The quarantine has done multiple positive things for TRP and its followers/lurkers.
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Now we know for sure that what TRP is doing and discussing is the correct thing to pursue. Why else would they have semi-banned us from the others, if what we were saying (or better yet lurking and watching and pretending to be part of the "we", Thank you u/Rian_stone) was not "dangerous" to the powers that have money.
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The subscribers here are talking less about how cool it was to finally bang some chick/getting validation from some pussy and instead talking about how, this place is important to them and that they see that feminist ideology/radical liberalism is the reason this place is under attack for fighting against the lies of main stream media and ultimately thought control.
- Now that the quarantine is in effect, it acts as a sort of deadline to say what it is you want to say now before it happens. A ban seems to be the only logical solution in the future. As a student who did, fuck all, until the day before the 10 page essay was due, the subscribers here are now sort of in a scramble to accomplish the same task.
The point is, is that in death or right before a "deadline" it seems that we can accomplish the most, since we know the end is coming and it does not matter anymore. The idea to take from this, is that there is something to be gained by always feeling the deadline/death is coming and if you can live in that moment then the most productivity or/and self growth can be found in that, not giving a fuck anymore.
Use this to your advantage. Know that death is always around the corner. Continue to grow. Continue to pursue the truth, above all else.
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The_Junto 5y ago
Anyone who has internalized Red Pill ideology will be downright gleeful about the quarantine. This movement was predicated on the concept of amorality. This is not a fucking MRA group trying to save the world. If you truly are looking to COMPETE you would want as little men to access this information as possible.
MrBrady23 5y ago
Censorship is just a way of Reddit showing us their fear of our way of life.
Raikkonen716 5y ago
Maybe an unpopular opinion here but... Once one internalizes the main concepts in the sidebar and acknowledges the red pill reality, there's not much more sense to stay on the internet discussing it. Even here on TRP. A real red pill man should use this knowledge to build his life for the best, not to waste his time on reddit discussing with some stranger about how AWALT or some proven theories.
Real red pill men are out there building a career, creating a business, fucking women, climbing mountains, building bridges, playing music, enjoying a gym session. Not staying on reddit.
I loved TRP, it changed my life, but even if it will be gone, that's ok.
geo_gan 5y ago
Until you decide you might like your son to read it some day.
The_Junto 5y ago
Exactly.
This sub has turned into fucking activism.
Romannoito 5y ago
Best wishes for the community, we have lost a fight but it is not the end. Thanks trp for opening my eyes
KyfhoMyoba 5y ago
When you're taking flak, it means you're over the target. - Old Air Force Expression
TRP is the tip of the spear in the ribs of cultural Marxism. Time to double down.
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TempleOfIron 5y ago
Just lol. You do know the quarantine ends up in a banned subreddit, right?
DancesWithPugs 5y ago
When logic, reason, evidence and ethical principles are on your side you can defend your position with honor.
It's time for TRP to admit morals and social politics are relevant to advocating a point of view and men having voices.
I want us to maintain the high ground to stand out in stark contrast to backstabbing sore loser weasels.
BlueFreedom420 5y ago
Have no mercy on the statists when their state falls. Prepare for the fall. Drive the blade deep.
CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK 5y ago
The lack of content sucks. If i scroll just lightly from the top of the page then I can see posts from 5 days ago. Used to be way more active.
Ill_Will7 5y ago
True. Since the quarantine, a small number of the 300,000 have logged back in or noticed.
The people that are here now want to be here.
I agree though, my post is still number 7. and its not special. before the quarantine it definitely would have disappeared to the second page by now.
TheDroogie 5y ago
I wondered why the posts disappeared from my feed....just logged in and saw all this.
The vast majority of subscribers (like me) are unaware, and have been glued to the Kavanaugh drama, blissfully unaware of the attack on our 'safe place'.
We need to get the word out in our allied channels.
rosbergsessa420 5y ago
What else did you expect from a forum that is filled with college lefties trying to police what everyone else does or says under the "offensive" strawman
sackofwisdom 5y ago
I've been a lurker and left my first comments on the sub after the quarantine started.
While I have internalized a lot of the ideas here, I still have limited experience. I'm in no place to give relationship advice besides regurgitating what I've heard from others. That's the main reason I keep to myself.
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lvanden 5y ago
Am I the only one here who doesn't give a fuck that this subreddit is being quarentined?
rma92 5y ago
It caused me to actually sub.
Aside from that, there's enough failsafes anyway.
Ill_Will7 5y ago
It is what it is.
Life goes on.
Those who care will continue to care.
Those who do not will continue to do as they do.
Those looking for help will find it when they are ready.
riot2100 5y ago
I'm enjoying the boost in content quality post quarantine. It's a wake up call: we as individuals need to be hyper-aware of our current societal situation and prevent ourselves from falling deeper into the abyss along with it.
halfback910 5y ago
Figuring out how to view it again was a huge fucking hassle for me. Nobody anywhere had specific instructions.
But now that I've figured it out... yeah life goes on.
SirKolbath 5y ago
If you want to use an app, I have found that it can be accessed through looking at any posts you have made in your own post history and comment history. It just doesn’t show up in your own personal Reddit homepage.
geo_gan 5y ago
It does for me still. I didn’t go looking for this sub. It just showed some new post from here today as I was scrolling through home.
WeRAllOne 5y ago
Yea you don't care its going down because you have most likely already siffed through and internalized all the information that it has provided you. I'm thinking more in terms of the young men out there who still wear their hearts on their sleeve everyday hoping to get that one girl, while she is (unbeknownst to him) gargling and throating other men's cocks ad infinitum. This censoring of TRP is basically not giving these future men access to viable and, dare I say, truthful information about the real nature of women.
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Oh no, oh no.... men can't go round *knowing* what women *really* are, can we? Yea they gotta put a stop to that asap so these other young men who don't know and haven't internalized these principles can be left in the darkness in which they will receive no light.
wendysNO1wcheese 5y ago
I mostly give advice if anything on here and I couldn't agree more. I just think what my life would be like if I had this place to read at age 15. It's truly invaluable stuff and can save lives.
gaki123 5y ago
IDGAF less competition for me
pcsubliminal 5y ago
I was thinking the same. I feel lucky to have gleaned the knowledge that I needed from here. I'll be OK on my own from here on.
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I was going to say, surely it could be up to us men to change those ways, I mean there is a shit tonne of us who have been unplugged, it only takes those men to spread the word but unfortunately you cannot change people overnight!
ileatyourassmthrfkr 5y ago
Just because I'm unplugged doesn't mean I go around talking about me being unplugged and trying to unplug every guy I know. If they want insight and help, I am more than happy to be a help - however don't expect people to go out of their way to spread the word.
TheStumblingWolf 5y ago
There's been a failsafe in place for years. Everything will stay available one way or another.
Field_Of_View 5y ago
are you referring just generally to other places on the internet, or are you talking about a specific place? if so, please tell since I am missing this piece of information and wondering why there is no big sticky thread about "if we get banned we move on to X site".
spistruth 5y ago
I think the backup website is trp.red
TheStumblingWolf 5y ago
it's in the header so it's kind of hard to miss ;) pretty sure I've seen mods posting about it all over the place too
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
I think it's very shortsighted to see all the warning signs and not care.
Today we have the ability to discuss men's issues.
But if the tech companies continue their purge, I'm not sure we're going to see the same freedoms tomorrow.
Whether or not TRP survives in the long run, the most important thing for men is to be able to communicate.
I suspect feminism's' stronghold up to the 90's was due to the lack of communication between men.
Luckyluke23 5y ago
true, though what do you think brought on the RAPID rise of " 3rd wave feminism" now?
lvanden 5y ago
Dont you understand you're fighting against a tide? The smart move is to go the other way.
redpillschool Admin 5y ago
Just go with the current!
(Towards the waterfall)
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standardmissile 5y ago
The quarantine is a non-event. Trp.red has existed for a long time. Most of this subs value is in the sidebar, which everyone should have read before commenting anyway.
Illimitable man and Rollo should be staples of newbs, not the chat boards of TRP.
For the mods/EC's who are truly invested in this place (and who we're all indebted to), they can move their talents to trp.red or somewhere else.
For those of us who've internalised the RP, but haven't invested much in the sub itself this is an All Corporates Are Like That event. Shutting us down is the easiest option for a modern company.
Why get emotional about? It's predictable, has been planned for, and is easily mitigated.
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FeelersMcTouchem 5y ago
You're essentially saying "Someone is trying to silence you, why be emotional about it?". This just seems like a defeatist attitude.
standardmissile 5y ago
> "Someone is trying to silence you, why be emotional about it?"
Nobody is silencing anything. We're all still on here posting. They've just told us they think we're nasty. so what, We think they're BP plebs. I come here to learn, not gab off. For those with genuinely insightful things to say, the majority is in the sources I cited above already. The rest is rehashing old ideas and FR's which can be done anywhere on the internet.
The only people with any right to get pissed about this are the MOds and EC's who've contributed, curated and created. Note none of them are overly emotional about it as the whole thing can be moved elsewhere easily.
Apart from that there other resources are available. We all had to go through some deep emotional shit to find this place in the first place, so I have no problem re-raising the barriers to entry.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
agreed.
and if you guys haven't bought rollo's books, i highly recommend that you do before they're banned.
and please don't think they can't be banned...
halfback910 5y ago
Even Lolita and Final Exit aren't banned in America. And those are way more offensive to mainstream society than anything that dude writes. I think you're being a bit dramatic.
Winterknight82475125 5y ago
No he's not. But don't worry, his message isnt for you. Keep your head in the sand.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
i'm being dramatic? lol.
we are under quarantine on this site, and multiple guys have been banned on twitter already. there's your drama.
rollo himself has mentioned his issues on twitter and has spoken about this matter as MULTIPLE 'positive masculinity' guys have been banned.
reddit is being dramatic. twitter is being dramatic. amazon is getting on-board too. i'm just telling you what my eyes are seeing... call it what you want.
zue3 5y ago
All of that content has already been saved or archived so no worries. Either save what is important to you or others or search for someone who is and make it available to everyone through torrents, etc.
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l3v1athaN_ 5y ago
The feminists are not liberals or radical liberals. They're the regressive left.
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Ivabighairy1 5y ago
Regarding the quarantine/ban:
it wasn’t ours, it was just our turn
The_Junto 5y ago
This sub was predicated on amorality. If you have truly internalized The Red Pill ideology you would want as little people as possible to have this information. That's the difference between this sub, a guide to COMPETE in the sexual marketplace and MRA or MGTOW whose purposes are primarily activism.
This quarantine is a good thing. I have always said that the mainstreaming of Red Pill ideas is not something we as a community should want.
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HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
A defeatist attitude. Stop behaving like your rewards have to be granted to you by someone else.
Rexile 5y ago
It's more of a "don't get too attached" attitude
HumanSockPuppet 5y ago
I've coached a lot of men, and every single one who holds the "just my turn" perspective is harbouring a desire to be rewarded rather than to simply seize.
Detachment is the correct attitude to have. Encapsulating it in this kind of attitude, however, is the wrong approach.
mariusAlch 5y ago
Disagree. Mens duty is to take action, create and protect. Not to be passive and let your hands down at first opportunity.
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SalesOverEverything 5y ago
Thanks mate. Like your username
trseeker 5y ago
For he knows he has but a short time.
punkrockfishboy 5y ago
Hopefully I can still read some noteworthy posts from this sub before it gets banned on trp.red or something.
leidogbei 5y ago
Just sad that mobile apps aren't that friendly with quarantines: you still need to go desktop and opt in to have access.
Other than that, it's cool that it leaves much of the brigaders off.
underborggod 5y ago
I'm currently writing on Reddit.app Android. I had to sort to say "reset" the sub on desktop after quarantine tho.
KnightestKnightPeter 5y ago
2 is actually a negative. This quarantine brought out a bunch of meaningless, sentimental word vomit from 'thankful TRPers', eating up the limelight of the sub's front page, instead of leaving it for the THEORIES and FIELD REPORTS that this sub is about.
Shut up about the politics, shut up about how grateful you are, do the sub an actual favor and focus on its intended purpose as a practical tool.
ex_addict_bro 5y ago
I’m sure success stories especially those spanning over longer periods of time are welcome here.
Pezotecom 5y ago
I agree there's been too much ranting/venting towards the same subject lately.
But it's part of the process. Like Morpheus says in matrix:
They are fighting. And it's ok for us to express ourselves about it.
sqerl 5y ago
The anger (fight) phase is real. Guys need to work thru it. Once they see the source, they can take the necessary steps to improve. Telling guys to not express emotion is akin to "man up".
As far as I've come in the past several years, there are all new guys that haven't even started. Guys that have learned need not to repeat the same behaviours that led them down the wrong path.
Rian_Stone 5y ago
which the angry guys, or the 'stoic' ones?
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SirKolbath 5y ago
I rarely get angry any more, but I am sick of being silenced. Conservative on Facebook? You can be threatened, harassed, and routinely subjected to vile insults. Reporting them to admin results in “We didn’t see anything wrong.” Tell them to fuck off and you’ll be reported and your account banned.
Conservative on Twitter? You can watch Fonda call for a woman to be publicly raped, but if you call that shitbat out on it your account will be terminated for “hateful conduct”.
Now here we are on Reddit, once more being silenced. Why the fuck did the Founding Fathers put freedom of expression first in the Bill of Rights? BECAUSE IT IS THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT!
I am sick of being muzzled by these cucktarded shitweasels. We not only have the right to be angry, we need to get angry. Why did you start lifting and working on yourself in the first place, TRP? BECAUSE YOU WERE PISSED AT THE WAY YOUR LIFE WAS GOING!
Anger is not always bad. Anger begets change.
So here’s the question. What and how do we make this change? The TRP forum is important. Those of you saying “The content is in the sidebar” are missing the point. You are already on top of the mountain. Newcomers are not, and those field reports and discussions chewing old soup are helping them to digest concepts they can’t otherwise conceptualize.
We need to be in anger phase right now. This is where men need to fucking fight back.
I am sick of being censored and silenced.
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sqerl 5y ago
1) Make outlandish accusation
2) Watch target have emotional reaction
3) Make outlandish claims about the reaction
4) Watch target get more emotional
5) Claim you were right all along and using emotions from (4) as "proof"
I totally agree with you. Channel the anger though. They're using very effective persuasion tactics. Think Gaslighting as the atomic level.
Keep in mind, you're being played. We all are. They Trigger the emotions and then cry "victim" when the target fights back. It's very effective for weak people. They cant fight physically, so it's a war of emotional triggers. Learn to recognize the pattern. Trump knows the pattern and has developed counter measures. He also knows how to use it as well. There's a lesson in there.
SirKolbath 5y ago
I always used to think that bullshit about the left using Rules for Radicals as a playbook was just conspiracy theory horseshit. Every day, however, I see them literally quoting its tenets.
I watched those same tactics you describe used by middle schoolers when I was a teacher. It was the bullies who cried out, “He’s bullying me!” They literally tried to use the teacher as their bullying weapon. (As if there weren’t already enough reasons to get out of teaching.) Normally, it was some crock-wearing soyboy larvae making the accusation, because if he attempted to physically bully someone he’d be eating that footwear.
These people are literally using the same methodology used by children to harass others and get their own way.
sqerl 5y ago
Yep. And once you break down their arguement, you reach the point where its no longer rational, you find the emotional hamstering. Reelz vs feels.
bouldurer 5y ago
One rule in life: all things come to an end, never cling to anything.
This is nature taking its course, forcing it to evolve to survive.
DevkiKinteSiski 5y ago
The admins aren't a force of nature. They're just info blocking cunts.
But since we observe nature as it really is, and know how it really works, nature will indeed end the admin's totalitarian rule. You can't spez your way into a perfectly feminist world, after all.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
That's bad advice. Clinging to things is what gives meaning. You cling to things you value in life and should try and preserve them as much as possible.
gELSK 5y ago
// , SpectacularFox, be careful with the subtleties, here.
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Shit like "Never cling to anything" (except life rafts, your mother when you're born, your handlebars on a motorcycle etc.) is just hyperbole to sound more confident on a web forum.
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Calling out, "hey, this trite new-agey meme you don't realize you're repeating is actually pretty stupid" might not work on the type of folks who aren't smart enough to see such platitudes for what they are, unassisted, in the first place.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
Yep. Probably why i got downvoted.
immibis 5y ago
If you have to cling to something that's because you've already lost it.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
That sounds like some bullshit esoteric quote you'd find on a fridge magnet.
immibis 5y ago
It probably is on a fridge magnet somewhere.
MoDuReddit 5y ago
Sounds like a recipe for a life of anxiety and never living in the moment.
rma92 5y ago
Clinging to things makes you upset when you lose them. You also know you will lose them (consciously or unconsciously), so you are anxious even before the loss occurs.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
Your mind naturally clings to things, you can't help it. Imagine i say "don't cling to the attachement you have or your parents". You can't do that, you have no choice in the matter. You care about them and value them and when they die you will be miserable. How miserable is directly correlated to how much you cared about them. There is nothing wrong with that. If you can't take feeling bad in life you're a pussy. It's part of what gives life its depth.
EpigonIQ 5y ago
There is nothing wrong with being miserable? Try again, this point was less than spectacular, fox.
How about if you were mentally strong enough to accept that one day your parents will die as well as everyone else, and this being inevitable you should that much more cherish them while they're still alive and can feel your love for them? You being miserable after they're gone doesn't help them at all, obviously won't help you, and shows that you're not ready to deal with the nature of life itself. How about being happy after they die remembering you have done all that you could have done to make this relationship the most while they were still alive? And if you have indeed, why would you be upset at the natural order of things? Misery is associated with the regret of not having done more before and it being too late now. Brush up on stoicism.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
There's not. Temporary sadness or emotional anguish etc. are the direct result of losing something you value. The only way to avoid not suffering is to never care about anything. If that's your aim in life then i don't know why you're even here.
Intellectually accepting the impermanence of things does not negate suffering. You can fully accept your parent will die but if you love and cherish them you will still be devastated when they die. It's simply the cause and effect of psychological attachment. The only way to avoid this is by having very superficial relationships and never caring about anyone too deeply but to me that is a waste of a life. I'd rather be dead.
I'm not talking about prolonging misery and wallowing in it which some people do. I'm just talking about going through the natural negative emotions of losing something you love.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
You can live in the moment, deeply appreciating and being attached to the things you have. There is no contradiction there. Yes, you will be anxious and upset if something you value is taken away. Say you had a child. Are you going to tell me you'd rather have no attachment to them just to avoid the negative feelings you'd endure from potentially losing them? That is pure nihilism. You might as well just lay down and die.
idgaf- 5y ago
You're young and early in your spiritual journey, and that's fine.
Practicing non-attachment and non-aversion is not meant to avoid negative feelings. Negative and positive feelings come and go naturally. The clinging to and dwelling on those feelings create suffering.
For today, consider the parable of the second arrow.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
You're very wrong. Positive and negative feelings are inextricably linked to attachment. You feel emotions for things you have psychological attachments to, either positive or negative. Tell me something your life that doesn't fit that.
There is a difference between intentionally dwelling on things out of choice and the natural process of losing an attachment. They both involve inevitable suffering but one is where you're consciously inducing suffering. I'm not advocating for that.
idgaf- 5y ago
Yes, we all have many attachments. We do not live as monks. That results in many positive and negative feelings, a wild and exciting ride in life, a crazy story to tell. It is fine to live like this.
Dwelling on things is unconscious and involuntary to the untrained mind. The untrained mind suffers greatly. Choice - The conscious, "choosing" mind is often the slave of the emotional hindbrain. Choice is most often an illusion. A fascinating book about this is Thinking Fast and Slow.
Pain and suffering are different. Pain is inevitable, but suffering is like a weed that sprouts in the mind. It grows by watering it with thoughts and delusions. For example, you can carry anger, regret, vengeance long after pain is gone. That is born out of an attachment. It is purely mental, and it hurts much more than pain.
But having attachments isn't bad. It helps us be driven and ambitious, in order to attract mates and achieve great things. If you are under 30, this is a good place to be, you will achieve more than most. Obviously, being attached, ambitious, or try-hard with women can often backfire.
But after all that. At some point in your life, after so much achievement, sex, material accumulation, and sensual stimulation, you might realize you still aren't happy. As in, fulfilled. That you are still suffering, scrambling for the next hit of positive feelings, which ultimately doesn't last very long. If you find or notice yourself in this cycle, that's when your spiritual journey begins. That's when the motivation to seek spiritual wisdom and practice non-attachment arises.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
I agree to some extent. Often people rationalise things consciously based on subconscious forces they're not even in control of. Say someone is pissed off one day, they will go around thinking everyone is doing things to make them angry when in reality the anger came first and they are projecting that onto people around them.
I do think there is still a lot of impact the conscious, thinking mind can have on things. I don't believe we are simply robotic slaves of the subconscious. You can be pushed in certain directions by the subconscious but still make intellectual choices in another direction.
To me family and human relationships are the most real and deep aspects of the human experience. Nothing spiritually is more fulfilling or concrete to me that but that's just me.
frooschnate 5y ago
You're very wrong about this
SpectacularFox 5y ago
No. I'm right. Your world view leads to subjection. Those that do cling to things get what they want in society because you just acquiesce and move on. It's like the lefts increasingly authoritarian agenda. You would just sit back and let them dictate the agenda. "Don't cling to the old ways". The end result is we'll be living in hell.
frooschnate 5y ago
There’s a difference between clinging and hanging on to something. Clinging is born out of necessity and scarcity, the other is a choice you make because of your morals, ideals, whatever.
I choose to fight for certain things because I want to keep them. But I shouldn’t cling to them, cause I might have to accept they gone and ditch.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
You're making semantic differentiations that don't really exist. You fight for what you cling to. Your morals, values etc. are psychological constructs that you cling to. That is what makes you who you are.
frooschnate 5y ago
You’re taking the word “cling” out of context. That’s now how we or anyone uses it.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
I'm using it as intended. The only reason you have an internal moral compass or set of values is because you intellectually cling to them and try to live by them. If you stopped clinging to them your values would change and you'd be a totally different person.
frooschnate 5y ago
If everything gets fucked tomorrow and we go back to the cavemen era I would bash someone’s head in for food or shelter, that’s not clinging to shit.
KarmicPrism 5y ago
You are completely incorrect. That's hurting the fuck outa you. You gonna do that with your oneitis too?
SpectacularFox 5y ago
You're advocating for a rootless, shallow existence. That's not what i'm about. I want stuff i can hold on to that i care about a lot.
KarmicPrism 5y ago
Attaching yourself to things is where your suffering comes from, when it is inevitably removed from your life. Think back to where your suffering has come from before. If you don't care about the suffering and not rather be in constant bliss without needing anything as a crutch, then go ahead and cling to things. Not everyone gets it, and that's okay. You will eventually.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
Yes. Suffering is a consequence of attachement. You can't have one without the other but there's nothing wrong with that. It is the ying and yang of existence. If you do not suffer from losing something you never truly appreciated it. Your psyche naturally attaches to things it gets enjoyment/value out of. You can't help it. You're saying people can just switch off something that is innate to our very being.
There is one way you can switch off this process but i would never suggest you do it and that is with meditation. That diminishes the natural attachment processes of the mind, hence why non-attachment is such a key part of eastern religions that practice meditation. It is a path to pure nihilism though.
KarmicPrism 5y ago
Well that seems to be your opinion. Also I am Buddhist so way ahead of you my brother. I understand it's not for everyone. But I am very happy and have a very happy life. Have friends and have a normal job, and a loving family, and no issues with women. I just suffer much less because I know that things are not permanent. For example I don't suffer so much/so long from the death of a family pet, because I am not deluded by attachment. You really need to study/practice meditation and Buddhist beliefs to successfully assess what attachment is and what it isn't. Otherwise I don't see how you could speak negatively about it, or at all.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
I've done years of meditation practice. That's why i'm saying what i am. My worldview comes from years of introspection and seeing the effects of mediation on my psyche and attachments. The number of attachements the average person has is so vast and multifaceted. Attachments even encompass the meaning you attribute to particular words. These are concepts your subconscious mind holds on to.
I expect you haven't been doing it for that long so your perspective is somewhat limited. I don't say that to be insulting, i just think it's probably the case.
KarmicPrism 5y ago
I see where you're coming from. Deep Meditation without proper guidance or (mainly Buddhist) teachings to help you process everything, is sometimes gonna bring some internal conflicts. But you cannot expect that experience you had to be the same for others who practice the path. Millions of meditators, Buddhists, and monks are totally happy with their lives and living a peaceful more fulfilling life than most of us. Not nihilistic at all. And like I said it's not for everyone in this life. Sometimes you have this need to be in this life, sometimes you don't. if it's not in your karma, it rarely can be forced.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
Very few people have done thousands of hours, that's what i'm talking about. They do a bit of meditation then think they understand the ultimate path it's taking them on, they actually have no idea. Easterners typically have a vastly different view on meditation to us. It's not seen as some self help practice over there but something to be taken very seriously.
For years i did meditation and had a generally postie view of it, i saw it as weight lifting for the mind but the longer i did it the more i saw it fundamentally is nothing like that. It's really about extinguishing the ego.
The average person, unless they've done the right hallucinogens, can't even conceptualize what that means because the ego is like the water you've always swum in your entire life, you could never imagine anything else. Extinguishing the ego also means extinguishing attachments and you understand how everything in life has some level of mental attachment when they start to fade.
missingpiece 5y ago
The only way you can appreciate things is if you don’t need them.
Imagine sitting by a campfire. It’s nice, crackles, gives off warmth. Now imagine you’re freezing to death. You simultaneously need and are terrified of the fire, of it going out. You’re no longer able to appreciate all its aspects, its beauty; all you can think about is its warmth, and if you’re going to lose that.
The day I stopped clinging to warmth is the day I freed myself. Now it’s nice when it’s warm, but if the fire goes out I know I’m warm enough not to freeze.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
I fundamentally disagree. The mind is a multi layered thing. It can hold multiple concepts/ideas at the same time. It can simultaneously value something and appreciate it deeply whilst being afraid of losing it. Imaging a relationship with a sick family member, are you telling me because you are scared of losing them you can't value them, their characteristic, what they've done for you in life etc?
It's actually the opposite of what you say. It's precisely because you value and appreciate thing that you're afraid to lose them. You appreciate the significance they hold for you.
missingpiece 5y ago
You can be sad to lose something, but being afraid of losing it means there’s a hole in your life that you’re not filling.
I’ve dated girls who I thought I needed, who I was terrified of losing. I treated them like crap and I was super unhappy. Nowadays I know that if I lose a girl it’s no big deal; maybe it’s a bummer, but life goes on. I don’t need them. Because of this, I can appreciate the people I hook up with for who they are, not just what holes in me they patch over.
Fear prevents you from feeling the world. It’s what prevents people from following their dreams, living the life they want to live. Life is a ride; don’t be afraid ever.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
If you really loved a girl, you wouldn't just think it was a bummer if you lost her. You'd be heartbroken. That doesn't mean you were just compensating for some hole in your life, you can be deeply attached to someone just because of who they are. It isn't a requirement to be deficient n some way.
What you're basically saying is you current relationships are not that deep if you'd hardly care if they ended. You're probably just with a girl mostly for the sex.
missingpiece 5y ago
I'm trying to distinguish between sadness and fear. Sadness is fine. I was deeply sad when my last girlfriend of nearly three years ended our relationship out of the blue. But I wasn't afraid. I knew I'd be fine after a time, and I was.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
They are both the product of attachment though. That's the point. You were sad because you were attached. You can make things less bad by not intentionally cultivate certain emotions like anger, bitterness etc. but you will always experience sadness of and loss of things you value.
missingpiece 5y ago
That’s a good point. “Attachment” is a tricky word. I’d say (though I’m still working through this idea) that there’s both healthy and unhealthy attachment. There’s the “overly attached girlfriend” meme, which I would say is fear-based attachment (unhealthy) and manifests as the need to control other people. But then there are children who have attachment disorder, where they don’t feel any sort of attachment for anyone, and those kids often end up as rapists, sociopaths, etc. Usually they’ve learned not to develop attachment to their parents because their parents are abusive/negligent. So I would say that empathy/emotion (caring about people, being vulnerable to those who’ve earned it, crying when a loved one dies) are healthy forms of attachment, while being clingy, fearful, and anxious represent unhealthy forms of attachment.
SpectacularFox 5y ago
Yes. There are definitely different forms of attachment and different motivations, good and bad.
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Reddit is just fucking awful though. I’ve been temporarily banned from the college football sub twice now for trying to have legitimate discussions. You can’t talk common sense on Reddit period. It’s just mind boggling to them and they’d rather just ban you.
TheStumblingWolf 5y ago
Your fault for thinking the things they don't like. /s
bookofcookies 5y ago
Reddit is fucking awesome though. All the memes and meirls led me to this sub.
Gnostic28 5y ago
That sub is awesome, I don’t know how you get banned m, unless your throwing out personal insults
missingpiece 5y ago
I’ve been banned from several subreddits just because I occasionally post here.
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I was called a fucking scum bag the other day because someone checked my post history.
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Luckyluke23 5y ago
yeah i get this one a lot. though I do clash with people posting in my countries sub so.
MajesticPresentation 5y ago
Most of the upvoted questions in the spez AMA were about Reddit not punishing hatespeech even more than they have done. That reaction you got is par for the course.
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Yeah it’s rediculous that they don’t want us to call women sluts for riding the CC but then they’re allowed to call us fucking scumbags. The double standard is just hilarious. They think they’re better than us when they do the same exact thing as us except we fucking own it. We call each other pussies and faggots like it’s nothing and we know it means nothing.
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[deleted] 5y ago
Hey I’m actually information technology with systems and security. I decided not to do comp science.
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That's prob what happened to me.