A 2005 study from the National Center for Health Statistics says that 70% percent of women have had intercourse by age 18.
A 2002 study from the Alan Guttmacher Institute says that more than 2/3 of all sexually experienced teens have had 2 or more partners.
These statistics will undoubtedly be worse now.
AWALT. Don't get fooled (like I did) into thinking that hot late teens-early 20s girls are virgins or are somehow pure, no matter what they tell you. All the hottest girls in high school are fucking the varsity athletes. If you meet a 21 year old, no matter how redpill her parents may have raised her, if she tells you she's a virgin there's a 70% chance she's lying. ESPECIALLY the ones with redpill parents, since she knows that her value has plummeted with the loss of her virginity.
Obviously 21-year-olds are generally high SMV and are a better option than older girls. But the young ones who started the CC early deserve to have their SMV knocked down a peg for having a loose pussy and potential STDs. Get rid of those rose-colored glasses. Don't give American sluts more value than they deserve.
ckmtpm 9y ago
It might be rare these days but it's not impossible.
MicroMinion 9y ago
62% of men between 14 and 15 masturbated last year, and 75% of men between 16 and 17
Seems like a very reliable study...
garlicextract 9y ago
whenever there's a study about sexual habits, insert "admitted to" before every statement.
There, now the statements are accurate.
bsutansalt 9y ago
Excellent addition! I'll have to give you some points for that later.
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I didn't realise 25% of teenage males between 16 and 17 were dead. Interesting
trpftw 9y ago
The statistics kinda make sense. It helps to know people from other cultures. There are plenty of Americans who are from immigrant families or strict religious upbringing (yeah they think masturbating is a sin), who may have no siblings, and few friends.
There's beta... And then there is uberbeta.
I met an asian kid ~20 years who didn't know anything about online porn (quite strange and rare).
Also even less will admit to doing these things. Ironically, 70% is low for women. Many girls will be ashamed to admit it.
One_friendship_plz 9y ago
do they go around asking little children if they masturbate?
Tarnsman4Life 9y ago
This shouldn't be news to anyone in America, of the 30% who don't admit to having intercourse 20% of them are sucking dick, or licking cunt or whatever like crazy. The bottom 10-15% only are not fucking around in high school. You know why? Women receive validation in high school at a level they will never receive again due to their bodies and the raging hormones of the boys and young men around them. The top 50% of girls being fucked by the top 10-20% of boys in high school is the ultimate validation of their looks. At no point in their life let me say this again at no point in their life will girls/women be as desired as when they are 16-18. They will still be VERY desired up through their mid 20's but IMO 16-18 is the peak for a lot of these women.
After that many have taken so much cock their SMV slowly starts to decline. It is still high enough to allow women to take unlimited cock from "acceptable" alpha partners until their late 20's or early 30's but it is never as high as it is at 16-18.
I have never met a virgin who was older than 17; the one virgin I fucked had just turned 17 but had already blown something like 10 guys. I got her cherry because I was the attractive slightly older guy who happened to pick her up at that party.(All legal in the state where I lived BTW)
Most of the chicks I new in HS bragged about losing their cherry between ages 12 and 15.
Odds are if you encounter a typical 20 something western woman she has taken somewhere between 20 and 30 cocks, in all 3 holes. If she tries to play off as some innocent little thing its a shit test.
antariusz 9y ago
Yeap... with an n count around 100, I've run across 1 virgin about 5 years ago.
She was 20... And fat (but cute face at least)... She got me to buy her alcohol. I thought she was on her period... Nope, she just didn't want to tell me.
Her friend that I had already fucked set her up with me because they thought I'd be gentle with her (this was back when I was very beta).
Anyway, yea... I'd say 20-30 is pretty much the average for a woman in her mid 20s... I met one woman who was a little OCD, she was (more than) a little crazy and wrote things down... I was #39 at age 29. She was only at 12 at 25... So you can see how quickly the cock carousel can work.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
Actually, the statistic refers to any kind of sexual contact: oral, vaginal or anal. However, it doesn't include gay sex.
Glenbert 9y ago
THIS SHOULD NOT BE NEWS TO ANYONE, but especially on the Red Pill. You should all be out there cultivating the sorts of experiences that make this the conclusion of this study a no-brainer. If you're surprised by this, you have more work to do.
Say it with me, class: there is no such thing as a unicorn.
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Stythe 9y ago
Most women I know in their early 20's have a count over over 20. Also I'm being modest.
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Transmigratory 9y ago
To be honest, unless you're fucking girls regularly while you're in high school, the chances of you having virgins are extremely slim.
EnzoBlankz 9y ago
this is nothing new. I remember back in 7th grade & 8th kids were getting laid. Even I had several opportunities at that age but I was really beta.
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C00l_Guy 9y ago
This is a tough one to swallow.
Lucky the rule no hymen no diamond applies.
BabaElvis 9y ago
I am fucking glad I am not American.Religious restrictions do some good after all.
For you guys a woman who hasn't had a dick before you is just a fantasy.
cock_pussy_up 9y ago
America is one of the most religious western countries in the world. There are lots of religious restrictions, but people just ignore them. Women will go to church all the time, but they will still slut it up.
RPmatrix 9y ago
like mafia hitmen who go to confession! lol
I find it incredibly self deceptive and hippocritical ... the sloots!
sedatedinsomniac 9y ago
Religion is, unfortunately, in decline here. So is every other moral value, it seems.
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mryddlin 9y ago
Haha I just said the same thing.
I fucking hate the religious dudes here at times.
ThumpNuts 9y ago
They are oblivious.
They're not wrong in that religion does have some effect, but they clueless as to how small the effect really is. The greatest effect is the amount of lying there is in the culture in order to look as though they conform to community standards.
ZeeyardSA 9y ago
you muslim? lots of muslim "religious girls" do shit and act holy...
cock_pussy_up 9y ago
So do religious Christian girls.
BabaElvis 9y ago
Nope.And its not about who does what.
The thing is, in your culture its acceptable for a woman to have multiple partners before marriage.Even the guys in redpill are okay with upto 5 partners.
Where I am from a woman who isn't a virgin knows better that she fucked up and she'll hide it .She is in a postion of weakness.
Even if they are sluts, atleast conservative women are ashamed of it, whereas western women actually flaunt their sluttyness
RPmatrix 9y ago
"at least"?
WTF? Do you think they should be ashamed of being human?
josh3234 9y ago
if you love your country so much why do you shitskins keep invading our countries?
BabaElvis 9y ago
You even know where I am from dumbass?
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ZeeyardSA 9y ago
dude I agree with you...It is the same in the indian muslim community....however there are those that do have sex and HIDE..act like good girls..but are sluts
theofficeisreal 9y ago
Fellow Indian (Hindu) community member checking in. Couldn't agree more. They can (and do) try as hard as they can to charm any good indian fella, but the guy's mom instinctively knows the girl's game (at least in my experience) and alerts the guy. I always tell my bros to keep their parents in loop with these things even though it might feel embarrassing even to admit being in a relationship (you know how it is).
The women, they hide. The ones who don't, they usually don't have a happy ending. Spinster/quick divorce/marital problems.
ZeeyardSA 9y ago
Hey Man....Its a bit fucked in the Muslim community as the girl will go into Hijab and then start becoming the 5 times a day prayer girl and want a guy who never done shit....Fuck!
theofficeisreal 9y ago
Man..that's...complicated. What's their logic behind it? Camouflage, guilt or something?
ZeeyardSA 9y ago
More likely guilt and the want for a "good" guy...guy who is inexperienced and will be a proper beta bus.... Lots more...if u interested in knowing
theofficeisreal 9y ago
Sure, let me know! I am listening.
Also, it reminds me of girls who keep falling "bad boys" all this time before wanting the "good" guy now, is that correct?
ZeeyardSA 9y ago
Exactly
Below are my opinions based on my community and the people I have interacted with...This is not to say that What i am saying is the gospel as there are exceptions to this rule.
Good Muslim Guys Do not drink, take drugs or go out clubing. They are grounded in that the muslim beliefs that we have make us good providers and home builders.
The general all round good guy, who does not have lots of experience and will be a good loving husband. Cannot judge or compare his wife to any others....He will be a proper Beta Bix..However there are some very very Red Pill principles in Islam.... Its a pity that my anger that I have answered this now that my personal anger has subsided as I would have given you so much more a few weeks back when I was raging
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The girl I dated in college was definitely an 18 year old virgin, you could just tell from her lack of experience. Not to mention physical evidence. But with most girls I would take what they say on the subject with a grain on salt.
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I met my college LTR (and later fiance) when she was a frosh and I was a senior. Tried to tell me she was a virgin, but wouldn't bleed if we had sex because she broke hers riding horses. Total BS. No way she was a virgin given her vapid enthusiasm that night. Didn't matter to me though. No mess and good times, who cares?
RedPillAnonymous 9y ago
Raised by "redpill parents"? What are you talking about?
constructiveasshole 9y ago
in this case, parents that attempt to teach their daughter the value of her purity and discourage her from giving it up.
RedPillAnonymous 9y ago
That is traditionalism, which is mostly blue pill.
TheGillos 9y ago
Personally I don't care if they are virgins. I would like a respectably low number of partners.
cock_pussy_up 9y ago
I'd rather fuck an 18 year old non-virgin than a 40 year old woman who has also, most likely, been around the block since her teens. The 18 year old will generally have less baggage, and a better looking body.
A419a 9y ago
Moving some place where a 16 yo virgin is legal sounds even better.
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trphardmode 9y ago
Also, there is no crazy-ex like the crazy-ex who feels like you stole her virginity (or worse, the crazy-ex's brother or father who agrees). There are two types of women you do not want to have fall in love with you - the virgin you don't want as an LTR or the wife of a powerful man.
capt_behindsight 9y ago
Tbh I'm more upset women would lie. It's normal to have sex so don't hide the facts, it's just a bitchy thing to do
TheGillos 9y ago
As you can tell, a lot of guys care. Women lie to get what they want. It sucks, but that's reality.
aguy01 9y ago
Nature encourages them to lie and cheat on you.
Starkai 9y ago
I'm with you mate... unfortunately I've gone from 1 partner ever to just shy of 15 in the past year.. no stds or anything. I could be fucked in the head I'm not sure. I've gone from weak premature ejaculate guy to multiple orgasms over a 2 hr period of intensity. If I ever decide to settle down how do I honestly tell the SO?
TheGillos 9y ago
Are you a woman? If so, be honest and hope for the best. Some guys will care, more will not. But know that fucking a hockey team worth of guys can scar your psychology. There are studies you can find with some research.
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PetrolFlavored 9y ago
Unless she's a virgin, it's really a moot point because a) women notably lie about their n count and b) you can't verify the information
constructiveasshole 9y ago
But you can stalk her Facebook/Instagram. If she's "out" every weekend and looks wasted in her pictures, I assume 20+. If she tells me "5" then I know she's a liar and likely carrying an STD.
Also, easy way to test her is to say "I hope you know what the fuck you're doing in bed." If she blushes and giggles she's still shy about sex and likely has a lower n-count. If she jumps right in with "oh don't worry I got it" then you know like 30 dudes got there before you.
Cyralea 9y ago
Listen to a woman's actions, not her words. You can definitely deduce a fairly accurate count with some clever manipulation and by looking for certain cues.
Did she jump into bed with you on the first date? If she impulsive, covered in tats, smokes, etc? Chances are she hasn't had much luck showing restraint for cock either.
Play up being sex-positive. Lie through your teeth about it, make it seem like no big deal. Challenge her playfully that your partner count has to be much higher than hers. You can often get a surprisingly truthful answer out of them.
thegr8b8m8 9y ago
Whatever she jumped in bed with me on the first date because she really likes me a lot. She told me i was special and i have the biggest cock she's ever seen.
RedPillDad 9y ago
"Damn, she said the exact same thing to me..."
I've watched that exact scenario unfold when guys were comparing notes on a slutty coworker (lifeguards).
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Cyralea 9y ago
Not my experience at all, unless a girl is really young she knows better than to exaggerate her number. I've gotten women to admit their N-counts in the 20's/30's/50's. You can absolutely do it.
AWALT. People respond to incentives, and women who aren't completely retarded know that there is a strong incentive to lie about N-count. That is, until you make it appear that you're not one of those people who will judge her.
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I just see it as a "game" and perhaps it's personal preference but I don't think any form of game playing pays off. If I think a woman is lying then she probably is, and I have no reason to waste my time on a liar. If I catch one lying, that's it I'm done.
You're right though, it is something people do when they're "younger." However the threshold for being young is on the rise as maturity becomes more scarce. I'd say people in their late 20's will still exaggerate their number if they think it will suit them.
When you think about the reasons a woman might lie, they are ALL reasons why I would drop her. Either she is hiding her sleazy behavior that she hasn't grown out of, or she thinks I would run from her because she made mistakes like any woman.
Basically what I'm saying is "honesty is the best policy" and if I catch any hint a woman is a liar I don't want anything to do with her. No reason to waste time trying to extract truth from a liar, the romantic potential is gone already.
[deleted] 9y ago
Can someone explain whats up with this paleolithic obsession with virgins? Also why are women not allowed to have sex, but we're free to bang everything that moves? Im a little confused
Edit: Plenty of downvotes, but no explanation as of yet...
Cyralea 9y ago
Men and women are different. You can't uphold them to the same expectations.
Low-partner count women are strongly correlated with marriage fidelity and partner-bonding.
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By that definition you've pretty much stated its archaic as we now have both Birth Control, as well as DNA testing. One for avoiding pregnancy, one for confirming. So can we not be both free to explore our respective bodies without trying to control one another?
Reavver89 9y ago
Nobody said we like the fact that a girl that sucks someone else's dick every night turns us off - It's been biologically programmed into us men by evolution. So, yes - It's archaic as fuck to slutshame. But it's also human nature and denying how people tick in favor of spouting propaganda on 'how it should be' is shortsighted, naïve and asking for trouble (E.G. Girls that were told they SHOULD have sex with as many dudes as possible because Feminism, then they end up sad and alone post-wall).
BabaElvis 9y ago
I don't want to have casual sex at all.Its stupid and risky
Also the idea of being the first of a gorgeous young girl is one of the most satisfying things in the world.Just makes you feel more masculine.You'd subconsciously even care more for the girl.Its natural.
mryddlin 9y ago
No, your emotionally under developed and want an easy fuck.
Nothing special with virigins, its a total fantasy.
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Well dont have casual sex then, thats your choice and prerogative. You're also free to have requirements/ desires for what you want in a partner, however the world, or any anybody in it doesnt owe you an individual built to your specifications. Wether they come along or not is entirely up to fate.
BabaElvis 9y ago
Where did I say I am owed a virgin?
I want a woman who has similar values on sex and intimacy.
The problems isn't 'sluts'.Its lying sluts. Women who lower their number and their exploits when enquired about them.
asrfzd 9y ago
Out of interest, what do you consider a 'respectably low number of partners'?
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Context. First let's assume we have 100% trust in these two people:
22 year old female: "I went through a rough patch and made some mistakes. I've had 8 partners, but 6 of them meant nothing. Over the past year I've only had one partner and I thought I loved him" That is OK by me.
another 22 year old female: "I lost my virginity last year and since then I've slept with 6 men" If I hear this, I'm running, not walking, away from her.
Everybody makes bad decisions. I've had over 15 partners, but my situation matches the one in the first example. I would be a fool and a loser to judge someone on mistakes they have repented and learned from. We've all done some stupid things, just because a woman's mistake was a sexual one doesn't mean you're better than her.
thebalrog_ofmorgoth 9y ago
for me and my standards, i don't get out of bed for an N-count over 1. if she's had more than 1 cock in her then more than likely she will remain forever plate-zoned.
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fake7272 9y ago
haha 1 or two. and thats a stretch for a girl that I want to marry
anonlymouse 9y ago
I wouldn't look at # of partners, rather length of relationships. If they're short they're skipping from one to the other. If they're long it suggests they're putting an honest effort into making a relationship work - if they aren't, you've lost before you've begun.
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anonlymouse 9y ago
In that case, you still want (relatively) long relationships, with a track record of topping out at around 6 months, which is usually the longest a guy is willing to stick with a girl who won't put out.
antariusz 9y ago
My current LTR is 25. She admits to 2 long-term boyfriends of several years (one died after 2 years, giant red flag I know), and 4 total sexual partners.
Carry the 2, multiply by Poe's Constant, explicate the reciprocal...
I'm 32, was a virgin until 26, lost count around 60... somewhere around 100 now.
Low enough for me.
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That must have been a journey. Care to elaborate what happened around 26?
antariusz 9y ago
Got out of the military, started working in a restaurant (started socializing with large numbers of women for the first time since high school), learned PUA, got a better job with a 6 figure salary, lowered my standards to the floor, lost my virginity to a 3. Became a "greater beta" and started dating a LOT of single mothers. Found TRP and started having runaway success.
TheGillos 9y ago
Really depends on their age, how long the relationships were, how serious, etc. if in their early 20s I would consider under 5 ideal.
I expect some hampstering on the numbers though to get them lower.
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TheGillos 9y ago
Depends, 5 is low enough there's a better chance of telling the truth.
jimmybrite 9y ago
My 2nd girlfriend told me she had been with 40+ guys at 21. Pretty sure it was much more than that, or maybe that she had 40 boyfriends, that would be worse that's like 4 per year if you started dating at 11.
I was flabbergasted, of course she cried and tried to run away from my house. Bitch you're the problem not me, how do you think I feel being number 41 and you are my 2nd? I don't give as much of a fuck now but I was 19, gimme a break.
omnicidial 9y ago
Lol yell after "try not to suck any dick on the way across the parking lot!"
(old movie called clerks if you haven't seen it)
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Yeah... When I was 19 I was seeing some hot chick from my home town (She was 17, about to graduate). Forgot its a sailors town... We did it a few times and I asked the question of how many just for laughs. Apparently I was "somewhere in the high twenties", and apparently her last boyfriend was almost 30 years old. That was the last time we did anything lol.
fake7272 9y ago
anything over 10 at any age for a girl is kind of disgusting.
DreamBoatGuy25 9y ago
Lol, 40 by the age of 21 is insane by any measure with the exception of a post apocalyptic mad max movie.
I've never even encountered someone who admitted to the many partners. I can't even imagine what the hell kind of shitty, ghetto upbringing a girl would have to have to get to that number and then not even have the good sense to lie about it.
the_number_2 9y ago
I knew a girl, she was a friend of a friend (and we became casual acquaintances). She admitted to her number being in the low-mid 200's (at age 26). I didn't have much reason to doubt it, either, since everywhere we went she could point out at least one person she had sex with.
I mathed it out, and from what I could come up with, between that point and the point when she first had sex, she would have had to have sex with a new guy every two weeks.
That was insane to think about. A new guy EVERY TWO WEEKS. And it's not like she didn't date; she did. So that would mean, to make the average, she probably had 3 or 4 guys in one weekend at some points.
I could feel myself getting herpes by just being near her.
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trpftw 9y ago
Girls live in a slightly different world (especially if hot). A world where the amount of time you've spent in a sport, a video game, or reading, is equal to the amount of time girls have dealt with boyfriends or getting a boyfriend.
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My ex girlfriend (last gf ever) : I only fucked three other guys before you.....since the beginning of the school year 9 we were at the begining of October). One of my female friends told me about a fourth guy, I asked her about him(I was beta) and she told me "oh him? yeah buuuut you know I don't know if it counts since he wanted that we became friends afterwards. Hint : she cheated on me with him during all of our relationship. And with others of course). She was also giving free massages to everyone and everywhere (in class, in common room) and she was once caught in the toilets sucking a line of 10 guys' dicks but she couldn't understand how she earned the reputation of a whore "it's just for fun....but I think I will stop now, I've had my fun. Can I meet your family? :0"
toreno92 9y ago
Dante Hicks: 37! My girlfriend sucked 37 dicks!
Customer: In a row?
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Kiwikeeper 9y ago
Jeebus that's s lot of dick
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How do you sleep with 41 people by the age of 21, that's just insane super slut status. I mean sure its possible but you would have to literally just open your legs and yell next.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Easy... be a woman, with a vagina and low standards for the dude's you'll spread your legs for.
the_number_2 9y ago
Assuming she started (conservatively) at 18, that's one every... roughly 26 days*.
LIGHTBULB MOMENT: Wow, she must have just been trying to get pregnant.
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Well, if a girl go partying once a week, she will be able to have sex with a few people. If she only have sex with one it would take her only 41 months, which is approximately 3 years and a half.
And you know girls go clubbing more than once a week. And the guy at the grocery store, one of her friends' friend at a private party. The cool guy at school...
manwhowouldbeking 9y ago
sometimes more than 1 at a time maybe groups
foreverthinking 9y ago
It's easy if you're a young woman who dresses provocatively. You just sit there and look pretty.
DarkyDarkskin 9y ago
Can you imagine if that was all a man had to do? Sometimes I think about how different that world would be. Lol
foreverthinking 9y ago
No need to imagine - that can happen too. It's just very uncommon.
anonlymouse 9y ago
I knew a girl in high school who had 3 boyfriends in 1 day. Broke up in the morning, dating another guy at lunch, broke up with him, and with #3 after school.
At that rate she unsurprisingly asked me out a few weeks later. I turned her down.
R3v4mp3d 9y ago
If she was HB7 or above you should've hit her up. Rubber up good and go crazy.
I don't mind being number 10000 as long as I know that I don't get any STDs/ subsequent problems and that I got a piece of the cake.
She ditches you after? So what? You got a piece of the cake! Even better! You didn't marry up (no divorce rape), you didn't LTR her (no time/ resources wasted on her).
Edit: to all those that are against my idea: I understand that you don't wanna put your dick in a cum bucket but I see a direct correlation between how hot a chick is and how many partners she had. In my blue days I had two chicks that I was friends with that were ~7-8. For each relationship that I had, they had at least 3. They were CONSTANTLY in a relationship/ cheating/ fucking guys/ etc. I kept in touch with one of them and last time I had a serious long chat with her (about 1 year ago) she was still a nice 7 that could get to 9 if she put the effort into it. At that time she had 2 FWBs and was asking me if this co-worker of hers was good enough to be the third.
If you think that anything above 7 will be "a special saint girl that is waiting for the right guy" then you're crazy. If you think that anything above 7 "has a low partner" count (this is especially true in America; in Europe you MIGHT have a chance) then you're deluded. ALL girls default to the same things. Why? Because they literally want nothing more from life: they don't wanna do something meaningful unless pushed towards it; they don't wanna think; they don't wanna create; they don't wanna improve; etc. ALL and I do mean EVERY SINGLE ONE of the girls I managed to get close enough to as to see the mechanics of their thinking loved to: watch soap operas, listen to music, fuck, talk, bitch about issues (keep in mind!: they wanted to just bitch about them; they didn't wanna fix them), gossip. There was a HB 6 that was really into me and she'd sometimes tell me "let's do stuff together" but when I'd ask what the conversation went blank; I always had to come up with stuff to do. She was the only one out of the 28 girls that I met.
So there you have it: AWALT. You want a 7 (or above), get ready to go have a shower with her before you get pumping and rubber up.
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The piece of the ten thousand dick cake. I have no interest.
aguy01 9y ago
People are downvoting you... oh how far we have fallen.
Marsupian 9y ago
Downvoting a guy for suggesting you smash a 7+. Must be a new low.
exuals 9y ago
I prefer somewhat of a challenge.
anonlymouse 9y ago
Nah, I have zero interest in hook-ups or STRs.
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exit_sandman 9y ago
Yeah, that's the problem of women not getting men.
They're told that slutting it up is okay and no decent man will judge them for it, until exactly that happens.
OppenheimersGuilt 9y ago
I wouldn't say they all think it's OK. I would say rather that they either have or are that shitty friend who encourages them saying: "come on girl it's just a bit of fun!"
exit_sandman 9y ago
I am talking about those women who don't get men and behave like that because they're convinced it's no big deal.
DreamBoatGuy25 9y ago
It's Utopianism, It's a small group of Westerners that have decided for everyone else on the planet how the world should work and they think if they shout about it long enough and loudly enough, it will magically happen through the shear force of berating everyone who disagrees with them.
The problem is attraction is not a choice and aversion to female promiscuity has been a cultural mainstay in nearly every society in recorded history. It's not a conspiracy of men to convince women not to fuck us. It's not political. It doesn't sit on the conservative/liberal spectrum. It's just how attraction works. And you're not going to bully or brainwash people into changing what they are attracted to anymore than than you can bully or brainwash gay people into being attracted to members of the opposite sex.
PlanB_pedofile 9y ago
Captain save a ho or thirsty thirsty beta will wife her up.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Yeah and he'll get cucked with Chad's baby.
redpilldiscourse 9y ago
This kind of stuff blows me away. It really does.
What is the solution, then? Never get into an LTR? Never get married? Never have kids?
I'm 35 and not really sure what to do. I am very thankful, however, to have dodged so many bullets in my life. I'm 35, single, never married, and no kids. I've been in an LTR though, and almost got married. And she had a kid. Oh the bullets I dodged. I am so very grateful.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Easy... DNA test any and all children that women claim you are the father of. Regardless if she was a ONS, LTR or your Wife.
OrpheusV 9y ago
Kids seems to be the greatest common factor among people getting screwed in divorces/marriage.
Not having kids seems to cut any damage down a good 50% at a minimum.
HerculestheRed 9y ago
Not sure why this is getting downvoted. TRP is about seeing things for how they really are, instead of how they should be or how we would like them to be.
As stated in the OP, if 70% (likely more) aren't virgins at 18, there's a 7/10 chance if you meet a woman who claims to be a virgin, she's lying. It's just the state of the culture in which hypergamy is encouraged.
It'd be great if 70% of women WERE virgins, but the RP thing is to accept that they're not. Accepting women as they are is part of it.
In a land of lemons, it's more realistic to rent a car with low mileage so you don't get sold on a 50 year lease for a "new" car that has "only one previous owner, promise."
Play the game for what it is, not how you wish it was.
exit_sandman 9y ago
That's not how it works. If 70% aren't virgins at 18, there's a 7/10 chance that if you meet a woman, she isn't a virgin - that's it. Women who aren't virgins don't pretend 100% of the time that they are.
TreePlusTree 9y ago
Thank you, that was bothering me too lol. The point still stands, but it's like no one understands math at all.
the_red_scimitar 9y ago
Actually, you've made the same error OP did, albeit to a smaller extent. It isn't "women you meet", it's "for any 18 year old woman." You have to remove the "meet" part because... well, that meeting process may include screening of some kind, eh? Let's say "if you meet a woman at a virgin's pep rally..." - you see? The conditions under which meeting occurs could affect the probability.
So it's just, "if there's an 18 year old woman, there's a 70% chance she's not a virgin." And I'm sure that statement is only true within the context of the population or demographics of the study that produced the probability.
exit_sandman 9y ago
Technically you're right, however in the context of dating I don't care about the status of the hymen of a girl I don't know. Up until that point, Schroedinger's virginity applies to every woman - she's simultaneously a virgin and not a virgin (with the likelihood of her being the latter becoming progressively greater over time) until I meet her and it becomes an issue.
the_red_scimitar 9y ago
Well, it was only the technical part I was commenting on. I've no comment at all on the virgin thing, as it's not on my radar, and since I'm non-monogamous and not looking for a live-in LTR, virgins have no relevance to my dating pool.
I may, however, steal "Schoedinger's virginity", thank you.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
The actual statistic was that 30% of 18 and 19 year old respondents claimed to have never had sexual contact with a member of the opposite sex. It dropped to about 1-in-8 for the 20-24 year old cohort. . The percentages vary slightly by race, and probably by IQ (they break it down by education - the better educated, the more likely they are virgins - but most people don't complete a university degree until age 22). It probably also varies by region, religion, family status (single parent vs intact nuclear family) and a number of other factors.
DarthRoach 9y ago
Actually, I doubt IQ has any bearing on the number of sexual partners. In fact, many smart girls are part of the progressive crowd and therefore massive whores. Same as many high IQ guys are skinny, fat or skinnyfat and antisocial.
Hell, if you control for blacks (lower average iq but also complete lack of traditional values), I would assume it's positively correlated as lower IQ individuals tend to be more religious as well, which implies less sexual partners.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
They don't have the stats for IQ, and I don't have my copy of The Bell Curve handy, but they do break it down by education level which is a proxy for intelligence.
Women with a bachelors degree are 5 times as likely to be virgins as a high school drop out. High school drop outs and college grads have about the same chance of having 4+ partners in a year, but high school graduates and those with only some college at more than twice as likely. College grads have a median number of lifetime partners of 2.9 while the median for high school grads is 4.1
According to the racial breakdown, Hispanic women are far less sluttier than their white or black counterparts, which may have a Catholic thing going on there. Black men are twice as likely as white men to have had 15+ lifetime partners with a median of 6.9 compared to 5.1
DarthRoach 9y ago
Ok, data beat conjecture any day of the week.
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HerculestheRed 9y ago
I think you misunderstand. At no point did I state they will all always lie. I simply stated that if she is saying she's a virgin, odds are she isn't.
But that's a tertiary point since what I was actually saying is that virginity doesn't matter for ONS/plates. You're going to fuck her until one of you gets bored. You don't level up by popping her cherry. Virginity is better if you're planning to marry her since, going back to those probability, the less her n-count the less likely she is to divorce you and leave with cash and prizes.
But that's for a specific type of pickup: ltr/marriage minded.
You, I, and every other guy on here who's had virgins know that it's great and all but if you add unnecessary value to it, it's just easier to fall into beta shit like putting the (untouched) pussy on a pedestal.
Wrap it up and game on.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
Virgins have no frame of reference. The more men that a woman has had sex/relationships with, the more the tendency for her to look for a fantasy man with all the best traits and none of the faults of all her exes combined. Even if her n-count is just one, if that one was Chad Thundercock who completely rocked her world it doesn't matter if you are a saint and he was a complete douchebag, she will be looking for Saint Thundercock and is no longer marriage material (been there, done that).
BabaElvis 9y ago
Exactly.And a man who took a woman's virginity and fucked her in the peak years of her life is never getting out of her mind.
Because a decent woman won't give up her virginity just like that.The guy must've been very special for her
Glenbert 9y ago
More upvotes for this. Had the same experience.
mryddlin 9y ago
Where are you guys getting the info to come to this conclusion.
She's gonna divorce you because our culture encourages them to if you do anything they dislike (almost certain you will).
I am literally asking btw because it seems a bunch if guys here think virgins are special and it seems like bullshit to me, the fantasy of the perfect women type stuff.
RancidTurnip 9y ago
Well, aside from obvious things like baggage and possible disease, statistical evidence shows a correlation between higher numbers of sexual partners and divorce/dissatisfaction in relationships noted in both men and women (though slightly more significant in women)
Granted correlation does not imply causation, but still the evidence is pretty damning.
I'm trying to find one article in particular, it had a really nice graph on it but I seem to have forgotten where it was.
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mryddlin 9y ago
I know what you are talking about, he's a Canadian and put a very weak study from the another study.
I commented on the TRP that there was some major confirmation bias going on with that. It is not a reliable source, it was clear he massaged the fuck out of the data.
It just feels like pedestaling virigins as something special and they never have been.
Thanks for the reply, I was wondering where the meme came from.
Glenbert 9y ago
People will often trade one mirage of security for another mirage of security. Instead they should simply learn to make their own comfort amid chaos.
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RancidTurnip 9y ago
Can you be any more wrong? There's many cultures to this day that claim virgins are the only women worth marrying. Women lie en masse claiming to be virgin, virgin women proudly boast over having an intact hymen, men boast about taking womens virginity. If it really honestly doesn't matter, then there's quite a few things that don't add up logically
Society as a whole value a womans virginity because it actually is valuable. It always has been since biblical times and even before that.
There are tribes in Africa that never even see western culture that still value a womans purity.
mryddlin 9y ago
There are tribes in Africa that haven't seen a toilet, I'm not impressed and that doesn't prove anything.
So what you are saying is that there are many cultures that still pedestal women. So exactly what I said, seems you are agreeing with me there buddy.
It only matters to them because they have placed virgins on pedestals.
There is where you are terribly wrong and have got it completely backwards. Women's value, today and throughout history, derives from their ability to make babies, not their virginity (otherwise women that lost a spouse young would never have been taken up, if she can make babies someone would take her). Virginity being something special is just marketing, it has no inherit value other than being a market indicator (Bulls versus Bears exists everywhere, including the sexual market place).
High number of virgins implies a Bear market, buyers are cautious and sellers are pushing the value up any way they can. Western society is in a bull market in the SMP, buyer and seller confidence is high and trading is going on furiously but that bubble will pop, we are seeing signs of it all over.
With all bubble cycles the ATH of the last bubble, will be the ATL of the next cycle. Its how humans continually move forward even though it appears to be a shit storm all the time when looking at the historical level.
This is also why men have no value, why we have to carve out our own value to society. We have nothing to offer but a load of jizz and the hard work we put in, women can offer baby making.
It all comes from that one point, it's why there are so few homeless women, why every society through out history gives them the pussy pass and why we have always placed so many restrictions on them to maintain their value.
RancidTurnip 9y ago
So throughout all of written history a womans chastity is held in high regards, even among people who don't have access to said history, but it's actually not worth anything simply because women make babies? That makes no logical sense.
An individual woman isn't valuable to an individual man simply because she can have children, if you have value you can replace an individual woman easily. In fact newly married women who were found to not be virgins were stoned to death in the old testament. What's truly valuable to an individual man is that an individual woman will have HIS children.
A good, growing society values women for reproduction and chastity as a whole, but that's because society needs growth and production. If you stop valuing the reproduction that stems from women our numbers dwindle and start dieing out, If you stop valuing chastity, the production that stems from men ends and society collapses in upon itself.
I'm thinking that is where your confusion stems from. Somehow you've ignored what growing societies value in favor of our current failing societies values, which redpill isn't exactly the poster child for.
kcuck 9y ago
You're trying to rationalise your current view point, try and be open minded and consider what mryddlin is saying, you still hasn't provided a reason why virginity would be valuable
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RancidTurnip 9y ago
You mean aside from the reasons I already listed like no baggage, no diseases, and being statistically less likely to have an affair or initiate a frivolous divorce that you and him conveniently disregard?
He has yet to make a point as for why a slut is just as valuable as a virgin aside from that she is still reproductively capable, which anyone familiar with what outside is like knows that men in general prefer women with more conservative numbers of sexual partners. If something is preferred it's believed to have good value.
He can argue how he wants the world to be until he's blue in the face, but making simple observations of what the majority of the worlds societies value is hardly rationalizing a view point.
BabaElvis 9y ago
What if she's been fucked real good by one guy continuously for 4 years.
The attachment would be immense.I 'd say this scenorio is actually worse than a woman with 3-4 short term partners.
The longer you fuck her,the more drilled you get in her psyche.
constructiveasshole 9y ago
that's probably case-by-case. if she's an alpha widow, then yeah, it's not worth it. but sometimes the girl coming out of the LTR is looking for new dick.
sedatedinsomniac 9y ago
Being with one guy for several years means she can form pair-bonds. It's a good sign. In a world where virgins are scarce, the girls who have low N-counts are prizes. The low count girls aren't low count because they are turning down sex. They're low count because they are only giving it up to guys they are in LTRs with. They're looking for husbands.
BabaElvis 9y ago
If a girl is unable to lock down a guy after 4 years she is a failure
Also it just sucks that there was another guy in her life for such a long amount of time.Probably in her peak too.
esayer 9y ago
LOL no. Someone isn't a 'failure' if they don't get married. Idiot.
BabaElvis 9y ago
She kind of is.Gave her best years to a guy and still didn't garner his commitment.Its what the game is all about
esayer 9y ago
What if he was a dbag and left him? Why is it only a failure on the woman's part? That is just stupid reasoning. Plus y'all always talk about never marrying, why is not getting married suddenly a bad thing? You can't have it both ways.
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TheGillos 9y ago
I guess you just have to fuck better (or different but equal) and give her more tingles than the last guy. Shouldn't be hard, after 4 years most relationships are pretty sexless and stale.
BabaElvis 9y ago
Too many assumptions there.
Even if you do well, there's will be times where she'll just crave her ex's technique, his smell , a sexual quirk of his. She won't do anything abt it but she'll feel it.Pretty natural.You don't just forget someone you fucked for a long time.
I am saying go for a ltr relationship but no need to legally tie yourself to a woman who isn't conservative and a virgin.
TheGillos 9y ago
Whatever, is your self esteem so weak you can't stand her having an ex and possibly thinking about him? Lol.
You think that virgin isn't wondering about what it would be like to fuck her boss, or the pool boy or the milk man?
A conservative virgin isn't some guarantee. She'll always wonder what she missed, who she might still fuck, might even resent you.
BabaElvis 9y ago
What she missed?If a woman wants she will have limitless sex with limitless alphas.
Which is why women who believe sex is for marriage and only fuck their husbands are a safe bet.Because there's nothing stopping a 'liberated' woman.
She could be fucking her hot colleague , her project manager and you would never know.Just because she lets you do anal , doesn't mean you are the only one she has let her do that.
I am just saying you can't fuck her into completely forgetting her ex.Its unfair to expect that.
TheGillos 9y ago
Can we agree on that? I know the statistics, it's a safer bet. But still a bet. Don't be fooled. The thrill of the unknown, the jealousy of other women's experiences, and hypergamy are strong.
BabaElvis 9y ago
Well no shit.Isn't it all about bettering our chances?
And if a pretty woman is a virgin by her early 20s in this whore applauding culture, rest assured she doesn't give a fuck about other women and has better self control than most.
Not saying she won't change,but she is least likely to.
TheGillos 9y ago
My point is just because she doesn't have the memories of the ex she does have the questions which can hamster into all sorts of things (including leaving and/or cheating) - even ignoring my point about jealousy and hypergamy.
Virginity isn't high on my list, but I also don't want marriage, so like I said. I agree with the statistics, but at the end of the day AWALT.
BabaElvis 9y ago
Honestly I only want a virgin just for marriage.Otherwise I am okay with upto 2-3 partners for a ltr.
We have let go of every tradition except the biggest baddest one.Marriage doesn't fit in today's culture.And way too risky for a guy.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
I'm 54 years old.
Kids at 14 (when I grew up) were already having sex back in the 1970's.
You have to go back to about the 1800's when women were virgins before marriage.
The first wave of sexual liberation happened immediate after the women's right to vote: (June 4, 1919)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage
This began the Roaring Twenties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Twenties
...so basically the moment women got the vote they knew they didn't need men as much and they have been fucking more and more ever since.
Everything returns to the voting of women... they ended the usefulness of the family once they didn't need it to survive.
TaylorWolf 9y ago
LoL people were getting drunk as fuck in the 20s
spectrum_92 9y ago
That's not quite right.
It's true that a first, earlier wave of sexual liberation began in the 1920s (certainly not any earlier than that), following the invention of latex in 1920, which made condom manufacturing cheaper and easier. Nonetheless, social attitudes were still overwhelmingly against promiscuity, and the 'liberation' was really just restricted to bohemian/intellectual circles personified by the most famous authors of the day, like Hemingway and Fitzgerald.
The real sexual revolution was the 1960s however, as not only did a new form of contraception come about that allowed women to control their fertility, but most importantly, society's attitude towards sex totally changed in a way it never did earlier in the 20th century.
There's little to no connection between women voting and their sexual liberation. The reason why some American commentators saw a connection was that women's liberation occurred in the US in 1919, a year before the invention of the latex condom and the 'Roaring Twenties'. But most other democratic countries had granted women the vote long before then, such as South Australia, where women were voting as early as 1894, with absolutely no change in sexual behaviours or attitudes.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
1894 versus 1919, yeah that's such a huge difference. (sarcasm)
The process was gradual. The First World War killed so many men and in such a pointless and meaningless way that masculinity itself came under question. This seemed to make it easier for women to get the vote. Monarchy really lost out in WWI as all the traditional powers collapsed. (and Monarchy is a symbol of masculine power... think Putin)
Once women got the vote there was still "conservative inertia" that has always slowed the pace of degeneracy. It's called the Overton Window.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
Then after WWII there was a brief fertility period where everyone wanted babies. We call it the Baby Boom and that ended in 1961 or so.
So you have to factor in world events. History never flows in neat sound bites.
Ronald Reagan singlehandedly slowed the progressives for nearly a decade before it flooded forward again with Bill Clinton who actually was more conservative personally than the party who elected him.
Things are never perfect and neat... it's always a messy thing... history.
spectrum_92 9y ago
There are 25 years between 1894 and 1919, which is an entire generation, so yes, it is significant when talking about a cultural shift.
Not understanding your connection between the end of WW1 and women's suffrage as, again, most western democracies had given women the vote long before then. All the traditional powers did not collapse after WW1, Russia, Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire did, but none of them were democracies in the first place. Not understanding the connection between monarchy and Putin considering he is not a monarch and Russia hasn't had one since 1917.
As for Ronald Reagan stemming the tide of cultural progressivism, again wrong. The divorce to marriage ratio remained stagnant throughout his presidency, as did the abortion rate, fertility rates and pre-marital sex rates.
NeoreactionSafe 9y ago
Putin has made it abundantly clear he is restoring the traditions related to monarchy. It might not be official, but monarchy takes generations to build up.
I was just talking with a guy whose wife is Russian and this was a "given" in that conversation.
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Trail_of_Jeers 9y ago
The only reasons to want a virgin:
Less divorce risk.
Less chance of STD. The schadenfreude of making her an Alpha Widow.
But if you aren't getting married and are careful, then bang every girl you want.
I won't defend sluts like other fuckers here, except to say they are fun plates.
oldredder 9y ago
no such lesser divorce risk.
The actual risk is finances. http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/marriage-divorce-statistics
Trail_of_Jeers 9y ago
Virgins are less likely to divorce. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=cfhvVfH3CMS-ggSI9YK4Cw&url=http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html%3Fm%3D1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFhYPx8mVFBTaoAN86HvTaTcK7PJA&sig2=CbvODrW09AxSOYcFUn7qwA
oldredder 9y ago
They're not. Virgins are just as likely to cheat and once there's cheating it may be the husband who demands the divorce - then it's over anyhow.
http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/marriage-divorce-statistics
Trail_of_Jeers 9y ago
Thanks for the link proving yourself wrong. Saves me the trouble.
oldredder 9y ago
I only proved myself double-correct - thanks for admitting you are a crybaby and want to suck my dick. The link clearly shows partner count has ZERO correlation here, absolutely CAN NEVER decide if divorce is more likely or not. Ever.
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anonlymouse 9y ago
Are you a woman? Is that why you can't do math? 30% is far from a myth.
ThumpNuts 9y ago
30% if you find an 18-year old girl AND if every woman in that survey was honest.
What are the odds that 100% of them were honest? What are the odds that 100% of the women who were not a virgin would admit they lost their virginity?
What are the odds that 100% of women are honest... about anything... ever?
anonlymouse 9y ago
If you're not going to believe they're honest, why bring up their survey in support of your argument? That's just being stupid.
ThumpNuts 9y ago
Are 100% of them being honest?
Yes, or no?
anonlymouse 9y ago
Irrelevant. If that's your angle, you were stupid to cite the survey in the first place.
ThumpNuts 9y ago
I'm stupid?
Who believes women are 100% honest?
anonlymouse 9y ago
You're stupid because you provided a survey of women to support your argument.
ThumpNuts 9y ago
???
I didn't "provide" the survey?!? I questioned it.
YOU are citing the survey.
There is a disconnect here. Anyway... good luck.
anonlymouse 9y ago
No, you used it in support of your argument. That's pretty clear. You're saying that there's a 70% chance that someone claiming to be a virgin is lying, based on that survey.
ThumpNuts 9y ago
LOL.
Nope.
Someone else wrote that in another comment.
My point is: Women lie. AWALT.
swedishfalk 9y ago
Seems like everybody on this subreddit is a jealous Beta. You want to bang 100 plus girls, but you want them all to be virgins? If your truly an Alpha, you should be able to enjoy a girl with history, makes it more fun. A true Alpha keeps both Betas and Alpha women around, a wolf is nothing without his pack, seems like everybody here is lonely wolfs roaming and moaning. Go fuck a few 1s, work you way up to 3s, don't expect to be banging 10s just because you think you deserve it.
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Sir_Shitlord_focker 9y ago
If you want virgins head to the Philippines, 600 $ will get you a virgin.
RPmatrix 9y ago
yeah, and they can get their hymens 'reconstructed' for $200!
Gioware 9y ago
You really started good but ended up sounding like butthurt, why the hate? If they are lying I think any experienced male can verify virginity with ease. Chill da fuck out.
saraburzy 9y ago
Good post, but thought it might be of value to add that a lot of women 'blossom' later, so to speak. When I was in middle and high school I was unattractive, slightly overweight, timid around most people, and not as feminine as others but upon entering college I became more disciplined in lifting, running, eating well, studying/working, better clothing, and having generally healthy habits. Accordingly, my body became svelte and toned, I became much more social, and for the first time was genuinely happy. All of these factors contributed to gaining more attention, and despite called gorgeous by a few men who asked me out, I was still a virgin at 20.
I am not religious, and as a result don't have institutional limitations lingering over me when I make personal or sexual decisions. However, I did want to gift my virginity to a man, who, due to his own crafts is fulfilled and doesn't necessarily need anything from me, to demonstrate my discipline and potential devotion to him even in a detached, ideological way before I ever was met with his physical form. It's arousing to be dominated, but even more so to feel more immersed in it by helping contribute to the part from my own contributions rather than just his. While his life is substantially improved by disciplining himself in the service of becoming a better man, it's evermore enhanced when I do that for the purpose of becoming the best possible version of myself as a woman.
This is also not to say I am better than any woman who has had other partners, just that it is both more immersive and arousing for me personally to only have one.
When I met the man I chose to give my virginity to, he was skeptical because when he met me, not only was I in my prime, but I was also in the best physical, emotional, and intellectual state of being I had ever been in. What he didn't know what that this wasn't always the case even though in my mind I of course know I maintained my own standards. This isn't just ignoring invitations to one night stands, but to additionally preserve my virginity for a man I wholesomely wanted to devote myself to. Beyond that, he didn't seem swayed by the fact that I had never had a relationship, serious or casual.
I suppose the point more or less is that upon meeting a woman, you never really know what point of her narrative you've entered. Always be wary and trust your instincts, of course, but also don't presume all attractive women have lived their entire lives that way such that they were naturally more involved in sexual activity.
oldredder 9y ago
none I ever saw. The blossoming is 15-18 and it's over
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jimmybrite 9y ago
A lot of women in my area lost their virginity around 10-15 years old.
This was 15 years ago, can you imagine how bad it is now?
HerculestheRed 9y ago
Dudes in your area were fucking 10, 11, and 12 year old girls? Are you in some war torn shithole or a first world country?
Jesus. Reminds me of "I haven't been fucked that good since grade school." - Marla Singer
wiseclockcounter 9y ago
he's not in a war-torn shithole, but he knows where you can get one if you're interested!
^badum ^tshh
anyways, realistically it's always the jock boys from the grade above them that are fucking the girls that young.
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wont_tell_i_refuse 9y ago
Who cares? Enjoy the decline.
For the record, I met a ridiculously curvy (hourglass figure with HH cup boobs) 19 year old virgin and deflowered her. She was a nerd chick. Left her after 4 years out of pure Coolidge Effect. AMALT.
kingofpoplives 9y ago
This factor does not get enough play around here. It doesn't matter if you marry a virgin 10/10 at age 17. Within 3-5 years both of you will have extremely little sexual attraction to each other.
Women prefer to solve this problem with serial monogamy. The ideal situation for men is multiple open relationships.
ThumpNuts 9y ago
THIS!
And I say that as a married man.
There seems to be a split in the "Red Pill" community. There are men who have accepted reality - AWALT - and men who are unicorn hunting.
All women are sluts. Period. All men are sluts. Period. We're all sluts.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule, and "all" doesn't literally mean "all." There are plenty of men who wouldn't be able to get it up, even if they had the opportunity to cheat on their wives or girlfriends. AND there are plenty of women who were virgins and married their high school sweetheart and later fucked a handsome and brilliant Art Director she met at a hotel bar just to see what a big cock felt like [but in her defense, this hypothetical man was very persuasive and they had a 'real' connection, and they would never see each other again - so it doesn't count].
BUT, of course, some of us are more slutty than others and have different opinions on what a "slut" is. This is a distraction.
The point is you're not going to find a loyal virgin slave to fuck for the rest of your life and live 'happily ever after.' AND if you do - congrats - you bagged yourself a unicorn. You are the exception, not the rule. Yeah, swallowing the Red Pill will increase your odds of this happening, but if you REALLY swallowed the pill, this wouldn't matter to you anymore.
Don't focus on finding a VIRGIN, focus on finding someone LOYAL. VIRGIN does not equal LOYAL and a CHEATER will always be a CHEATER. Sure a virgin is more likely to be loyal than a slut, but you're not going to find a virgin by the time your willing to settle down, and if you do she's a liar or your a pedophile.
nicethingyoucanthave 9y ago
I can propose an option that is even better than this: focus on retaining your freedom.
Men obsess about women being virgins in part because they're planning to lock themselves into a relationship with her, and they want to have the lowest-possible risk in that relationship. Try this - don't get locked in - ever. If you're always willing and able to walk away, then the only thing that matters is her behavior at that moment.
Don't live together. Sure as hell don't get married. If she's loyal, that's awesome. But if she's not, you lol and move on to the next one with no complicated legal strings to cut.
bebestman 9y ago
Would be willing to write something on that topic?
kingofpoplives 9y ago
Is there a specific question I can answer for you?
I feel like Black Dragon has already covered this stuff extremely well, so you'd be better off just reading there:
http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2015/05/25/confessions-of-a-serial-monogamist/
In addition to explaining female compulsion towards serial monogamy (with scientific research to boot) he also goes into great detail about his own system for getting and maintaining open relationships with multiple women.
bebestman 9y ago
Exactly what I had in mind. If the link wasn't submitted to TRP yet, I think a lot of people would be grateful if you give a summary of this and link it.
thrway1312 9y ago
Still don't understand this community's aversion to open relationships -- one step up from spinning plates IMO and it's been treating me very well the past few years.
Maybe too many stories of cuckolded husbands in "open" relationships have spoiled the concept.
Edit: typical downvotes whenever I mention my open relationship; not sure if butthurt or incredulous.
kingofpoplives 9y ago
I think it's because the majority of TRPers actually have not fully swallowed the pill and completely grasped it's implications. These guys still believe in The Perfect LTRâ„¢ if only they could find The Right Oneâ„¢ and the social conditioning that says guys who refuse to settle down and run through an endless string of girlfriends are selfish/bad people/womanizers, etc.
Another misconception is that you need the monogamous LTR for emotional connection and fulfillment, without that you're just "plate spinning vapid sluts". Of course, multiple open relationships with quality women requires a high level of game and relationship management skill that most guys simply don't have, so they think it's not possible
Yea...pretty much. The open relationship works in a man's favor when he keeps it open from the start. He keeps his options, keeps his independence, and keeps her eager to please and attracted. When the woman asks to open up what was previously exclusive, the man is starting from a place of zero options...of course she is going to be out there banging around before he gets any.
thrway1312 9y ago
Sums up my thoughts well and fairly accurately describes why I can't stand this subreddit for much more than a few days at a time.
Talon1212 9y ago
Maybe it has to do with the fact I have never read a success story from the the husbands/boyfriends point of view. I would also assume most men are serial monogamist. While I'm in a relationship I give 100% loyalty and I expect the same.
If she were to ever ask for an open relationship it would be an instant next.
kingofpoplives 9y ago
Check out this blog: http://blackdragonblog.com
Most men just go along with this because it's what women push for and what's most socially acceptable. When a guy has a hot girl that wants to be his GF, that is extremely hard to resist the first few times because he just wants the sex so badly.
Open relationships with multiple hot women is the next level because it requires the guy to resist that temptation to LTR (knowing that she may walk way) because he knows he will always find another hot girl, and can have multiple hot girls, much less drama, and much more freedom, if he merely sticks to his open relationship policy.
Talon1212 9y ago
Checked out the blog, its basically written everything theredpill has already stated(lol they even have feminist mad max).
To me, the thought of an open relationship brings nothing but disgust. But to each his own. If it makes you happy , keep doing what you do man. I'll keep doing what I like at the same time.
thrway1312 9y ago
Same narrative I hear repeated time and time again; as a non-monogamist this reads as a deep-seated scarcity mentality, but I'd never start a closed relationship to begin with.
See /u/kingofpoplives' response to mine for a better explanation.
PS just because we don't post field reports/analyses doesn't mean we don't exist.
kingofpoplives 9y ago
It's too bad that this is the case...but yea I could never really see myself putting in the effort to post a detailed FR. At this point, it all feels like more of the same anyways...
My guess is it's because the newbs feel their experiences are more meaningful because of the novelty of TRP in their newb minds.
There really should be an expert level sub for more experienced seducers.
thrway1312 9y ago
My thoughts precisely -- any deviation from the RP starter kit gets shunned and the circlejerk keeps them oblivious.
AlreadyRed was supposed to be the chosen one...
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RiseAboveRuin 9y ago
Who gives a shit if they are a virgin? If you're over the age of 21 and you're looking for virgins to have sex with that's borderline predatory behavior. Besides all of the drama that comes along with sleeping with a virgin isn't worth it.
With that said, there are three girls in my social circle who are between 20-24 who are certainly virgins. They are hot too. I know that this is uncommon but they are out there.
Doctor_Mayhem 9y ago
My best friend's girl was a virgin before he got to her. She was 21 at the time. They do exist, but... yeah... If you're over the age of 21, you say? Shit, I'd say if you're over the age of 18, you might as well toss that out the window. Good news: Not like you gotta get married to get the pussy. So, really, what value is virginity?
dr_warlock 9y ago
I find it very intriguing how the 'partnered' vaginal intercourse frequency of women is much higher than that of the men, specifically the 'not in past year' category.
whimsicai 9y ago
I think reported frequencies are too unreliable to draw strong conclusions from.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
It's only 0.7% of women and 1.5% of men who were currently married but didn't have sex in the last. Small numbers but the fact that double the number of men reported that status it seems to say that 0.8% of married women were cuckolding the husband: no sex for him but they got some on the side.
However, married men were more likely than married women to have had 2 or more partners.
The part that I found interesting is that divorcees are the group most likely to not be getting any and the most likely to have had 4+ partners in a year.
usul1628 9y ago
I couldn't track down the numbers, but with small numbers like these the margin of error is pretty high. Suppose they surveyed 500 men and 500 women in an unbiased way. That's a very good study in terms of numbers. Of those say 250 of each was married. Of those 500, 6 people, 4 men and 2 women, reported having no sex in the past year. That makes it very difficult to try and draw conclusions besides "there aren't many".
BlaiseDB 9y ago
The sample of married people was about 27,000 for each gender so you are looking at maybe 180 women and maybe 400 men who were not getting any. The numbers were reported as 0.7(0.3) and 1.5(0.5) with the bracketed number the margin of error.
omnicidial 9y ago
I can probably clarify on the divorcee thing.
I'm currently getting divorced, I'm good looking, funny, etc... For the bars here no bullshit if I'm not the top 2 or 3 guy in the entire building it's a very weird night.
It's people who were married and because of that they weren't really in the pool trying to get laid, now that they're not married they get to drop right into a bar and get laid no effort. Some people get divorced because they suck, some people get divorced because their spouse sucks, I fell into the getting divorced because my spouse sucks camp.
BlaiseDB 9y ago
Did your spouse suck or did she blow? Or did she do neither which was the real tragedy in your sex life? :-)
omnicidial 9y ago
Hah she did a good job blowing everyone else, got caught, and is living with some short beta dude she got to fall for her.
aguy01 9y ago
I find it interesting that they left out the fact that of those 30% who are virgins, approximately 98.9% of them have sucked some dick.
RedBigMan 9y ago
Or they didn't count anal (common in mormon communities for chicks to take it in the ass so she doesn't pop her cherry until her wedding night).
dr_warlock 9y ago
If you sucked dick and took it in the ass, you're not a 'virgin'. At least not the image they attempt to convey when using that word.
RedBigMan 9y ago
As long as she bleeds on her wedding night dudes will think he got a virgin.
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Forty_Deuce 9y ago
None of the girls in my senior class were virgins. Even fat, dorky looking Ivy who got on everyone's damn nerves. This was back in 97. This is just a cold hard fact. Women are exposed to sex a whole lot earlier than men. Weather it was consensual or not doesn't matter. The chances are very high that the sweet girl you have a crush on, has had sex already.
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My first fuck was a 15 year old (I was 16, the age of consent).
She was kinky too. Wanted little innocent me to verbally degrade her "call me a bitch. call me a slut" things of that nature.
Funny way to lose your virginity.
edit: Later I had a 17 year old girlfriend who I subsequently found out was secretly a street walker.
PlanB_pedofile 9y ago
My cousin lost his virginity at 15 to another 15 year old. Contracted an STD. Turned out the gal visited truck stops.....
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redpilldiscourse 9y ago
Holy crap. Is it common for so many underage girls looking for older men? O_O
TaylorWolf 9y ago
Haha dude is like "which truck stops!?"
One_friendship_plz 9y ago
Honestly, I said fuck it and I'm only into sluts and older women now because I don't like the liars trying to game me with all their shit-tests.
Sluts & older women take no effort on my part, I could still bang HB9's with little resistance the single concern I have is STD's.
I don't trust them, women add nothing to your life after TRP outside of sex. Instead of spending a fortune, a bunch of dates and rejections and bullshit tests and drama, I could just get my dick wet on the easier and still good-looking game and continue on with my life, I have more important things to do than encounter someone who's willing to shit all over my feelings, and try to manipulate me with their deceit.
While a bunch of guys are getting 100 rejections a week, spending hundreds of dollars on dates and getting their feelings hurt only to get their dick wet once a month, I have an endless supply of pussy because my standards are - Don't be fat, Don't have a STD, & respect me. I know I sound like a manwhore, but I haven't actually fucked a lot of women, I just have a lot of options cause I don't concern myself with how shitty of a human being a woman is when it comes to who I bring in bed with me, not my problem.
Got a hb9 with a nice personality I'm meeting tomorrow, probably had 20 dicks in her but if she's putting out without much effort on my part I'm not gonna complain.
Good luck to some of you with an impossible mission of acquiring six figures while going to the gym, keeping all your hobbies AND having enough time to partner up a low-partner count woman.
chargerification 9y ago
"Probably had 20 dicks in her "
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omnicidial 9y ago
Lol look someone else isn't a unrealistic beta keyboard warrior talking about 40 year old virgins and being a millionaire before you go out to meet anyone.
RPmatrix 9y ago
A great article on 40yo virgins!
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/society/the-sex-therapists-of-silicon-valley/?PageSpeed=noscript
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This becomes my attitude with each passing day. Also I think lifestyle is an overlooked aspect of TRP. Those working 12-hour days who want to lift, train sports and get enough sleep are not gonna have enough time to properly get involved in something like, say philosophy or learning to code etc, especially if they have some semblance of a social life etc.
For me, career is least important at the moment. I have no interest in property, family, wage-slavery (beyond the critical) etc. Enjoy the decline indeed.
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Fuck yeah! I'm a scientist at the state and if I'm not training people I'm burning before and during work at my apartment nearbye. I'd rather focus on lifting, hobbies, and SPENDING TIME WITH MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY. Holy shit, TRP never talks about how energizing it is to love your family and friends. Buy your dad a 12 pack of beer and enjoy a sunday with your parents while you still can. I know my parents aren't going to be around forever and I love them. As an adult I appreciate them more too even if we have disagreements on virtually everything (They're liberals)
RPmatrix 9y ago
great idea, my mum died when I was 13 (she was 44, of a brain aneurysm) and my dad died in fron of me when I was 17
From time to time I wonder how different my life would've been had they lived for another 10-20yrs
Make the most of them matey If they're cool people
watersign 9y ago
its sad how people view women as moral creates when in fact they are not moral at all. Aleister Crowley viewed them as secondary citizens for a reason..
ThreeEyez 9y ago
Girls lose heir virginity when they are like 15 lol.. It's nothing to obsess or worry about. You aren't going to find a virgin in this day and age.. After you've been with enough women you realize that you don't really even want a virgin and don't even care.
Glenbert 9y ago
Cosign. I can remember it killing me, a couple years into college that me and my hs gf never had sex. But then, after I got my number up to about 12 I stopped caring about any of this.
javi404 9y ago
Exactly this. I want a girl who knows how to handle a cock not a newbie.
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At 18 she already had sex 100 time while you can't have 1 :-) You struggle to fill 1 hole while she struggle to find a 4e hole to fill.
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ThumpNuts 9y ago
Holy fuck... where you been, dude?!? I feel like there's maybe 5 of us in the whole sub. I'm having more and more of these "conversations" a day. I'm glad to see a fellow man in here.
RPmatrix 9y ago
hear hear Bro, great post and i agree completely, here, have one of these ♂ you clearly know what you're talking about and deserve it
cheers bro
RPM
BlaiseDB 9y ago
I dated Chinese girls in Canada and Chinese girls in China. The latter have n-counts of 3 or less; the former, who is to say? There is a definite pussy difference with the only variable being a culture of sluttiness.
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I get your point, but OP was warning as against unicorn virgin tendencies
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cock_pussy_up 9y ago
A lot of girls lose their virginity while they're still "children" and its illegal to have sex with them (at least for adults or even underage teens 1 or 2 years older). But when they're 40 year old single mothers, or childless with dried up ovaries after years of abortions, they expect to find traditional husbands.
TruckerJohn 9y ago
What's so great about virginity? It hurts them, they don't know what they're doing, they fall in love with you instantly. Seriously, somebody explain why virginity is such a requirement. I understand low n counts are desirable, but an n count of 0 doesn't imply purity for me as much as it does social maladjustment, fear/neuroses, or not being selected for any multitude of reasons.
BabaElvis 9y ago
If being your partner's first doesn't turn you on, what can I say
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TruckerJohn 9y ago
Two things that might impact the accuracy of that data are the fact that people lie about their n-counts, and that the people who tend to remain virgins until marriage are scared shitless of doing anything with themselves. Or they're overly religious. Furthermore, the root cause of virginity leading to somebody staying with you is probably a dogmatic/moral one, I maintain that monogamous LTRs sustained over a long period of time are probably impossible and unnatural and only something as awful as religion could convince modern people t engage in it, with stronger religion = stronger marriage. Either way, it sounds like a hassle and a bore.
BabaElvis 9y ago
How do people even believe these surveys? Which minor girl would confess that she isn't a virgin
carnage_panda 9y ago
Virginity as a concept to be lauded is something that needs to go by the way side.
There's nothing special about being a virgin.
oldredder 9y ago
in fact virgins are less skilled and less out-going so much less fun.
Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 9y ago
In the 90's, out of all the girls in my senior class, I knew of only 2 that were supposedly virgins.
Both were blonde, tall and very fuckable. One was extremely religious, sang lead in student choir and her father was head janitor.
The other was kind of a hippy, all about academics and sports - a real unicorn. Loved her Beta Orbiters, and never had less than 3 around her at all times.
Even many of the band-nerd girls and 4H chicks had hit at least 2 partners before the end of HS.
Just know that women will always, always lower their actual number, without fail. That is how you realize that AWALT. They are share certain behaviors.
This really doesn't bother me, personally. Any LTR I have been with, I look at the quantity and quality her past partners. She gets bonus points for independence and going long periods without being in a relationship.
PetrolFlavored 9y ago
You reward your LTR for the time she spent CC riding? C'mon man...
Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 9y ago
Well, that time involves her own self improvement, not necessarily gagging on cocks every morning.
Contrary to a lot of fellow RP's going through the Hate Stage, not every woman is a complete whore-bag and concerned with having all her holes plugged by random strangers bareback 24/7.
My sister did not date while she was building her career and getting her MBA at night. Now, I am not ignorant and know there might have been an occasional cock thrown in there, but she cares about her independence, education, money and status. She has no plans to bear children.
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constructiveasshole 9y ago
Bonus points for not being in a relationship for awhile? I get what you're saying, an independent girl is not in a race with her girlfriends to have a man. I personally would rather the girl have dated one guy for awhile than say she had a long time single with no explanation. I always assume she's lying and was riding the CC during that time.
Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth 9y ago
That is just as preferable. There are a lot of branch swingers out there though, if they are not in a relationship and looking to the next - they are trouble.
When I say single, I did not say without explanation. Was she starting a business? I dated a girl who was a regional sales rep for Pampered Chef, her career came first, she grew up poor and was very concerned with retiring in her 50's and seeing the world. She went long periods without dating or relationships due to her job.
I dated a Nurse who worked her ass off to get into Dialysis so she could get off of night shifts and have more time compete in marathons. She had a great relationship with her parents and family and I enjoyed our time together, but my military deployments and her training caused us to go separate ways.
I guess I spin LTR's instead of plates since marriage is not happening by my choice.
apackofwankers 9y ago
Yes - not being in a relationship for a while is bonus points. It means she is serious about her relationships, and not using men as fashion accessories.
Besides, a woman will not be honest about her partner count, but she will be honest about the longest time she was single.
constructiveasshole 9y ago
If she's serious about her relationships, she'll either know she needs to find someone while she's still worth something, or her standards are sky-high, maybe impossibly high.
A woman will not be honest about anything if it doesn't suit her current goal, and will justify her dishonesty any way she can.
apackofwankers 9y ago
Sure, women will lie, but while lying about partner count has obvious value, lying about time alone is not so obviously of value.
If you follow up with some questions, like "when was that?", and "why not?", you can usually uncover a lie.
MightyTaint 9y ago
Uhhh why? I recall teenagers and people in their young 20s being much less sheltered 10-20 years ago.
oldredder 9y ago
nope. Much less sheltered now, sexually.
omnicidial 9y ago
I find it very odd how much focus is placed in trp on controlling the number of sexual partners someone has. For someone who doesn't give a shit about it it looks beta as fuck the way you guys focus on it.
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We do give a shit about it, hence this post.
omnicidial 9y ago
You look beta as fuck for doing it, hence mine.
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Low n count is one of the most important points of this sub. Do you even know what beta means?
omnicidial 9y ago
Someone who lacks the confidence to do what they want, and instead does what they're told or think they should.
This looks beta as fuck.
Counts don't matter unless you're focused on the past and not what you want to do, all you're doing is looking like a child who didn't get the first turn to play with a toy or wasn't the first to a restaurant and is throwing a tantrum. I don't know how many women I slept with and I don't give a fuck, and I don't expect them to either. Maybe this comes with maturity too, but all you're doing by this is fucking up the chances that might have worked because you were concerned about not stacking up.
Makes you look beta as fuck to do this, everyone in this sub that does it needs to reexamine why. Makes sense you'd defer to the sub as responsible for this beta fucking statement tho.
oldredder 9y ago
It's not: beta are those who seek/need the low partner count.
Alpha needs the higher.
You don't know what beta and alpha mean.
Glenbert 9y ago
Yeah, your n count. Get up to 8 or 9 and you will stop thinking about her experience (power sluts excluded).
Creating new anxieties and obsessions for yourself is most assuredly not what this sub is about.
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Buster Hymen sure gets around, doesn't he?
robo23 9y ago
Why would you want to fuck a virgin anyway? They're horrible at sex
RPmatrix 9y ago
THIS x 1000! I am an old cunt compared to all the younger guys here as I'm I'm ~ 48, and I've lost count of the women I've fucked over the years, but by the time I was 28, it was over 60 back then!
The point I want to make is that "virgins" are girls who have never had sex -- so it's stands to reason that they won't be a very good fuck.
A novelty, sure, but "great sex?" Forget it! I've had countless plates that had N counts around 4-6 and even they needed a fair bit of 'teaching' -- ANY girl can be a starfish while you pump away and basically 'wank in her cunt' ...
And yeah, her tight little poosy will probably be dripping from youthful hormoanes and tight as it is, UNLESS she's had a good lover for a LTR of a year or so, odds on she's going to be an 'average at best' fuck! Like any 'sport', it takes practice to get good at it and LOTS of practice to become universally acclaimed by your ex's as 'A great fuck'
I've had too many chicks in my bed who had very little idea what to do, although this was back in the 80's and 90's and before porn was so easily accessible that every 14yo girl had probably watched quite a few hours of it, unlike back then when 90% of my gf's had never even seen a"stick book" BUT more than a few of them (as I would eventually discover, HAD been a 'sex worker' of some description (from strippers, ahh my first bj - where she gulped the lot, choking just a tad, but getting it all down! Good girl!
She was a super cute 21yo German girl who's folks had moved to Oz when she was 12 --- mmmm, I think I remember that better than my first fuck! And she continued to give me one every morning whilst we were together (which was <4mths)
The ONLY true virgin I've had, was 23 when I met her, I was 27 and I was blown away when she told me. This half chinese, half australian, that was Oz born and raised (we call them 'chozzy's)
This uber Babe had been abused as a kid of 5 bt repressed it until she was 18 when she 'lost it' and 'got' MPD aka "mutiple personality disorder" (it's a long and complex story too! She actually had 5 of them, and I gave her another, "M6" ,, who/which was a very together young lady by the time she turned 25, and her mother HATED ME for it!) so, aside from some making out and getting a headjob from one of her earlier bf's in her teens (she'd never given one) she'd never had sex
I thought she was so pretty and a very cool girl that I took my time teaching her and within ~3mths she was a fucking machine who loved being fucked in the arse and giving bj's and the taste of my cum (although TBH every girl that's sucked my cock has told me "you have really sweet cum" .. to me it tastes a little like flour and water, but not at all 'salty' or bitter, never has been, and apparently still is 'yummy!' lol!
No shit, I had a world famous 'super model's' first cousin as a gf (their mothers were sisters, who was a very smart but totally wild HB10 who sadly she died of an OD when she was 24) say to me once, in front of her BFF --- "I wish I could have a jar of your cum in the fridge, I'd put it on my cornflakes if I could!" O_o! Okaaay!
Riiiiight! we were together for about a year.
RIP babe, you were Big Fun!
But back to the "virgin", well .... after we'd been together for about 15mths I got locked up for 4mths, and while I was 'away' (even though she'd visit me as often as she was allowed) she fucked my lawyer a couple of times whilst I was inside!
I expect total honesty from my girls, and I'm glad sh didn't tell me whilst I was in gaol, but she told me the day I got out, which I respected, and we stayed together for about another year.
The point of this whole story is that, when I asked her "why?" she fucked him -- she very bashfully admitted that as I had been her ONLY fuck, she was curious as to "what the other guys might be like?" .... and if I was in her shoes, so would have I, so I said 'fair enough' and took it from there! We split up about a year later when her mum who 'emotionally blackmailed her' and gave her an 'ultimatum' ,, "either go with him and I'll disown you OR stay with me, your choice"
I wasn't prepared to be in the middle of that, and after a few days discussion, we split up ... I still miss her occaisionaly and wonder how she's going, but I have no way to find her so, c'est la vie.
BTW I know she was most disappointed by this dude who "talked the talk" BUT couldn't back it up in bed.
Orgasms do something to women's brains, and Many GREAT orgasms can have an even more profound effect of increasing a girls 'attraction' to you.
And if you like sex as much as I do and you're 'pretty good' at sex and great at getting girls off (several times in a sess) it 'changes them' and somehow 'connects them' to you, and it can be a Powerful connection. Some of the things my LTR's did for me a times was Far and Beyond the call of (her) duty, but wow when you get a devoted girl who really loves you ... for me, it's what I hope to develop with all the girls I have had LT's with, and I hope I find another as cool as the few I've mentioned here
Alas, in 2015 whilst the goals seem to 'have been moved' , IMO, the playing and rules of the game hasn't really changed that much
As much as I hate to admit it, AWALT just as AMALT in some ways
TL:DR Virgins are hard work and rarely good for more than a few P 'n D's and unless she's a natural, you'll soon be thinking, 'next please'
RPM
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robo23 9y ago
I'd rather have good sex. The "chase" is boring for the "nice" girls. Far too much work for a shitty reward - and the they get all clingy.
NevrEndr 9y ago
My first LTR relationship was with a 19 year old actual virgin. Bled and everything. She was a great girl, great white buffalo honestly but alas my 21 year old self didn't feel like doing a LDR in college at a party school. That girl would do do anything, lick my asshole if i told her to. LOL