Hey, I don't post on here but am a reader. Thought I should share a video I found on Youtube showing a married couple trying to save their marriage. Featuring Jordan Peterson who provides the couple advice.
Note - I respect and generally agree with Jordan Peterson on many issues however not in this instance, I disagree with the approach he takes, however, this is beside the point, the main focus is on the couple.
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Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j-iRNd3Xkk&feature=youtu.be
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o\_mR1pIbvoY&t=1s
Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kASYzKOjIYE&feature=youtu.be
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This video Is a good example of a marriage where the woman is not attracted to the man, and the man is trying to fix it. You can uncover a lot by what they say and by their body language and actions in response to phrases, this is made more interesting if you have basic red pill understanding.
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Part 1 - thoughts
- Couple married for 7 years
- Met in high school - Husband states they were high school best friends - Many of us know a large number of female - male friendships consist of a female needing attention, so she gets it from a male orbiter who has oneitis. This probably was the case here.
- Wife states they went their separate ways and did their "own thing" - Meaning she probably went and rode that carousel.
- Found each other on Facebook - When that wall came she remembers and finds her beta best friend from high school - he most probably still had feelings for her at this point.
- Asks her to go dinner - Ok, he definitely still had feelings for her.
- Wife says marriage turned into them being roommates - Maybe because your not actually attracted to him to begin with, but of course the husband does not help his case.
- Husband calls her best friend - Really man? No wonder she thinks of the marriage as being 'roommates'.
- Get into arguments
- Wife says she beats him down - Meaning shit tests and emotional manipulation.
- Husband says he feels underappreciated - As a man you have to provide that's your job, why do I have to say thanks?
- Woman displays fake sadness "Things have got to change, it makes me sad sorry" - Lets show them I'm trying.
- Woman has divorce papers printed out and man knows it - This is a sad situation to be honest. Man responds towards this by trying to work it out - which we know you cannot negotiate attraction. it's either there or it's not.
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Lastly, look at them sitting down at the end - when the camera zooms across their faces, notice the expressions. The wife looks calm , almost happy whereas the husband is visibly upset.
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Notice the way they are sitting, the wife has her hands strictly to her center whereas the husband, initially at least, has one hand on the side of the chair out towards his wife - perhaps to initiate holding hands - but this is declined by her keeping her hands at the center and locked, of course this explanation is not for sure - but is reasonable.
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Wife probably does want a divorce but is trying to work it out so she does not come across as the bad guy, and it is likely her only objective is just to remain friends so she wants to end or be on good terms. Interesting when she says;
"I don't want to be the stigma of going through divorce" also, "I know there is better out there, I just miss my best friend" , what does this mean?
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Part 2 - thoughts
The host (who admits was surprised by the divorce papers), asks the wife why she didn't sign them, she responds by saying there is "always that hope" - husband ever so slightly moves head in agreement, suggests he believes that too.
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When Jordan Peterson mentions them having the grounds of real friendship (a positive attribute he states) - The wife nods strongly and the husband too ever so slightly - this suggests that they agree with the claim.
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When Jordan Peterson mentions dates - Notice how the wife's face lights up and she looks at her husband - yay spend more money on me.
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When Jordan Peterson mentions distributing the duties in their life - Wife presses her lips - possibly suggests she does not like that idea.
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Peterson mentions "Don't agree to things you don't agree to" - In response to this statement the wife is nodding strongly - again this suggests she agrees with the statement, so is the husband but he is slightly nodding. Furthermore this is most probably a feature in their relationship suggested by her looking and saying 'uh-hum' at her husband and him saying "ah yeah" in a tone implying 'If only you knew' , and her responding by laughing.
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Peterson talks about agreeableness and that being too agreeable can cause resentment -
He states "you can tell if your doing that too much if you get resentful" - meaning the person being agreeable and not the other person involved.
It is interesting to see how both react in this instance - the wife raises her head and purses her lips nodding and did a slight head turn toward her husband's direction. The action suggests this is exactly how she is feeling. The husband also nods his head slightly and somewhat utters something under his breath. However this instance suggesting he understand what's been said.
This could mean that the wife heard the characteristics of an agreeable person and that it causes resentfulness - and heard or understood it as her husband causing resentfulness within her from his most likely agreeable behaviour.
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It could mean that the husband is being agreeable and because of this is very resentful of it - in her view at least.
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It could also mean she is agreeable and is very resentful of it.
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In any case given what has been said it is highly unlikely she is the agreeable person in the relationship considering she has already opened the avenue of divorce, therefore having the power over him.
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Part 3 - thoughts
I'll be looking at the whiteboard segment:
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Who should go first? Husband - "ladies first" - Such a gentleman lol
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Husband described as sweet and devoted - A recipe for a beta provider if you ask me.
Notice how she says "were my top four" and not 'are' - I may be going a little overboard but just an observation.
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Wife described as strong - I guess she is the dominant in the relationship.
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It is Pretty interesting both did four characteristics instead of one - maybe overcompensating?
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Lastly, the husband's words to his wife - "I love you, I miss you as my best friend" - "I want to do whatever it takes, to keep this" - "I just want my friend back" - followed by a little silence - wife scrapes an "I love you too" followed by an awkward chuckle. I am honestly lost for words by what I'm hearing.
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Final thoughts
I argue the main issue we see is a husband desperately trying to fix a marriage with a woman that is not attracted to him at all. He appeals to their friendship to win her over hoping it will create not only attraction or 'romance' (as the show states often) but an actual peaceable relationship which they had in the past, however, each time he performs a beta action such as that it turns her off and makes her resent him more; hence - the arguments - the beat downs and the divorce paper.
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The women could of had genuine attraction for this guy initially, this is unlikely however due to their past relationship in high school and how no sexual relationship grew out of it - on the other hand - the husband beforehand could of displayed alpha traits - possibly had lots of women or status - something that attracted her to him at the time they met on Facebook - but then lost when he fell back into beta traits and oneitis - put into overdrive in their marriage. However what is more likely is she hit the wall needed to find a provider or 'husband material' finds her 'best friend' or vice versa on Facebook- bingo! However beta oneitis behaviour makes her resent him, she can't take it. This is consistent with many other examples displayed on here and in other places as well it relates to red pill theory which strives to look at male-female social dynamics realistically.
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It's a sad situation, the husband is basically friend-zoning himself in his own marriage hoping it will save it, in response to a woman that is dominant and pressuring him with divorce papers. This is why knowledge such as red pill is so essential in these times. Sadly, Peterson's advice will not help as it involves negotiation, which will be hard if the wife doesn't want to or even respect the person . He also states that to re-establish romance initially you have to get physical to rekindle the relationship, however you cannot get attraction or desire this way.
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Update
Some more thoughts on the 1st part.
Wife says - "I know there is better out there, I just miss my best friend" - Could this mean she thinks there are better men out there compared to her husband? If so this is very manipulative, and suggests that she does not desire her husband as a partner (sexual) but as a friend (non-sexual).
She misses her best friend - What about your best friend do you miss?
The husband says "she was my best friend, we did everything together - we used to go camping - motorcycle rides ." - the word '**was '**signifies they are not on friendly terms or at least best friends.
Were activities like these the basis of their friendship? The wife says "we used to go on love dates and now its like we don't do anything together " - when analysing the other parts its evident the wife is very interested in bringing back going on dates. For example - in part 3 she says in response to the romantic absence impacting them, "If we start planning dates, you know, it will all just come back"
Husband also states they have different expectations of what they want from each other - "not even on the same page, or even in the same book sometimes so to speak"
It is a possibility that an or the main expectation of the wife is dates /going out and the main reason or a reason she got married to him in the first place this further evidenced by their friendship seemly spent doing activities - so she has come to expect it.
The husband most probably did these dates and other activities, hoping to receive respect, affection and desire - this is his expectation formed by lack of understanding of female nature- and possibly when not receiving it - stopped them - and now is met with backlash and resentment, further exacerbated by beta behaviour.
Going back to the original phrase "I know there is better out there, I just miss my best friend" - It is possible that the wife wants to keep the marriage alive for the friendship aspect which she has come to expect is dates, which most likely involves money spent on her. It is possible she did not have an attraction for her husband going into marriage but an attraction for what her husband can do for her so to speak - and things such as divorce papers are devices to bring him back into line. It is also likely that she does not have much dating options outside her marriage so opts to stay in the marriage but only on her terms.
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Of course this is not exact more evidence would be needed but is considered speculation.
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shawndamanyay 5y ago
Modern media paints men in such a terrible light. There is no way I'd trust the media with my relationship.
Also I'm greatly disturbed when women excuse their "affairs". There is no excuse for an affair. Ever. Period. I don't care if you got married and never went out to eat, on vacation, or if you are forever ignored..... Be straight up... Not sneaky.
DoveHunts 5y ago
She wants an alpha to pin her down and fuck her hard. This dude is beta out the ass. She has hit the wall and is rethinking about the resources he can offer. He need to get into the gym.
OhhDatDogOMine 5y ago
Late to the party but what JP said in this video is just generic relationship advice, you can literally find the same advice on reddit. JP is just using his image, he can say anything and his fanboys will gush all over him. Just look at the comments on that video.
Anybody who believes in marriage being "an equal partnership" instantly loses their credibility to anyone aware of inter-sexual dynamics. For all of human history women have supplicated men. Do you really think we had it wrong for all those years until now?? Marriage is a disaster these days, people just believe in the fallacy that something is better because it's new (hence all the "it's 201x people!" comments.)
aidscancerebola 5y ago
such a long post. j peterson in this format is saying that marriage is immutable and if we as a society treat it like dating, then it might as well be dating
cupshadow 5y ago
The real reason why Peterson thinks this is a fine situation is because the same happened to him, except he continues to be married.
His wife was a childhood friend who denied a relationship with him in the beginning. She only accepted him in her epiphany phase.
Simply put, don't take advice from him about intersexual dynamics.
RealMcGonzo 5y ago
Thought it was interesting that Oz asked him to basically beg her to stay together, but didn't ask her to say anything. I wonder if he actually did ask her during the show and they removed it since it went so poorly.
Regardless, those four "nice guy" traits she listed - that's the KoD - practically saying LJBF right there.
Always remember, you cannot negotiate desire.
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Leaves4Good 5y ago
The things is, it's not even about her at all. It's about him. It's all his fault that he is still sitting there hoping that this ugly woman comes back or whatever. He's so beta it's cringeworthy. And shame on JBP for making it look like they are trying to 'work it out' when it's obvious she's just enjoying the fame.
RedPill-BlackLotus 5y ago
"Just sayin" is a faggots way of removing the responsibility from their words.
I agree with everything else. All people age like shit if they party and they liked to bike around and party.
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1 - She's an HB3 for her age. Why even put yourself through this?
2 - Why the fuck are people still marrying each other? Marriage is the #1 possible financial, social, and mental deathtrap for any male who wants a fulfilling, successful life.
piggiebiggie 5y ago
Redpill is good for getting good at the game, JBP is good for learning how to overcome it and engage in marriage in equal partnership. The latter involves some leaps of faith, but therein lies the beauty of it imo
RiskyRewarder 5y ago
Wtf, lift, lose 50 pounds and he'll have someone better by the end of the year
friendandadvisor 5y ago
If he wasnt so beta he could have better by the end of the show.
Warrior_King02 5y ago
Good post. Just a few other things I want to point out in the whiteboard segment. When Peterson explains what each individual has written on the whiteboard saying that it's good blah blah blah, he says things which both nod to. When he says "Clearly you like each other" the husband nods but the wife doesn't. It might seem like something small but these sorts of things register in our mind. When someone says something that we don't agree on, we tend to give off body language that says we don't agree with it which is displayed through the wife. Even in the end when the husband takes her hand, she takes it in a manner of "There's an audience watching me, I better act like I want this marriage to last" if that makes sense. It just didn't feel genuine. That is a very inaccurate statement of saying it didn't feel genuine just by eyeing an action but it's just my observation.
200BUCKS 5y ago
Thanks bro, yea that is a good point man - you're right, the context is also important, especially because their in front of an audience - this may affect actions. I have been reading about body language recently and suggest this book; "What Every Body Is Saying: An Ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed-Reading People" by Joe Navarro - I just started reading it and so far its been insightful.
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jonpe87 5y ago
Imagine if in the end the guy say: "You know what ,lets give this relationship a time. I will go out fuck some pussy, our marriage sucks, and you are too fat." Marriage saved.
DntPnicIGotThis 5y ago
A lot of comments shifting on the woman but the man owns much of these problems especially if we go strictly by the sidebar. Don't look like he been lifting and his confidence is wayyyy down.
WinjetRed 5y ago
Did not watch, just going off what was written. It seems like he's appealing to her through what's important to him not her. Probably done this the whole relationship. He's speaking his love language to her and she is speaking a completely different one and they are both wondering why the fuck don't they understand me. To make any LTR a success you have to understand what the others love language is. Sounds like he wants a friend and she wants a fucking husband!
Also, it sounds like buddy needs to do something fun with her. If her face is lighting up at the mention of a date that's huge indicator he isn't doing shit. Take that girl the fuck out. Now I'm not saying spend money but show her some fun. Show her he can move around a group of people. Dates do not have to be expensive.
SlimShauny 5y ago
Great analysis. The portion on love and the resentment it creates reminded me of a lecture by one of the great minds of our time, Alan Watts.
https://youtu.be/n7CXhRdo5Ss
"None of us, in our heart of hearts, respect love which is not freely given." i.e. Transactional love, buying your partner out in hopes of manufacturing attraction. This creates resentment both on the giver and the receiver's end, as the receiver knows this is happening and doesn't respect it, and the giver still expects the love in return.
It's a characteristic of relationships with dominant female partners to inadvertently create a "mother/son dynamic", as Watts points out, which stems from being coerced to love your mother as a child. The husband, in this scenario, is convincing himself he still wants his wife, when in actuality, it's this false sense of needing to keep on loving. In return, he expects a mother's unconditional love. An interesting perspective.
200BUCKS 5y ago
Interesting man, I'll check it out.
RedPill-BlackLotus 5y ago
I love allan watts.
The only woman that will ever love you is your mother. Every other woman wants something from you.
After reading that part in the rational male about a females love being opportunistic I realized I could never really love a woman again. Its different now and I like it better. Its grounded in reality.
SlimShauny 5y ago
There’s a fundamental flaw in using the word “love” both to describe familial bonds and romantic attraction the same.
I could never love a woman like I love my mother, and a woman could never love me like she loves her son.
This is, personally and I believe for many others, the most difficult thing about the dating game to come to terms with. It’s a slap in the face when you first have to swallow that pill, but then again, “Love” is what you make it. You can still apply RP theory in relationship with a woman who you objectively see fit to raise your children with, and that is clearly loyal to you, but it’s never guaranteed that she won’t find a better opportunity and leave you in the dust if you fail to captivate her.
All the more reason to better yourself to the point of outcome independence
TruthSeekingPerson 5y ago
When men want to marry their best friend I feel as if they are lacking female validation from their own mother and are seeking that unconditional love from their wife. I feel like if marriage is going to work the man has to be self-grounded because the wife shouldn't be required to validate him. Children need validation from others, adults shouldn't.
Howdoiusesync 5y ago
Yeah man you're actually right on this. I have friend who was a child of a teen mom, who she was still living her live even after having the kid(going out, traveling, and doing the CC.) He turned out to be one of those guys who let their love become so cheap that it's almost sad. He met some girl and she moved in with him after 6ish months or so, that was about a year ago. Mind you, they're getting married in a couple of month down the road.
Adeus_Ayrton 5y ago
LOL if the dude actually pulled himself together, he could pull much better, much younger women and be all the more happy about it. He's ruining himself smh
billsmashole 5y ago
She is gross looking, good luck in the dating scene.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Yeah, she's a spook; kinda reminds me of Wendy from Breaking Bad.
SuperCrazy07 5y ago
Holy Shit. This is an excellent example of how “Lift” alone doesn’t cut it.
While chubby, this guy clearly is more attractive than his girl. But, because he radiates pathetic she still doesn’t want to fuck him.
Deapluv 5y ago
There is more to lifting than the physical results.
Fulp_Piction 5y ago
Game will always trump muscles.
scissor_me_timbers00 5y ago
Yes true. But both together is slayer.
SKRedPill 5y ago
Virtually all of a woman's attraction is based on respecting her man. And respect only flows up. I just had a story come in of a guy who married a feminist Ivy League graduate. He can't keep up with her ambition and need to live the high life (high money, high spend, high accumulate). She in turn doesn't respect him a bit. In objective terms he's actually pretty successful himself, but she's making like 3x more money, is in top management already. He claims that now all that's keeping him there are the kids. The kids at least don't see him only in terms of money and status.
One thing unique to men is that for all the talk of ambitious masculine drive, men have considerably fewer needs than women. They might channelize most of their energy into achieving, but they might themselves just need nothing more than the basics. Therefore you'll always find men living a simpler existence as such if there's no need to waste energy on stuff they don't really need (this unfortunately comes at the cost of some amount of SMV and a large amount of RMV).
So you have the husband here wondering why his wife never sees the concept of enough, while she can't respect him because he's beneath her.
This incompatibility aside, Hypergamy only looks upward alright. The moment where the thought comes in a woman's mind that her man is beneath her, the relationship has begun a course to it's inevitable doom.
In the case of this video, that guy still has more SMV than his wife, and yet doesn't get it that emotions cannot be logically generated.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Fuck it. If she leaves him he might get some alimony, or at least cancel out most of his child support. I used to bang a divorced cougar that worked in finance (no kids), and she paid her ex husband alimony. I laughed for a good two minutes when she told me. She didn't find it as funny for some reason.
SKRedPill 5y ago
If she thought he was an unattractive beta before, imagine how low he must be in her eyes when she has to pay him alimony.
MarcosDomingues 5y ago
There was a recent popular TV show in my country, where people could join in and volunteer to get married to a complete stranger.
It was such a shit show. All the women who volunteered were, without exception, single-mothers. Most of the guys were betas who couldn't get women irl.
It's also interesting to see that, when the couples saw each other for the first time, the guy would react positively and smile, while the woman looked at him with utter-disgust.
There was a pattern in all those relationships: woman furiosly hates beta husband -> husband tries to solve things -> relationship counselours think it must be just a "communication" problem -> husband communicates, tries to negotiate attraction-> woman doesn't care, throws insults at him, pin points random things he did in the past that pissed her off
This is proof that relationship counselours have no business giving couple advice, period.
Compeliminator 5y ago
yet another great comment on this thread
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KeffirLime 5y ago
This video is precisely why Peterson and the Red Pill are incongruent.
Advising intimacy and negotiating attraction, while offering no advice pertaining to the fact that he's betafied himself into oblivion.
He's let his weight go, he's needy, he's supplicating, has zero abundance, she even confesses to treating him like shit and he tolerates it like a puppy, she's more than likely fucking brad from office too.
What he should be doing is retracting, showing interest in other women, dreading the shit out of her, and be entirely willing to walk.
Peterson offers some useful self improvement advice for men, but when it comes to intersexual dynamics, him and the Red Pill are worlds apart.
BluepillProfessor 5y ago
This is exactly the kind of guy who needs Married Red Pill. JP ignores the precise realities you identify. You can see how this marriage counseling thing works. This is what they do! They ignore Red Pill truths and then say huh, 80% of our clients are worse after seeing us. We must be doing something right!
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
BINGO.
JP shows his colors when you look at the small details. He accepts a premise that can't possibly be true.
He's the last bastion of hope for your lingering blue pill tendancies. Maybe, just maybe, there's hope for that fairy tale after-all.
He's controlled opposition. Talking the fringe into getting back into the rat race.
finizzle 5y ago
Even though Peterson operates within a Blue Pill frame, he still sees a ton of backlash and attempted censorship from the radical left and feminist SJW's for even attempting to get men to self-improve and break away from the Matrix. If he had operated from a Red Pill frame, he would not have been able to get his name out there at all. Instead, he would have been censored to oblivion long ago.
Jordan Peterson has a place for turning the most blue-pilled and lazy of men into something. He is a useful bridge between blue-pill conditioning and the red pill, so we should be thankful for his efforts. I would never have swallowed the red pill without him.
corganmusic 5y ago
Well said! u/luckyluke23 hit on it too, he's dated one woman his whole life. Being naturally gifted in 'sticking up for himself' for lack of a better term, he never needed to develop skills that we're here for.
Jordan has helped me a lot in creating meaning in my life, and I'd be letting myself (and him) down if I stopped learning at his teachings
Luckyluke23 5y ago
this is true. but it's hard for someone to do this when they have been with there high school sweetheart all their life.
RedPill-BlackLotus 5y ago
That woman isn't even fucking a broomstick. Yuck.
indra_sword_rises 5y ago
Why do women hate oneitis behaviour?
cupshadow 5y ago
Read the sidebar.
KeffirLime 5y ago
Read the post I just made.
adonis_syche 5y ago
I did really put myself in Peterson's shoes this time. Maybe you can't talk about redpill prescription on live television even if you would want to. Not really a red pill thing even, any donut-brained person can see through the beta-ness of this man, and how is it a problem for them. But then again, if you're known for telling things with "brutal honesty", might as well live upto that reputation than be a generic marriage counsellor.
ChrimsonChin988 5y ago
You can say anything you want, you just might not get featured ever again..
KeffirLime 5y ago
Precisely why he isn't Red Pilled, he's dedicated to keep his speak within an acceptable Blue Pill spectrum, or at least within the Overton Window.
Whereas if they had Rollo on there for instance, he would have laid it out like it is, which is why we endorse him.
alecesne 5y ago
Look at that studio audience. I’m astounded that they even entertained Peterson for a show like this-
plxxx 5y ago
If I were him I’ll be like “you want to leave me? Go right ahead.” I’d go gym get into shape and probably have a decent chance getting someone way better looking than that old crow.
tempolaca 5y ago
And she will leave him. The thing is, this only works if you don't love the girl, and if you don't love the girl, then you dont have any problem because probably you initiated the divorce. If your girl is divorcing you, then you are in trouble because that means you love her more, and you cannot threaten her to leave, not realistically.
TRP don't work if you love the girl.
Pezotecom 5y ago
I don't think you understand TRP or love very well.
RedPill-BlackLotus 5y ago
I think it's easier for a red pill man if his wife comes to him with a divorce. We know you cant negotiate desire. It would just be an "ok let's do this shit ". Its liberating to know what doesn't work.
plxxx 5y ago
Right now she will probably leave him anyway and even if she doesn’t what’s the point of staying in a loveless marriage? She doesn’t love him. Women will only love and be loyal to your power and the strongest position of power is to be able to willingly walk away.
theislander849 5y ago
You can love the girl and still have the balls to do what's objectively the correct move.
RedUtopia 5y ago
I agree with you..
How does this have upvotes? This sub is shifting..
TheRedPike 5y ago
As a reminder and notice to our returning visitors and new members, we don't discuss Jordan Peterson here. We don't debate his ideas. We don't wave our dicks at each other over our opinion of him. This is largely because the wave of threads we have had to purge because they were absolutely full of people waving their dicks at each other over their opinions of him.
This I'm leaving up because it is discusses the content of a video and shares an analysis of something that actually happened. In other words, if JP is a character in the play, that might be ok. If he's the reason for the play, it's not ok.
Peter-Eruptions will be dealt with ruthlessly. They have been the second largest threat to quality in this sub. If you are interested in number one (in my opinion), check it out here.
pbar 5y ago
Girl says "I know there's better out there."
Guy just sits there, does not jump up and throw his chair. Or better yet, say, "Damn right there is, heh heh."
Hopeless, both of them.
Memeandmesomemore 5y ago
Yeah, she looks stunning in that white wedding dress with all of those crap tattoos up her arms. She's got them across her back/neck too.
Big red flags right there.
Gr0o0vy 5y ago
same like poisonous animals have sparkling colors ... red flags, prompting you to stay away from them
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Oh there's better out there. Just not for her.
HumptyDumptyFellHard 5y ago
This is a prime example of why a man should always love himself first before he can love someone else. If you love yourself and are confident, you will NOT have a problem leaving a bitch and finding a new one.
That woman is one ugly, old looking hag compared to him who with a bit more work can easily pull way more attractive chicks. Men age like wine while women age like milk.
He thought he found the “perfect” one and stopped improving myself. Or he wasn’t confident from the beginning and now he thinks she is the only one who will ever love him, so he is still holding on to hope. Pathetic.
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Also that dude is way better looking than her. He's no great catch but he looks middle aged and she looks like a grandma.
Fucking pathetic. Does she actually believe she'll do better? These women are so delusional.
RealMcGonzo 5y ago
Thing is, he's acting all beta. Sure, she's an old freak show and not going to score a better looking guy that treats her better. But the way he acts - the looks just do not compensate for horrible oneitus betatude.
the99percent1 5y ago
He will be so much better after the divorce. But it wont fix his head though. He will be a large whale for another woman.
rebuildingMyself 5y ago
She'll have his money and her "freedom" to at least try another round of the CC. There's zero incentive for her to keep her own family together
Ceeda 5y ago
Even HB 0/10 women are hypergamous.
RedPill-BlackLotus 5y ago
She was ok in a few of thoes old shots but she went full seadonkey on that poor man. Her face looks like a bowl of vanilla ice cream with a pube in it. Yuck.
I wouldn't fuck her with Ted Cruzes dick and Danny devito pushing.
Compeliminator 5y ago
thats freaking hilarious. im stealing that
Imperator_Red 5y ago
Yea I can't believe how fast she aged. WTF?
VickVaseline 5y ago
Agreed. She's a freak show. No kids are mentioned, so if I were him I would be already gone.
friendandadvisor 5y ago
Yeah, he could be pulling some good level sluts if he had any frame; she, otoh, would have to settle for pump and dump or bikers without teeth.
UcDat 5y ago
Meh they don't care as long as they get what they want typical fully matured western cunt eh.
warlordchad 5y ago
Based on what I've seen with my friends whose wives are considering divorce, they don't get it (not sure if we need to call them cunts, however--this is just who they are, no reason to be angry AWALT).
You can't negotiate attraction, that's true. But the problem for women who get married young (in their 20's) to a beta, is that the hamster thinks they can still land Chad, forgetting that they made a calculated decision NOT to continue riding the carousel.
I guess what I'll say to any guy in this situation is: get the fuck out. There is nothing worse than cow-towing to an irrational woman in perpetuity to save a marriage that probably shouldn't have happened in the first place.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
How to fix a dead bedroom marriage
Step 0. Lift, dont be a fat piece of shit. I don't care if she is fat or ugly, that isn't an excuse for you to be.
Step 1. Get finances in order, never give the woman access to your accounts. Ever. Have money tucked away and an exit plan available at all times. Better if she doesn't know about your investments. You need to actually be able to walk in order to properly play the game. Walking away is your trump card and it always wins if you have a gold exit strategy.
Step 2. Start saying no. Without emotion. When asked for something, just say no. Say it without explanation. You don't need to explain, you have free will and are a man. Don't be a dick or malicious, just say a simple no.
Step 3. Get her saying Yes to things. Not sexual things. Basic shit like go pick up X for you, order X off Amazon, get a normal back rub without a happy ending. Read up on Dale Carnegie "get them to say Yes 3 times in a row".
Step 4. Don't say Yes until behavior is corrected. Yes is reserved for women that behave like loving wives. Loving wives kiss you and suck your dick and whatever else you want in bed.
Step 5. Dread game and preselection. Other women should be talking about you. If the wife has friends, impress them, win them over. Make them want to bang you. You don't need to impress your wife, your SMV goes up from how she perceives other people responding to you.
Step 6. Leave subtle hints about other women being interested in you. Innocent and subtle. This can be as simple as texts, thankyou cards "thanks for lunch, hope to see you again soon xoxo", gifts addressed from other women , etc.
Step 7. Start over. Pretend she is some slut in a bar that you want to fuck. Approach, KINO, be Chad. If she turns you away, back off. The same as you would cold approaching. Go invest time where the are other women. Try again later.
Step 8. Black pill. If all else fails start banging other women. Don't hide it. No need to lie. Lying about sex is what women do, you aren't a woman. At this point your wife may not be recoverable, so this is the nuclear option. Have your exit plan ready, this will only work if all of the above steps have been done first, but it still has a high chance of ending the marriage.
corganmusic 5y ago
Man, this should be its own post. I'd enjoy reading more of your stuff
Compeliminator 5y ago
excellent advice. worthy of framing
thedaynos 5y ago
excellent top notch advice except for #6. leaving things around the house with xoxo on it or "gifts" is corny as hell. especially in a marriage? begging for divorce rape there.
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Spicychickenaholic 5y ago
I agree. I think step 2 needs some work though. Saying no has the practical effect you're looking for but what you're really looking to do is stop cooperating unconditionally with the (probably vain) hope of getting her to recognize what you actually offer in the relationship.
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SeasonedRP 5y ago
This a good example of why being friends with women is a bad idea, and aspiring beta orbiters on here should pay attention. If you are "best friends" with a woman and, against the odds, she later deigns to get in a relationship with you, your prize is being stuck with some harridan who neither respects nor is attracted to you. Whenever you hear a husband or boyfriend say "she's my best friend," that relationship has problems. And to JP fans, note his whiny high voice and how he frequently crosses his legs and leans forward a lot when he talks. The polite term for men like him is sissy. He clearly feels inferior to the all-powerful (in his mind) female and is trying to please her.
newuser1997 5y ago
totally agree with you there OP. the guy is a total beta. This is straight out of R&M "Big Trouble in Little Sanchez".
JP recommendation was not for that couple. It was some catch all advice. That guy needs to be called aside and slapped that beta-ness out of him.
chadchadovsky 5y ago
Look at the guys face, he looks like an out of shape viking. If he lost some weight, took care of his hair and stuff... I think he could be in top5 % just lookswise for his age group. Wife on the other hand aged for like 20 years in the last 5.
Imagine dude starts working on himself, in 3 years he could have some deadly SMV... Wife, on the other hand will be a 2-3 by then.
Shame he is such a beta, probably beyond redemption. And I love me some JBP but obviously, his advice sucks here. Hit the gym, show bitch that other women want you === BEM marriage solved(although why on earth would you try for this whale)
RPLawyer 5y ago
JBP can be a really great tool to fix your life when you're at the bottom of the barrel thinking about killing yourself. But when your room is clean, literally and figuratively, his advice is going to fuck up your prospect at the sex life you want to have. He's purple pill at best.
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I honestly think Peterson is overplaying his hand. Don't get me wrong - the man is fantastic, has a lot of smart ideas and speaks powerful and meaningful truths, I think I've heard everything he has to say. In this case, however, he literally said nothing of value, just regurgitated some BS for the cameras. Its obvious to anyone that she is so addicted to the cock carousel that she HAS to go back. She is also fucking deluded, thinks she can monkey branch to one of the alphas she fucked before she met this beta. She might come back to him in another 20 years but he is not getting her back now. How is this not obvious!
Iceklimber 5y ago
Does 'Murica actually have TV segments of only three and a half minutes length?
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Eldudearino89 5y ago
What the fuck is this woman thinking. Broski should just move on.
MCFiletMignon 5y ago
What a clusterfuck.
Doesn't look like she wants to fuck him at all.
Which might be right cause he strikes me as if he were a gay man.
512165381 5y ago
Peterson is giving up on social media. Maybe he has a tv program?? He is still a professor on leave. He did clinical psychology for decades.
jenovajunkie 5y ago
You gave an in-depth analysis, don't over think it.
She seems like she has her mind made up, she's entered their marriage into a game.
She just wants to see how much she is willing to get out of him in change I think. They both don't seem sincere, she's calculating something, look how long it took to say something back at the end.
She talks like she doesn't care, he talks like he really wants her. They either shut the fuck up and do the work or they split.
Now they are going to argue, and Peterson says to not to agree to anything you're not comfortable with. Yet he also says people are shit negotiators. But, pay attention, he finally says that when someone agrees to something that they don't like, they become resentful. So they have work to do, or they fail. If someone deliberately negates in bad faith, they going to ruin it.
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200BUCKS 5y ago
Cheers for the feedback
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Raknith 5y ago
What a trainwreck. You can smell what is going on here from a mile away. This man is literally on the verge of tears in this entire scene. However I am confused on why the wife is staying with him, and even willing to go on this show?
SeasonedRP 5y ago
Validation. To let the whole world see how much this poor sap wants her.
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stmodestus 5y ago
Why?
piggiebiggie 5y ago
Your analysis jumps to conclusions and you do a SHITTON of unwarranted mind-reading man. Check out a book on cognitive behavioural therapy or sth cuz you seem salty and angry as fuck. I suggest this in good faith (Jonathan Haidt's 'Coddling of the American Mind') has some good shit in it for you
200BUCKS 5y ago
Thanks for the feedback man - I'll check it out, I've recently been looking and reading about body language and suggest a book by Joe navarro - called what everybody's saying.
What about my piece makes it seem I am angry and salty?- is it my style of writing maybe in some places?