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- Hide Preview | 56 Comments | submitted 2 months ago by awalt_cupcake [Post Locked]

Title is kind of baity but it describes how I feel. I'm not going to go into too much detail about the dynamic of this particular girl because, and this needs to be said, I believe women are starting to know about this forum/lifestyle and are picking up on what we know to be "good girls". (I have had a girl tell me how much she loved her dad and would never disappoint him. Goes on to having actual photos of her dad. Claimed to have a low n-count. Would mock feminism. Sounds high quality but nothing else about her added up to a good girl. She was questionable. The best summary I can give is that "she knew exactly what to say" from our first meetup and that sent off many alarms in my gut.) What I mean is I have a sneaky suspicion some modern girls are stalking/profiling us. This falls right into place with a woman's natural ability to be like water and take form of the man she wants to be with.

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As such I don't wish to give too much away. So I'm cutting right to the chase and leaving out the unimportant details.

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I made a post about girls not taking hints a bit ago. One girl never stopped emailing, calling, texting over half a year and we never met and I continued to ignore her. Finally she sent me a long writeup about how she was going to start acting right. She did meet up and things were off to a good start. Not soon after she was supposed to show up at my place one week and didn't. She rescheduled us and same song and dance. She asked for another chance and I told her the terms. Again couldn't make it but, and this is out of character for her, she sent me another long text about how she'll make it up and this includes some sex talk. She apologizes for her lack of availability and says she'll keep trying. I went and saw another girl that night.

That was a week ago and have not heard from her. I sent a ping out as I usually get a reply from her right way. It's easy to think I was showing some high availability or beta traits but that's not the case with this one. I have options. I'm busy. And I'm somewhat of a tyrant with her and I get away with it.

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My suspicion is that she did not like the fact I next her and stood her up and waited this whole time to fall back in my good graces just to try and frustrate me. But she failed. My frame is impeccable these days and all it showed me was that she was 1) immature 2) still just the same let down she was the first time. Which absolutely baffles me that a woman would be so drive by spite to only prove what I already knew. This is the same behavior when you dump a girl on the suspicions she is slutty only for her to turn around and fuck a ton of guys in the week, talking bad about you, etc. She's just proving you were right when she thinks she's "getting back at you".

This is flared as a rant because I have to say I'm shocked but also impressed a woman spent almost a year getting my attention again just to lose it permanently with no skin off my back. That's a lot of wasted effort because her ego is so fragile. Had to share this with the community and get this off my psyche. Only you guys would understand this wild story.

[-] MattyAnon 61 Points 2 months ago

What I mean is I have a sneaky suspicion some modern girls are stalking/profiling us. This falls right into place with a woman's natural ability to be like water and take form of the man she wants to be with.

This is exactly the case. Women engage in relentless PR using whatever information is available. Every proxy we use to determine if she is worthy of investment is either faked ("No, I've only been with one guy before you") or downplayed ("you can't ask me that, don't be so judgmental").

You basically can't trust anything she does, anything she says or anything she implies. And you can't be sure of her past as you've not seen her every second of every day.

It always makes me laugh on here when guys say "I'm sure that she wasn't lying about being a faithful virgin". Women lie to completely that they don't even call it lying, to them the truth is whatever they can make you believe and they have no qualms about it.

[-] HumanSockPuppet 35 Points 2 months ago

Indeed.

Women don't make a statement because it's true. They make a statement to achieve a particular goal. They will simply act like it is true (and therefore make themselves believe that it is true) because believing your own lie helps you sell it better.

If the statement happens to be true, then that's just a coincidence.

[-] MrCongeniality1 8 Points 2 months ago

This is also why low-value women act like they are picky. When your entire world is a game of social dominance, the only reality that matters is the reality that you can convince others of.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

I'm noticing this now my SMV is higher. Lots of ASD even in private (read: I'm a good girl). Is this strictly for low-value women? Could it a tell-tale sign that one needs to be approaching higher valued women?

[-] U-94 1 Point 2 months ago

So I went out on a great date last Friday and this girl mirrored my "I don't give a shit, it's all the same" attitude on politics. Ah, fuck.

[-] MrCongeniality1 9 Points 2 months ago

to them the truth is whatever they can make you believe

It is a crime that every man is not taught this from birth. A man will lie and know he is lying and mentally maintain an understanding of both the fantasy and the reality. A woman will only experience her "emotional" reality, i.e. whatever she wants to believe whenever that happens to be.

Have you ever interacted with a young child (ages 3-5) and asked them a question and they just said some random shit that you know wasn't true but you can tell that the child just has no concept of what's really real? That.

Children engage in power struggles around this age because they don't have a consolidated sense of reality that allows them to assess fair and reasonable expectations and interactions. A large part of the human race has evolved to maintain this child-like state.

[-] campfire451 2 Points 2 months ago

The take-away is that women specifically seek guys who will buy their lies. The lies are non-stop, so just have fun.

[-] Ansec 34 Points 2 months ago

Hahaha, what?!?

No, she's not learning what's going on here, she's learning how to play you. You still have some blue pill. You never take a woman back. You can meet up and fuck her, but you don't do shit. If she want's to see you, the only effort you should put in is walking to your front door to let her in.

[-] vfb14 10 Points 2 months ago

Exactly, what these guys don't understand is that as long as you take too much into account what she says or what she does, you are over investing. When you haven't fully integrated the don't give a fuck mentality it shows because you still take them seriously. All women are natural sociopaths and the sooner you learn that, the sooner you can focus on your mission. When you know exactly who you are and what you are striving for, women will shape their personalities to your lifestyle in order to fit in it. Stop idealizing ltr's because all women in them are vulnerable to hypergamy, Stockholm syndrome and female solipsism.

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[-] LandoChronus 6 Points 2 months ago

You gave this girl more than 2 chances. You didn't get conned because you knew that what you were doing wasn't the correct thing to do.

You relapsed to some beta tendencies. And that's ok. Learn from this and move on.

ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT

[-] Swan_in_a_Cage 5 Points 2 months ago

And if you feel entitled to glorify your own frame. Frame is about not giving a shit about the frame. It's done as a byproduct of your inherent manhood.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

This sub is a hoot

If you don't address every aspect of your post, someone will beg the question and plant doubt on your character.
If you do address every aspect of your post, someone will downplay it and criticize the author for writing it.

[-] Swan_in_a_Cage 2 Points 2 months ago

Yes, makes us stronger?

I like hanging out here because men dont get as easily triggered as BP men. Or women.

I come here to be rock solid. Eat me alive, lions, I will go out towards the ladies with renewed vigor by your criticism.

Take it man. Peace

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

There's a time and place for shit talking. This sub is a little autistic to know when.

[-] Swan_in_a_Cage 1 Point 2 months ago

Eh don't generalize. I'm just an asshole.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

is that what they're calling it now

[-] illimit_ableman 16 Points 2 months ago

You sound hurt that she played you in your own game. Honestly that long winded post just reaks of neediness. Why were you putting up with her all this time if all you wanted was for “her to get the hint”? Sounds like you liked the drama/power trip.

Now that she got that hint and cut contact, you’re hurt. Work on your frame and continue to ask yourself if the situation at hand, whatever it may be, helps you towards your goals.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

> You sound hurt that she played you in your own game.

That's real easy to say. I felt suprised to be sure that a woman would go that length. I've not had a woman do that in my life ever and it's not a normal experience.

Stopped reading the rest because it's incorrect drivel.

[-] VolatileEnemy 1 Point 2 months ago

I've got a completely different take.

If she's writing long-winded texts trying to get with you, and maybe made some excuse for not being able to meet. It's very possible that she really was busy or whatever (you have to judge this accurately).

They don't usually put in this much effort unless they are interested. Even if they hate you, hate is not the problem a man has. Hate and love are opposite sides of the coin and can be transferred between each other.

If a woman hates you enough, she will even hate fuck you. If they hate, they are reluctantly exposing the idea that they care about you or think of you.

Apathy is the real problem for men. A woman who doesn't care, doesn't meet, doesn't initiate contact. That's bad behavior. Next.

How sure are you that she was trying to get back at you with spite, rather than just had an excuse because of some issue?

Orbiters just stick like glue, so they don't have to put in much effort to keep an orbiter. They wouldn't go to great lengths to keep around an orbiter either (unless they believe the orbiter can provide real benefits like giving gifts/cash).

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

Another commentor said she may have been looking for a confidence boost. That makes more sense. It had been almost a year.

When I met her she had a bf and our hookup inspired her to go date around again. I have no proof of this but she still doesn't have a bf. Chances are she thought she could play the field again like when she was younger but never got anyone to commit. (she was a STUNNER! now she's cute) So even if she was being honest that's not a girl I'd trust.

[-] NeedingAdvice86 15 Points 2 months ago

99% of girls in the world don't know or give a shit about reddit or TRP.....

And this entire post is just cope for getting played by this girl that you never fucked....it isn't like she did a bunch real effort to get YOU and she likely was doing tons of these text to other orbiters in her spare time.

And she won...you bit and now she has no intention of fucking your and has moved on playing games with other orbiters...this is how she gets off.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

Not true. Lots of self proclaimed women are showing up in tons of our post comments these days (I report every single one lol) TRP makes front page. Women are on the internet too. We even have/had a subreddit for TRP women. A few women I knew have even brought up TRP in discussion. We have a movie on it now. More women know than you think.

EDIT: We fucked. Since for some reason you think we didn't.

[-] DeontologicalSanders 13 Points 2 months ago

Ignore all of these idiots telling you "hurrr if you bothered posting about it, your frame sux". It's a good example of an important aspect of female behavior, and it's a worthy post.

It's important to remember that women are a group of people who, for the entirety of their evolutionary history, have not been able to lift heavy objects, hunt for food, fight in wars, defend their loved ones, do stressful jobs, invent important things (some exceptions exist, but not many), or generally be responsible for high-stakes outcomes. Society, men and women alike, have long valued women mainly for their beauty, fertility, and reputation, and those things are usually pretty tightly intertwined. Being pretty for a man, having and taking care of kids, and not being a slut/causing trouble. That's about it.

The point of all this is that when women are petty, hold grudges, and engage in meaningless power and ego plays, you shouldn't be surprised or knocked off guard. They have quite literally been programmed to have nothing better to do with their time.

[-] NeedingAdvice86 8 Points 2 months ago

I think that they are posting that because they know that the Op will not learn the important lesson from this girl....she took advantage of his oversized ego and played him.

She spotted the crack in his wall...his ego and vanity....played him to become invested then pulled the rug out from beneath him...she never intended on fucking him.

The Op still doesn't get it...he is talking about impeccable frame and how she chased him....wow real effort writing a few text stroking the Op ego......it wasn't that big a deal and she likely does it for several guys to see if she can get them to invest.

[-] MrCongeniality1 3 Points 2 months ago

Maybe his frame is less than impeccable, but the bulk of his post was a useful illustration of female behavior, and the responses were a bit on the shitty side.

To the OP's point, yes a woman needs you for validation, so catching your desire and being able to say (to herself and others) that you still want her may absolutely have been her only motive.

[-] awalt_cupcake 2 Points 2 months ago

To the OP's point, yes a woman needs you for validation, so catching your desire and being able to say (to herself and others) that you still want her may absolutely have been her only motive.

That's a perspective I hadn't thought of. That would make more sense actually. A lot less spite, more just validation. Jokes on her I fuck any woman willing to put out.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

Oh yeah never learned my lesson. Going back for thirds. Wish me luck.

I'll need it after my ego is shattered into a million pieces again.

[-] illimit_ableman 6 Points 2 months ago

I think people are telling him to work on his frame on a deeper level and not so much because this girl did X action which had X reaction or whatever.

I think here at TRP we focus a bit much on doing things because of and for women/the sexual strategy and not enough on doing things because they help us become better men/human beings.

Its obvious to many posters in this thread that OP got an ego boost from this drawn out interaction and once she pulled the rug from him, his ego was bruised. The internal frame is what needs touching up here.

THAT is the frame touching up that needs to be done. The self introspection to always ask “why?” and to apply the answers of that question to your life. Ego while good in some scenarios, can also cause the fall of a man and has many times before.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

OP got an ego boost from this drawn out interaction and once she pulled the rug from him

you can't disagree it's kind of neat

[-] illimit_ableman 1 Point 2 months ago

Is this towards me or? You posted that response 18 hours ago, I have other things I do in life besides check reddit. What is it exactly i can’t disagree with/you’re disputing?

[-] awalt_cupcake 2 Points 2 months ago

> Ignore all of these idiots telling you "hurrr if you bothered posting about it, your frame sux"

I've been on here... 3 years now? This sub has ironically gotten toxic. It used to be about sharing experiences new or old and receiving wise advice from senior members. Lots of gold nuggets. Less critics.

Young men don't meet up anymore and discuss their experiences in life or women. This is the only source of fresh perspective I get besides my own. I'll keep sharing new things until this sub gets banned everyone else be damned.

[-] exit_sandman 13 Points 2 months ago

I believe women are starting to know about this forum/lifestyle and are picking up on what we know to be "good girls" [...] What I mean is I have a sneaky suspicion some modern girls are stalking/profiling us.

That sounds pretty far-fetched and, to be honest, more than just a bit paranoid.

Not saying that women don't attempt to uphold the image of a high quality partner, and actually manage to display the correct traits, but that they've managed to find some obscure sub-forum on some internet site doesn't sound that likely.

[-] MrCongeniality1 8 Points 2 months ago

Redpill isn't that obscure anymore. There is a documentary about it, it gets written up about in a lot of feminist/girl-blogs.

If women weren't instinctively driven to worry over what men are thinking and engage in social mobbing to dominate the conversation, we wouldn't have most aspects of feminism and this forum wouldn't be quarantined.

[-] superyute 5 Points 2 months ago

no no no.

the sub is quarantined mostly because of the orbiters on safeguarding duty, out to protect the "best interests" of these women.

most women dont have a goddamn clue mate. you're giving them too much credit.

a simple trek outside will open your eyes to all this

[-] MrCongeniality1 0 Points 2 months ago

I don't imagine most women are lurking on TRP. I do think it's a reasonable possibility that the OP may have encountered a woman that had exposure to the "manosphere."

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

Not true. Lots of self proclaimed women are showing up in tons of our post comments these days (I report every single one lol) TRP makes front page. Women are on the internet too. We even have/had a subreddit for TRP women. A few women I knew have even brought up TRP in discussion. We have a movie on it now. More women know than you think.

EDIT: We fucked. Since for some reason you think we didn't.

Copy n pasted from a similar comment

[-] VolatileEnemy 1 Point 2 months ago

When women read this kind of forum... they understand what a "player" is. They then have detectors for it, to avoid those that "pump and dump" which is exactly what you did.

If you showed interest, and weren't just pump-and-dump, then she wouldn't be against you. You just said you fucked her. Women are hard to get rid of once they fuck you. So her texting you for months, is not her trying to play you or trick you. She probably just wanted a relationship. If she was being a little "hard to get" or "cautious" to see if you chase back, she was trying to ensure that you are actually interested in her long-term, rather than a pump-and-dumper.

The female strategy is just to avoid pump-and-dump assholes. Their strategy is for long-term usually.

Any TRPer trying a constant strategy of "pump-and-dump" will eventually face problems with women of a different kind: where they can't get repeats, where they are dumped for being a player, where they are "tricked" into a relationship through deception, or where they are actually really really tricked into a relationship through evil tactics.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

> If she was being a little "hard to get" or "cautious" to see if you chase back, she was trying to ensure that you are actually interested in her long-term, rather than a pump-and-dumper.

I never chase. You're right she wanted me to chase. I don't. It's never gone well.

> will eventually face problems with women of a different kind: where they can't get repeats, where they are dumped for being a player

I'm vibing real hard with this it is accurate where I am in my journey so I know you're speaking the truth. I'm hardly one now. I was for sure a year ago. But I haven't changed my discipline and the girls I do meet and get involved with drop the "player" tease on me.

[-] JamesSkepp 0 Points 2 months ago

That sounds pretty far-fetched and, to be honest, more than just a bit paranoid.

It's not. Had a fake FB profile a few years back. Which of them silly wenches has interest in "interdimensional astrophysics" if her entire social media presence compromises of pictures of her boobs or ass in various locations over the world?

[-] MentORPHEUS 9 Points 2 months ago

Yes, a woman absolutely WILL run a Long Game for the sole purpose of completely unproductive and even self-destructive revenge.

It can be risky to address head on, as she's usually primed her social matrix with lies and stories about you.

A Verbal Judo response can work best; deflecting her attack so she exhausts the force of it away from you. This will usually help observers determine that SHE is, in fact, the crazy one. A strong and direct response by the man in this case is more easily interpreted as confirming her claims about him.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

hey necroing this comment real quick because of some updates. I have been gaming other girls but naturally this one sticks out because of the bizarre behavior. I never did hear back from her after she claimed "she would never give up trying".

Recently on social media she's changed her profile. It's hard to believe but she has not been a materialistic girl which is why I liked her. She was raised right. Now she has a new profile all dolled up with fake nails. This is completely out of character for her. I think it's amazing some mid-twenties girl decides now she wants to become a basic bitch hoe.

I feel like this is just proof that she was running long game after all to "get back" at me. Which makes no sense because I never did her dirty. I saw other women sure but she never acted right enough to be anything more than that. She's a great candidate for r-nicegirls subreddit imo lol

Are there any other indicators for women running these Long Revenge Games?

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

Oh man this should be higher up in the comments. This is why I prefer indirection when I soft next. The sub disagrees but pick your battles.

[-] RedDespair 3 Points 2 months ago

Their solipsistic nature makes them delusional.

You shouldn't be surprised. Like Patrice said, they are just goofy

[-] LeonBarosanul 3 Points 2 months ago

I think this might be one of the reasons why it's extremely important to not open up too much to a girl. For example you might let your anti feminist feelings come open to early, she might use it later to get into your good grace, (ie play you on the long term), like making herself some 'attacks' on this ideology. Or she might find out that your father is an alcoholic and you don't like him, and attack you that you are just like him when you slip (yes it happened to me, but i knew this was an attack and brushed it off like a boss).

If she finds out that you like/dislike something in particular, she might start "liking"/"disliking" that as well. She might be playing the nice girl act, only to be fiercely loyal to her own agenda, tooling you around.

On the flipside she might genuinely agree with you, or disagree with civility, it's up to you to vet her properly. You can just throw some chum once in a while and see how fast she bites, and how honest she responds to it, if how she molds to your preferences. This is our version of a shit test, it's mischievous and you might get important intel, or just have fun with it.

You have the right to remain silent. Everything you say may and will be used against you.

[-] BurnoutRS 3 Points 2 months ago

Women infiltrate male spaces predominantly as a means of stopping men from having discussions revolving around male sexual strategy, and also to stop men from having discussions revolving around male sexual strategy without a concerned female mediator there interject some lovely counterpoints and make sure the men dont get the upperhand.

If TRP is the leading edge of male sexual strategy, then this subreddit is the pokergame all the women are trying to get their boyfriends to invite them to.

[-] jonpe87 1 Point 2 months ago

I think you didnt understand solipsism, once you understand it the level of egoism that you will wait from a woman go to 100%, and this feels like freedom, you don't have to worry anymore about this girl maybe being a litle more good. You know that everything she does have a self benefit behind, and its not that she is evil, its just solipsism. Its not even egoism, because egoism necessitates you to be selfaware that there is the "other", there is a choice, in solipsism there is only the self and the emotional state of the self.

[-] shaunzorr 1 Point 2 months ago

Never completely trust a woman, especially one you're just getting to know regardless of what they tell you.

Whether they are tricking you or actually 'believe' they hate feminism are a good girl etc it's all ego-identification. Just like someone who buys a prius to save the environment but still flicks there cigarette butts out the window lol.

[-] [deleted] 1 Point 2 months ago

I'm impressed. You wrote all that and still didn't manage to say anything.

These posts don't offer any value to anyone, and you keep feeling the need to reassure us that women are throwing themselves at you. Who are you trying to convince?

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[-] tempolaca 1 Point 2 months ago

"she knew exactly what to say"

Don't listen what a women says, look what she does.

modern girls are stalking/profiling us.

Yes, if they are smart. And you should do the same to them.

[-] awalt_cupcake 1 Point 2 months ago

Women are not social savvy. I've had girls try to flirt with me and they are laughably horrible. One girl tried to hit on me and opened with, I kid you not, a quip on how men and women are different but complimentary. She ended on a note like she put a cherry on a sundae. She was so sure she had it. I couldn't help but laugh.

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[-] TheOneWhoDidntCum 0 Points 2 months ago

girls losing control... who would've thought... where's my CD ... girl gone bad 2

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