http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/29/us/affluenza-teen-ethan-couch-detained-in-mexico/
Most of you have probably seen or at least heard about the story breaking over the last 24 hours, and that is the case of the "Affluenza Boy" being detained in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. I find this case, and particularly the media circus surrounding it, to be interesting, and it has led me to make two different observations that one could only make with a Red-Pill mindset.
First, a brief background on this case, courtesy of Wikipedia (emphasis mine):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch
Ethan Anthony Couch (born April 11, 1997) is an American who made national headlines at age 16 when he was prosecuted as a juvenile and convicted of four counts of intoxication manslaughter for recklessly driving drunk on June 15, 2013 in Burleson, Texaswhere he was speeding, lost control of his vehicle, plowed into a gathering of pedestrians and struck a parked car. Four people were killed and nine others injured, two suffering serious bodily injury as a result of the collision.[3]
In December 2013, Judge Jean Hudson Boyd sentenced Couch to 10 years of probation and subsequently ordered him to therapy at a long-term, in-patient facility,[4] after his attorneys successfully argued that the teen suffered from "affluenza" and needed rehabilitation instead of prison.
Observation 1: We now have an official name, a pseudo-psychiatric mental health term for what happens when boys are raised in the same entitled manner as girls: "Affluenza". Basically, the entire framework of this kids defense was, well....he was raised in the same manner as a girl: spoilt, entitled, lauded upon, encouraged in all endeavors (good and bad); essentially, well...devoid of all agency and accountability.
Does this sound like a certain gender we all know?
Anybody following the case knows this was basically the crux of the defense:
"Well, your honor, my client is a 16-year old entitled brat, and hasn't been held accountable for his actions up until now, so why should we start holding him accountable now?"
And guess what? The female judge agreed with the defense, and sentenced her him in the same manner that Judge Boyd would probably sentence her next door neighbor's daughter who happened to plow over and kill 4 people: 10 years supervised probation time, no prison time. Not a shortened sentence, not even the symbolic "suspended sentence" (which is where the judge at least announces a fake prison sentence before letting the offender walk out the front door). No, he got ZERO prison sentence.
Which leads me to my next observation:
Observation 2: When a young boy receives the ever-coveted Pussy Pass that is usually exclusively reserved for actual vagina operators, society loses its collective shit. What happened in this case really isn't anything all that remarkable; an entitled child used their entitled status to afford themselves pardon in the eyes of the criminal justice system. The only difference here is the protected class involved: rich male child (raised like an entitled girl) instead of just being an attractive young girl.
And now, society is even more shocked and appalled when young Miss Mister Ethan Couch, who just pulled off the male equivalent of flashing tits to get out of a speeding ticket, decides to celebrate his newly-found but ill-gotten favoritism the same way any college floozy would...
...he runs off to Mexico with his equally floozy mother for beer pong, pool parties, and just a general "Fuck You" to the same justice system that sucked his dick, and by the way, let's all rub it in everybody's face by having a big going away party before bolting for the land of Coronas and bad female Spring Break decisions.
It's going to be pretty interesting to see how women and feminists react to this whole fiasco. I mean, here's case where a young boy was finally treated the same way a young girl would be treated after plowing over and murdering four people. And now, after he runs off to Mexico in possession of the wrong genitals, now they are going to nail him to the wall and remind him to check his privilege.
After all, I suppose if you're rich enough, you can use your family's money to buy one Pussy Pass, but push your luck, and it's off to the land of regrets and dropped soaps.
BluepillProfessor 8y ago
The kids mother divorced dad in 2006. Want to bet there was parental alienation? Dad is a multi-millionaire who is reported on CNN to have threatened to "buy the school" when little Ethan got in trouble at school (specifically he was caught in a car at school with a naked, unconscious female student).
Want to also bet dad saw this kid one weekend a month? I am suspicious beause they are hiding something again. I can feel it.
The dad is also reported by CNN to have complained repeatedly about the mother indulging the kid and letting him do whatever he wants. The Dad kicked out the kid from his house and went to court multiple times against the custodial mother.
So naturally CNN reports that "both parents" are obviously "terrible." How is that for "balanced reporting?"
Ethan Crouch raised by a single mom and a mostly absent father. So put upon because his mommy gets all those millions of $$$ in child support. Want to bet?
TLDR: Gynocentrism permeates all or...entitled divorced and single mommies raise up entitled little bastards. Change custody laws in the West.
Merwebb 8y ago
And here i was thinking affluenza was some sort of flu, like avian flu or something
yonderposerbreaks 8y ago
I'm sorry, but don't lump this piece of shit in with "women". Most women don't go around killing four people and injuring nine others while underage drinking and driving. Actually, neither do most men. So don't put him in with "people". He's a rich douche canoe with rich douche canoe parents who paid off a douche canoe judge.
vicious_armbar 8y ago
Dude is obviously a scumbag. Lets hope he od's on coke soon; or gets shanked by an inmate while in Mexico. Then I won't have to hear about him anymore. Spoiled shits who get away with this type of crap start thinking they're untouchable, then their luck runs out. Just ask Joran Van Der Sloot.
rurpe 8y ago
The media has fooled you and whipped you and others into a frenzy through half truths and misleading evidence. Probation is common and standard FOR MINORS convicted of intoxication manslaughter regardless of race\gender\etc in Texas. Had he been in the process of committing another felony, like another case the same judge presided over, he would have gotten jail time.
[deleted] 8y ago
This fucker was rich. High father lackys regularly hire and fire people on his behalf for the good of the business. His rich parents used their power to protect their worthless son. People have right biatch about some rich shit head, living on daddy's dime, killing 4 people only getting probation. Because of that privileged position people will want them held to a higher standard. 10 years min in solitary with daddy footing the bill.
I'm an immigrant's son, an outsider in my country of birth and my parents homeland. In knew if I fucked up in the slightest, the hammer drops much harder on me than on anybody else and my folks would likely be out of a job for long time. Life ain't fair, as a result I learned to be careful, distant and sometimes ruthless in my dealings with people.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
I don't care about the court politics. To be able to end four lives and ruin a bunch of others, and not see the business end of a jail cell for any amount of time, is ridiculous.
rurpe 8y ago
This is due to Texas laws. It was covered extensively when it first happened. The media is baiting you with lies and half truths.
MuhTriggersGuise 8y ago
OP wasn't saying he approved, just that the affluenza kid didn't really get different treatment than other minors for similar crimes in the state in which he was charged. It isn't a personal attack on you, and it isn't approval of what happened.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
That makes it even worse. If minors in Texas are routinely getting probation in lieu of juvenile detention for homicide cases, then the problem is even worse than I thought. No wonder gang-bangers are repeat offenders.
MuhTriggersGuise 8y ago
He was charged with manslaughter, not homicide.
[deleted] 8y ago
really? They won't. cis scum killing other cis scum. have him get away with regret sex and you'll see a reaction.
Probably best if you stay away from taboild news, it promotes an unhealthy mindset to things
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
You consider CNN to be tabloid news? Or the story? Because I consider the story to be pretty significant based on the legal precedent it sets.
[deleted] 8y ago
worse, at least tabloids can entertain.
Assuming 100% of the stories importance, I still wouldn't trust CNN to report it in a way to garner any value for me.
through_a_ways 8y ago
CNN has been tabloid news for a few years now.
rurpe 8y ago
There was no legal precedent set. Neither the judge nor the jury bought the "affluenza" defense. He was convicted. His punishment was well within the guidelines for other minors convicted of similar crimes in texas.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
So 16 year olds can routinely plow over and murder people with vehicles and routinely get off with probation in the state of Texas? Sheesh. In the off chance I ever have kids, I know where I'm moving.
rurpe 8y ago
This was covered extensively by lots of people when it first happened: Texas laws are apparently really fucked up when dealing with minors and\or alcohol. If he was 17, he could have been classified as an "adult minor" with full punishment.
This is legal bullshit and has nothing to do with TRP.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
Sure it does. The actual legal consequences in Texas are tangent to the point I'm making, which is that this entitled little brat and his handlers actually tried to use "Affluenza" as a mitigating circumstance to quadruple vehicular homicide. It was the a rare time I've seen a male escape almost complete consequences for his actions.
rurpe 8y ago
A serial killer tried to blame Twinkies in the 70s. People try all kinds of stupid shit. No one bought it. It was not a valid defense and it did nothing for his case. It was a complete distortion of psychology and it didn't fool any professional.
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JP_Whoregan 8y ago
Well, if it wasn't the "Affluenza" defense that mitigated his sentence in the eyes of the judge, and it is, as you propose, standard legal precedent in Texas to completely eliminate all jail time for minors in case of homicide, then that's even more disturbing.
rurpe 8y ago
It wasn't homicide. And texas does not eliminate jail time for minors for crimes. The media got you emotional. Use facts to discuss the case: his lawyers tried a stupid defense and he received the maximum sentence.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
Yes. Yes it was. "Homicide" is any action that one human being does to cause another human being not to live anymore. "Homicide" does not mean "murder" or "manslaughter", but it is "homicide". 4 humans died as a result of this kid's driving. That is homicide.
You just told me they did. That if the kid was 17 and not 16, he could be charged as a "minor adult" and get jail time. Make up your mind.
Now you're talking out of your ass and making Ad Hominems.
I am using the facts. A 16 year old drunk kid plowed over 5 people and killed 4 of them whilst they were in a disabled vehicle on the side of the road, and the defense attempted to use the child's affluent upbringing as a valid criminal defense. None of that is untrue.
MattyAnon Admin 8y ago
To absolve this child of murder is to blame the parents.
Fine.... imprison the parents then.
[deleted] 8y ago
b-but one of them is a mother. Let's just imprison the father.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
That's my stance; accountability should never be absolved, it should at least be re-placed. The kid had a coddled upbringing by supplicating parents? Fine, put the parents in prison.
mikesteane 8y ago
No the kid should be held responsible. Parents then learn that bringing a child up without responsibility does him no favours.
favours_of_the_moon 8y ago
They didn't shame him or drug him into submission in lieu of an actual "education."
[deleted] 8y ago
Number one reason why he got away with it.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
Well, that and money. Lots and lots of mommy and daddy's money.
Sdom1 8y ago
It reminds me of the scene in Kingpin where Bill Murray says "I'm finally above the law. I can buy my way out of anything!"
The_Red_Paw 8y ago
I just wonder how big the bribe they paid to the judge was.
rurpe 8y ago
He got away with it because he was a minor and Texas routinely gives out probation to minors who commit intoxication manslaughter.
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rurpe 8y ago
He was prosecuted to fullest extent of the law. He was convicted. The sentencing was in line with similar cases of minors.
KantianQuack 8y ago
Please provide evidence of any other similar Texan conviction in recent years among other races. You keep spouting this shit off without any evidence.
rurpe 8y ago
http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/editorials/article3840320.html
Also http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100814-Many-Dallas-County-drivers-found-to-2024.ece
GraphicSeniorNudity 8y ago
Cool.
But then there's this 20 year sentence from her to a kid who killed 1 person.
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article3840394.html
rurpe 8y ago
He stole a truck which is a felony and was tried as an adult. Big difference in the eyes of the law.
toalysium 8y ago
Intoxication manslaughter is a 2nd degree felony, so I don't think that was the deciding factor.
More likely it was the fact that he was poor as shit. While it may not matter much about the outcome for a simple possession charge or a regular DUI if someone is trying to fight more complex charges with an appointed attorney there is a stark difference in outcomes based on how good a defense they can pay for.
rurpe 8y ago
For adults. And Adult Minors. And minors tried as adults. Minors often receive lesser sentences.
He also ran from the scene. And had priors. Couch also pleaded guilty and Miller was convicted by a jury.
You need to look at all the facts of the cases. They were different because the circumstances of each were different.
GraphicSeniorNudity 8y ago
his dad's truck. Felony is pushing it.
rurpe 8y ago
No. He stole a truck at the gas station. Read the article.
Sdom1 8y ago
It should be called the "Spoiled Little Cunt" defense.
"Your honor, my client is a spoiled little cunt. He was given whatever he wanted as a child and never had to develop a sense of boundaries. Thus, he shouldn't be held responsible for anything he does."
It's so insane that a liberal judge is sure to go for it.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
I find it particularly ironic, because this "Affluenza" is literally the exact opposite defense used by poor people, i.e., "your honor, my client grew up in a troubled home with no father and an alcoholic single mother, and led a disadvantaged, poor childhood."
And that defense never seems to work.
LosingMoneyAllDay 8y ago
Best comment in the thread. The poor are demonized for being "lazy and entitled". Although there is some truth to that, when you have cases like this go public, it's hard to reach a consensus. This verdict furthers the victim mentality of people who would rather make excuses than make something of themselves. The rabbit hole gets deeper.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Celebrities do this all the time.
The first offense makes everyone laugh and say "how cool".
The second offense starts to develop a picture that says the celebrity is out of control.
The third offense triggers a mandatory clamp down and some actual jail time.
...so my guess is this guy probably still gets away with this second offense which really was nothing more than enjoying himself too much. (violating some probation rule)
Three Strikes is when it's serious.
Cyralea 8y ago
It's interesting that you bring up celebrities as an example. There is a reason why they get off scott free for many egregious crimes (like DUI's) whereas another individual would face serious jail time: value.
Celebrities have high value, and bring value to society (whether or not you agree that they should be valued is irrelevant). When your value is high, people who have a vested interest in your continued success will do what they can to catch you when you fall.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
Well, he was ordered to not drink alcohol while on probation, and fleeing the country without approval from his probation officer is a pretty big offense. It's not like he just took a stroll over to Vegas for a weekend at the Baccarat table.
NeoreactionSafe 8y ago
Yeah but think of that as a rule.
A young guy not being allowed to party?
I mean I get the fact that his first offense was a drunk driving accident, but he wasn't driving this time, just drinking.
Hard to predict where it goes.
Remember this drama with Lindsay Lohan:
http://pagesix.com/2015/05/07/lindsay-lohan-could-go-back-to-jail/
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
Lindsay Lohan didn't kill anybody; this guy murdered four people and paralyzed a fifth from the neck down. Big difference.
But yes, a young guy not allowed to party. In damn near all 50 states, DUI is a jailable misdemeanor, and in exchange for getting probation instead of jail, a condition is usually that you consume no alcohol during the time you are on probation.
This kid probably belongs nowhere near alcohol anyways; at his small size, his BAC at time of arrest was north of .24; he shouldn't have been able to stand let alone drive a car.
r1215p 8y ago
Apparently, there were 7 passengers who deemed him capable of driving. Doesn't really fit with the narrative of a spoiled wealthy monster doing otherwise unthinkable things due to his entitlement.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
I'm 34 years old and no rookie to the party game. I'm sure everybody involved convinced him he was "ok bro". 7 drunk friends does not equal a breathalyzer. Let's get real here.
r1215p 8y ago
I don't see those 7 prosecuted, we count them as victims. That's my issue with this drama.
We find a poor unlucky schmuck doing what thousands did and millions encouraged, make him into devil incarnate and ritually sacrifice him to appease the gods of public opinion and feelgoodaboutmyselfesness.
MuhTriggersGuise 8y ago
I don't think you understand how probation orders work. If he breaks the order, he can now be ordered to serve the jail time he was supposed to be serving instead of probation. It isn't that this is a "new offense", it's that he may be punished more for his "old offense" because he isn't doing what they said. The deal is "we won't punish you hard if you do what we say, but if you stop doing what we say, we'll lay it into you".
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
For the first time in this thread, some goddamn sense. I sense TRP user base getting younger and younger. This is exactly what probations means; do what we tell you for the next 6/12/24 months, and if you don't, you will see the jail cell you didn't want to see in the first place. And for DUI, those condions are usually:
A very good friend of mine went through this debacle. People think "probation" is just a get out of jail free card.
MuhTriggersGuise 8y ago
This. It's becoming less and less about accepting the way of the world, and more and more about kids trying to practice gimmicks to get laid. I can't tell you how often I've noticed threads that start "So I swallowed the pill 3 days ago, and now I'm totally alpha. But none of my female highschool classmates will blow me yet. What should I do TRP?"
combatmechanic 8y ago
+1, This place use to be about bad ass philosophy, now I have to read 1/2 a page of how little jonny is trying to finger bang old mary rotten crouch through her pretty pink panties, and don't get me wrong young boys should have a place to go and talk about sexual strategies, I just wish it wasn't here. ok, blast away :)
whycantitalktogirls 8y ago
Why? TRP is a place for discussion of sexual strategy. Or is it specifically the boys part that irks you?
divorcedbp 8y ago
The one happy resolution to this is that there is literally no way he will escape prison now. The estimates I've seen are anywhere around 10 years, but theoretically he could get 40. After the public outcry after his original sentence, there's no way he's not getting the max this time.
This little shit is an utterly ruined and unfixable waste, and we are all better off with him in prison. As a bonus, his child-in-an-adult-body mom is also in trouble, but I'll be shocked if she gets serious time - the pussy pass is still ever present.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
She will get the same probation term her bitch boy son got the first time around. As for the kid, well...I really hope he practices holding soap tightly between now and sentencing. Like I said, money isn't gonna buy him a second Pussy Pass, and the soft female judge from the original sentence is since retired.
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JP_Whoregan 8y ago
It depends. He is a legal adult now. He violated probation as an adult, and some legal sqwakers seem to think he may get the quadruple manslaughter charges he should've got in the first place. Will be interesting.
With all of the national attention on this right now, I doubt he gets off with a heinie spank like he's been getting his whole life.
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JP_Whoregan 8y ago
The DA doesn't know what the judge is gonna do. If they move his probation to the adult arena, he's fucked. If they keep it juvenile, he'll serve 4 months in juvenile detention for killing 4 people and maiming 7 others.
big_foam_shocker 8y ago
Wrong. Even if they move him to adult probation, his little jaunt to Mexico happened while he was still under the juvenile system. The max he will see in a cell is about 120 days, and then he starts his remaining 8 years of adult probation with a clean slate. Then, if he messes up again he will be do some real time.
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
I've been considering writing a piece about how much of what is though to be "female" nature, is in fact the nature of the privileged.
No sense of honor
High psychopathy
Greediness
Hypergamy aside, I'd estimate that "female" traits are roughly speaking about 80% due to their dominant social position and only about 20% due to their biology.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
I think it's a simple Venn Diagram where the "Privileged" circle vastly overlaps with the "Female" circle. The differences are two-fold:
Men have to buy their privilege; and by "buy" I mean not only with money, but also charisma, social proof, power, and influence. Women, conversely, are usually granted their privilege as a birthright, so long as they aren't a bitch and they don't get too fat.
[deleted] 8y ago
I don't think they'd care even if they knew how it harmed those people.
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[deleted] 8y ago
I was raised with money.
I'm not especially feminine.
Do you hang out with a lot of millionaires or would this be a guess of what we're like?
[deleted] 8y ago
You don;t have to be a millionaire or billionaire to be privilidged, they are just the most obvious ones. 160K USD per year in some parts of the country is enough to spoil a a stay at home wife and spoil a teen aged daughter to the same level of "privileged" attitude. The better looking the more privileged.
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
It's damn interesting the way you put it. Trying to reverse the perspective on privilege and women, let's pose the interesting question: are the rich feminine?
I'll be provocative here. It seems that yes, they are, in a particular aspect. It is hidden in that little word you use, "we".
Women are a clique. A world-wide clique. They will support female privilege at the expense of a human universality. And it seems there is a hormonal drive towards this. Oxytocin, the "bonding" hormone, which is used as a fuel by the female brain more than the typical male, has been found to have a "dark side":
Oxytocin boosts dishonesty. "It can hinder trust, reduce cooperation, or trigger negative feelings like envy and schadenfreude.". It promotes tribal behavior.
It is not by coincidence that almost all philosophers, that is people that have tried to universalize human experience, to define what constitutes humanity, are men, not women.
So yeah, the rich, to the degree that they identify with "their own" and promote their in-groups interests, are exhibiting a behavior that is based and driven by female hormones.
[deleted] 8y ago
You're not seriously arguing that any usage of the word "we" implies feminine cliquishness. We can refer to groups I hate like millennials or groups I love that aren't especially cliquish like red pillers. It can refer to anything.
This has got to be a joke. Any group can have in-group preferences from TRP, to skateboarders, to soldiers, to blacks, to mutes. Do you think that merely being a group makes a group feminine? Advancing universal principles to single out one group is downright insane.
Do you seriously not see the fallacy here? That is like if I said "Elephants have the same nature as candles because they both consume an energy source." People would seriously wonder why I'd pick "elephants" and "candles" when any number of things could have been thrown in.
Not to mention, where the hell are you getting this idea that female nature comes from oxytocin? If women and men had identical brains, they'd still act (mostly) like they do now because the way they act now is an optimal and successful sexual strategy based on their position as sexually scarce but with a low potential number of babies. If I'm playing a game of chess then I don't need to look at my opponent's brain in order to know what moves they'll consider. I just look at the board and see what makes sense to do. Same shit with sexual strategy and male/female nature.
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Of course not. I was referring to "we rich".
I think you don't adequately appreciate the effects of biology, and particularly hormones, in behavior (you can check out Sapolsky's course on-line, for a full primer.)
The idea is that for some behaviors, hormones (and hormone receptors in the male or female brain) make all the difference. I'll bring the example of testosterone and sexuality. Women that underwent hormone treatment for sex change, got to realize the male perspective on sexuality, as a "red haze of lust" - what we men have been encumbered with for all our lives.
Now these are tentative conclusions of mine, but it seems that the same way testosterone practically defines sexuality, oxytocin defines a tribal behavior - so a fundamental lack of a universal human consciousness.
[deleted] 8y ago
And how's it any different from any other we?
Last year I had a very interesting conversation with a man who was begging me for money. He was fresh out of a maximum security prison and I offered to buy his story. He told me a lot about consensual sex in prison. There are some men who are big and strong. Other men are small weak, and usually neotenous, if you see where this is going.
The small men cannot protect themselves or secure their property. A large number of them resort to sucking dick for money. They're judged for their youth, their outside healthiness, etc. Being newer to prison, they're less likely to be diseased, which is a big deal. They try to get commitment from larger men because a larger man protecting you all day is the best that blowjobs can buy. Larger men, would rather fuck all the fish but don't want to go with the ones who sleep around, because of their disease and how pathetic you look defending a guy who fucks others.
Being an avid reader of TRP, I asked him a lot of questions about the prison SMP to see how it lines up with the real world from a TRP lens. It lines up pretty well if you just substitute "small guy" for woman and "large guy" for man. Those men had the same hormones that we do. They still adopted a near match to female sexual strategy. Hormones, like alcohol or THC, do matter, but they're not the whole story. The story is strategy.
adam-l Endorsed Contributor 8y ago
Not all "we's" are created equal. There is usually one "we", (or two, or three at maximum), that are hugely ego-invested into, they form a core identity for the individual.
I would relate the idea of Dunbar's number, here - as an analogue, not that it matches exactly the case: The more evolved a primate's brain (neocortex), the bigger number of individuals in the social groups it forms. (For humans it is around 150).
In that sense, humans are unique in the animal kingdom in that they process the mental capacity to form the sense of humanity, which is the largest possible "social group".
To the extent that something (oxytocin, socialization, etc) limits the breadth of this perception, it can be said that it sets humans back to a less developed evolutionary stage. Some humans are more sub-humans than others.
Now, your story from the prison is very interesting. The notions you are describing, of socialization defining sexual roles, would be bread and butter for the progressives of the '70s and '80s - and they are of course true. It is admirable, in my opinion, that you have ended up with these, since you are coming from a conservative thought tradition. I guess you would be the only Donald Trump supporter acknowledging them!
I, on the other hand, am coming from the opposite bank: let's call it radical progressivism. For me, it was exciting to find out that biology, after all, did play a part in behavior. And that the sexes are fundamentally different.
We are probably both "bending the stick" towards the other direction, just from different starting positions. That said, the question of how much it is "nature vs nurture" is still an open issue, even in scientific circles. The right position in this issue, if of course mine :)
In any case, I think that for the generally conservative framework of TRP you and I will more often than not on the same side, arguing against biological determinism.
[deleted] 8y ago
What I said was directly contrary to progressive theories. These men weren't socialized to act like women. You missed the entire point of my comment.
What the fuck?
[deleted] 8y ago
In high school I sold alcohol to this other rich girl. People found out and they were actually considering charging ME with giving alcohol to a minor. No mention of her for willingly accepting it, asking for it, or anything..
My dad was law enforcement so he talked to ATF guy and got me out of it. But they were seriously gonna just charge the male. Money isn't as good as the pussy pass unless you have TONS of it.
[deleted] 8y ago
You sold to a minor of course they wanted to charge you. Minors and teen aged girls especially will roll over on you like a lap dog to save their own ass. Risk reward was not worth it hoped you learned your lesson
[deleted] 8y ago
I definitely did, but I was also a minor.
[deleted] 8y ago
In peoples minds the seller is at fault and you are a male selling to a teen aged girl.
It took me a long time to really figure out life ain't fair and how to use it to my advantage. Once I learned those lessons life became easier ironically because you learn to work the system and have it work for you.
[deleted] 8y ago
I know but like if they proved I sold it to her, she still took it willingly, she would have to be charged no? I know it's fucking infuriating though.
[deleted] 8y ago
Under a strict application of the law she should be. In reality it would be unlikely. Life gets easier when you internalize "life ain't fair" and use it to your advantage. You will still get kicked in the nuts from time to time, you can avoid a lot of stupidity. People will fuck with you less because you know how to roll with the punches and know how to hit back, it's not some karma thing, it will show in your demeanor.
[deleted] 8y ago
No it's not. They're gonna say he needs to be held accountable, this is male privilege ect ect ect. Despite girls getting this treatment CONSTANTLY.
WakandaDrama 8y ago
Fuck him Fuck his mother Fuck the judge Fuck the DA
If that were a black dude or mexican, his face would be plastered on the highway with his prison term as an example. People go to jail for longer for coke possession.
I cant see him getting of this time. Too many probation violations. They substance test you when you go to probation or out patient program. And he fled the country by having a going away party?
He better join up with the Aryan Brotherhood first day inside. Might not stop dudes from trying to swipe his Pussy Pass though. Lol, good luck fuck boy
MuhTriggersGuise 8y ago
I have never seen a black or mexican have their face plastered on a highway as an example. Where the fuck do you live?
WakandaDrama 8y ago
Mid Atlantic United States. Lots of high school drunk driving deaths, during prom and Memorial Day weekends those kinds of ads spring up. Current campaign is "You just blew $10000, give us your car broke idiot."
On the new digital billboards, they will have the state's top 10 most wanted. Car jacking in my state was a huge problem, for awhile they had the mug shot and prison term of a dude who killed someone in the jacking. 25 years is not worth the joyride.
rurpe 8y ago
Probation for intoxication manslaugher for minors is common in Texas. Had he been an adult or in the process of committing another felony, he would be in jail
WakandaDrama 8y ago
I thought Texas was tough on crime. I had a homie sit in jail for 3 months graffiti down there in high school, but kid can kill 4, injure 7, all while being 3 times the limit. Should have charged him as an adult like they do hood kids.
rurpe 8y ago
Apparently not. And your friend likely sat in jail because he couldn't post bail.
WakandaDrama 8y ago
Lol the judge denied him bail. Criminal mischief and some other looney charge.
rurpe 8y ago
You need higher quality friends.
WakandaDrama 8y ago
I'm not afraid to associate with anyone. I know people who work at Nike and Adidas, I also know fools who live off the land and still ride freights. As long as you're not using or selling heroin or killing people, no complaints from me. That being said, many "high quality" people dabble in the underworld. Bet you never met a coke selling slum lord cop
rurpe 8y ago
No because I don't associate with shitheads.
Cyralea 8y ago
For all their talk of privilege, it's really amazing how little women give deference to their own. Being absolved of responsibility for nearly everything you do would be pretty fucking fantastic.
I'm curious to hear the spin feminists put on this one.
Diabolical_Nuke 8y ago
Playing a bit of Devil's Advocate here but, do we have evidence of this happening to a regular, good looking girl who wasn't rich?
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It's actually quite a stunning move on the lawyers' part; they took the Oppression Olympics and turned them into the Privileged Proving Grounds. Looks like it turned out to be the perfect strategy for a female judge.
His parents sure did one hell of a lousy job raising him.
Stories_of_Red 8y ago
I am surprised family members have not avenged the dead. That is usually what happens when courts become a joke and people are still people: blood feuds return.
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r1215p 8y ago
I don't buy into the hysteria. Affluenza was a defense strategy, he could just as likely be an average kid - underdeveloped forethought being a norm.
While it seems his parents did a pretty lousy job raising him, I can admire how they didn't let their kid get fucked by the legal system. Which was their greatest offence - how dare they do something we can't!
Actually, the witch hunt was so strong, I have yet to see evidence alcohol was relevant as a cause of the accident. Meaning the road hazard was visible and actually avoidable if sober. I don't like people who drive under the influence, but it doesn't make them literally hitler.
TI69 8y ago
"a blood alcohol content of 0.24, three times the legal limit for adult drivers in Texas"
yeah okay. alcohol probably didn't have anything to do with the accident.
and the way his millionaire mommy and daddy (the lawyers their money bought, rather) "didn't let their kid get fucked up the legal system" is hardly admirable. their kid wasn't going to "get fucked" by the legal system. he killed 4 people and proceeded to drop a huge, smelly dookie all over the legal system. it's disgusting that they were able to win with this 'affluenza' defense and the kid faced almost no repercussions, not admirable.
r1215p 8y ago
Alcohol content doesn't tell you anything. Broken-down cars standing on the road get hit even when no alcohol is involved.
Concerning parents vs. legal system, 20 years later, he would leave prison a worse person and you know it. Even if parents failed to turn him around, at least they tried. Better then other who call the cops to raise their kids for them.
JP_Whoregan 8y ago
Go drink a 1/5th of rum, get behind the wheel, and flag down a cop to give you a breathalyzer test. Then tell him that "alcohol content doesn't tell you anything".
Please dislodge your head from your ass.
r1215p 8y ago
Nice example. So, you want to suspend his license for 90 days for DUI or do you want to give him jail time for vehicular manslaughter under the influence? Pick one, then we can talk causal nexus.
The main point is - you cannot simultaneously believe his defense and say the defense is bullshit. You can't just believe everything his lawyer says about how spoiled millionaire brat this kid is, to the point of mental illness, and then just turn around and say he is guilty to the full extent anyway. The reason his lawyer came up with affluenza is because it exculpates him. You either believe it or you don't.
WakandaDrama 8y ago
Go drink a bottle of Jack and do 90 on the highway and tell us how it goes.
r1215p 8y ago
Go speeding after dark with 7 loud passengers and dodge an unexpected obstacle hidden behind a bend. Sober.