As the author of several rambling rules posts, I've never been happy with the number of rules we have, the number of posts they are scattered across, and how difficult some of those are for new people to find and see.
This is hard to enforce, and harder to follow.
Time to simplify things, with a nugget of clarity just offered up by our own /u/Whisper (who needs no introduction):
TRP's mission is to increase men's sexual power and options. Anyone who does not share that goal will be banned the instant we detect them.
That means you must be here for one or both of these reasons:
- You are a man who wants to improve your own control over your life, mostly your sex life.
- You want to help men achieve that goal.
That's all.
- Here for any other reason? Banned.
- Here to argue about whether that's a good goal? Banned.
- Write anything in here that sets some other goal (moralizing, showing off, political agenda, etc) above that goal? Banned.
- Disrupting that mission in any other way? Banned.
Here's all the old rules and policy posts if you like a lot of reading:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1u6m3m/the_basics_explained_and_our_direction_for_2014/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2xwllf/100000/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2zriww/the_complete_mod_policy_rundown/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3a0135/announcement_new_thread_requirements/
... but what you really you need to know is Rule Zero:
TRP's mission is to increase men's sexual power and options, and improve their lives.
- This is the mission.
- Support the mission.
- Or go somewhere else.
That is all.
Other rules are simply specific cases of Rule Zero.
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Jewlluminazis 9y ago
So, people who are here simply for the occasional intelligent discussion on men's rights, but aren't fixated on improving their sex life, are banned? Women who want to learn more about the challenges men face are banned? People here for research purposes on the Men's Rights Activist movement, banned?
RedSovereign 9y ago
Yes.
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blimp11 9y ago
to set the bar of happiness for man as a successful sex life is completely retarded. that creates a bunch of men who are sexual slaves. in my opinion the redpill is here to make men as independently successful in real measurable assets, and the sexual conquest will follow. the proper lesson is not to enslave ourselves as brobots running around smashing plates and banging women. the idea of redpill is to untie modern societies chains on the male role in the world. sexual conquest will follow success. success does not follow sexual conquest
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If you really want to enforce this rule have all posts include a 2-3 sentence explanation why their post adheres to Rule 0.
Call it a mission statement.
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I can't thank you guys enough for creating and maintaining TRP.
Luckyluke23 9y ago
I have a question about posts, are we slowed to post topics that would be consider to be a little to "gamey" or is that not suited here?
RedPill4LYF 9y ago
I would like to ask a simple question, and I want everyone to keep in mind that my goal is for the advancement of men's sexual power and options, because God knows men today don't have it very good on the whole.
My question is this: How is adapting to the current climate going to help anything?
If anything, it seems that accepting this new normal as the new normal, is exactly how men are going to further cuck themselves in the long run. Maybe I'm not seeing the connection, and I would like some illumination.
Shouldn't we be uniting against misandric media and protesting against misandry in a way that the mainstream cannot ignore?
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8n0n 9y ago
Or just find whatever local mens health related initiatives operating in your area (example: mens shed) and find ways to support them.
Not all means of supporting men needs to be done in a public manner that brings undue risk to your own reputation/privacy.
RedPill4LYF 9y ago
Are you sure about that? You don't think exposing more and more men to TRP wouldn't spark a revolution among men?
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Not really. Revolutions happen when there are too many elites (hard wired or natural alphas) competing for the top spots. The ideology is just the justification fed the suckers so the winners can keep more of the spoils.
RedMoonAscendant 9y ago
Can this be stickied forever?
EpicLevelCheater 9y ago
It will be sidebarred.
This post is the first step in a larger effort to re-organize the sidebar material for newbies.
RedMoonAscendant 9y ago
Ah, I see it over there. That's a great place for it.
I like how this is stated. I've put some thought into how to say exactly this, and can never come up with something as succinct.
And I'm glad to hear the sidebar is getting a revamp. It's great stuff, but is in need of a reorg.
always-be-closing 9y ago
Just a suggestion, something like a terms-dictionary with examples (real life, FR, and simplified hypotheticals) would be helpful for newcomers.
AF v BB, hypergamy, AWALT, AMOG, unicorn, etc.
I have some preliminary writing on this that I'll be submitting as posts, but regardless, besides just sorting by top/time and reading through posts, I think a set of simple primers from the standpoint of gender reality and sexual strategy would do almost all newcomers (particularly those shackled young men who only hear of TRP through negative references but check us out anyway from curiosity) a lot of good.
BradPill 9y ago
This one is in the Sidebar (5th link from the top): http://a.trp.red/terms ("Glossary of Terms and Acronyms (2015)"). But could perhaps use some (more) examples, yes (at the risk of becoming too long-winded).
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redbluepilling 9y ago
Are you going around showing women TRP posts or explaining TRP concepts to them? You shouldn't be.
I'm not defending that video specifically, but it seems the intent was to explain modern feminism, which may be useful in mentally dispelling its BP inducing effects.
darkrood 9y ago
If dating is a chess game, telling people how you are going to date them takes out the mystery of fun and thrill, while indirectly make them feel inferior for not seeing your strategy 10 moves ahead.
It's like telling a potential customer what's the latest sales tactic. This will make customer feel like a kid.
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SW9876 9y ago
How does this relate to posts like "Corporate Land"? Posts like those are all tangentially related to sexual power, on account that political and economic power correlate strongly with sexual power, but they do not have an immediate connection to sex.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
Its still sexual strategy. You get a better job which can give a slight increase of smv. Or just good strategy in general. You can use the same manipulation tactics on girls on everyone else.
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It would be a nice option to have posts similar to Corporate Land have their own flair.
rp_valiant 9y ago
Agreed. Non-dating posts like friendlysociopathic's guide to the endocrine system, and ProtoPill's goal-setting post, are the things I hang around for. I'm married, I don't exactly need the game advice.
While we're at it, fitness would be an obvious additional flair too.
ProtoPill 9y ago
I would like this. All of my future posts will be on subjects like networking, social grace, investing, preparing a budget, and getting involved in philanthropic organizations, all of which raise SMV and are certainly related to the mission of this sub, but which have a more immediate impact in other areas of our members' lives.
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SW9876 9y ago
Options is referring to sexual options
always-be-closing 9y ago
Wealthy men have more sexual options.
Simple as that.
SW9876 9y ago
I discussed that in my original post.
ShounenEgo 9y ago
The "You want to help men achieve that goal" rule should also be rule zero in asktrp, because I met people who deliberately sabotage or/and try to redirect newbies for their own amusement or/and agenda.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 9y ago
That's what the REPORT button is for. The sooner disruptive people are reported and banned, the less incentive for them to come back and continue their troll games.
MentORPHEUS Senior Endorsed 9y ago
It would be helpful if Left/Right political posts were shunned, at least till after the election next year. I've seen great posters whose political persuasions fall all over the map. As TRP members, we have certain common experiences and goals that are apolitical, and can uplift one another as RedPill allies FIRST.
Divide and conquer serves masters outside of us; it is plugged-in behavior. I can't think of a single Presidential Candidate thread or Left/Right thread that supported Rule Zero or furthered TRP's mission. Even decent OPs on the subject quickly devolve to useless partisan grandstanding that drowns out the signal.
There are plenty of places on Reddit to vent one's political spleen. ^Edit-Redundancy
GraphicSeniorNudity 9y ago
I agree for no other reason than it can sour the comments and opinions offered by contributors that would otherwise be respected.
Red pill knowledge is red pill knowledge, but knowing that someone swings for X candidate alters the readers perception of them to such a degree that the idea itself can fall into question, not because it is a bad idea but because of the person who said it.
BradPill 9y ago
Valid point, but in the end a lot our (TRP) lives are affected by politics. Feminism, (false) rape claims, political correctness, SJW, BP in general... Those are all left-wing issues. And they are in our face daily. All the time.
Strangely enough I don't read anything here about abortion- and contraceptive-bans (Reps. issues) - they do affect guys as well (albeit indirectly) - as men would be seriously screwed (no pun) if their unwanted fetus could not be removed in their home-state (perhaps it is just a GOP item, as in reality it will never materialize?).
So yes, let's hope TRP doesn't turn into some election battle-ground - we should stay alert, downvote and report.
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Agreed. It's dragged down the quality of the debate and conversation here.
interestedplayer 9y ago
It depends.I have seen a lot of trumps videos posted, not in support of his policies but as an example of an absolute alpha with a rock solid frame (think of him with Jeb "you're a real tough guy" bush). As long as it's clearly not about content I think that should be fine.
BeefJesusMaker 9y ago
So no more Men's Rights posts?
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BeefJesusMaker 9y ago
Yes, but it isn't a direct sexual strategy. You can rationalize however you'd like, but it doesn't help you improve or get women.
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BeefJesusMaker 9y ago
How does it "increase men's sexual power and options"?
FemtoG 9y ago
I do hope though that the board doesn't become strictly for male-female dynamics.
I've gotten great career, finance, philosophical, friendship, religious, etc. advice from here that all falls within the framework of "redpill".
Of course, these all tie to a man's sexual power directly or indirectly anyway.
Just wanted to make that point.
CrazyHorseInvincible 9y ago
None of us have any plans to remove material like that. We were the ones that stickied it. We love that stuff.
There's going to be some broadening drift to the topic, we not only accept that, we want it.
But the central focus will continue to be sexual strategy, and nothing that interferes with that will be allowed.
thebadmanpuntdbaxter 9y ago
Honestly I don't think the topic needs broadening.
"Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power" -Oscar Wilde
It hits the mark. Becoming a powerful man in some way is essential to mating. That's why this isn't seddit. I interpret steps teaching in 2 ways. The first is giving me the blunt truth about male-female dynamics and theories on the matter. The second is teaching me how to thrive mentally, physically, socially, and emotionally. These aspects go hand in hand. Sexual strategy is a function of your success as a man. This is why step 1 advice here is to read the sidebar between sets at the gym.
darkrood 9y ago
So....As long as any topic end up benefiting you sexually, then it can stay on RP?
Ex: Monk mode: increasing SMV
How to interview: potential of increasing SMV
Escort guide: Taking women off pedestal
ETC.
Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
On that topic it would be awesome if someone did a post on escorts. Has that been done before? I don't know enough about it to engage in it and I think it would be great for those with limited time, but no knowledge of how to go about doing it.
NightwingTRP 9y ago
I think this one confuses a lot of people. One of the things I noticed was that my success rate shot up once I'd internalised outcome independence and abundance mentality. i.e. when I wasn't really caring about my sex life anymore because there was enough other stuff going on in my life that I wasn't too fussed if I got it right that time because women and sex had dropped down my list of priorities and were more of an amusing diversion... and that I didn't really care if I failed to bang that particular chick that night.
I've got a half written piece (lying around somewhere) on this sort-of-paradox "if you want more sex, stop caring so much about getting sex."
So I think a lot of guys just don't quite grasp the nuance on that and broadly fall into two camps - those who care massively and their thirst shows. And those who think it doesn't matter at all. From my perspective it's one of the standard nuances of TRP that doesn't get picked up very quickly by people because they've been trained to think black and white during their blue pill days.
With so much interlinked and the natural state that sexual strategy ends up including so many aspects of life... it's no wonder these guys are so confused - particularly given that they're coming here in a confused state in the first place. Personally I've always felt the community to be quite understanding of this... and probably more forgiving of it than they could be.
Valentinus9171 9y ago
At its base TRP philosophy is a form of Stoicism, it requires one to control themselves to order their minds and bodies. From this personal order one can achieve success, not only with women but in life.
Stythe 9y ago
Yea, this one takes time to sort out. Even once you understand it, it isn't really internalized until you have a lot going on and literally can't make sex your main focus. That's the only way to prove to yourself that sex isn't the only thing you should be seeking, because its then that it pops up with alarming frequency.
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Luckyluke23 9y ago
you make a good point man, to ME though, SEXUAL strategy is more about being THE BEST GUY YOU CAN BE, rather than just one thing.
aewiggin 9y ago
Yeah, I'm beginning to realize that "not caring about getting laid" doesn't mean not trying to get laid.
I'm not hot enough (yet) to pull girls with zero effort, so I need to put in the effort without being worried about the result
NightwingTRP 9y ago
Give that man a prize! The thing about caring and putting in effort is that it applies to things like learning game. Practicing to spot tests and respond better. So the attitude becomes one of caring about the game itself and playing it as best you can while not caring too much if you fuck up...
And most important of all, being willing to walk away. One of the things I see sometimes on here are men who've made conscious decisions to not fuck a chick for a variety of reasons... given how hysterical our society has become about rape these days, every sexual encounter we have could potentially become that one where we get that false allegation of rape. So it always makes me laugh that some guys are so thirsty, that other men turning down sex gets them quite upset and they're straight in there to comment "bro, you could have fucked her. You failed so hard."
I think we always need to keep perspective that our world is not as simplistic as the old free for all and there are not obvious solutions or a 100% correct response that works in all situations. Understanding the nuances and identifying them in life is probably the biggest power that a man can gain from TRP.
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The thing is, no guy is hot enough to pull a girl with no effort. It is still a game even for the highest end guys. Unless you're a celeb or some shit. Your game is always a necessity.
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
Exactly. I think of it as part of outcome independence and shows confidence and abundance vs neediness. Whatever happens it troubles me not, I'm just out having a good time experiencing life. My favorite girlfriends were the ones I was not looking for.
"Que Sera, Sera" trans. "Whatever will be, will be."
adam-l Senior Endorsed 9y ago
The less you care, the more you get. This is a truth. Once you internalize it, you start seeing results. But it is also counter-intuitive. I see many posts in TRP asserting that sex is not (or should not) be the most important thing in life. This is correct, as a matter of strategy. But many TRPers miss that it is not factually correct. Sex is the most important thing in man's life. In fact, it has been found that males are hard-wired to prioritize sex even over food.
So, viewing it from the evolutionary perspective, it seems like a paradox: if caring less about sex will get you more, it would be evolutionary advantageous for men to not crave sex in the first place - which is of course not the case.
The reason for this seeming paradox, is that, somewhere along history (read Agricultural Revolution), there was a discontinuity. What Dr Leonard Shlain referred to as the Female Sexual Veto, or what I call The Female Coup d' etat. Men were programmed to have such a voracious sex drive because during the evolutionary times sex was, basically, free-for-all. And this was overturned by women.
What this all comes down to, as regards our sexual strategy, is that there is a discrepancy between "truth" and "effectiveness", in my opinion. Not unlike the discrepancy between "truth" and "effectiveness" in women's sexual strategy: for example, by convincing themselves that they "truly love" a man, they are in position to take advantage of him (his resources). It's not true that women "truly love", however, it is effective.
Likewise, it is more effective for men to believe that "things are like that and always have been, sex was never free", while it is not true. The more oblivious you are of the "free sex" alternative, the more effective you are fighting in the current sexual landscape.
(Note that I'm not claiming that the prehistoric free sex model is necessarily reproducible in today's society. But the discussion about "what went wrong" can give us valuable insights.)
-Adam
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BradPill 9y ago
Which is a paradox as well? As TRP is an alternative to widespread BP-culture (the 'norm')?
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Always been the opposite for me. I've usually had to put work in to getting chicks. Work gets results, indifference gets me nothing.
PrinceofSpades 9y ago
Indifference is the other side of the coin.
You put in leg work via the courting process: the conversation at the bar, over coffee, or even just over tinder. But these all involve her, not actually having sex yet. I put in legwork to get laid, but I'm not, at any point, desperate for the sex itself. This is why the average man who opens with "dtf?" on something like tinder gets ignored, because it screams sexual desperation. Granted, if the guy is out of her league or she's an A+ super slut she'll probably agree regardless of what is said, but that's digressing a bit from the point.
It boils down to don't be creepy, but don't say nothing to her, either. Creepy is caring massively and demonstrating thirst, while saying nothing is being too indifferent. It's the core of why gym sexual tension is so hilarious- anyone there working out for the opposite gender instead of themselves won't ever be good enough mentally to approach the cardio bunny they crush on, and those who are there for themselves are indifferent to the cardio bunny because they are there for themselves. Granted, if they bump into said girl leaving the gym or out and about they'll almost certainly approach because the setting is now correct, while the guy lifting for her still won't because he subconsciously pedestals her.
Care to test this theory? Make sure you're a man who lifts for himself first, then go strike up conversation with the hottest girl at your gym who isn't constantly guarded by her boyfriend. You'll be surprised how eager and happy she is to finally have a hot guy talking to her after spending "all damn day" there having no guys say a word to her. Fuck, why do you think SHE'S there? To find a mate, both through appearance improvement and following her magazine's dating advice of going out into public more. Granted, this is somewhat different if they are an athlete on a college team or something, but even the ones with boyfriends are usually up for getting hit on by hot guys when he's not around.
Hell, just today I smiled to some girl, made her take off her headphones, told her straight up her panties were coming up over her yoga pants (they were) which was an embarassing thing to discuss or point out in an environment where everyone is only focused on themselves, and I wound up with her phone number when I wasn't even trying to get it.
I wasn't pawning after this girl or checking her out, but I still had to put in the legwork to open a stranger in an environment where most people with headphones don't want to be bothered. If I want to fuck her, I'll have to put in more legwork, and again more if I want to keep her as a plate. But that legwork isn't thirst, it's merely doing what must be done. If we don't fuck, who cares? Millions of other girls in my city. This is why abundance mentality is so crucial. It lets you put in the legwork while simultaneously killing your own thirst completely. Had I said nothing, I would have used the other side of the mistake coin and been indifferent to her: this results in nothing happening, either. Which is fine, things don't have to happen with every girl you meet; if you feel that way then you just suddenly flipped your own coin back over and are now in too-thirsty territory. Again, it's the abundance mentality that shines here as well, insuring that your coin doesn't flip over.
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Okay this is one of the things that I really have trouble with, especially after a few months of Monk Mode (which essentially is "default mode" for me since I'm a medical student).
I'm too far on the DGAF/indifferent side. MGTOW is not what I'm going for, but after discovering the importance of putting myself (and my goals) as number one priority, and having a background with chronic procrastination/depression -- I treat my discipline as something really precious to the point where I hold myself to really high standards (e.g. will not tolerate skipping more than one gym session, or eating more than one cheat meal in a row). This was the lifestyle that I yearned for back when I was a boy, and I'd argue is the lifestyle that made me a man and is pushing me towards the path of success.
That said, I simply can't seem to find women to be worthy. Again, I don't want to be a MGTOW for life, but at my age (twenty) and with my current priorities (Med school, followed by gym/diet, followed by reading books on self-improvement and management), girls are #4. Whenever I hang out with a girl, I have trouble actually enjoying the interaction (which makes it difficult to express interest), and I'd see the interaction as me sacrificing my productive time.
Any ideas how to go about this? I think I lost my ability to enjoy women and even people in general, considering how I'd rather spend that time working on myself (especially the case after reading Mastery by Robert Greene and discovering my Life's Task)
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Okay this is one of the things that I really have trouble with, especially after a few months of Monk Mode (which essentially is "default mode" for me since I'm a medical student).
I'm too far on the DGAF/indifferent side. MGTOW is not what I'm going for, but after discovering the importance of putting myself (and my goals) as number one priority, and having a background with chronic procrastination/depression -- I treat my discipline as something really precious to the point where I hold myself to really high standards (e.g. will not tolerate skipping more than one gym session, or eating more than one cheat meal in a row). This was the lifestyle that I yearned for back when I was a boy, and I'd argue is the lifestyle that made me a man and is pushing me towards the path of success.
That said, I simply can't seem to find women to be worthy. Again, I don't want to be a MGTOW for life, but at my age (twenty) and with my current priorities (Med school, followed by gym/diet, followed by reading books on self-improvement and management), girls are #4. Whenever I hang out with a girl, I have trouble actually enjoying the interaction (which makes it difficult to express interest), and I'd see the interaction as me sacrificing my productive time.
Any ideas how to go about this? I think I lost my ability to enjoy women and even people in general, considering how I'd rather spend that time working on myself (especially the case after reading Mastery by Robert Greene and discovering my Life's Task)
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Okay this is one of the things that I really have trouble with, especially after a few months of Monk Mode (which essentially is "default mode" for me since I'm a medical student).
I'm too far on the DGAF/indifferent side. MGTOW is not what I'm going for, but after discovering the importance of putting myself (and my goals) as number one priority, and having a background with chronic procrastination/depression -- I treat my discipline as something really precious to the point where I hold myself to really high standards (e.g. will not tolerate skipping more than one gym session, or eating more than one cheat meal in a row). This was the lifestyle that I yearned for back when I was a boy, and I'd argue is the lifestyle that made me a man and is pushing me towards the path of success.
That said, I simply can't seem to find women to be worthy. Again, I don't want to be a MGTOW for life, but at my age (twenty) and with my current priorities (Med school, followed by gym/diet, followed by reading books on self-improvement and management), girls are #4. Whenever I hang out with a girl, I have trouble actually enjoying the interaction (which makes it difficult to express interest), and I'd see the interaction as me sacrificing my productive time.
Any ideas how to go about this? I think I lost my ability to enjoy women and even people in general, considering how I'd rather spend that time working on myself (especially the case after reading Mastery by Robert Greene and discovering my Life's Task)
SkorchZang 9y ago
One thing I noticed happening a lot is mutual indifference between men & women that automatically breeds superficial mutual contempt.
She glances at you and thinks you're obviously some basic chump boring blue pill faggot. You glance at her and think she's obviously a drama-ridden hypergamous slut whore.
The key is that these first impressions are always false and mean nothing. Once you had that same girl seeing you for a couple of months and finally falling head over heels in love, she becomes malleable in a way that is difficult to explain. But almost like a mirror: whatever you have a slight subconscious inkling of wanting, a good woman will subconsciously change herself deeply and become exacty that to please you better.
In other words, if you want a good woman in your life, to a large degree you have to shape & make her yourself, out of the available apathetic floatsam. Then she expires or leaves for different pastures, so you pick new floatsam and start the same project from the ground up, with greater and greater efficiency and elegance each time.
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If you're doing a particular thing at a given time, it should be your priority. If you're on a date, she should be your priority. You've allotted her time for that.
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
Thankyou, this is a great perspective... much to think about.
NightwingTRP 9y ago
I think this deserves a round of applause and a point. One of the best nuanced explanations I've seen in a while.
♂
RedSovereign 9y ago
Point granted.
Benny757 9y ago
Newer here. But older. Post 50. Crucial to understanding the abundance mentality, is the abundance of life, not just women. Every time a blue pill, me in the past as well, fixates on one particular snowflake, the world seems to end, and their lives go on hold. And when they don't achieve, they get mad, and have hurt feelings. Know what, that is simply self imposed bullshit. Stop this nonsense. it is unhealthy, and I argue, mental instability. We are better off alone, pursuing life, than pursuing this horseshit. Nature, society, and modern American feminism coupled with soft man's approach to being a gentleman have garnered a philosophical, cultural thought pattern that today's man doesn't need to exist. Yet here we are. How do we remedy this? Go read Nietzsche and Seneca, slowly and deliberately for one or two. Then empower ourselves to take two steps back, turn in the direction we choose that will better ourselves, and start walking the journey. Turning around back to her is not winning or living. Freedom is the other way. And its dark and risky, and a whole lot more fun.
mygodimpathetic 9y ago
Thanks for writing this. It was like poetry to my 27-year old years. I wasted years, and years drooling over snowflakes, who basically took advantage of me however they could.
The latest (and last) one, was the ultimate snowflake. This girl was perfection to me. I knew her since she was a born, (I'm like almost 7 years older), but we grew up together, and our parents were close friends, and they used to joke that we were going to get married one day, etc, even when I was of age and she wasn't.
I used to bend over backwards for her, even despite me living far away now. I found out recently that she's a lesbian, and had been for quite some time now, but she never bothered to let me know, despite how close we were. I guess cuz I had been such a good little orbiter, ready to help her with anything she needed... why would she?
If it wasn't for having discovered TRP I'd probably would have put a bullet in my brain when I found out she was a lesbian and the snowflake of my dreams would never be with me no matter what I did.
Now whenever I get reject by a girl, and I just brush it over my shoulder, I feel stronger and more empowered/motivated that before. I work out harder, and study longer.
Benny757 9y ago
Glad it helped. I just read Seneca again this morning. Letters of a Stoic. The stuff is cautionary and brilliant.
I hear you on the pain of realization they will not love you. It's very hard to realign your thinking from the default process you were brought up in. But its doable. One day at a time...more Seneca, more progress, redeveloping the well adjusted man you will continue to become. Be well, friend.
EmperorAurelius 9y ago
In regards to Nietzsche and Seneca, any particular starting point? I just started reading The Basic Writings of Nietzsche by Kaufman and it's already hurtng my skull. It feels like I should had read some prerequisite materials before diving in.
Benny757 9y ago
Beyond Good/Evil for Nietsche. For Seneca, from a volume of his letters. Start with the first one. Keep it ever so slow and careful with both of these authors. Absorb what they say. Reread over several mornings (or whenever you read) to get the messages to sink in. In fact, in Seneca's very first letter, he advises you to not hamster yourself in scatterbrain fashion to every which kind of knowledge. Focus on good, tried and true knowledge, and master that first, so reread, reread, reread.
Anyone who thinks they know Nietzsche or Seneca after one reading is horribly mistaken. Read slowly, yet deliberately and wickedly. Read as if your life depends on it, and it does, you know.
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
This hit hard for me like an on-coming semi in the rain.
Benny757 9y ago
Women are not the goal. Life is the goal. Take care of self first. The default setting we here have been taught from education and society is to deprecate to and serve women. We are here to break free of that ingrained default mindset, to cast off the destruction of our lives in subservience where women, when unhappy, will shake their tits, wiggle their asses, and attract another love/lust lorn male. Because love and lust are hormonal poisons, primitive and ancient - attractants to trap and snare men to subserve and provide - i.e. to give up their lives...women being very black widowish in this regard. To battle and to defeat this default mindset is very, very hard to do.
I repeat. All women are black widows to some extent. Blue pill is to believe in the trap, the seduction, and to fall victim like every male black widow spider, who is destroyed and consumed after mating.
But men can choose to not be male black widows. They can educate themselves, better themselves, and at times, even control female black widows.
But AWALT, and hypergamy, socially all women are black widows. It is in their best interest to consume beta. Beta is disposable. Beta is food that is consumed, and then excreted.
The goal therefore is to change the default settings, to become self-aware, and self-actualized, and to break free and rise above the ingrained mentality and expectations of modern hypergamous feminism.
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
Absolutely. However I have spent more time learning how to seduce women than I ever have in my life. Your post helped me straighten up and focus on what is important. However, there are buttons to press on any women to make her panties drop. So I figure hell, invest some time on that and never have dry spells again.
Everything else you wrote was pure poetry. I've seen women like succubi but the black widow analogy is more relatable.
Enjoyitbeforeitsover 9y ago
Thanks on the suggested reading. After taking up mma my life just feels good. I dont give a fuck or Im just not needy anymore. And you know all the RP reading for the past 3 months is now internalized. Abundance mentality is great. Oneitis is horrible. There is no more anger bullshit. Guys, take care of your body and mind and always advance yourself. Put in the hard work, yeah no one likes pain but thats the only thing that enables the healthy transition into full RP lifestyle. Theres no need to be a cunt either. I personally dont give a fuck if im alpha or not. Apologies if any of this is bullshit. Meditation is really benefiting me though to be more chill.
Luckyluke23 9y ago
hey man, great post. I have a couple of questions for you about your post.
1) what was the first realization you had about abundance mentality that you stopped and said " right, I get it now"
2) you talk about being creepy, I have heard that being creepy is like saying: " if she is attracted to you then you won't be creepy" if she sin't then you are beeing creepy" ( but an attractive guy wouldn't do those things that are creepy, I guess i just answered my own question? some small input would be great on this)
3) i struggle with abundance mentality and putting women on a pen distal ( it's not " this one girl" it's maybe more in general than anything)
what would be some advice you could give me ( other than your post) to be able to deal with it.
thanks for taking the time out to answer these questions... i know you are a busy guy
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
Pretty much if she finds you quite attractive you could be at her doorstep uninvited at 10pm and receive a warm welcome (and possibly a warm hole). If she's on the fence for you, she'll get pissy why you showed up at all. If she is not attracted whatsoever, you're a creep and a loser who needs to get a life.
Next. Move on. She's probably got some used condoms of her past lovers in an envelope somewhere in her room for "memory's" sake like the creep she is. But she has tits and a vagina so it's ok.
Luckyluke23 9y ago
thanks for the reply man... very helpful.
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
Speaking from experience. All of it. Including the envelope.
[deleted] 9y ago
Everyone will have different problems they will need to work on. I'm kinda in your boat. If I don't do anything, nothing gets done.
redestofthereds 9y ago
So when you write post you go through a process where it involves drafting and editing and all that?
How long does it usually take for you to write a post?
NightwingTRP 9y ago
I draft my posts out, leave them a day and then edit/rewrite to try and make sure I'm getting the info across as best I can.
I don't tend to write on a huge array of topics because I only really write on topics where I think I'm adding something fresh or giving a new enough take on something that it counts as fresh content. Some posts take longer than others depending on whether I'm satisfied with them. I ditch others because I'm simply not satisfied with the outcome and it doesn't read as strong enough to post.
throwaway-aa2 9y ago
well here's the thing. It's like this necessary paradox. Take meditation for instance. People go to meditation to have a greater state of mind, to quiet their mind... but you only do that by letting those things go, because those just happen if you just focus on your breath. HOWEVER most people wouldn't gravitate towards meditation if they didn't initially have that premise. So it's like guys need to want to have more sex, then they come here, then they have to learn to not want it as much. It's sort of weird.
Also here's the thing: I definitely want sex and sometimes that's why I go out. However I don't care about it to a certain degree. The danger is that you'll have new guys who will use the "eh I don't need sex" as an excuse to not talk to women, push their limits, get what they want. All this stuff taught on this subreddit is filled with strafing along fine lines, and things that either seem or are paradoxical in nature.
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I think it's perfectly fine for people not to want sex but still come to the TRP for lifestyle/philosophical advice. It's only when they start moralizing or pushing their agendas on other members is when they cross a line.
NaughtyFred 9y ago
People will still debate whether this should be done by
any rp means necessary
or
any rp means one is comfortable with
If that isn't up for debate rp creates followers, not leaders...which of those is "Alpha"?
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BluepillProfessor 9y ago
Some MGTOW's have a sexual strategy and presumably if they post here desiring to increase men's sexual options they comply with rule zero.
For MGTOW's insisting on celibacy the mods will need to judge that "eternal pursuit of celibacy" is a sexual option for men.
darkrood 9y ago
From what I gathered:
MGTOW and RedPill both acknowledge the feminist influence in the current society.
However, many guys in both camps develop their own strategy once recognize the trend of society:
Some become PUAs that will never get married; Some swear off women and go 100% monk mode; Some take on self-improvement; Some find any effort contributing to society directly a lost cause; Some carry the microphone and start criticizing the trend; Some just want to live off grid and wait for the storm to be over.
Really, some Rper are MGTOW and they don't even know it. Vise versa.
[deleted] 9y ago
Depends on how you interpret mgtow. Live only for yourself, and figure out ways to make your life better, yes please. Don't ever associate with women, or people who associate with them, and also become poor so you leech off the government that supports them, yea no.
Mgtow is incredibly subjective, the only unifying theme in it is don't pu pussy in the pedestal, which in reality is what every red piller believes anyway. In my opinion the term is kind of redundant.
DarkuSchneider 9y ago
It is very subjective by nature. The name says it all literally: Men Going Their 'Own' Way. You can't put MGTOW in a neat template or container. They may reject marriage but some still want plates and otherwise need guides to wisely invest their time and resources to make a good RP life/career for themselves doing whatever it is they choose and not get played by women.
[deleted] 9y ago
I agree with this, very pragmatic. You make a great distinction between two different interpretations or genres of MGTOW thinking.
I could easily see any philosophically minded person who reads into it becoming hung up on the paradox of 'taking pussy off the pedestal' in order to get... pussy. If you allow yourself to worry about it, you can get into a loop easily. MGTOW can seem like a way out of this loop.
i_forget_my_userids 9y ago
Is this just for posts or also comments? I can feel this being a negative influence on open discussion in the comments.
CrazyHorseInvincible 9y ago
It applies to comments as well.
Stuff drifting off-topic is fine. Comments which are actually impair the mission are not fine. People commenting who aren't here to support the mission are doubly not fine.
[deleted] 9y ago
Cosigned. This is not a debate forum. This is not PurplePillDebate. This is not PillsCollide. Any post (and its owner) that seeks to derail, deride, or distract from the point and the message of TRP is going to be treated with ruthlessness.
Now go on, bitch and moan about censorship, blah blah blah, so we can sniff you out and ban you ahead of time.
TRP is a Modocracy, not a Democracy. We decide what is useful, not you people. If we allowed that, this placed would've died 2 years ago. If you don't support the mission, you are a detriment to the mission.
[deleted] 9y ago
I think this in response to a female SJW that was here earlier calling us neckbeards and shouting about via keyboard like an idiot. She said women don't want men to be assholes yet she sounded butthurt, I think she was upset that our description of AWALT fit her life perfectly lol.
But seriously do posts about men's lifestyles also count towards the mission? For example I was asked to write a post (that I am currently preparing) about my experiences hunting and how the lessons learned from hunting has helped in other areas of my life ie. since you are never guaranteed to see game even if you do everything right you almost have to develop a sort of mentality that 'you don't need to bag a buck this year, but it would be nice' which is similar to the abundance mentality we talk about here on TRP for our sex life. I assume this falls under the "Support the mission" part of the rule?
[deleted] 9y ago
why would you ever pay attention to a woman? you wouldn't indulge a whining toddler: same idea
MattyAnon Admin 9y ago
She's right on this. A woman can never have enough caring adoring orbiters to reassure her, validate her, emotionally support her and buy her stuff.
awalt_cupcake 9y ago
That was a quick observation.
[deleted] 9y ago
Right here is where the fuse shorts out, and I disregard anything after. Instead actions are watched and paid attention. She said women don't want men to be assholes, but their actions are the opposite, they fuck the assholes. As we have all learned, and trp explains why.
[deleted] 9y ago
Was going to explain this but it wasn't worth my time trying to argue an SJW who was already making teakettle noises.
locolopes 9y ago
Thank you. Fuck catering to people's opinions. We're here to discuss a strategy, compare notes and see what we can learn from the mistakes and experiences of fellow members... The purpose is not up for debate.
[deleted] 9y ago
theres always purplepilldebate if you want to jerk off with opinions and bullshit arguments
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RedMoonAscendant 9y ago
Do you have an actual point?
CrazyHorseInvincible 9y ago
Clearly, you are here are for your own reasons which have nothing to do with our goals.
So, yes, I will ban you. Not only "just like Sarkeesian would", but because I am actually Anita Sarkeesian in a cunning man-suit.
[deleted] 9y ago
I suspect there may be many in her boat. And what she would have said if she were being completely honest (and had the insight to see it) is that she's worried about fake alphas, and she's here to improve her chances of spotting a fake alpha. I would not blame her. However, it's good that once identified, she's out.
CrazyHorseInvincible 9y ago
The difference between a fake thing and a real one vanishes when the fake thing can no longer be detected.
8n0n 9y ago
I don't think there is such a thing as a fake alpha; in that we all start out as beta and learn to adopt alpha behaviors over time.
Some come to it faster than others (and many don't at all) but those that do have to put the work in to get there, the same as seen with any other venture in life (sport, musical talent, STEM, etc. being cultivated over many many hours of education, training and repetition).
It also to me explains why those that become alpha can go beta (settle; like how hard won skills degrade due to aging, accidents or from lack of use/maintenance) then later become alpha again when what made them drift down to beta dissolves.
Note that I mean alpha/beta by characteristics being interchangeable and not as people being one or the other.
[deleted] 9y ago
Fuck yeah! I feel the politics and pushing opinions on everyone got in the way of sexual strategy and advice. The quality of the posting was dropping as we are being flooded everyday with new members. New members that often don't read the sidebar, or are pushing their political/moral views on others.
I do not give a shit about your views on liberals, Donald Trump, hookers or porn, I want to know how to improve my game, my lifts and my chances of getting laid.
[deleted] 9y ago
Agendas galore on this fucking site, coupled with political leanings
RedPillDad 9y ago
Love it. It captures the constructive, productive aspect of transforming ourselves - seeing past our current pain and rising up out of the dust and garbage to become something remarkable.
This post, on the other hand, focuses on what not to do. Not as inspirational, but every bit as important. For example, in getting your mind on track, consider that a "stop doing" list should precede a 'start doing" list because it frees up your resources.
[deleted] 9y ago
Do we direct philosophical questions to asktrp?
charlesbukowksi 9y ago
Women are attracted to you to the degree that you are desirable and not attracted to them. Women are attached to you to the degree they are uncertain you are attached to them.
Follow the limiting behavior here and what you find is the ultimate maximization of sexual power is total disinterest and celibacy.
This generalizes. Someone has power over you to the degree they have something you want and you can't take it.
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[deleted] 9y ago
TRP is not a democracy. You have no 'free speech' rights here. All discussion must forcefully stay focused on one goal: sexual success. If cracking down on oppposing views means higher quality posts, every member should welcome it
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Squeezymypenisy 9y ago
Whats left of her comment is deleted below this chain.
[deleted] 9y ago
Wasn't a clash, the bitch literally just came on here to complain. She doesn't realize she simply reinforced AWALT with another example the way she acted lol
RedMoonAscendant 9y ago
As much as I imagine that was hilarious to read, it is distracting. This forum isn't for comedy. Not replying to you directly, really, just making a general statement pertaining to this conversation that's being had.
[deleted] 9y ago
Bye bye trolls, whiteknights, and broknights. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
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fortheloveofpercy 9y ago
Sexual power is the perfect umbrella term. Literally any form of improvement, from lifting to expanding your vocabulary can improve your SMV.
Appleseed12333 9y ago
How does the MGTOW tag tie in with mission Zero?
[deleted] 9y ago
So am I to understand that this identity/philosophy is about changing your behaviour in the presence of women, rather than growth as a person?
It's a philosophy that ceases to have purpose on that ship/mountain/desert island?
And the policy of banning anyone who doesn't cowtow to authoritarianism?
I know plenty of people who love bending to get something from women and authority. I know others who have a spine.
Which pill are you endorsing again?
Edit: Correct me if I've misinterpreted this post.