Guys around here debate endlessly about a woman's n-count, but what's the use? You will never be able to definitively prove that she is telling you the truth if she claims that her partner count is low.
The allure of utilizing the n-count as a barometer of LTR stability is obvious: it's a simple statistic that men can use to instantly qualify or disqualify a woman from commitment. To some extent, academic research backs the use of n-count as a qualifier, because a high number of sexual partners is correlated with future infidelity and relationship instability.
Of course, women are keenly aware that a tumultuous sexual history is perceived as a major liability for future commitment, while a low n-count is seen as a major asset. The solution? Simply lie.
Indeed, a study found that half of respondents (both men and women) had lied to a partner about sexual history. But a growing mountain of evidence suggests that sexual surveys themselves are unreliable, as people are reluctant to admit socially unacceptable behavior to researchers. When one study led participants to believe that they are hooked to a lie detector, the results conformed with RP truths: women downplayed their number, while men inflated it.
I suspect based on the collective experience of men on this sub that the true rate of 'sexual history revisionism' is far higher than currently believed.
"Okay," you say, "but I met my LTR from my extended social circle. I know her sexual history." But do you? The fact is, you only truly know the number of real boyfriends - the men whose existence is public knowledge. You do not know (and will never know) how many guys she fucked while away on vacation, study abroad, or work trips. You will never know how many times she snuck out for a ONS with a hot Tinder date, away from the prying eyes of her roommates and friends. Those incidents are flushed down Orwell's memory hole, forever erased.
Obsession with n-count among RP guys highlights a recurring problem in the community - the fallacy of using RP truths to obtain Blue Pill ideals. Nowhere is this more evident than in the search for the elusive Quality Woman™, a mythical creature free of hypergamistic tendencies.
In reality, the search for the Quality Woman™ represents a guy's unconscious longing to return to a Blue Pill state...a fantasy world where he can insulate himself from competition anxiety in the sexual marketplace, ensconced in the safety and security that his loyal, low n-count woman affords him.
The real solution, as we constantly advocate, is to watch what a woman does and not what she says. Blind faith in her supposed n-count is no substitute for observant vetting of actions. A man who has fully internalized TRP will have the savvy to discern which women genuinely desire and want him above other men - regardless of events that took place in an unknowable past.
And even then, risk and uncertainty can never be eliminated entirely...only managed and minimized.
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In response for requests for sources, here are two citations. There is a fairly large body of literature to support the arguments that I make here, so anyone who wants to investigate further can easily do so:
lie detector study: Fisher & Alexander, 2003, Journal of Sex Research
high partner count/infidelity: National Survey of Family Growth
playingpoodles 5y ago
Okay you Western men even if you think you are red pill have 'INTERNALISED THE AGGRESSOR'S VIEWPOINT'. The dichotomy is virgin/non virgin, and after that the dichotomy is 'had a child by another man/only had a child by me'. Both these dichotomies are very important. With 'virgin/only had a child by me' the ideal obtainable only to a small minority of Western men.
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If she's non-virgin, child by other man, and that's all you can get, I guess you have to go for it, better if she's 30+ only had one child by another man and you are a legitimate opportunity for her to have a lifelong relationship. If she's 20-30 with kids by another man I think you're nuts to take her on. If she's (legally, ie. you're the same age as her and not committing a sex-crime by dating her under 18) 16-20ish had one or more prior sex but no kids, give her a shot, after you get plenty of years with her and a kid she'll probably be invested. But just beware she could fuck you in the future from your perspective without warning.
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A virgin is unnatainable for most men in the West, maybe everywhere. You have a kid with her and don't go unemployed and crazy and there's plenty of chance she'll fuck you over in the future - just much lower than any of the other categories above.
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Good luck.
Spurius85 5y ago
"...a simple
statistic(concrete visible fact) that men can use to instantly qualify or disqualify a woman from (possible) commitment."It's called a hymen boys. I've only ever seen pictures, but I hear they used to be quite common!
punchyson 5y ago
I have a somewhat fatalistic view of this.
In our modern wold in America if you are in your late 20s or older, you are dating whores if they are good looking, went to college and had some fun in their early 20s.
You can either accept that she has sucked a lot of dick that she doesn't count and work with what you have or let it turn you into a MGTOW.
Your goal as a TRP man should become the man she wants to fuck urgently. We can't negotiate desire. The upside to the female's ability to be completely fluid about their definition of sex is that if you are her Chad her n-count doesn't really matter. Personally what I care about is a pattern of cheating.
What these surveys are trying to say is that if a woman has fucked 20 men, she won't be faithful. She won't be faithful to the Beta who ends up with her post-wall. She's had too much good dick. Your job is to be that guy, the one she wants inside her 24/7. Good girls with everything going for them will fuck hardened criminals and make all kinds of excuses for them if the dick is good enough.
I know this is in the context of LTRs. Get fit, learn game and learn to fuck. We have it pretty good when you think about it.
TRPKid 5y ago
Red Flags. Know how to identify them. The more she has, the higher chance of X.
The less ticklish she is, red flag, the higher chance she's a hoe. The better kisser she is, red flag, the higher chance she's a hoe. And that's only 2.
TRP vets should have no problem with this at all, and by the time you are considering a LTR, you should be a vet. If you arn't, you already fucked up.
SexdictatorLucifer 5y ago
Perfect. Live in the moment. Pick up and fuck 20 women ONS, 10 of them will show you what genuine desire looks like. Then you know. If you're with a woman after that, keep her genuine desire for you alive. As long as you have that, her past doesn't matter. Her past will affect how hard it is to maintain that desire. When it fades, you already know there are plenty more who will have it within a 4 hour window.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
Google "my kid looks like my ex".
If this is true (and it probably is), what is paternity?
You do a paternity test, OK, some of the genes examined are the same as yours, so according to the science and the law the kid is yours.
How about those other genes? Science says they come from the mother. How about only 80% comes from the mother and 20% from her ex-boyfriend?
That would explain, why virgins are so valuable. All those religions coming from the middle east, they were "close to the true and only god", they knew the deal.
On the other hand... suppose my son is 50% my genes, 25% ex wife genes, 25% her ex boyfriend(s) genes.
Does that make him worse, does that make me a looser somehow?
What if he could contract some genetic disease but due to his mother being a filthy cum sucking whore in high school he'll be all-right?
Women are hard-wired to some behaviours world-wide and this means something. Scarcity is common in nature. Animals have their breeding seasons. Men ejaculate millions of sperm cells every time and there are actually no season-imposed limits on our sexual activities.
Of course, I know the research about LTRs and n-count, I saw some documentary showing where and how Asa Akira lives today... I can imagine broken women and I guess I've dated a low-n count girls, the difference was obvious, especially in those a bit older than me (a generation older).
Worrying about what's the bitch doing, who's the bitch dating, how many guys she fucked... thanks, mate. I'd rather NOT get into situations where that would matter for me, never ever. Having kids with woman is not one of such situations for me. There are other ways to measure if a woman is good enough... and there are other ways of living than investing your most valuable resources into a broad.
M1lf_Hunter69 5y ago
This is not how genetic inheritance works at all.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
I’ve been taught how it supposedly works in med school
Now google “my kid looks like my ex” and find that one paper where they identified male dna in csf from a woman
M1lf_Hunter69 5y ago
So based off one paper vs. hundreds of years of scientific experimentation and thousands of research papers and studies using alleles and many different model organisms from different evolutionary paths and finding that genetic inheritance is universal in which dna is passed from parents to offspring, you expect me to throw away conventional thought and believe that males who cum inside women will inevitably mix their genes with future unsuspecting men who father children for the aforementioned women. Have I mentioned that sperm can only survive for 5 days maximum in side of a woman? Have I also mentioned that only one sperm can inseminate one ovum at any given time in human being without resulting in defects? Look man, all you need is compelling evidence using methods that can be repeated by others and those same people finding extremely similar results. If your hypothesis is true then ill believe you. Science at the core of it all is really that simple.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
It's even worse. I'm basing this on my own personal belief, on that feeling located somewhere in the back of my head.
And up to 72 hrs on a dead body.
But please note, I didn't wrote "sperm". They found male DNA in the CSF, not sperm cells.
I bet you've heard about "recombination of DNA", as they call it.
Not exactly.
People decide basing on emotions, not statistics and facts. Just like I do. Just like you do, you only choose to believe something else than me.
We would NOT need TRP if science was so simple at it's core.
There is no science. Science is not self-contained.
Science is people. Science is scientists.
If something does not fit narrative, it is shunned.
For example: flawed research in 70s led to increased carbohydrate consumption. Guy wanted to cure cardiovascular disease, found that "cholesterol is bad", people stop eating lard, cardiovascular disease skyrockets, WHO publishes food pyramid that is essentially soy boys. Probably not going to be ever corrected, because carbs is business and carbs is addiction, which means business.
Treating type 2 diabetes with insulin should be reserved only for live saving cases, all the other sick should get a boot in their fat arse and a diet. Unfortunately that's not gonna happen, because doctors need to make a living and fat assess like to hear it's going to be all right, as a result they're getting injections of an anabolic hormone to lower blood sugar. Want a low blood sugar? Stop delivering it. Not going to happen, because sugar is carbs and carbs is business. Look for the paper about sugar being a painkiller in children and its effects being removed by naloxone.
Science is people, people are flawed. Thus science is flawed. "Big" science, popular science, the science that all the scientist crave to be published in is as crooked as today's narrative.
Demiurge_Decline 5y ago
Very hard pill to swallow but I found it to be true. Thats why its hidden. Children are hybrids of every partner that has invested in the womb:(
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
This may be a blessing in disguise.
This is why I won’t ever try to control a woman. Let them suck dick as much as they need to.
What I’m gonna do instead? Focus on my stuff.
whoareyou31 5y ago
This has been one of the more insightful reads Ive had here lately. 10/10. Thank you for your contribution.
RcktDoctor 5y ago
It's very simple to tell when a woman is lying... Just look for her lips moving.
Whether lying to gain advantage and influence or lying out of ignorance and pride, it's still lying.
abudun79 5y ago
Seems like there's some hope and some rational thoughts left.
Thumbs up!
EDIT: Hehehe, seems like some people cannot handle the revelation that their believes are just that.
boy_named_su 5y ago
Girls have told me their ncount that was higher than what i would consider reasonable. Whether they were lying doesn't matter if what they say is above your threshold. Some girls are that dumb. Yoy can at least avoid those ones. Get the others real drunk to hear the truth
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TheYekke 5y ago
That is the approach for the average joe, any type of fame or celebrity status is a force multiplier: you seek them out versus they throw themselves at you. Go watch a Friday night HS football game and it will be apparent
TyroneTheDriver 5y ago
Consequently, what does TRP recommend for men who will be wanting to have children eventually? Obviously the vast majority of people here don’t value LTRs or marriage, so how do we propagate the race and raise better men if we do neither??
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markinsinz7 5y ago
Dude it's all fucked up anyway. Like by the end of first year uni these girls have at least 10 guys as an n count. You wouldn't know if she was lying or not. It doesn't even matter anymore. Literally assume almost every girl has atlas 20 throughout her life. And travelling/city/all those categories...damn they don't know what life is without sex at all.
Sex is an extremely normal and basic thing to these girls. Like the food you eat. Chad's dick is normal for them. We on the other hand suffer through a lot of issues. I don't like how there's some sense of justice porn here when they go "she'll hit the wall"
I promise u every woman will in the end find some guy - beta bitch or even Alpha Chad to marry that's just the game today.
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TRP isn't against marriage and LTR, and most of these guys will be in an LTR eventually. The recommended advice is to wait until you're older (30's), and as others have said, it's a calculated risk. TRP isn't even all that concerned with women, tbh. It's mostly about bettering yourself and living your own life how you see fit. Women are just an addition to that, whether it's a plate or an LTR, always maintain frame.
Thunderbird93 5y ago
I'm surprised nobody's said it but use a surrogate. Its abit expensive but genetically speaking you can even try calculate how the kid will turn out biologically(think height). Surrogacy doesn't get enough credit here on RP bro
p3n1x 5y ago
Don't get lazy, don't fall into unicorn land. Take care of the mother, fuck her properly. Have something on the side.
Most men who get cheated on are at fault at the home. What woman wants to take care of a Giant Baby along with kids?
Don't buy the stupid cargo shorts, baseball cap and flip flops with some shitty button down bowling shirt. Don't get fat and fart your way into a dirty divorce.
Plenty of solid mothers still exist.
We are in short supply of solid men though.
showerdudes9 5y ago
This, people complain about lack of decent women out there but theres a MUCH bigger lack of real, good men out there.
carrills 5y ago
Move to another country that still has conservative values. And don't think of bringing her back to the US/UK. You will be staying in that country for the long haul.
anonlymouse 5y ago
Analyse all the risks, including those specific to your area (local laws, trends in divorce settlements), and look how much of it can be influenced by you. Look at the reports of men who turned their failing marriages around, and apply that from the start.
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Rian_Stone 5y ago
Be in a position to command, not demand someone add value to your life.
What, you thought all that smv shut was just for plates?
[deleted] 5y ago
That first sentence is powerful and should resonate with any man who reads it. The second one I have to ask about though. What is "smv shut"... I know you meant shit, I just don't know what smv is.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
Shit, sexual market value shit
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Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Just accept that a LTR is a calculated risk.
Looking_4_Stacys_mom 5y ago
I like this attitude towards it. It can all go up in flames and end in divorce and legals, but if you love a woman that much and see a future, you have to take the risk. The reward can outweigh the consequences
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JustChopItOff 5y ago
What my father told me after he agreed to all the risks to marriage I outlined to him.
He had marriage on easy mode though living in a Muslim country where the government backs the father in divorce.
DONT_reply_with_THIS 5y ago
Yet even muslin men get cucked at the risk of death
p3n1x 5y ago
Great, so blue pill feminine men get the "dick pass" in Muslim courts? That doesn't really solve anything, it is the other extreme of the same issue.
randomTATRP 5y ago
True, but still better to be on the side that gets less repercussions. Wouldn't you if it was your case?
p3n1x 5y ago
Navigate mountains, never complain about their height. Everything cycles. There is no wining/fewer repercussions side in the first place. You are giving up many other great things to control a massive insecurity.
KeffirLime 5y ago
It’s not your duty to propogate the race and raise better men, unless you’ve set that goal for yourself.
In that case having kids, and raising them with the mother of that child is entirely possible without a religious driven signed document. My neighbor is going strong with two kids, no marriage.
By virtue of beeing with her and having a kid with her you are invested. It will come down to how well you manage that investment.
Which is why they say an LTR is TRP on hard mode.
HiggsBooze 5y ago
Considering that in the next 3 or 4 decades about 80% of jobs in developed world will get automated, IMHO, people should be paid NOT to follow their reproductive instincts; but I'm not anybody's mommy.
One of the few advantages in reproduction males have — is the ability to pursue quantity of offspring, instead of quality. So, regarding h. sapiens, when a woman owns a man's ass, by virtue of using her birth canal for something it evolved to do, there's really nothing stopping him from impregnating another woman. What are they gonna do? And he's already an indentured servant for 20+ years, this way at least he can get more for his buck.
Sure, such strategy may be difficult in some legal systems, or even impossible entirely, but there are plenty of others. Abundance mentality should be applied not just to women.
Just some loose thoughts.
-Fidelio- 5y ago
K vs. r selection strategy.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
I highly highly doubt this. Unless we have Fusion by then there are way too high of diminishing returns on a lot of automation. Jobs will change, they won't disappear. Welding didn't exist 200 years ago. Nor did electrical engineering. There will be new professions we haven't thought of. - Assuming we don't get fkd by the Western government collapsing because it learned nothing from Rome.
HiggsBooze 5y ago
Fission is cheap, reliable, clean and relatively safe compared to coal; the reason why West hadn't made the switch yet, is political, not economical or scientifical.
donkey_democrat 5y ago
Great idea, lets have the smarter people breed less while the dumb continue to breed exponentially more.
HiggsBooze 5y ago
It may be my fault, English is not my first language, but what I meant was exactly the opposite: we should stop the dumb from reproducing, because they will be useless resource drain. I'm just under the impression that the average member of this fine community thinks he's not part of that demography by virtue of being white, to which I reply with derisive laughter ;)
blessingandacurse1 5y ago
If the west doesnt reproduce they will be overtaken, violently or otherwise, by those that do.
It's a simple fact
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Western Civlization is pretty much screwed. The beginning of the end was women's suffrage. A lot of men are not equipped to take on the world, and even fewer women.
Nergaal 5y ago
Tell that to the >5 billions living outside the "Western world"
HiggsBooze 5y ago
Yeah, I should have thought that my views about reproduction will ruffle some feathers here, unlike a viable reproduction strategy I outlined. If you want to see how a conflict with a third world looks like, just watch any video from Syria; my favorite is one where some dumbass tries to shoot down a jet using 12.7 DshK and then receives what looks like a guided bomb in his face. Where exactly do you see the need for more manpower here?I specifically mention combat, because we've already seen humans being replaced here — A-26 Invader had to be manned by 3 people, but A-10, filling a similar role, had a crew of one; and that was 50 years ago. That's why most developed countries abolished conscription - they needed better educated soldiers, not more bodies to throw at the enemy (there are armies in NATO, where you essentially need a Bachelor’s to advance anywhere beyond private) — and those that didn't, kept it mostly for political reasons.
These days you see that everywhere you look - farming sector lost 90% of jobs in some countries, at the same time becoming more productive than ever; bank clerks were replaced by atms; driverless cars are a matter of maybe 15 years, tops; driverless trains are already a thing.
Sure, each change creates new jobs — but we're at point where these new jobs are in much smaller quantity and require much more skills; and where they can be dumbed down — they are in danger of being automated as well.
So I repeat my question: where do you see the need for more manpower?
sky_fallen 5y ago
I think you sort of answered your own question: there is a constant cry of more labour needed in the technical professions, and even propping this up with high-iq immigrants apparently isn't enough.
[deleted] 5y ago
I'm in an LTR 5+ year and I just tried to maintain frame as much as I can. I do want kids eventually but marriage will always be out of the question. And I frequently make that clear.
TyroneTheDriver 5y ago
Right, but if you stay with that woman long enough, have children, and cohabitants, be court can fuck you regardless can’t they?
[deleted] 5y ago
Check your state laws. And talk to an attorney if you want. We don't live together and we never have and we don't wear rings as if we were engaged. Having a kid would be a whole different story. Probably would be better if I adopted.
excaliboor 5y ago
You like raising other men's children?
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Whatever you want to think is fine with me.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
Yes and no. Part of this is risk tolerance and preparation.
Half the people here who repeat don't get married couldn't even tell you specific risks why...
TheYekke 5y ago
Tolerance for risk or blatant disregard? Having to always be at 100% alert isn’t my idea of a LTR.
Then again, not putting a ring on it does mean the only defense against her bailing is competition anxiety, or community-wide shunning if you somehow can isolate yourself from the current year.
one_eyed_zoro 5y ago
There is a difference between being on alert and being aware. Basically, dont get complacent. It's not about being on the defense, it's about staying in RP mindset. The only difference between a ONS and a LTR is duration and legal ramifications on separation. Be mindful of the risks and dont kid yourself when red flags appear.
p3n1x 5y ago
Then develop good habits and pay attention to your instincts. A lot of guys around here think that ignoring a chick 100% like she doesn't exist is being some kind of badass. No, tactically it makes you weak and an easier target. (yes, some guys know how to do it as game, but that takes time to learn and they are paying very close attention to other things)
TheYekke 5y ago
Game to what end? All the free sluts you can bang? Define your outcome
p3n1x 5y ago
A very well refined DGAF Dread Game. In my experience, it ends up being more work than satisfaction and it will never be sustainable for an LTR.
IMO if a man is constantly concerned about 'her' bailing and having to be on high 'alert', then that man has some self-security issues to work out before worrying about an LTR. That man isn't fit for a healthy relationship and will end up self defeating/sabotaging the whole thing. Most of AWALT is initiated by the man's behavior.
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p3n1x 5y ago
Brother, at 5+ years, you are married. It doesn't change just because you didn't go through some pageantry in front of people and a priest. A horse is a horse, you don't need a piece of paper to confirm it.
To yourself and TRP, she doesn't hear anything.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
maybe it's marriage to you, but it's NOT going to be marriage for her.
marriage to her means all of that pageantry PLUS THE RIGHTS to all your shit in-case of divorce or death.
she wants to show, but she also wants rights to your material possessions.
p3n1x 5y ago
So what? Why are you worried about her like that in the first place? Did you miss my comment about her being dismissive of him "making things clear"?
The reply was more about his mindset and to be conscious of state laws when it comes to living together for a certain period of time.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
the point: marriage means $$$ rights for women. calm.the.fuck.down. i give no shits about her... i don't know her. and i don't know you.
p3n1x 5y ago
put the blunt down .... and stop.texting.me
omega_dawg93 5y ago
texting you? you're on Reddit idiot.
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SnowMonkeyCracker 5y ago
Would a woman who has one serious relationship and one holiday "romance" per year be considered a slut? Probably not.
Would a woman who doesn't have a sex until she is 18 be considered a slut? Probably not.
So if a woman begins having two partners per year from the age of 18 her n-count of will exceed her age around 35.
Therefore the definition of n-count sluthood is very nebulous.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
It's not. If she can't keep a relationship going for more than a year, then she's obviously not fit for LTR. N count matters.
187oddfuture 5y ago
TLDR: you will never know her true number, and if she’s a power thot, she doesn’t even know either. With all of her hamstering and special exceptions (if I blow him it’s not sex, etc.), she simply loses track. The safe rule is to take her number and multiply it by three, but even that fails. Thots will do anything to secure a high value man, even if only for a night, so grossly lying about her number to appear as a “quality woman” is one of the first things she’ll do. Literally don’t even need to read this post, everything here has been said 100 times before.
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
Beginning to see the wisdom in the phrase
No hymen, no diamond,
rigbed 5y ago
Can’t wait to tell it to women’s faces
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
Expect to hear her shriek "Paaaatriarrrrrrrrrrrchyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Aggressive_Beta 5y ago
No diamond even if there is a hymen. Come on man.
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
From the phrase No hymen, no diamond, you are inferring that the converse is true. It is not. The hymen is necessary, but not sufficient. In fact, as most of us have realized here at TRP, that there's probably nothing that's sufficient to induce a smart man to marry in today's climate.
Aggressive_Beta 5y ago
No I’m not.
Not “probably” nothing, there is definitely nothing.
dr_warlock 5y ago
Who wants to have sex with a woman who has no experience besides a horny 14 year old boy? Had a fuckable girl who was 30 give terrible kisses like she's never done it before. Boner kill. Starfish sex and awkardness. Nah brah.
S-Blaze 5y ago
I wouldn't mind she'd learn fast.
TFWyourWaifuDies 5y ago
Would you rather a girl who learnt those things by getting creampied and deep throated and getting tossed around, or would you rather she learnt these things with you and in doing so becoming strongly pair bonded with you?
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If you looking for a long term relationship, you would be a fool to prefer a non-virgin.
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
It isn't practically feasible. Virgins don't exist except for in the most repressive of societies.
Best thing to do is let go of the idea that there unicorns and learn how to properly evaluate horses instead.
p3n1x 5y ago
If you are buying her diamonds, you have learned nothing at TRP.
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
You're not from the west, are you? The diamond is a metaphor for an engagement ring, i.e., do not marry a non-virgin. Probably shouldn't marry at all, see my other response on this thread.
p3n1x 5y ago
I understand. Marriage is not good in today's world, marrying a virgin is even worse. I stand by my comment, don't buy any diamonds in the first place for any reason (unless for yourself). She can buy her own ring if that piece of carbon means so much to her fantasy.
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
You are unfamiliar with the stats. Women initiate over 70% of all divorces. If a woman is a virgin at marriage, the marriage has an 80% chance of staying intact after 10 years. With just one sexual partner (for her, not for him) prior to marriage, that probability drops to around 53%. Each additional partner drops the probability of remaining married after 10 years, until you get to 16 partners (again, for her, not for him), which drops the probability to 20%.
Side note: when a wife makes more than 50% more than her husband, the probability of divorce jumps to 80%, i.e. she earns 60% or more of the household income.
p3n1x 5y ago
You can't live your life happily soley based on stats kid. I have real life experience, something you seem to be unfamiliar with.
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
"Kid??" I'm in my sixth decade, Sonny boy. And that's a really bad straw man argument/implication.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, but that is the way to bet. There is "real life experience" behind every one of those stats, and you can ignore and belittle them all your little heart desires - at your peril.
_TheRP 5y ago
Great post, particularly the longing to get to a blue pill ideal bit.
The reality of relationships is that, if you want one, you have to be constantly maintaining you to keep her attention. She has to know you have other options at any moment, and she has to know you are a dominant social force.
It's a lot of work.
Aggressive_Beta 5y ago
It's not useless at all. If a girl tells you her n count is 30 then you know she's instantly disqualified from being LTR material.
cafeitalia 5y ago
Asking women their n count is excessive beta behavior. They gain power knowing you care. Just don't fucking care!
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
Why even ask when thots tell their N counts themselves without asking??? Some women already are boasting of being whores.
smaffit 5y ago
Thank you for putting it so clearly and succinctly. I've been trying to have this debate on another thread and keep getting told all the ways I'm wrong. LTR is bp as fuck. Why does it matter? Enjoy the time you guys spend together and quit worrying about her number. Also, don't get into a LTR and there's nothing to worry about.
They keep trying to justify how n count is a good barometer and by me not caring that I'm a wk... Oh contraire, I know women's nature and choose to exploit it instead of change it. Women are sexual, and if you shame them for their count, guess who isn't getting on that list? You, my guy. You. So fuck it, have fun, run game, stay single. Have fun my dudes
freew33zy 5y ago
Just make sure your girl puts out for you ASAP. If she isn't a virgin, we already know she did it for Chad. If she didn't do it for you, you're not her Chad.
BowlOfCandy 5y ago
I respectfully disagree, you're framing it through a relative scale.
The n-count is an objective indicator of the pair bonding potential of a woman - it's a snapshot of accumulated behavior. A woman sleeping with you does not make you a Chad, you simply did the right monkey dance to make her feel that you were. If she fucks you ASAP it means she puts out easily - and so sex is probably the only thing she should get.
TheYekke 5y ago
Good point. It’s much easier to filter when the Chads set the rules of mating. Tits or GTFO works miracles with the about-to-hit-the-wall Carol that has to be disavowed off making rules.
quansau1 5y ago
That is an excellent point
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p3n1x 5y ago
This is some weak ego talking. If your frame is solid you will always steer the ship into your own waters and have full control.
Just because you don't start as chad doesn't mean you can't grow into the king.
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What is this adding to the conversation?
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My girl told me she was a virgin when we originally met, didn’t believe her, told her Idc how many people you been with, she insisted, told her girls love to lie bout that and I didn’t want to start a friendship with somebody based off lies about something I didn’t care about ..
She ended up being a actual virgin.
She said everybody she told she was a virgin after a couple months of talking gave up and ghosted her.
chickentikkamasala1 5y ago
Story of every virgin’s life
p3n1x 5y ago
If you can't tell a virgin when you meet one, then you need more experience or you were one yourself.
Why even waste your time with this bitchy attitude? You passed on pussy over this?
What? Obviously, you gave big shits about it.
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Brickles09 5y ago
Great advice, because when women are into you they basically beg for sex.
freew33zy 5y ago
You do not know how right you are. Quick story: I once stayed in for a Friday night instead of partying because I had a lot of homework to do. A plate hit me up, and I declined because I was busy. Long story short after some pleading on her part I agreed to let her come over if she didn't bother me while I finished working.
Like I said, I had a lot of homework. She waited in the corner of my room, silent, for 3 hours while I finished... then we fucked. To be honest I'm grateful to that girl because I was not a Chad when it happened, so being her Chad opened my eyes to what life as Chad is like. Make sure your girl thinks you're Chad--you really don't want anything else.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
A way to know this is easily how they view sex. The second a woman turns it into transactional or as a "reward" then begin finding a backup plan. For the right guy she will literally fuck him in a church parking lot. For the wrong guy she will do starfish sex once a month
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
I was with a girl whose count was 0. I was 18 and she was 16.
It only took me 3 days to go from completely innocent to anal pounding. At the time I was just doing what came naturally and didn't even think of it.
All women are the same for the right man.
Xzow 5y ago
some have a lot more 'right men' than others.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
It's good for attractive men that want easy sex without any responsibility tied to it.
Bad for western civilization as a whole...
excaliboor 5y ago
I don't think so. It's just a societal shit test: the feminine is doing it's selecting. Same as it naturally always does... nothing new under the sun.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Sort of. The female imperative will destroy western civilization. The same civilization that provides for every every material need beyond her ancestor's wildest dreams.
The problem is when women get too comfortable and all their material needs are met, their vagina tingles become the only thing that drive them. This turns them into a collective group that keeps shit-testing and never stops. The more affluent the woman is, the worse this is likely to be. All feminists are typically upper middle class white women, recently college educated asians have joined the ranks.
When a woman has all her material needs met, she has no natural force in life holding back her hypergamey that is constantly in a search for Chad. The problem is, the security of the whole civilization wasn't created by Chad. It was created by the provider-class of men, whom are very very very valuable to women when times are not prosperous.
CashedSX 5y ago
During the Bosnian war it was common for women to trade sex for 1 can of food. Without modern society catering to them they have nothing to offer but sex.
Atheist_Utopia 5y ago
No, at the time they weren't just providers, they were alpha-bucks. Modern civilization made the split possible between AF and BB. In ancient times, the only ones with tons of resources was chad himself.
good_guy_submitter 5y ago
Bullshit. Thomas Jefferson was not a Chad. George Washington was a scared and lying bitch for the first half of his life.
Founding Kings and clan leaders were chads sure. Women didnt fight back when Genghis Khan himself personally bedded them. But the people that inherited thrones were more often than not, little bitches.
Whisper 5y ago
Her N-count is the number of times she's been dumped, bro.
615bachelor 5y ago
I had a girl tell me her n count was 4 but later told me it was 8. Then later up to 10. You sill never know her true number . Whatever she says you will have to at least double it. All women lie when asked this question so it’s really no point in asking
blaine_freelance 5y ago
Who are all these guys getting laid that aren't me, what the fuck?
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J cole said it best. "She said she only fucked like four-five niggas, so you know you gotta multiply by 3"
-Fidelio- 5y ago
This is no accident; it wasn't 4 then 10 then 8, after all. Each was testing the water.
Cdsmasher 5y ago
Lol, I had one tell me it was "only 3", even though I never asked it. She just wanted to manipulate me into thinking she was LTR material. She was easily a 9 (I know, I know... I also think that most who state that are probably barely over 6. Let me just say she was a slim blonde Russian who constantly turned heads), so I did not really believe it. Anyway, at some point the talk about some "flings" opened up, so I asked her "I thought you just had 3?". She then replied, "those were the relationships, I had around 5 more that were just casual... * I think *"
Hamster hoes.
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615bachelor 5y ago
Yeah all women lie about this. We will never know the true number . Women lie to trick you into a LTR because they know if they said the true number we would be disgusted and just leave them as a plate . So she has to lie to manipulate you into thinking that she is a “good girl”. Every woman know deep down that men would fuck a hoe but we would never make them our main girl. It’s so easy for a women to get sex. I had to put in hard work to my partner count but Jenny from chemistry will have a body count of 10 guys in just one semester without even trying.
CashedSX 5y ago
My buddies girlfriend told him her ncount was over 40 LOL
Fulltilt_Ronny 5y ago
does one still have to double that number? or is this girl just honest?
i´d say, if a girl is that open about a number like that, its probably true because she obviously doesnt give a shit.
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It only matters if you're looking to commit to someone.
Ananonguy88 5y ago
"The real solution, as we constantly advocate, is to watch what a woman does and not what she says."
So fucking this, every time, in every situtaion, not only n-count issue.
When you apply this women suddenly becaome easy and transparent. Like they are selling me bullshit, I don't even let them know I see it as bullshit, just pretend to buy it and wait for their actions to confirm it or disprove it. I've learned to partially turn off my brain on female speech at all, and instead I've became highly observant.
Does miracles wen applied to screening people.
CopperFox3c 5y ago
Using n-count to vet women under normal circumstances is fine. The problem is that in the currrent modern West, the situation is such that a low n-count is no longer an indicator of feminine virtue or quality.
Why? Because women in this day and age are encouraged to live that "Sex and the City" lifestyle, sex-positive sleep around hookup attitude, with no consequences, socially or otherwise. Yes there are exceptions, like girls who grow up in super religious households, but that is no longer the norm. Once you disconnect consequences from the behavior, then positive or negative behavior ceases to mean anything.
To put it in simple terms: Since all women are now encouraged to sleep around in the modern West, it no longer is a reliable indicator of female quality.
TrenGod37 5y ago
The woman I talk about in my previous posts (they are all hypocrites part 1-2)
She lost her virginity to her husband (who she’s still with(. Her N count has been one for 27 years.
And if you read the post you will tell pretty quick she is by no means a quality woman. In fact she is probably at 8 by now... and she’s still with the dude she lost her virginity to
Dominimus 5y ago
Do you have stats on this? Last health survey I saw for US indicated young people are ironically having fewer partners than beforeand waiting slightly longer for the “1st time,” but are indeed more sexually adventurous and accepting of others sexuality than previous generations.
p3n1x 5y ago
Absolutely useless. How do you prove a male has had sex?
Sometimes the "eye test" is more powerful than a survey that people lie on.
Maybe it is my location, but in Tropical U.S., 20 to 29 year old chicks are trying to act like some fantasy man when it comes to their "harem" of dicks. They have their orbiters and they know it. They have their sugar daddies, and they know it. Last, they have that "one" cock they like the most.
The only health survey that matters is "age" and "venereal diseases"
Deezdtho 5y ago
FDR podcast showed truth on sex. Her kill count is the marker. Also, whether or not she's on the early side of twenty. If not, its Netflix and chill.
Come @ me during best year's or not at all.
fuckedupintentions 5y ago
TLDR: Women who tell you there n-count try to convince you with their past instead of making effort in the present. Also the psychological act of knowing low body counts and predicting the same behavior in the future is unscientific
This is some really underrated advice for men who consider a LTR. N-count tells you nothing about the woman‘s loyalty tendencies. Even if she really and truthfully only was with let’s say two men before you there’s two good reasons to still not completely trust her commitment.
First of all she clearly only tells you this to appear more trustworthy. She wants to be viewed as a modest and loyal woman. This might have the upside, that she clearly wants to appeal to you. But still she tries to convince you with her past instead her present actions. For me this always looks like she’s too lazy/ uncommitted to prove herself with her actions.
Secondly and more importantly you have absolutely zero proof, that this behavior will last in the future. I’ve been studying philosophy and part of that studies was a several courses in logic and cognition. Predicting the future from past events is simply false. It’s just unreliable. You can NEVER safely predict the future from what happened in the past that’s purely a scientific rule. Even if you fuck a virgin who seems super committed, you can never know if she won’t fuck Chad the next time she goes partying.
Stop giving a fuck about body counts. Don’t even ask. And if a potential partner for a LTR tells you hers without you asking, that’s a big warning sign.
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pablosito 5y ago
So I’ve had a talk about this awhile back wth a female friend of mine who is a bit of a hoe and us admitted to lying to men about her n count and even seeing them exclusively. Anyway she (in the same convo) complained that she couldn’t get men to commit. And I told her, “look you girls get creepdar. That thing that ticks in your head at some point when you’re with a guy to get away that’s YOUR built in system. Us guys? We have hoedar. It’s a thing that goes off in our head that tells us this chick isn’t worth the squeeze so even if you think your lies are fool proof there’s still gonna be that little tick for us. Solution? Stop being s hoe.”
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
Good point. Will use that in the future.
angeltruck 5y ago
Do you think the emphasis on female sexual history is linked to the element in which you have to be concerned on whether potential offspring are yours or do you think it's mainly a socio-cultural phenomenon?
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robbiss 5y ago
You want to know...trust me...she did it behind your back and trying pass it off as yours
j_arbuckle2012 5y ago
This is the worst kind of betrayal.
Get your paternity tests done.
subaruguy14 5y ago
Agreed, N Count as a barometer seems to directly conflict with AWALT.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
you do not understand what AWALT means.
subaruguy14 5y ago
Oh but I do. Follow the logic. Men have thought of N count as a way to sort the hoes from the wife's, but forget two key things: women lie about it, and it doesn't mean she's not a hoe, awalt.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
All people lie. However there are certain tells which could give you insight if she's telling the truth or not. Because some women wet honest about their n count.
subaruguy14 5y ago
It's the difference between a half full/half empty mentality, I prefer to assume the worst and work backwards.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
Yes, but that still doesn't mean she is lying. Once again, it's better to use other stuff in accordance and then decide if she's telling the truth or not. One can never be 100 percent sure but 95 percent is good enough.
Thunderbird93 5y ago
I dont know man. Chicks fucking multiple dudes used to bother me but now I see it as slut shaming. Something that rarely gets mentioned here is using a surrogate for kids and retaining full custody,its a serious win and a way to get out of the LTR seeking mentality.
-Fidelio- 5y ago
While what you say is not wrong, there is one thing that you're forgetting; just like in court, it's valuable to get a statement about something. It's hard to keep up lies over a long time. Of course a woman will lie about her n-count; to you, to herself. The degree to which any particular woman will lie does differentiate and is worth discovering.
carrills 5y ago
My ex-wife lied about her n-count. She could tell a high n-count was something I would not approve of allowing into an ltr, so she molded herself into an almost virginal n count of 1. Her family, social group, only knew of that one guy. It wasn't until much later than I found out her n count was much higher, in her mind only that one guy "counted," the others were, "mistakes." You can imagine the shock of finding out years later that your girl was fucking a 50 year old married man at the age of 17 among other things.
In the end I will never know her true n count.
playingpoodles 5y ago
Why would anyone believe their girlfriend/boyfriend's statements about sexual history? I don't think our grandfather's did. Good luck brother.
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420KUSHBUSH 5y ago
I would ask what else she did, however, ignorance is bliss
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robbiss 5y ago
That had to sting...everyone knew but you...you're the outsider.
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p3n1x 5y ago
You should get your attitude with older men in order sooner than later. We have the money, the maturity, the materials and most of all the experience. Who do you think your little unicorn is fucking on the side? Chad who has no way to be discrete and keep it quiet, or the King that can take her anywhere for the weekend while you think she is on some retreat with her "friends"?
TritiFabrica 5y ago
The fact that you call yourself a 'king' because you are able to pull some young bitches with beta-buxxing shows how much of a pathetic cuck you are and also how much sensitive you are with your age.
His unicorn is fucking a 20yo-30yo 6'2'' Chad not a disgusting grandpa like you who spends his nights watching NFL games. You know who the women you fuck would rather to fuck? Those motherfucking NFL chads you watch on TV pops and the only reason you pull is money,but money do not cover raw sexual attraction.
edit2 lmao 'the king' what a pathetic nobody
p3n1x 5y ago
Yeah, no chick on the planet would want to fuck an older, more mature athlete with money?
I'll let you sniff my underwear if it means that much to you.
TritiFabrica 5y ago
'an older, more mature athlete with money' you have never been an athlete and the term 'athlete' is not what you think pops. An athlete is not a fucking nobody who uses his personal treadmill while watching the Kardashian show,you are athletic but sure as fuck nowhere close to an A T H L E T E. An athlete is someone on a peak physical condition who fights against other people in peak physical condition to win in his sport,he is someone who has been training for years upon years (excluding those with RAW talent who managed to achieve in a very little time,for example Anthony Joshua [2012 Olympic Gold Medalist in less than 5 years training]) to achieve. You are not,neither have been anywhere close to that.
p3n1x 5y ago
Finished your temper tantrum?
FindTheBus 5y ago
You guys have way more to lose. I'd consider fixing your attitude when it comes to younger men.
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Thunderbird93 5y ago
Cold but too true. Do you end up being jaded and seeing these hoes as gold diggers? Instagram's finest hoes seem like such gold diggers, shit reminds me to focus on cash bruh. #M.O.B
p3n1x 5y ago
Jaded? No. That is like hating water for being wet.
Many of them are attracted to more than the money. They enjoy the idea of being "in the bubble" of maturity. No hang ups, low drama and once you show them what sex can really be like, why would they want 25-year-old douchebag chad?
TritiFabrica 5y ago
Βecause Chad has a 9 inches dick,is taller than your old ass,can keep a non-drug induced erection,doesnt run out of breath from drinking water and can give his sit on bus to pops like you. Your hamstering mindset is hilarious because the fact that you can use money to get sex doesn't make you any less of a loser,you are no more different than a guy using prostitutes and if you weren't that much of a loser you would know that women do not give a fuck about money or stability when they feel raw sexual attraction.
Literally the moment a wealthy Francisco Lachowski comes your way your expendable old disgusting ass along with your cataract,presbyopia and arthritis (your best friends) is forgotten and you stay alone with your micropenis to masturbate to hot latinas on pornhub.
p3n1x 5y ago
Or I took care of myself and I am in shape.
The only hamster here is the one you are projecting.
How many of these 80yr olds are you losing your women to?
TritiFabrica 5y ago
No matter how much in shape you are,and it is amazing that you are in shape while you are middle-aged (not a lot of men,starting from 40yo are willing to put the work you put and that is something highly respectable of you),aging won't just give you a free pass. There are several health conditions that you are (and probably right now experience) going to have to deal with that have nothing to do with how much cardio or lifting you do. When you reach an age where people feel obliged to give you their sit on the bus it is over. Yes you can still get sex from younger women but even the most hideous incel-like midget could get sex using money and there is no difference between what you do and what someone who pays prostitutes does. Betabux all the way,do you but don't try to convince yourself that money being equal there would be even ONE woman preferring you to Nick Bateman for example. The moment a Chad with enough money comes you are forgotten and you will not experience the raw attraction women have for Chad no matter how much you pull
p3n1x 5y ago
Maybe this is where people/you miss the point. It isn't about "Buying", but showing that you have your shit together. You don't have to spend that money on them. People can smell your success, they can see it on your frame. The way you walk, talk and take action. Being secure with yourself is vital. It makes you something people want to gravitate too, including your GF.
You should really drop the viagra & buying a prostitute act. Not all young women are gold diggers, they are simply enjoying life and having multiple experiences.
It is just my turn, who cares? Besides, young dudes usually make terrible Doms. Screw chad though, she might move on to the professor from the athlete from the musician (unless you are all of those)
lol, successful men don't ride the bus, we own them.
What mature solid man would take a woman to some young persons hang out in the first place?
I'm trying to understand your resistance, but much of what you are saying is coming of as severily insecure. FYI, Chad does not have an age.
Westernhagen 5y ago
Let me tell you something about being in your 50s. (It is good news for you, because someday you will be in your 50s.) When you are in your 50s, your height and dick size will be the same as when you are in your 20s. If you were tall and had a big dick then, you will be tall and have a big dick in your 50s. These factors are not under your control at any age. As for being "out of breath" and unable to stand up, that is totally under your control. I can squat, dead, and bench MORE now than when I was in my 20s. If you're a broken-down old wreck, that's on you. I am certainly in better shape than my skinnyfat late 20s/early 30s coworkers.
If you "use money to get sex" in your 50s, you are doing it wrong. This is also under your control. It takes no more money to entertain a woman when you are 50-something than when you are 20-something. If she is a gold-digger, you next her.
There are some attractive young women who will reject you simply for being old. But there are some who won't. They are out there, all you have to do is find them.
TritiFabrica 5y ago
When people get older,it starts becoming more and more difficult to keep a solid posture,they also begin to somewhat shrink,which means that a 6 foot becomes 5'11 and with his posture appears 5'9. Also the younger generations are generally taller than the older ones (at least in the west) which means that statistically speaking a 6'2'' chad is taller than 96% 40+ y.o. white males in the west (excluding Scandinavia).
Do not forget the 80/20 rule. A Chad belongs in the top 20% genetics-wise (height,face,frame etc.) so the men women feel RAW sexual attraction towards are generally tall. A betabux pops can belong to the bottom 80% and as more than 80% of men in the USA are less than 6 feet most betabuxxing pops will be significantly shorter than a 6'2'' Chad.
Your dick size may remain the same but you won't be able to keep as strong erections without drugs (As a result you won't feel as hard) and of course a big dick is also a characteristic of a CHAD not a BETABUX so a betabux pops again statistically most probably belongs in the 6inches&less club,because a big dick is not a requirement to be in his position opposite to that of a chad.
Running out of breath has nothing to do with lifting weights except if you Squat 40lbs for 120 reps. It has to do with Cardio but although you surely can have more stamina than your younger self if you had never worked out then and you do now,your stamina is nowhere close to that of a chad who can pound her for one hour straight.
I can't really imagine what other qualities other than the 'money' and 'stability' the betabux pops talked about a 40yo+ could offer that would make a woman choose him over a younger guy and I would love to learn what those qualities could be. How could an older man entertain a woman that a younger man can't excluding money?
Westernhagen 5y ago
You're not 50, right? You should stop talking, because you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not shrinking - I am as tall as I was in my 30s - my posture is upright, and my erections are rock hard.
A Chad belongs in the top 20% genetics-wise (height,face,frame etc.) so the men women feel RAW sexual attraction towards are generally tall.
I was tall in my 20s, and I am tall now. But what if I wasn't? Should I just give up and climb into the box? No. What you should do if you are in your 50s and you are not tall is the same as if you are in your 20s and not tall: learn game.
a big dick is also a characteristic of a CHAD not a BETABUX so a betabux pops again statistically most probably belongs in the 6inches&less club,
WTF are you even talking about here? You don't have to have a big dick to be CHAD no matter what age you are. And there are plenty of BETABUX guys in the world with huge dicks. Your dick size is not something you can change, and it has no bearing on your status as CHAD or CHUMP.
Running out of breath has nothing to do with lifting weights
You obviously don't go to the gym. High intensity training that improves aerobic fitness can absolutely be done while lifting weights to increase strength.
your stamina is nowhere close to that of a chad who can pound her for one hour straight.
In your 50s, you can absolutely have the stamina to pound a woman for as long as necessary to make her come.
I can't really imagine what other qualities other than the 'money' and 'stability' the betabux pops talked about a 40yo+ could offer that would make a woman choose him over a younger guy and I would love to learn what those qualities could be. How could an older man entertain a woman that a younger man can't excluding money?
Look, first of all, yes, when you are in your 40s or 50s, she might dump you for a younger guy. But she might also dump you for a guy in his 20s if you are a guy in your 20s. Whether you are 25 or 55, "it's just your turn" still applies. And just like when you are 25, when you are 55, and your turn is over, you move on to the next one. There's always a next one! If you wanted to wife up that 20-something for some stupid reason, you might have a problem, but if you only want plates then you're fine.
The qualities you require to spin plates are exactly the same when you are in your 50s as when you are in your 20s. If you are in your 50s and your "game" to get young women is to fly them to Paris and pay off their student loans, OK, that works for you. In my experience you don't have to do anything like that.
Girls in their 20s do not want your money. They want to have fun. You know who wants your money? Women in their 30s and 40s who want you to pay for the kids they want to have or already have. In other words, women you don't want to deal with anyway. Or at least, you only want to deal with them until they figure out you're not going to marry them and pay for their demon-spawn.
Look on all this as a good news story, my friend. Your life will not end when you hit 40 or 50!
Mercury1245 5y ago
Jesus christ dude stop the cope. 50 years old?!??!
No right minded 20 something or teen girl will want a 50 y/o.
deeselecter 5y ago
Like in business past results ain't shit but thats about all you got. Thats why pedos have to go through all that after jail cos its known that those things hardly changes, believe me once they go through that path. They could or would do it again. Women who has been like that psyche to do sex as a recreation or just what they do like food. Wall conditions life situations might pull it back but its always there like an addiction to be triggered.
Lastly I think its blue pilled to ask a woman ur intimate or about to be intimate with what her count is cos she would lie depending on how she wants to present herself to you. You will make her feel smart or slick . you can ask a girl you chilling with as part of a fun conversation while you feign an honest dude . Keep her guessing what she thinks you know. let the hamster run. If you have the experience and you red pilled you would intuitively know what category she belongs by her speech and actions . I tell u the truth if a men leave emotions and feeling aside no woman has our ability to see through bullshit .Men would not survive on this planet without a superior form of intuition and guile, we only lose it when we catch feelings. Peace
MrCarepig 5y ago
What options do we have as men for having a kid in this day and age?
MadSparty 5y ago
I'm trying to figure it out too, brother. I want 5-10 children and finding a quality girl in my age bracket (mid 20s) is tough because I only come in contact with career chasers and dick riders. Just had to soft next an 18 year old plate I've been with because she pulled the "let's just be friends card". I definitely pushed too much heavy shit at her regarding Red Pill Truths about the world. It's rough for aspiring fathers here.
MrCarepig 5y ago
Yeah i wonder why we arent talking more about this subject, i guess it takes a village to keep a woman loyal.
moreinhoe 5y ago
Here's another angle for this principle. My highest quality plate at the moment (I don't LTR) has a very high n count (20-30). Now I'm her Chad, and I can tell that she has a genuine desire for me above other men, because I have conducted myself in congruence with TRP principles.
I cannot confirm if this is true but she says she doesn't wanna be with anyone else at the moment. It's been 7 months and we're as intimate as ever. So using n-count to vet is almost useless, yes.
Further, her high n count is a bonus in one small way. She's a sex goddess skill level 1000.
iLLprincipLeS 5y ago
It’s time to stop beating around the bush: feminists want to be raped.
It’s the only logical explanation for how they behave. It’s the only way to understand why they can cheer on hordes of Muslim “refugees” swarming into Europe to rape and pillage. It’s the only way to comprehend why they can whip themselves up into a frenzy over masculine men meeting up for a beer and smearing them as leading “pro-rape rallies.” Everything feminists do, from holding up “Refugees Welcome” signs at airports to passing affirmative consent laws, is geared around encouraging men to assault them.
This isn’t a conscious urge. No feminist wakes up in the morning and thinks to herself, “I’m gonna try and get raped today!” There’s no Protocols of the Elders of Seneca Falls laying out a secret plot to turn females into walking fuckdolls for rapist men.
But deep in the recesses of her lizard hindbrain, the average feminist wants nothing more than for a man to shove her into a wall and force himself deep inside her.
Here are the reasons why feminists want to be sexually assaulted, and why they’re working around the clock to aid rapists.
The conflict between leftism (of which feminism is a subset) and conservatism is the conflict between r and K. K-selected individuals want a world that encourages competition and meritocracy, while r-selected individuals want a world of free resources: free food, free money, free shelter and free sex. In a K-selected world, men and girls have to compete to earn the right to mate with one another; in an r-selected world, men and girls have sex with no thought as to the consequences.
What does this have to do with feminism and rape? Simple: rape is the ultimate r-selected sexual strategy.
By its very definition, rape is an act of entitlement: forcing yourself on someone who doesn’t want to have sex with you, whom you haven’t earned the right to sleep with. Much in the same way leftists feel entitled to take other peoples’ money away through taxation and welfare, rapists feel entitled to stick their penises in girls’ vaginas. In fact, you could say that rape is an inherently leftist form of sex, which would explain why so many male feminists, such as Jian Ghomeshi and Hugo Schwyzer, enjoy assaulting and abusing girls.
Sexual assault is sexual socialism: redistributing nookie to the least privileged in society.
Feminists, being leftists, are r-strategists themselves. The purpose of feminism is to eliminate restrictions on female sexuality: allow girls to sleep around without getting pregnant, let them legally kill their unborn babies when they do get knocked up, and have it all funded by the taxpayer. From an r-strategist’s perspective, rape is a good thing, because it allows a female to have children without having to do anything, aside from breathe.
It’s well-known that a great many girls have rape fantasies, and a significant number of rape victims claim to have orgasmed during their assaults. Both these points serve as evidence that a portion of the female population—the r-selected, leftist portion—not only wants to be raped, but is physiologically adapted for it.
Once you accept the premise that feminists subconsciously desire to have their vaginal walls torn up by psychopathic men, their behavior suddenly makes sense. For example, feminists are unwilling to condemn the Muslim “refugees” who have been assaulting girls in Germany and other European countries (and indeed, have accused those who talk about the story of “racism” and/or “Islamophobia”) because they want those refugees to keep raping.
The Muslim “refugees” streaming into Europe from the Middle East are the consummate r-selected cowards. Instead of fighting for their families back home, they’re fleeing to safe countries where they can live off government benefits. Instead of being grateful that Europeans are willing to take them in, they throw temper tantrums because their Internet isn’t fast enough, their food isn’t tasty enough, or they don’t have enough to do, showing that they are parasites looking for someone to leech off of.
Muslims rape European girls for the same reason that they riot over slow WiFi: they believe they deserve to get something for nothing.
Some right-wing personalities have tried to explain the left’s embrace of Muslim “rapefugees” with such nebulous concepts as “pathological altruism,” but the reality is much bleaker. In the darkest recesses of their minds, feminists want swarthy refugees to punch them in the face, tear their clothes off, and spit roast them like plump, juicy swine. Don’t expect them to suddenly realize the truth, either, because…
In the past few years, even the slightest suggestion that girls have a responsibility for their own safety is met with a chorus of “MISOGYNIST!” “DON’T BLAME THE VICTIM!” The oft-repeated feminist chant, “Don’t teach women not to get raped, teach men to not rape,” is an explicit call for girls to place themselves into situations where they’re likely to get sexually assaulted, then dodge all blame.
While some feminists are no doubt doing this out of naivete, the subconscious motivator for many of them is their r-selected psychology. Personal responsibility is a K-strategist concept; in the rabbit warren, things just happen. By discouraging girls from protecting themselves, feminists are implicitly encouraging them to get violated, then pinning the blame on an undefinable “rape culture.” Which brings me to my next point…
As mentioned above, the worldwide leftist outrage against Roosh and the Return of Kings tribal meetups far outstripped their reaction to the Muslim gang rape attacks in Germany and Sweden during New Years’ Eve. This isn’t just because of hysteria and slander: r-selected leftists are more threatened by masculine men than by cowardly Muslim rapists.
One of the most laughable claims feminists make about game/red pill/PUA culture is that it encourages men to feel “entitled” to sex and female companionship. Even skimming a manosphere blog will show that this is the opposite of the truth. “Game” and “red pill” philosophy teaches men that they have to earn girls by improving themselves: lifting, dressing better, having interesting hobbies, and being entertaining conversationalists.
If a morbidly obese basement dweller came onto the Roosh V Forum and started whining about how he couldn’t get laid, he’d be laughed at and told to hit the gym and get a life.
The reason why there’s always been an overlap between the seemingly hedonistic manosphere and the more traditionalist alternative right is because both groups have the same view of sexual relationships: men and women need to earn the right to sleep with and marry each other. The end destinations may be different, but the road is the same.
Feminists oppose this because leftists oppose competition in general. Feminist obscurantism in regards to sexual relationships (e.g. their claims that the “friendzone” doesn’t exist or claiming that men just need to “treat women like human beings” if they want to get laid) is about stripping men of their ability to compete for a mate. Similarly, pushing “fat acceptance,” tattoos and piercings, and encouraging girls to be “bossy” and sarcastic is about crippling females’ ability to compete for men.
To make matters worse, feminists have been trying to train men to rape girls for years. Their constant claim that the West has a “rape culture” is just wishful thinking: in actuality, rape has been on the decline for decades. Because of this, feminists have tried to legislate masculinity away through “affirmative consent” and “yes means yes” laws, which force men to explicitly beg for permission at every step of a sexual encounter, branding them “rapists” if they don’t comply.
Affirmative consent laws and “rape culture” claims are a two-pronged attack on masculinity, designed to advantage sneaky males and hurt masculine men, and there’s no sneakier male than a rapist. Unfortunately, despite all the rape hoaxes the mainstream media conjures up, the “rape culture” that feminists screech about has yet to materialize. The UVA rape story, for example, turned out to be a lurid, masturbatory fantasy passed off as “news.”
Because feminists couldn’t create a rape culture, they imported one from the Middle East.
From here, all the pieces fall into place. We see clearly why the European Union is debating banning one man from their borders and libeling him as a “rape advocate,” while letting millions of actual Muslim rapists flood their countries. We see why leftists are driven to protest masculine men but not sneaky “refugee” cowards who abandon their families in search of government freebies and “easy” white women.
The goal of feminism is to turn women into rape-meat.
Every feminist, deep down, wants nothing more than a rapist’s baby in her belly. The armada of horny, restless, greedy Muslims storming into Europe is a bounty for the r-selected feminist. Leftists will wave “Refugees Welcome” signs no matter how many girls are forcibly DP’ed by angry Arab invaders, because Europe’s skyrocketing rape rates are a feature, not a bug.
The only thing that will stop the rape-lust of feminists and their poorly-endowed Muslim abusers is Western men having the courage to call it out. There can be no compromise, no peace with these traitors inside the walls. While more moderate women can be saved, no one will ever be able to convince the termagents of the left that they should be more afraid of Muslim rapists than white “racists.”
They are our enemies, just as much as the dusky hordes planting their flags on our soil.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
Hamstering is strong on this one
deeselecter 5y ago
Hey trp again a woman never has genuine desires .she can fool her hamster she does .the base line is you fulfill some idealized need at the moment. Take heed bro and remember the day you don't she go. Peace
DONT_reply_with_THIS 5y ago
She doesn't need to fuck 30 men to be a sex goddess level 1000. Being in a LTR for 5 years is a lot of sex if they're attracted to each other.
washington_breadstix 5y ago
Exactly. That's why I don't get the argument saying "You should want an experienced girl! She'll know how to fuck!!"
Bitch, learning how to fuck takes minutes. A girl being "bad at sex" is just her not wanting to fuck you as far as I'm concerned.
chickentikkamasala1 5y ago
Lmao at least someone understands it’s like the guy is bad at sex himself and has nothing to teach a woman
DownyGall 5y ago
100% of sex is natural and instinctual. You don’t need to learn it. That’s modern bullshit.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
nah, your comment is bullshit.
some goofy nerd who's never been with a woman won't know how to dominate her, put her in a place (mentally) where she feels 'taken,' OBSERVE her actions/reactions to certain stimuli, and most of all have the dick and the movement to hit those spots.
girls don't call-on guys that don't know what they're doing or need guidance on technique. girls brag about guys just like we brag about girls.
no one is born a good lover. and since no two partners are the same, being able to observe and respond verbally & non-verbally (both with confidence) = you know WTF you're doing. bringing stamina, rock hard erections, and skill brings it all together.
if it was simply natural and instinctual, chad wouldn't get as much pussy as he does.
ZekeTheOctopus 5y ago
That’s why y’all need to buy Pamela Meyers ‘Liespotting’ and research Paul Ekman’s work on micro expressions.
Telling when people are lying is relatively easy
Valenx_Ackerman 5y ago
I find the opposite situation extremely dangerous. Imagine a women who's been in a relationship from 17 to 23-24yo. She just rode 1 cock. At her age being a HB6 or more she've been tempted by alphas hundreds of times, alphas who she would've liked to fuck but she couldn't. Her friends are having fun "living life without attachments", her head is getting filled with "Sex and the city" and newage propaganda. Would you really trust this girl just because she's been fidel during those years? Because I'd say that she's hardly desiring what she've "lost during her prime years"... I find this topic a double edge standard. Of course you should discard or avoid for LTR those women who had tons of sexual partners, however this is a subjective counter. For a single man n-count being 10 at age 25 can be too much, but for other could be "normal", as for another one he can consider it even "rookie numbers". The point is that this number doesn't really matter unless you consider it too much. And those women who've had few sexual partners are even more dangerous in fidel terms than you can imagine, because unless they're orcs/trolls they can enjoy a wonderful variety of Chad cocks to ride by clicking their fingers.
Glenbert 5y ago
I can't tell you how common this was for women my age (40s). My own ex-wife was like this through high school and college and after. I was her second BF ever and (supposedly) her 3rd lay. Then after 5 years of marriage (no kids, thank God) she fucks a rando.
It happens a lot. Those studies are fucking worthless fap tissue. None of it is actual science.
The biggest thing you should come away from this sub with is outcome independence. Thats it. Today, I'm married to my second (younger) wife. Have 3 kids.
Could she cheat on me? Could she divorce me? Could she die of ovarian cancer slowly and admit to me that the kids aren't mine? Could she get hit by a bus? OK, I'll deal with it and move on... like a man.
Deal with shit like a man. Not some statistician faggot.
Valenx_Ackerman 5y ago
That's it, every woman (and man) is a different case. A low n-count does not guarantee fidelity, and a high n-count does not guarantee promiscuity. Dealing with every single situation as a man, as you said, is by far the best option.
Glenbert 5y ago
Exactly.
All things being equal, of course, go for the lower n-count girl. But things are NEVER equal.
This may be terrible advice, but I found that by getting my own n count up a bit, not too crazy, i naturally developed that confidence that most wometn like. Also lifting.
LotBuilder 5y ago
If you are trying to vet women, you have already lost. AWALT... all of them.
angeltruck 5y ago
Fundamentally, women are alike but there's still ranges of quality.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
quality is directly proportional to the lawyer representing her in divorce court.
the bi-polar stripper or "good, church" girl will both RAPE YOU RAW in divorce court.
if you're defining quality by n-count, that's directly proportional to the friction available in her vagina. don't count on it tho bc vinegar works and alum works even better.
LotBuilder 5y ago
True, but they will all go through a slutty phase it it can be before, during or after you. The longer the relationship the less likely you are to benefit from that phase.
p3n1x 5y ago
Absolutely wrong. You either set the bar for her mentally and physically or you don't. Don't have a bloop mentality just because there can always be someone better than you. It is an insecure thing to worry about and a waste of your time.
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LotBuilder 5y ago
Why bother? Catch her in her slutty phase, bang till your bored and move on. Unless you want kids and marriage, who cares what she did before you?
TheBadGoy 5y ago
Only someone living under a rock would still believe some women aren't having sex... I remember still being shocked when my 13 year old sister told me she was already making out with boys.
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TFWyourWaifuDies 5y ago
Yeah I'm sure girls who start experimenting at 13 will make great mothers for the next generation of boys and girls.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
define "making out."
to some, it's just kissing, touching, feeling, etc.
to others, it's doing EVERYTHING except PIV or PIA. PIM is ok tho.
gopnik_conscript 5y ago
Ok what is an n count? I've never heard of this until rently.
Thunderbird93 5y ago
Notch count, A.K.A how many people one has fucked
gopnik_conscript 5y ago
Thanks m8, it all makes sense now.
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jcrpta 5y ago
Don't sit exclusively on RP-type subreddits.
Look elsewhere, and you see trickle truths appearing. Girls admitting to being on Tinder for a couple of years, having 15 dates off it and 10 of them ending in sex.
Hell, my first LTR (we were in our late teens) she admitted to losing her virginity at about 14 - though had never had "full sex".
"Full sex", in her mind, meant "sex in which at least one of them has an orgasm".
Six months later, none of those previous encounters counted and she'd "lost her virginity to me".
That was my first indication that - as far as women are concerned - "sexual partners" is a fluid concept. It changes with whatever seems right at the time.
(And FWIW, her claim of never having had full sex basically means she'd had a whole bunch of 15-17 year old cocks inside her and none of them came.
Bull. Fucking. Shit.)
spegulo 5y ago
When n-count is discussed, I'm surprised that nobody ever brings up the published research on the subject.
Generally, surveys find an average of 14 lifetime partners for men, and 7 lifetime partners for women.
Of course, given that there are as many men as women, the averages should match. It is generally assumed that men are exaggerating, women are downplaying their count, or a bit of both. If a woman decides to exclude encounters during which there's no orgasm, then I'm sure that on the flip-side some men include encounters during which nothing actually happened cause they didn't have a condom, "but it could've happened".
So as far as I'm concerned, the true average is probably 10, men say 14, women say 7... I don't think it supports the idea that the typical women is drastically downplaying her number of partners.
FWIW, 99th percentile n-count according to these surveys is 110 for men and 50 for women. Even though there's few of these folks, inevitably they're wildly overrepresented among your past partners... same reason as why most of your fb friends have more friends then you. And of course I wouldn't be surprised if these outliers (both men and women) would lie to their partners about it.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180726161251.htm
jcrpta 5y ago
I wouldn’t pay too much attention to any of those surveys.
Every woman on the planet has a bunch of reasons why it “didn’t count”, and - this bit’s important - in her mind, those reasons are 100% valid, correct and result in a figure that is guaranteed accurate.
We shall gloss over the fact that depending on who she’s talking to means the number is going to vary massively. Her best friend she’s known since she was a teenager thinks it’s one number, her mum thinks it’s another number and her boyfriend thinks it’s something else.
Her reality is dictated not by how many penises she has encountered but by how many she feels is appropriate. It’s important to note that in her reality, the number she gives you right now is 100% accurate (after all, how much of a slut do you have to be to not know?!).
It might be totally different tomorrow and different again next week - not because she spent all night getting nailed but because she’s forgotten the formula she used today or decided to apply it differently. But it’s still right! It came back with a completely different number but it’s still right! And don’t you dare question it!
punchyson 5y ago
Surveys in general are complete bullshit. Most of the women who are doing all the fucking and sucking are very covert about it. The lie professionally about that part of their life.
As /u/omega_dawg93 put it, "sex" only counts when it was the right guy and he made her cum. A blowjob behind the dumpster at 3AM for a cute guy she grinded on all night will never make the N-count list.
playingpoodles 5y ago
You can't accurately survey sexual history - I believe both men and women in Western sex surveys UNDERRATE their number of sexual partners. And what about generations? My mother had sex with one man, my father, and possibly another on the sly although that's entirely conjencture, so 1-2. I've been way more of a slut than her, although unintedly so, as has my older sister. I'd say people 20 years younger than me are significantly more promiscuous than we were. You can't survey someone's sexual history properly - asking about their 'friends'' sexual histories will give more accurate responses, but even then it's questionable. Looking at non-lethal STD infection rates might be more useful - especially given MORE CONDOMS are used now, I'm not sure you could even buy them in the 1960s when my mother WASN'T having sex. More condoms should mean less non-lethal STDs like chlamydia, genital-cold-sores, etc - but I think infections have INCREASED.
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Anyway, yes it matters, there's not much we can do to stop OTHER PEOPLE to have sex, and you gotta do the best you can to get a wife if you're a man or a husband if you're a woman, or a same-sex partner if you're a gay man and I'm not even sure if the same rules apply there and frankly not too interested to explore it.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
not only will it not make the list, women have the ability to block those events from their memory.
if they don't talk about it, they don't feel about it... so it never happened. and when they give you a number, bjs are usually not included anyway.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
lol. maaaan, you can throw that survey in the trash.
a woman can give a handjob and kiss the tip of the dick and not call it sex... all the way to letting 3 guys fuck her up the ass, and as long as none of them cum inside her, "it didn't count."
"it didn't count," registers as THEIR truth and more importantly, THEY BELIEVE IT. that's why they can produce tears on command when you say you don't believe that they've only serviced 3 cocks.
i've got 3 sisters, and if you listen to them, they've had sex with less than 10 guys. that doesn't mean they haven't FUCKED 10 guys, made love to 15 guys, and only had "partial" sex where either he didn't cum, came in her ass, or there was no emotions involved with another 20 guys. then, there's JUST ORAL sex so those didn't count either. oh wait... then, there's all the sex where she was drunk/high so she, " wasn't into it," which means that doesn't count either.
here's the formula: multiply the number she gives you X 3... then add 7. that will get you close to her true number. women love to fuck and think about sex as much or more than you do.
Aggressive_Beta 5y ago
It's not cheating if he was wearing a condom right??
jcrpta 5y ago
The argument at the time was that she’d found every dick far too big to finish the job off.
Personally, I don’t believe that. Knowing what the average teenage boy is like, I think it’s far more likely that she had a good share of 2 pump chumps and had to invent a reason that explained why she barely registered there was a cock inside her before it was all over.
Aggressive_Beta 5y ago
Regardless if it was true or not, she sounds really stupid
jcrpta 5y ago
She was 17.
Don’t expect top-class philosophy discussion with 17 year olds.
(Though you can expect her to change her mind more often than her undergarments).
venerablebear 5y ago
Can you please reference the studies you mentioned in your post?
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
I did try to put in a sources list, but a bot removed my first post for outside links. Not sure of the correct format and I don't really care to spend time chasing something like that.
Everything that I referenced is easily accessible with a little research. These are not obscure studies.
venerablebear 5y ago
I appreciate your post and the energy you put into it and it would be a much more convincing post if you cited the research. You can cite easily using the author names, title and the conference or journal it was published in. No links necessary.
At the risk of seeming ungrateful, I don't want TRP to fall into the same "studies show" trap that many of our opponents fall into. We can be better than that and we should.
BoilingBleach 5y ago
I will just say thank god for your existence.
Lately I was starting to think this forum is full of guys trying to live back in the matrix
MEANMUTHAFUKA 5y ago
Excellent post - thank you for articulating
oooKenshiooo 5y ago
n-Count has a different value:
If she openly communicates about her n-count, without you getting that creepy hunch that she might be lying (you know the one), then she might be a more calculatable risk.
imtheoneimmortal 5y ago
What study?
I'm just curious for source
Nergaal 5y ago
You are wrong. A woman acknowledging she slept with 100 men is worse LTR material than one who slept with 100 men and downplayed it to 50. At least the latter has the awareness that her escapades are not to brag about. The latter might have better lying skills for something important, but at least she doesn't openly "take pride" in her sluttiness.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
she may not take pride in her sluttiness, but she'll almost always say, "i want things out in the open... total honesty in our relationship... so we can grow and move forward with a great, open, non-judgmental union."
my reply: "ok, let's start with how many dix have you serviced?"
that's when you'll get the biggest, juiciest fattest, lie you've ever heard... making her initial statement bogus and full of shit. SHE WANTS YOUR HONESTY... not for you to know HER HONESTY... bc "all those dix didn't count."
give me the girl who gives me her true number. at least you know the game you're getting into upfront with all duplicitous shit out of the way.
whores vs wives: "whores are more honest... plus they're cheaper in the long run."
washington_breadstix 5y ago
I'd rather have a slut be honest with me and tell me she's a slut so that I can move on from her as a LTR prospect.
187oddfuture 5y ago
Neither of them are LTR material. Wtf.
Glenbert 5y ago
100?
Most of the spergs here are looking for virgins. LOL.
Thunderbird93 5y ago
Honestly bro lets keep it 100. RP can sometimes slut shame. I lost my virginity to a stripper at 23,serious late bloomer shit. I personally kind of like sluts since I'm not looking to cuff AT ALL
seedster5 5y ago
I found one of these mythical creatures. I'm a frat boy and she was a sorority girl. She told me she was a virgin but i called b.s. over time we became close and voila got me a unicorn. Proposing in a few months
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supernaturalsecrets 5y ago
Let us know how it works out. The only unicorns I've ever encountered where in Muslim countries. Being an American, and a seasoned RP traveler, can't beat the ones over seas for unicorn status.
seedster5 5y ago
You're right on the money. She is Hispanic that grew up on good Catholic values. Her ex pressured her to lose it. He tried for 2 years before getting the boot. I was at a high point in my life and she saw how motivated i was. I had a lot of low points before I found trp. I was able to change my life completelt within the corse od a year. I didnt realize it at the time as I was too preoccupied on the short term goal. I graduated college at 28 and found a good paying job in 2 weeks. The really good girls can see what you're capable of before you can. But the shit tests and comfort tests will keep coming and i pass 80% of them. It's truly a battle. You never quite know with women, one day they can just turn on you. I keep that thought in the back of my head and keep doing what's best for me in the long term. I've seen too many guys fall head over heels only to get walked all over.
These girls exist. You just won't find them the easy way through tinder. I didn't have plates and basically went into monk mode for 2 years. Best decision I've ever made.
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seedster5 5y ago
" **• Women lie about rape if they regret having sex when it was consensual.
• Women lie about rape to cover up their infidelity.
• Women lie about rape if a man won't commit to a relationship after sex.
• Women lie about rape to prevent being perceived as sluts when their sexual behavior is brought to light.
• Women lie about rape to blackmail men for money or position.
• Women lie about rape to get rid of men at their school or workplace.
• Women lie about rape for leverage in family court.
• Women lie about rape to publicly ruin the reputations of men.
• Women lie about rape to indirectly brag about how desirable they are, the same reason they post Creepy PMs.
• Women lie about rape if they regret having sex when it was consensual.
• Women lie about rape for attention.
• Women lie about rape for revenge.
• Women lie about rape if caught in a sexual act that would cause shame or damage their reputation.
• Women lie about rape because doubting their claim is socially reprehensible and anti-feminist.
• Women lie about rape because they don't want to be held accountable for their actions.
• Women lie about rape for public validation and praise for being a "rape survivor".
• Women lie about rape because they'd likely get a slap on the wrist if they confessed or were caught lying about it.
• Women lie about rape if they regret having sex when it was consensual.
• Women lie about rape because the justice system tends to rule in their favor because they're women and by proxy, "victims".
If you consider the benefits of just a handful of these, you'd understand why false-rape accusations are so prevalent.**"
Jesus who hurt you. You spent a lot of time bashing women. I bet you're one of them incels I keep hearing about.
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seedster5 5y ago
"Last weekend I was dragged to a wedding I was thankful to attend. Invariably, weddings are dressed heavily in dogma of male servitude and this one was no exception. And so, I usually dread this up until the drinks start flowing and everyone drops the act so that their true selves make a short appearance for the night free from inhibition. The masks remain on their cheeks, but mostly off. As the need to maintain the facade fades, baseline impulses and desires come out.
For women, we already know what this means. The way we understand women becomes more apparent, but uniquely enough, the way we understand median men becomes equally more apparent. The divergence between the true nature of women, and the conditioning of men, becomes blatant.
At the table were some millennial couples, and let me tell you, we were blown away at just how "millennial" they were. The usual she's too good for me trope was out in full force, but what really hit me was a realization that struck to the very nerve that divides blue and red pill men, truly.
Ultimately, amorality follows from a full unplugging.
I realized that this group of men, all deeply blue pill, had a belief they were in fact good hearted men, with an edge. Even admitting so after some prodding. And then I had a painful reminder of a time of weakness where I had even once myself claimed this very same trope to myself, still very deep within the illusory truth we call blue pill conditioning. And remembered when I also steeped myself in self-deprecating humor and effigies to desexualize myself to present myself as harmless.
Suddenly it became clear, that this is the way a man can realize he still has a way to go in his journey, even if he believes he's made it far. It's certainly a marker of weak men, but also of men who have set real boundaries, understand the world around them and are well on their way to a full unplugging and embracing the true Hobbesian anarchy of the SMP, but still have some hangups.
The edge, can't be conceptual. It can't be potential. It's can't even be an edge. In fact, properly put, men must be monsters who are capable of extending kindness to a woman when it wants to, when she deserves it. Which is conceptually at an angle but intersects with the concept of "nice guy with an edge."
This concept is also expounded on in The "True Alpha" : On Male Virtue, where I tear apart a poster for virtue signaling this very phenomenon and trying to wrap it in a red flag. The short hand is that we get a nice look into a man that is a monster doing things monsters do, while the women he "victimizes" come back for more.
And so I offer you this black truth.
If you believe you are a good man, with an edge, you are most likely self-rationalizing your weakness. That you would ultimately concede as true if you sat in a room full of bastards and criminals. That you'd ration away was "not truly masculine" in our jargon (which I address at length on The "True Alpha" : On Male Virtue).
The truth of the matter is that it is a convenient cope, and that every median man feels the same way. While some of the weakest men proclaim they even lack an edge, most men believe they have it.
There is a reason why their primary "orientation," if you could call it that, is to be good hearted or a good dude or even a nice guy. Because ultimately, that's what they are. Just that they subconsciously realize such a thing isn't all that valuable, so instead, they conceive a solipsistic male solution they believe "balances the equation."
Experienced women see through this. They paw at these men like lions with a wounded gazelle, that doesn't even know its wounded. They massage their ego and extract what they can from these useful idiots and leave a wake of discarded entrails behind them. Yet even after they've been destroyed, these men would cling to the idea that they do still in fact, have an edge.
I feel very fortunate and thankful for the men that shepherded me, who truly set me free. Because weak men can't understand what being a monster does for you. They are preoccupied with the moral component to unplugging, and viscerally feel guilt and emotional pain for "acting bad" or even thinking about or conceptualizing what this would be like. These are, in my opinion, secondary emotions that cover their baseline, which is in fact fear.
These are feelings that slowly faded over time for me and will with anyone as they become more experienced in the SMP and frankly, the world in general. What you learn, and I will post to, is that no one cares.
Everyone is out getting theirs, wether they consciously know it or admit it. Some people are oblivious enough that they rob others guilt free, because they truly believe their abhorrent behavior is justified. The blue haired radfem who legitimately believes that all men are subjugating her believes when she swallows her boyfriend's best friend's cum that he deserves it. She doesn't give this any pause. Maybe a decade later she might reflect that she was "kind of a horrible person" but she doesn't feel that guilt, or emotional pain, the fear.
Other people post hoc rationalize it. The reason why she passed off another man's baby as his, is because of that time when they were in college and he was treating her terribly. At least that's how she remembers it. He was probably... definitely cheating. Definitely. The first couple times she thought like this she felt the fear, she knew it was wrong, but also, sort of exciting. Should it feel good to be bad? Eventually, 18 years later, she'll feel absolutely nothing as she lays that black truth at his feet and slides over a divorce settlement.
Every time I hear a guy shoot himself "out of nowhere" I know exactly what happened. Some variation of the last paragraph you just read. Are we getting off track? No.
The truth is, those that don't find ways to "get theirs" are the defects. Not the ones who are "bad people." Which is itself Orwellian doublespeak. There are good people who are naive, and as Machiavelli pointed out in The Prince, time will expose them to the bastards who will force them to harden, die or cope.
And so, when the good guy with an edge is confronted with the woman who has fucked, sucked and been emotionally enslaved by one monster or many and she paws at him he must make a choice.
He can decide that he has no edge and admit his folly, that his "niceness" is merely a masquerade to fool himself from his own weakness and grow. To understand and tolerate amorality because morality serves only as chains for men to continue their lives in covert servitude. To die and resolve themselves as "men going their own way." Or to continue deceiving themselves and cope.
The trick your brain has played on you is to convince you that you're different. And that you're better for being weak.
But you don't get to claim to be the man "with an edge" that who if he was confronted by a woman who knows the weak from the monstrous would paw at him and laugh. You can choose to be the man that "victimizes" women who come back to him and serve him, or you can be the man who is victimized.
• /u/sadomasochrist - Good hearted men with an edge"hahahahahahaha what??!?!?!you're such a fedora tipper.
Wow this is mental illness meets fedora filler meets angry gremlin on MGTOW, meets nonsense rambling equal to old man yelling GET OFF MY LAWN. Get help man. Less red pill for you buddy. You swallowed a gallon of the pill in liquid form and are now spewing diarrhea.
robbiss 5y ago
Rule of thumb is whatever number she gives...times it by 3, closer to truth...she says 10 (x3)=30 chads got into pants...also pay attention to her skill level during sex (that's an eye opening)...naive, semi-pro, or pro
Psycholephant 5y ago
I find myself thinking about this a lot. And since a lot of our fellow members here have this obsession with n-count, I feel like we haven't fully digested the pill yet.
rushy_polar_bear 5y ago
What's the opinion on a girl owning a sex toy?
Earlier this year I dated a girl who was a virgin prior to me but she owned a vibrator--one of the magic wands like this--and for some reason, it immediately set a red flag off in my head.
It was my first time dealing with a virgin, but after 2 months of seeing her she suddenly went off the rocker and started banging tons of dudes
I'm assuming she was just a slut who hadn't yet lost her virginity?
Anonymous-O 5y ago
This is true. Some virgins are just sluts who haven't worked up the courage to break out yet.
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KeffirLime 5y ago
The vetting is not so much based on the n-count expressed by her, but rather on the reports from external sources and other tells that generally point in that direction.
But to u/CopperFox3c’s point in society increasingly encouraging sexual promiscuity, it’s becoming even more redundant.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
Well as I said, external sources (whoever those people are, exactly) are useless if they weren't there.
As to other tells, I'm not sure what those would be or how they could definitively prove anything. I would agree that a massive n-count is difficult to hide from a guy with a modicum of RP awareness, but that's at the extreme end of the slut spectrum.
KeffirLime 5y ago
That’s precisely my point, if she’s been a slut it won’t take much for that to come to the fore. On that count don’t pursue
Otherwise a bit of lee way here or there, it’s going to be up to all the other markers. Assessing behaviours etc.
Slutty dolls tend to share certain common behaviors I.e needs attention, daddy issues, guy friends, was easy for you to lay, insecure, tattoos etc, paying attention to those.
p3n1x 5y ago
Single women with multiple kids before 30 :p
Had to be said for the white knights out there.
uwey 5y ago
Look what she does.
If she is mentally unstable, crazy, nagging, and manipulative you will know. Because they hit like a speed bullet train of light. Your head will tell you gtfo.
If you want to get fucked and write novel about it for next 40 year that is also presumably also a life choice.
So do what you love, and let it kills you. Give me a women with nice firm ass forget to get old so I can dog it like this is my very last passionate coitus. Write a novel and call it done deal.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
I think OP cares about women's N counts more than most guys care about their own girlfriend's N count. It's useful metrics, no matter a woman lies to you or not. There are certain slut tells, certain traits that shows how "experienced" she is. All people lie. That's not an argument to dismiss N count as useful.
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
It's not me; it's a large percentage of people on this sub. Red Pillers obsess over a woman's n-count when it comes to LTR issues.
I keep hearing mention of these supposed slut tells. What are they? Nobody has named them.
As I replied to another guy, a woman cannot easily conceal a massive n-count. That much I agree with. But the Madonna/whore debate is clearly fallacious because there is wide spectrum, and most girls will cluster toward the reported mean of 7 (although I believe it is higher).
The idea that a guy can separate a woman with an "average" number of sexual partners (already considered high on this sub) from a woman one standard deviation from the mean in either direction is utter nonsense. There is no evidence for that whatsoever.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
oh really? Keep lurking, newbie.
because you are new guy. Keep lurking
Psychological_Radish 5y ago
I've been on Reddit for years. Psychological Radish is my throwaway account to post on these forums, which I only started doing recently. I rest my case.
digital_dreams 5y ago
Easy solution: don't have relationships, just sex.
It seems to me that the days of the relationship are long gone, and are never coming back.
4433r 5y ago
Thanks for the advice very true ;)
TFWyourWaifuDies 5y ago
> It seems to me that the days of the relationship are long gone, and are never coming back.
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Absolutely retarded.
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Similar situations have happened before in history, and they always reverse because sexual liberation isn't sustainable. There are good and bad times in history. We are living in a bad time. Good will come in the future.
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Will it be in 10 years, 100 years, 200 years? I don't know. But it will come, because statistically that's just how it is.
Lambdal7 5y ago
Also, there is the fact that some women who have never "lived it out" and become sexually aware in their 30s realize what they actually want sexually and that it's currently not a fit at all.
That's why in some cases, it's better to get into a LTR with a girl who has experimented in her youth, is sexually mature, has fucked assholes, bad boys, good boys, alphas betas before and actually knows the downside of everything and doesn't chase those experiences anymore.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
yeah right. It's as if this thread was infiltrated by betas from feminist subs
Lambdal7 5y ago
So who chases particular experiences more, people that have already had the experience or people who haven't and have only heard about them in stories?
You know how dopamine works right?
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
Do you know what hypergamy is?
Lambdal7 5y ago
Yes a predominant factor in girls 20s, which comes second once they hit their 30s, where they put more importance to provider qualities than being fucked by another alpha who fucks multiple other girls at the same time.
This is RP 101.
WestyWorld 5y ago
I still keep it in mind. Yes, you can be lied to. But if you happen to find out that she does have a high number, it is worth considering.
Also, I think how quickly she uses sexual expletives / how quickly she sleeps with you probably correlates to chance of future infidelity.
But all of these things are just data points that you can use to build a complete picture. Each individual point is usually meaningless.