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I agree with everything you wrote except for the bit on love languages, because of interpretation :
Words of affirmation ---
" thank you for making my favorite meal, I appreciate it" " I love when you put on that outfit"
"You look so sexy with that shaved pussy" :: proceed to give her several orgasms while getting yours::
Acts of service
This is the one that is weaponized most often and poorly understood -
REWARD her good / positive behavior by acts of service such as Reminding her not to forget X. Or maybe fix her a cup of coffee as she is cleaning up the mess you made on her face.
The point is, its about framing your interpretation of the "act". And as people here and even at that silly site say, DO NOT do things you do not want to do, and certainly do not do it out of obligation.
Receiving gifts --- Give her skittles!!!! this one is a no brainer.
Quality time ---
This is your best resource and you should use it wisely. Reward good behavior by giving her attention. It is simple and has a high return on demand, unless you are her girlfriend. Do not be her girlfriend.
Physical touch (including sex) - Hug her tightly and give her comfort after a particularly good sexual performance. Give her the backrub that you know turns her on. Give her the gift of knowing how to fuck well ( there is a recent post on this)
The 5 love languages are not wrong. What is wrong is interpreting them as "this for that".
Also, flip the fucking script... no sex without gifts?? BS - no skittles without sex.
redpillbanana 9y ago
I agree that all the "love languages" are tools that should be used at appropriate times in a loving relationship. The bullshit part is that someone would have anything other than physical touch as their "primary love language".
Physical touch is so important that babies who are deprived of loving contact end up with lasting physical and mental development problems from which they may never recover. Imagine if a mother said something like, "I love my baby but I don't touch him because his primary love language is words of affirmation."
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you are completely correct. I read the 5 love languages book a while ago and I will tell you that the "primary" love language of an adult will change with what that person experiences.
If you get laid without a problem, then " physical touch" is likely not your current love language in the moment. If you do get laid and don't feel appreciated for work you do ( home, outside the home, whatever) maybe you will test out as "words of affirmation"
[deleted] 9y ago
Never thought of it like that but that's a good point. Everyone I've known who doesn't have touch as their primary love language is very obviously a damaged person in some way.
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
This sounds like the 3/2rd rule for texting. Before you gave her a gift, you've already fucked her AND came on her face.
Sex - 1 pt
Facial - 2 pts from her
THEN she gets the skittles - 1 pt from you
For every 2 good things she does, you reward her once.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
No rewards for sex, and I make this very clear should it ever start to rear it's ugly whoring head:
"Sex is something we both do because we both enjoy it... so tell me again what it is you're putting into this".
Skittles are for stuff over and above sex, when she's actually putting something in.
And yes, I know about the sex vs commitment exchange. I know I'm being unreasonable, and I know she can get a better deal elsewhere (or at least get rewarded for sex). Tough shit: I don't pay, that's my frame and I'm sticking to it, and it's non negotiable. Most girls respect this though and are only too willing to indulge my kinks, specifically because I'm clearly not the kind of guy who has to pay for any of it.
Also... rewards should be random / unpredictable. This is proven to lead to consistently better behaviour than formulaic rewards.
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she gets gifts and I get physical touch.
SEE, 5 LANGUAGES ROCK!
thenarrrowpath 9y ago
Its all these old school feminists trying to take mid 20th century data and clichés and apply it to 21st century problems.
You have 40% of American households today where the woman is the bread winner. And in the age of advanced technology house work has been dissolved to mere button pushing. Cloths, dishes, vacuuming are all accomplished at the push of a button. Even if our economy was like it was in the 1950s to where one parent could stay at home there would literally not be enough "chores" to keep somebody busy for 8 hours 5 days a week.
Overkillengine 9y ago
No, but they can keep a man already burdened with a 40 hr work week too busy to notice where and what (and whom) the hell his wife is doing.
skiff151 9y ago
Does everyone not just have a cleaner? It's like 20$ a week. Jesus.
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Chores => to sex. oh man what a sucker bet. The only thing chores will get you is tired. You will end up doing her chores and get blasted for not doing yours because you won't have time to get to them.
karpathian 9y ago
Just learn to "appreciate" their work more and they'll enjoy doing it, problem solved. Also when they're sore at the end of the day from it just do things like massage them since it also tends to make them horny as fuck.
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If your time is only as valuable as the return on maid duties, you need to reevaluate your life. And if you can't maintain your living space as you use it and instead leave it filthy like a teenager, you're worthless.
alvlear 9y ago
Yeah, let today's women listen to more advice from the one and only special Sheryl Sandberg. This is the SJW General who brought the world Lean In. In this book she literally espouses open, unabashed hypergamy. I paraphrase that she writes: "When you are in your 20s, date the bad boys, the crazy boys. When you approach your 30s, however, it is time to be serious and settle down with someone stable." LMAO. Alpha what? And Beta you know what.
In the same book, she mentions "studies," which show that companies with more women in leadership make more profits. I don't know why anyone needs a study for this when you can simply open up a basic stock tracker and prove otherwise.
As a bonus, the book has this tidbit. When she was pregnant, she had to park far from the entrance. She stormed into Zuckerberg's office literally crying and asking for special parking spots for pregnant women. She got them on the spot. The victim mentality is deep with this one, and she is number 2 at takeitinthefacebook -- a trendsetter in bluepill conditioning.
She seems to have followed her life rulebook to the letter. She rode the CC in DC, then moved to SF and tied down a BB. If you look at pictures of her and BB, you will notice her 1000 cock stare, and his mushy apologizing appearance. SMH.
This woman is a billionaire, and her husband just died of a heart attack. If a billionaire who can afford an army of maids -- and not even mexicans, American maids -- is advocating for choreplay, you can bet BB was lucky to even get some starfish every three months.
All that aside, this woman has unlimited resources and she is grieving her husband. She doesn't have a reliable perspective on how other people should be living, let alone advocate for choreplay. I don't think even the BP world is taking this seriously.
By the way, why is a great man like Bill Gates being dragged into this shit for by a bitch who has created nothing? Making 70 billion, giving 30 billion away, and then making it back to 70 billion isn't enough? He has to scrape the fettuccine into the trash too?
Damn, the decline is nigh!
human_enquirer 9y ago
Bill Gates is a good at being a business man but is a terrible human being. I hate the man so much but it would be unfair for me not to acknowledge his alpha attributes. A shame he's a billionaire, he'll live for at least a few more decades.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
There are lots of reasons behind this.
First, if you're doing traditionally female work, your woman is going to perceive you as feminine. That's not sexy. She may appreciate what you're doing for her and feel affection for you, but affection is what she feels for a child, her dog, or her favorite pair of shoes. Affection is not sexual attraction. In many cases, affection is an antagonist to sexual attraction.
Second, in situations where a man is doing the large majority of the traditionally female work, the woman is not usually jumping in and doing 99% the man work. Usually, the woman is being waited on like a princess and doing next to nothing. The only time a woman would allow that to happen would be if she doesn't respect the guy. Because who would allow somebody they respect to do all of the work while they sat on their ass? If a woman doesn't respect you, she doesn't want to fuck you -- the fact that you're doing her share of the work is a symptom, not the root problem.
Third, when a woman isn't doing the traditionally female work, she's being denied an opportunity to be feminine in the relationship. It's almost like you're rejecting her femininity. When she's not contributing her femininity to the relationship, she's not invested in the relationship. Which means she has no skin in the game. What's she lose if she leaves, cheats, or treats you like shit?
redpillbanana 9y ago
That's a good summary of the important points.
dongpal 9y ago
I work and my gf works, she even has a bit more things to do than me. How should I convince her that she also needs to do 100% of the chore?
logicalthinker1 9y ago
If you're both working then you should divvy it up. But do the manly chores. Yard and outdoor maintenance, car washing, car cleaning, etc.
Archwinger Endorsed Contributor 9y ago
I assume you pay the bills, maintain the finances, keep to a budget, plan your extracurricular activities, plot the direction forward for the two of you, move and fix and build shit, and bring the big-ass D for your girlfriend, right? You should barely have the spare time to cook, clean, and fold laundry. That's why she should be doing it. Because you're already doing your share.
dongpal 9y ago
the flat is really small so there is no manly work left. there is no garden or garage, therefore no " plumbing, wiring, home repairs, appliance installation and maintenance, fixing the car, mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters, moving heavy shit around in the garage"
hartke20g 9y ago
Then take the more masculine of what's left. Cook, and cook well; make the meal filling, robust, with nutritional value and not at all dainty. "Meat & potatoes" is the kind of stuff you should cook (and stuff you like). She can be in charge of dessert. And go start seasoning a steak the day before you cook it.
Still need something to do? Finances- own that domain. Get a ledger or make a spreadsheet that you can tally up costs in and use to make a budget- stay away from "just getting an app". You know who relies on apps? Women and lazy men.
Is she cleaning? Lift the couch/table so she can vacuum/sweep under it while you hold it up with the muscles you've grown from lifting weights.
Whatever you do, do it efficiently and with authority. Become proficient at it. Just stay away from the obviously feminine tasks: sewing, laundry, cleaning/dusting,
PantsonFire1234 9y ago
Do we really need an entire article dedicated to the fact that doing lame ass chores ain't gonna butter up your wife?
Cloughtower 9y ago
Totally agree. It's funny when people quote the 73 cents on the dollar statistic and ignore "unpaid work", which is just as valuable but isn't realized in dollars.
Accounting and contracting are actually traditional female roles as well. The wife balances the checkbook and is the one at home dealing with the contractors.
There's also something to be said for doing chores with the wife. Remember that scene in "Catch Me If You Can" when the parents are doing dishes together and laughing and singing and being physical? That guy definitely got laid that night.
That's different from a story I read on Reddit a few weeks ago. A girlfriend slapped her boyfriend on the ass and said "looking sexy" when he was doing the laundry. She said she believes in positive reinforcement. Turns out it was their roommate, not even the boyfriend. She had to overcome her revulsion to do something she perceived as positive reinforcement (sounds like training a dog to me!) to someone who wasn't even her boyfriend! She clearly didn't find the man sexy as she didn't even notice who it was!
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Conditional sex = whoring.
She didn't need housework to have sex with you when you first met her, and she doesn't now.
She's using passive aggression (withholding sex) to get resources (your time and effort). This is prostitution, and you're the beta bucks. Spin it any way you like in your own head, but this is the reality.
Sex should be unconditional. The second there are strings or conditions attached is the same second you start reducing your commitment.
Commitment for no sex leads to no respect.
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The men in my family mowed the lawn. You might not have had a lawn, or as large of one, but this being the man's chore is actually extremely common.
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Doing masculine things doesn't make me feel manly.
I am manly. Masculine things are just things I do.
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Weed-whacking, tree trimming, tree removal, shoveling, you name it ;)
They are masculine not because men claimed the right to them, but because women waived theirs.