I'm not tripping over this. But the whole system seems very child-like to me. "Here you go honey! You get a star for being a good boy and cleaning up your toys!" Damn that...

The thing is, what sort of relationship do these two have to even need this? Is he a lazy fuck? Does she not actually want sex (give blowjobs) with him at all?

Either way. Once shit like this is needed, the two people need to evaluate their situation. If he's a lazy fuck, then this would encourage a better relationship. But if she just isn't interested in him sexually, then this shit is over.

edit: At the end of the day, the husband is most likely broke as fuck and/or a beta. The fact that she is awarding him stars like he's in pre-k is enough to support this. And she is considering giving him money for a tattoo? Where the fuck is HIS money? She gives this dude an allowance????

This is so incredibly saddening.

below is something my friend sent me that i have saved in my notes for a few months. anyone in a LTR or marriage should read it.

Why your wife or girlfriend should suck your dick. This is long, there are no cliffs, and it is worth the read.

Why your wife/girlfriend needs to suck your dick...

This might be hard to believe; I know a lot of you have spent your life being told that men and women are equal. You've probably 'dated' a girl, casually, while still living in separate places and all that jazz. You might still believe in this equality bullshit. But let me tell you how things are going to go.

You are going to meet a girl and you are going to like her. You'll want to spend time with her, you'll want to bang her. At some point, while you are spending time with her and banging her (or possibly before) either she'll ask you 'Where this is going' or you'll ask her out because you want to 'stake your claim'. Either way, you'll be 'dating'.

After a while, but most often when your life's situation changes...after college for most, when you two are ready to settle down, but could be earlier; it'll just 'make sense' to move in together. Hell you might even jump straight to marriage.

When you are casually dating, you might not notice the inequalities...they are tiny. Sure, you pay for more than your fair share of stuff and you do more than your fair of stuff for her. She tends to have more problems than you and she never can really help with your problems anyway. When there are favors, more often than not, she'll be the one requesting them and you'll just happen to be the one better suited to do them.

But you aren't together all that often, you hardly notice/hardly mind.

But just wait. Once you are together...you'll see. For the vast majority of guys (STATISTICAL FACT - SCREW OFF FEMINAZIs) are going to make more money than their girl, they are going to spend more time at work than their girl, they are going to DO MORE for their girl, they are going to spend more on their girl.

In this day and age, you'll be lucky if your girl cooks dinner. Most girls seem to think equality means sharing the 'girl chores' and letting you do all the guy chores. When it's time to move into a new place, you'll see who is carrying all the shit (YOU ARE). When it comes to money, you'll see who is getting screwed (YOU ARE). Etc, etc, etc....

Women are attracted to a lot in a man, and a lot of that is long term relationship crap like how good of a Father you will be, how you are able to 'provide' for your family and that jazz.

Men, want a girl who is hot and will suck on our dicks. That's about it.

As you age, your girl won't be hot. If you get married at 25 and die at 75; for HALF of your marriage your girl is going to be a nasty ass 50+ year old lady.

You....you on the other hand will continue to make more money, spend more money, put in more time and effort than your single male equivalents to provide a better life for you wife and your children. Married men put in more hours than women or single men. You'll be expected to keep busting your ass from marriage until retirement to buy her shit.

My point is, guys bring a hell of a lot more to the table than women in a typical relationship. If your girl won't suck your dick now, when she's young, fit, and hot....you've really got to ask yourself what kind of long term investment she is? If she's not a long term thing; why not be having flings with slutty chicks who are freaks in bed? Dump her. If she is a long term thing....why? Why would you stay with a chick who is unwilling to let you enjoy one of the best things a guy can enjoy? She won't let you do it with any other chicks...right? But she won't do it to you? A BJ make take 30 minutes. 30 little minutes of mild unpleasantness (assuming she doesn't like it)....30 minutes of a slightly sore jaw....and that is too much for her to give you?

It says a whole lot about how she really feels.

And if she feels that way now, believe me, it won't change. But she, and all of society, is going to expect you to keep raising that bar. Go ask a married guy over 30 or a divorced guy over 30 just how much having a woman costs these days. Seriously. Every guy I've ever talked to will agree - they'd have a butt load more money and do a butt load less bullshit if not for their wives. Why give up all that for a chick who can't be bothered enough to suck your dick?

I've seen it happen, I've even had it happen. It's not that girls are evil, it's that they believe what society told them. Watch a chick flick...sit down and watch ANY CHICK FLICK and keep a pad of a paper and write down everything stupid the girl does and everything stupid the guy does. And then, notice how, at the end of the movie the guy runs back to the girl - almost always he gives up something he loves, to do so. Even though the girl did far more bullshit stuff. That's what girls 'think' is 'right'. They really think you should owe them, just for them letting you fuck them whenever they are in the mood.

Here's what you do. $30 dollars an hour is the equivalent of $60k a year. 60k a year for an unskilled job with no qualifications is UNHEARD OF. That is the ABSOLUTE MOST you should ever consider paying for a blow job. If it typically takes you 30 minutes to bust a load...that is $15 dollars a blow job. That's the FUCKING MAXIMUM....but get this, because I'm the nicest fucking guy on the planet (and you will be too) - double it. You are going to pay your girl an AMAZING 120k salary for dick sucking. That works out to $30 dollars for a 30 minutes blow job.

So get a notebook, or better yet; get Excel. And you write down EVERYTHING you spend on your chick and you write down EVERYTHING she spends on you. Even with modern chicks who 'pay' you'll find that you are paying 70% of the time, or more. My girl pays me $400 dollars a month in rent; but 'half' of the rent/utilities here would mean she should be paying me $700 dollars. That means, each month - not even looking at anything else, she owes me $300 dollars. That's 10 fucking blow jobs.

On top of that, each week we go out to dinner and movie; or maybe just rent some flicks and stay in. I pay 3/4ths of the time...and that shit adds up fast. Minimum of another $200 dollars a month.

On top of that, big item purchases always come from me - and it's not just me - it'll be you too, in a few years. New kitchen - 3k, hell I paid 14k when I bought the house. That's a shit-ton of blow jobs.

A CONSERVATIVE estimate is that my girl is averaging a net gain of about $800 dollars a month. And in the other non-monetary ways you can measure this shit, I still do more than her. When we moved, my ass carried the heavy shit; because I'm the guy. When we go shopping, I carry all her shit, again, because I'm the guy. When she's got a problem, I listen to her, because I'm the guy. When I have a problem, I deal with my own shit. I can't remember the last thing I asked her to do for me, but I can tell you 5 things she's asked me (that I've been more than happy to do) JUST since the 1st of the month.

When it comes to sex, she likes it just as much as I do. That's a wash. It's a tie. I don't get anything more than she does. What the hell can she possibly do to make up the imbalance?

SUCK SOME DICK

When you look at it logically, it's a complete and utter joke that this is even an issue for any guy in any typical guy/girl relationship. So, seriously, don't sit back and be like 'Oh, whatever, I can live the rest of my life without a blow job'. Go tell your girl straight up, how it is, and how it is going to be. My girl gets ALL THAT; at least $800 dollars a month in cash she shouldn't have, and all the other shit I do above and beyond the shit she does for me....and all I want in return is some dick sucking. That's it. In let's face it, in 10 years she'll be a middle aged soccer mom. In 20 years there is no way in hell she'll still be hot. I'm giving her the fucking deal of a lifetime here, and all she has to do is give me a weekly blow job and I'm happy.

Jesus fucking christ - that is an amazing deal for her. 30 minutes of sucking the dick of the man you supposedly love and want to marry; and in exchange you get all that? I'm sorry, but, I just don't care how small her mouth is or how bad it tastes. 2 hours a month for $800 dollars (+)...that is $400 dollars an hour. That works out to a salary of 800k a year. That is more money than she can make anywhere else. When you look at it like this, logically, with actual values....if your girl isn't sucking your dick and if half of what I said applies to you; you should be OUTRAGED.

Explain it to her, hell print this out and give it to her. I was in your shoes 6 months ago or so and I finally just said, 'No more of this shit. If you love me, if you love what I give you and what I do for you, if you really want to be with me for the rest of our lives....you can fucking deal with a sore mouth for 30 minutes every week. And if you get good at it, it'd only take 20'. My girl got pissed as fuck.

And then she sucked my dick.

Let the list collect dust. Find a younger, tighter girl to give you the blowjob for nothing other than tingles and keep her as a side piece while you figure out how to divorce with minimal financial pain.

I don't get this pansy-ass Skinnerbox thinking. Those guys are adults, not kids. They don't need goodies and gold starts for doing what normal people do.

I have sex because I want to have sex. I do chores because they need to get done. These two independent activities should not be brought together.

Thank God for outcome independence and dread game. Without these two tools id still be that same poor bastard.

Dude already fucked up by getting married. He's already lost at that point.

If it comes to a point in a relationship where that happens, that relationship isn't worth keeping.

Also OP, on a side note, blocking the user names doesn't make them anonymous since the title of the thread is still there and you can search for it.

If there's one thing I'm starting to realize is "blind love" is holding our species back.

A woman should want to give their man a BJ, not make him crawl for it.

Am I the only one who read this and thinks it might be a gay dude? "My SO", "Talked about blowing him with my sister-in-law" (chicks love talking about sex with gay dudes, even if it's about their brother). I could be wrong, I just got the gay guy vibe from how he/she answered questions in the comments.

Wives: making men into children since time immemorial.

And they wonder why there are strip clubs, prostitutes, and ocassions when we have to work late.

I would do the chores and then refuse the blowjob, I'm not a fucking vending machine where you put in sex for kindness.

I've been in relationships where this shit occurred - "do this for me and I'll give you a blowjob" after I had stopped freely offering assistance with her tasks, and made it clear I was unhappy about lack of sex. Also requested blow job IOU cards for my birthday in various beta deadbedroom LTRs. The women never actually came through, since they were totally not interested in my dick at that point.

Weak spineless men deserve to be obedient blue pills. Just because every man wants to get laid does not mean every man has a solid spine.

I hope he gets extra cookie points when he breaks his back fucking her once she gets fat.

reading that made me fucking sick to my stomach

lol, it's kind of perverted how many women are groomed to think of sex as a reward they give men.

My first run in with this was with a girl I was dating who one day got into a fit because I wouldn't pick her up, drive back to my place, have sex with her, drive her back home, then back to my place. I said, you have a car, it just makes sense for you to drive yourself. I didn't know much about TRP at that point, but it just made no sense for me to do this. I'm having sex. You're having sex. We both enjoying ourselves. Apparently she felt it was too bootycallish, and she would feel better if I picked her up. Well I didn't, but it resonated with me.

The girls sister comments a few months later. She's pretty religious and comments that women shouldn't have sex before marriage, or guys will just get sex elsewhere and they'll do whatever they want.

It blew my mind just how conscious women are of what they give, how much they take, how to control a guy...

Anyways, I became an expert jerker when I was younger. Sex is not something a women can bribe me with. This will all well before TRP and it is simply great to have that mindset. I'll just jerk if I have to. At best, sex is something we both enjoy or something I do to rock your world.

Yep that is pretty much prostitution

I met this chick in a bar in Montreal, who wanted $500 to go home with me.

I asked what I would get for my $500, and she said "the best blowjob ever".

I said, well, I spent 7 years doing yoga so I could give myself blowjobs, and no-one gives me a better blowjob than I do.

white knights man. fucking white knights

Sex should never be a bargaining chip, because now he can play into her game. If Sex is 4 stars, a man will rack up 20 stars with a vengeance. Now, by contract, she is in debt to him and must do what he wants, reneging on the deal should be met with divorce. Bitch won't honor her own deal.. next.

Now he controls her. Men can be beasts, and if you give us a focus we will generally excel, especially with pussy on the line.

All he has to do to get laid whenever he wants is some shitty chores, no problem. Cheaper and easier than wining and dining a woman who obviously is lazy as fuck.

Yikes. Sounds like she is really fun in bed.

This is one of the new pet projects of feminists. I remember seeing an article online about 'choreplay'' in that sex would be the reward for the man doing his chores. This seems to have appeared a couple of years ago and continues re-appearing. Choreplay? Are you kidding me? It's like an SNL skit.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/08/opinion/sunday/sheryl-sandberg-adam-grant-how-men-can-succeed-in-the-boardroom-and-the-bedroom.html?referrer=

Just more proof that sex is a woman's primary means of power. Of course they will try to milk as much as they can for it if you let them

"What would you do to keep your man, ladies, other than put the pussy on attack mode?" - Patrice O'Neal

A blow job is an intimate sexual act you do selflessly to please your husband

Every woman: "Oh darlin, that's what YOU think... Hee hee.."

Chores rhymes with whores. Sex in exchange for services rendered. Does he get a receipt for tax purposes?

Woman here. I HATE THESE KIND OF RELATIONSHIPS SO MUCH OH MY GOD. This shit gets me so fired up. How did this mentality that sex should ONLY be a reward/punishment tool even derive?!?! Sex should NEVER be used as such a tool! A blowjob if you get this many stars? That is such bullshit. If my boyfriend and I are in the mood for sex, I'm going to ride him to the end of time, whether the dishes are done or not.

A blow job is an intimate sexual act you do selflessly to please your husband

It's not selfless if she enjoys it

Man's commitment > woman's sex. Most men don't realize this.

Omg this subreddit is like a dream come true ####

1) She calls her husband her "SO" (significant other). She can't even bring herself to use the word "husband". (We know they're married, because she refers to her "sister-in-law".)

2) Money toward a tattoo? Oh gag. (Furthermore, a spouse can't "give" the other spouse money: moving money from one spousal pocket to another doesn't change the consolidated position of the couple. It just struck me as odd.)

3) "Myself and my sister-in-law". Why can't people use pronouns properly? Needs to brush up on her pronoun usage.

4)

And the fact that she actually discussed this with her husband's sister speaks volumes. It's so disrespectful and disgusting, 'Hey SIL how many times should your brother do the dishes before I blow him?'

I lol'd, funny because it's true. Totally gross.

So this is what we have to look forward to if we get married and/or have kids? Erm, pass the Vasalgel and hold the wedding cake por favor.

I wonder how many stars he gets for working all day and paying all the bills and buying all the food.

"Once he's used to it the treats will be taken away ;)"

Priceless

happily accepts chore list

reprints chore list on letterhead labeled "[Wifename]'s BUNNY RANCH - PRICE CHART"

laminates price chart and hangs it on the wall

If love to make one for her.

Standing around dough nothing all day is worth a hundred in her books I bet.

Reminds me of that Winston Churchill joke, where he asks a woman if she'd have sex with him for 5 million pounds, to which she replies that they'd need to discuss terms, but it sounded like she would. He then asks if she'd have sex for 5 pounds, to which she responds "Sir, what kind of woman do you take me for?!?!?!"

His comeback is: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price”

This is why we can't get married anymore. Even if you find a decent girl some feminist somewhere is gonna find her and try to ruin her with crazy ideas like this. Just go for a LTR when the time comes. If she ever tries dumb shit like this you just tell her to pack all the shit that she brought with her and GTFO.

Women will take whatever they can get from you, but will value only what you withhold from them and make scarce.

This is why women will drive betaish men like pack mules, but still be angry at them for not doing enough. They measure value by scarcity, not utility.

Do the chores and when she takes her clothes off, laugh in her face and tell her to put her clothes back on.

I think this may have been blown out of proportion. Though a stupid idea, she never said that she would hold out if the chores weren't complete. This chart may be supplement to a healthy sex life for all we know. I didn't take this shit seriously at all and everyone is getting bent out of shape over it. Posts like these are what makes people think this sub is sexist. We have to accept women for what they are, not hate them because of it.

She's trying to control his life with sex. If by some great mistake I would end up marrying someone that tries that on me, she would get just one warning before I'd leave her.

This is sick. Couldn't even read it all. And all the hamsters patting this woman on the back for this idea

It's Sunday morning whereI am. What's the bet this chick's poor, dumb, Dad-bodded beta provider is currently scrubbing the toilet so he can get a half-arsed blowjob before he heads into work for another week on Monday morning to pay for the house and SUV she demanded?

If she got a list of things for me to do, then I got a list of things for her to do. A blowjob isn't going to cut it. We're talking threesome at a minimum.

thats like a kid giving her parents a shopping list before she cleans her room

This is why I always ask the question: why should we make them better? They boil themselves down to nothing more than being a vagina.

He can stop doing chores! All he loses is blowjobs...

This is just a shit test. Let her write everything down that you are supposed to do to get a blowjob, and then rip it up in her face.

"He wants to do it in his own time (not when I say)...I end up doing it because I can't stand the mess"

Read: I am the architect of my own victimhood.

I sense a huge double standard within myself when I cringe at the above, yet laugh and applaud when I read a woman posting this comment. Oh well:

"I think my husband was doing this with running for me."

Fat chicks get rewarded with good sex if they work out; fit chicks keep getting rewarded. Hmmm...

Yeah, I'm a hypocrite.

This again? Either I'm seeing double, or this has been reposted four times.

This woman is describing a beta male. no arousal = chores

By the looks of it, he's a dog buying a whore.

He's the beta faggit that let her have this power in the first place.

Can you imagine the outrage if a husband had a 'list of chores' before he had sex with his wife or got her something?

As the major breadwinner, this would be met with a 'Star' rating for money for her for everything, even if it meant I had to take over the grocery shopping.

She's literally treating him like a dog. And worse, he's probably going to allow her to do it.

Man is thinking of making his wife a 'list of doors' she can promptly exit through for withholding sex.

I think the idea is great, it's about the way you make it work.

If they have a normal sex live and a score board with Stars on it for extra services i'm totally cool.

Ah, a barter-whore. Got it.

You seem pretty worked up about this. The worse news is that this isn't a new thing, "choreplay" has been around for a few years now. Just another way for BP men to be little bitches in front of their wives and girlfriends. Nothing new; move along.

RP ignored for a moment, a woman who makes a blowjob the "reward" for doing stuff is not a woman who WANTS to give one. Thus, the blowjob will be half-asses, probably a shitty handjob with a mouth covering the head, and she'll dodge the cum in a slow motion dodge like Neo dodging bullets. Where do I sign up? LOL.

What a shithole woman and what a foolish dude for staying with her.

Well you can get a bj for like $20 from a young woman in most cities. Who gives a shit.

In that entire thread, there were exactly 2 women that said "that's a horrible idea". Of course, both were buried under the weight of all the hamsters.

Remember OI and Dread Game are your weapons against a woman who tries to weaponize sex. Internalize those concepts so you don't end up like this beta chump

A sister and wife collaborating to make this poor guy's life hell. Real sad.

One can only wonder how good those blowjobs must really be if they have to be earned through chores.

The best blowjobs are the ones where the woman actually wants to give one.

Lol does she have to be the one providing the blowjob?

wow that's really really sad.

Back when I had exam and didn't want to study, my ex used to wrap her naked self in blankets and then say if I studied for 3 hours I could fuck her. That was fine. I think it depends on how the rest of the sex life is, whether or not this is allowed.